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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
What I really don't understand is that, when Nada dominates the progaming scene - shown through his consecutive MSL wins (like Savior) and the inaugural golden mouse achievement in OSL (which is more than what Savior achieved so far) - people still cheered him on. However, when Savior dominates, people hate him. Am I missing something? | ||
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DeadVessel
United States6269 Posts
On February 24 2007 21:14 Locke. wrote: + Show Spoiler + HOW THE FUCK DID HE WIN 5TH GAME VS IRIS???? that's my thoughts about him I remember seeing a replay of him on LT a long time ago.. Every little thing he did had meaning and was meant to confuse and demoralize his opponent. It was just beautiful. I prefer his intelligent style much more than nadas spam and attack style even though I usually side with the terrans being one myself. I think he is great for SC cause he really makes you see the psychology in sc instead of just the plain 13 hours perfect macro micro which to me can be really boring to watch.. I hope he apologise for the Heil-Hitler poses in his next interviews. Being all his life infront of PC playing SC I guess he doesn't fully understand how offensive and out of place that is especially when he is a teenager's idol and every little thing he does has huge impact on the crowd.. By the way Locke. this comment right here makes you look very stupid. NaDa is art player and while being very fast doesn't spam. Almost every action he does is checking on something or macroing or microing. NaDa isn't like the noobies that get 300 apm just to get it. It has a purpose which you evidently don't realize. | ||
mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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eugene17
Singapore174 Posts
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Tarte
Canada933 Posts
I just know that if SavioR's where he is at the moment, it's for a reason. He deserve it. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
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Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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Tarte
Canada933 Posts
On February 24 2007 21:40 EAGER-beaver wrote: Why do people say savior is boring?!?! I can't wait to see his games because of the insane strategies that he seems to pull off FLAWLESSLY. Game 3 and 4 of the osl finals nearly brought tears to my eyes with the pure art gosuness of his plays. When was the last time we've seen a zerg user use queens, or defilers like savior? Never! I totally agree. | ||
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XCetron
5226 Posts
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decafchicken
United States20074 Posts
But i agree with beaver, after watching the OSL finals (didnt watch many of his games before) i absolutely love/enjoy watching his art usage of lurkers and defilers and overall game control. | ||
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ZaplinG
United States3818 Posts
that infested cc was art in game 3 (i believe?) and when he managed to sneak his entire army around the map into nada's main in game four... it was beautiful | ||
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pheer
5391 Posts
On February 24 2007 22:00 XCetron wrote: The only match of sAviOr that is not worth watching is the 5th game of sAviOr vs NaDa OSL final last night. Agreed 100%  | ||
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Yogurt
United States4258 Posts
On February 24 2007 22:27 ZaplinG wrote: + Show Spoiler + that infested cc was art in game 3 (i believe?) and when he managed to sneak his entire army around the map into nada's main in game four... it was beautiful + Show Spoiler + it was game 4 i'm pretty sure, but then again you might be right i was laughing too hard. i was thinking when he first went in and brought it down to half how sexy it would be if he goes and infests it he's just pure sex only way to put it | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
Where is our Protoss god, Garimto?  | ||
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QuietIdiot
7004 Posts
His ZvP is just extremely effective, but fucking boring and he plays it nearly all the same each game When has there ever been a dominant Zerg? Sure, you could say July, but it was nowhere near the way savior is now. I was getting sick of the gods being handed from terran to terran each era. | ||
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joeki
Sweden292 Posts
On February 24 2007 22:55 QuietIdiot wrote: His ZvT/ZvZ is godly, and incredibly entertaining His ZvP is just extremely effective, but fucking boring and he plays it nearly all the same each game When has there ever been a dominant Zerg? Sure, you could say July, but it was nowhere near the way savior is now. I was getting sick of the gods being handed from terran to terran each era. Agree 100%. We already have too many terran icons... Finally a Zerg that owns just about everyone... For us who was sick and tired of all the Terran dominance the last years this is happy times. Now we just need some less terran favored maps that works in ZvP too. I so hope we get such a map next season. | ||
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rgfdxm
United States239 Posts
What I think more people should really realize is that Savior himself is a 20 year old kid. He wasn't granted some great gift from the heavens to be able to play BW. He worked damn hard to get where he is, and every aspect of his skills and strengths now was forged over years of practice and determination, just like a Ra or a Boxer or a July. We all acknowledge what a daunting - no, terrifying experience it must be to get in front of a crowd of hundreds or thousands and even more on television, including family and friends, and be expected to play a lightning fast game of skill and concentration against what you know will be a world-class opponent. We acknowledge from the example of players like Midas or Canata that practice, skill, and dedication alone won't win you titles. Mental strength to me is the hallmark of Savior's style, and I see many people resent him for it when to me it is a thing to be respected, whether or not I like him, whether or not I like his games. When Savior got on that stage opposite Nada a day ago, on maps known not to favor his race, playing against the most accomplished player in history, I don't understand how you could not give Savior some respect for his composure and beautifully consistent play. Savior's style is to make no mistakes, play for every small advantage he can get and let the mistakes of his opponent accumulate to spell their doom. I can understand that some people will find that more boring than, say, July's balls-to-the-wall aggressiveness. But that is why July is the God of War, and Savior the Maestro. Feel free to appreciate tactics over strategy or vice versa, but one is not more "inhuman." I'm not especially a fan of Savior. I'm a very optimistic kind of person, and I enjoy seeing all players succeed. I would have been happy with any result of the semifinal matches. I can understand that other people would rather see some players win than others, but the outright dismissal of Savior as something other than human frustrates me. Those of you who demonize him, remember that he's put in the time, he developed his signature builds himself, he is elevating the play of his race to new heights. Imagine how it would be for you in Savior's position. Could you be as cool, as composed, as consistent as he is? Savior, name change or no, is still the same person, the same human, he was years ago as IPXZerg. His dