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On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote:On August 20 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
I don't think I have... please quote where you're getting that from.
The only thing I can think of is in my large post, where I said if DB is gonna be active I'm less inclined to lynch him. This means I'm less inclined to lynch DB right now, NOT that I'm "heavily advocating lynching a lurker". Please don't put words into my mouth. Here you go: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.
Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive? Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people? I asked for something of substance and this is what I got? Oh, you.  Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it. I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion. That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho. So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder. ##Vote: JeeJee
LOL.
Only problem with your "let's lynch semi-actives" logic is that semi-active players could potentially be important townies, too. It's the first day, it's to be expected. If you're loud and not mafia, you can easily become a target.
As for dropbear's proposal...it smells like something either scum would cook up, and/or something pertaining to someone who is really desperate to cover his/her ass. I don't wanna vote DB either, simply because we don't have enough information.
However, I do think that Sevyrn deserves some attention for his first post.
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oh, forgot to add:
## vote Sevyrn
defend yourself, scum.
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On August 20 2011 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh, forgot to add:
## vote Sevyrn
defend yourself, scum.
I agree I think Sevryn is looking pretty scummy but I am curious what you guys think about Foolishness this is his one post after the game started.
On August 20 2011 05:00 Foolishness wrote:
##Vote: DropBear for Mayor
he agree's with dropbears mayor plan which gives one person the power to decide between tow people and chooses someone who hasn't been acting super pro town. This scream scummy to me, inactive and then comes in with a single line to vote on a not very town plan imo.
so until he defends himself some more i'm goign to vote sevryn but foolishness needs to post something more or I am going to start pushing for his lynch.
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On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched."
hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story...
I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation:
He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement)
Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately...
However that doesn't mean he's town.
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On August 20 2011 08:03 Mig wrote:
Sevryn is by far the scummiest. His vote on DB had a ridiculously scummy reason behind it. After he got called out on it he back peddles and claims it was just a pressure vote. And he says he didn't see anything scummy about DB and his only reason for pressure voting was again because of something palmar did it swedish mafia. And then he says he took the vote off not really because he thought db was innocent but he didn't want to get lynched for bandwagoning lol. Sevryn is just lol scum.
okay, I thought about that... I somehow missed, that he never thought that DB was scummy... that adds a new perspective to the story... I mean I suspected DB at the point of time I voted him and I still do... But why on earth should I pressurevote an in my eyes innocent player... That doesn't make any sense. Even if I put more pressure on him than my Bachelorthesis I am currently doing puts on me, I won't get any information, because he has none.
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On August 20 2011 08:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
oh, forgot to add:
## vote Sevyrn
defend yourself, scum.
who cares what his defense is, he's scum remember?
On August 20 2011 06:52 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 04:05 Palmar wrote:On August 20 2011 03:53 BrownBear wrote:
I don't think I have... please quote where you're getting that from.
The only thing I can think of is in my large post, where I said if DB is gonna be active I'm less inclined to lynch him. This means I'm less inclined to lynch DB right now, NOT that I'm "heavily advocating lynching a lurker". Please don't put words into my mouth. Here you go: On August 20 2011 03:35 BrownBear wrote:
If DropBear's gonna be active and making plans, I'm inclined to NOT lynch him day 1, because it means one less inactive jackass dragging us down. Plus, the more active he is, the sooner he'll slip up if he actually is scum. Of course, lynching is preferable to no-lynching in 99.99% of cases, so I'll vote for him in the end if nobody else comes forth.
Well, I read that as any scummy asshole with a plan is going to get a free bye on day 1, because you want to lynch someone inactive? Or does, the free pass on making plans and blanket statements to avoid the lynch only extend to a specific pool of people? I asked for something of substance and this is what I got? Oh, you. Ok, something you've pulled out of my reasoning that really just wasn't there. You're saying I want to lynch someone inactive. Not necessarily true. Implied, maybe, but NOT what I said. Again, you really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. What I said there, and what anyone who took 5 seconds to think rationally got out of that sentence before you started spewing shit all over it, is that regardless of what I think about DropBear's alignment (and for the record, I think he's more green than not. Scummy, possibly, but not confirmed scum), I want to see people post more. We're on only 17 pages halfway through the first day, which is kind of sad. I want more content. DropBear's providing it. I'm for lynching any of the semi-actives - that is, the people who are just contributing one liners and sheeping along to do the bare minimum to fly under the radar. Inactives = people who haven't noticed the game's started yet, people in different time zones who are sleeping, or people who don't care about the game. No reason wasting a vote on them - modkills will get them soon enough. The real area where mafia are probably lurking are the semi-actives - the guys who have posted a few times to be able to say "hey, I was here", but haven't contributed anything of substance or worth to the discussion. That doesn't include DropBear right now. At the very least, he's provoking discussion both about his silly fake-mayor plan, and about whether or not he's red. He's defending himself and providing some alternate ideas. (Although, DropBear, "I will do so if it becomes necessary"? Really? That's not doing you any favors, bro). Right now, my list of semi-actives include: wherebugsgo, hiro protagonist, Foolishness, and JeeJee (when you read his posts, they don't contribute nearly as much as they do ask questions that go unanswered). I'm open to adding more to that list tho. So let's start talking about those guys! JeeJee is the most suspicious to me right now: He's posted the most, but I see not all that much in his posts... it looks to me as though he's trying to post while not adding anything of value to town discussion. Just a gut feeling, but I still feel a lot better about lynching him than I do DropBear. Anyway, long story short: You read things out of my post that didn't exist, those things are the entire basis of your case against me, your case against me sucks, gg, try harder. ##Vote: JeeJee
lol@this post. not only is it filled with stuff that's flat-out wrong, but in the end your case on me is based on a hunch? amusing. i also love how you shoved the 'long story short' part in the accusation of me -- talk about misleading.
luckily for you, spewing nonsense isn't as scummy as sevryn's vote and post-vote reaction. although it's pretty up there.
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It's cute that you tell everyone I'm wrong without explaining exactly why I'm wrong.
lern2backupyouraccusations
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
I say we don't kill Palmar today. His goofy attitude can easily be explained that he's town. He just claimed mafia in Personality (let's say he's not lying), which means he just played two games as mafia recently: Personality and PTP2. Both games he attempted to be normal and blend in; there wasn't any of this odd posting. I don't think he would radically change his style like this if he was mafia again.
Going to start the count because I know it's coming:
# people who accuse me of defending my scumbuddy: 0
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On August 20 2011 08:41 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 08:01 Curu wrote:
Wanna see worse scum logic? Town voting someone to sheep, then unvoting when called out for it cause he "doesn't want to get lynched." hmm, sevryns behavior had something innocent in my eyes i don't know... Somehow I tend to buy that story... I mean the whole thing started like that: Basic situation: He knew Palmar from former games; and we all know that palmar played some good games for town recently - Palmar accuses DB; I jump on that wagon but declare it as a pressurevote. Varp shows up, says pressurevotes only work if you don't say it's a pressurevote (i 75% agree with that statement) Now the poor sevryn sees all this: he also wants to contribute something by pressurevoting, so he fakes his reason and follows varps advice and gets caught immediately... However that doesn't mean he's town.
dafuq?
are you defending him cause you're scum too?
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On August 20 2011 03:44 DropBear wrote:
I am trying to get things moving, get discussion started. The posts I quoted here are prime example s of why this needs to be done, noone is doing ANYTHING. In no way am I suggesting that they are Mafia, nor was it implied when I quoted them to you.
What do you mean by honesty? I didn't say anything that could potentially have been a lie? I asked questions and made suggestions, they aren't truthful or not. This makes no sense???
I don't understand your problem with me Palmar. If you are so quick to make up your mind off one post, an introduction to the game, then I sure as hell hope GMarshal didn't give you a gun.
The bolded is probably the scummiest thing about DB at the moment. You say that as if Palmar is confirmed town "I hope you didn't land vigi..."
Any explanation for this?
People keep complaining that the thread is disorganized and nothing proper is getting done. Who started all that? Palmar. Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere.
In other words, that stops right fucking now.
WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK
No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments.
My vote goes on the player who led town right into this shitstorm.
##Vote: Palmar
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k guys i see a problem here: Everybody defending anybody is instantly scum, because the guy you're accusing is obviously scum, and anybody who doesn't agree with you is scum.
This is a bad assumption. Townies can be wrong, townies can disagree. The key is to see how the guy is defending him. Is he being wishy washy? is his post overly safe? Are there obvious logical fallacies?
with that said, supersoft's summary post accomplishes nothing and is pretty damn wishy washy. "I see innocence... however that doesn't mean he's town"
does not compute.
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On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:
WE NEED TO BE ORGANIZED FOR THIS GAME TO WORK
No lynches are very possible if we keep dicking around the way we have been, and no-lynches gain mafia a free night kill. So here's the deal. If you're going to vote someone, you explain why. Clearly. If you're going to accuse someone of being scum, you explain why you think they are mafia. Clearly. Any other behavior is anti-town and leads to spam and confusion. Let's cut out the spam, cut out the votes without explanation, cut out the troll posts, and cut out the one-liner arguments.
Give this man a round of applause. I fully agree with and echo this statement.
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Give this man a vote to put on Sevyrn.
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On August 20 2011 10:15 Varpulis wrote:
k guys i see a problem here: Everybody defending anybody is instantly scum, because the guy you're accusing is obviously scum, and anybody who doesn't agree with you is scum.
This is a bad assumption. Townies can be wrong, townies can disagree. The key is to see how the guy is defending him. Is he being wishy washy? is his post overly safe? Are there obvious logical fallacies?
with that said, supersoft's summary post accomplishes nothing and is pretty damn wishy washy. "I see innocence... however that doesn't mean he's town"
does not compute.
filter his posts and you'll see what I mean.
He is being wishy washy AND overly safe while not necessarily actually making any sense.
However, Sevryn's the concern right now (not palmar). His first post itself was one of the most suspicious things we've seen yet in this thread.
I'd also suggest you guys head over to the voting thread right now and check out people's votes, as that's pretty interesting too. Sevryn votes DB and unvotes as soon as people start sniffing scum, while supersoft initially "pressurevoted" DB while defending himself from bandwagon accusations:
On August 19 2011 18:14 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 18:00 Palmar wrote:
how about putting your vote on dropbear?
##Vote DropBear i just filtered him, and he just posted one policypost and no thoughts about other people. Why not pressuring him a bit. Can't be bad. ##Vote DropBearand before anyone jumps on me like: "wtf he bandwagoned blablabla" - like Curu did in AA; I am NOT one of the players, that bandwagons on anyone random with a bad explanation only to show up the next day like "hey guise sorry what happened, oh you lynched scum - yea well I had stuff to do." I will be there at the end of the day and put my vote on scum.
And of course changed his vote to xtfftc almost immediately after people switched off DB.
Finally, organization is good. Right now we have a good lead on Sevryn, why don't we start with that?
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On August 20 2011 10:21 Curu wrote:
Give this man a vote to put on Sevyrn.
Here's a one liner post that doesn't achieve anything. Yes, we're already clear that you think sevryn is scummy, and that you want other people to vote on him. Posts like this are not going to convince me to change my vote though. Unless you're posting analysis and evidence, you don't need to take up the time and thread space to put this up.
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Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.
Or they could just read my post. But nevermind that YOURE OBV MAFIA
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##vote palmar
filter his posts. Now tell me if a single one is productive and helpful. He blindly tunnels DropBear based on meta (i think, it's such a terrible accusation though that it's not worth trying to figure out), then calls everybody who disagrees with him scum.
Chaos13 makes a very good point:On August 20 2011 10:14 chaos13 wrote:
Palmar as town is The Brother Leader and Guide of Town. I see absolutely none of that here. So far all he has done is cause mayhem and spam and disorganization and a generally very unhelpful pro-mafia atmosphere.
if i recall correctly, town won that game, largely due to the organization that palmar provided.
Why change a good strategy? Because his goals are different in this game.
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On August 20 2011 11:11 Palmar wrote:
Anyone who thinks I'm promoting pro-mafia atmosphere needs to have his head checked. I took this thread and turned it from discussing vague plans and policies to a full-out scumhunting festival.
by calling dropbear scum 20 times in a row?
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Hi guys, sorry, I've been busy today.
Personally, I think as of now Sevryn is our best target. I mean just look at this!
On August 19 2011 23:39 Sevryn wrote:
Right now DB is looking the scummiest imo and after what palmar did in Swedish house mafia I am inclined to trust him. That said if there is a good case against anyone else i would be willing to give DropBear another lookskie
## vote DropBear
Now in my (very small) experience in this game, there is usually someone in each game who makes a post that appears very scummy, to the point you would think that scum wouldn't be dumb enough to post that. They always end up being scum. This is exactly the type of post, it's so obviously an attempt to blend in. He assumed a bandwagon would start, and wanted to get in early to avoid being called a band-wagoner. He later tries to completely backpedal after being asked about it by saying stuff like this
Alright since I don't see anything scummy about dropbear at this point I'm going to take my pressure vote off of him. In swedish palmer asked me to put a pressure vote on someone who turned out to be scum. Because pressure votes don't work near as well if you say its a pressure vote I made up a bullshit reason to vote in that gmae like I did this game.
and this
That was my whole point I didn't say it was a pressure vote untill after he responded and I took my vote off because palmar has a shitty case and I didn't want people to lynch me because they thought I was just bandwagoning
He just tries to bandwagon in his first post, and spends the rest of his posts trying to retract that and explain why he did that. I think that he is by far the scummiest.
##vote Sevryn
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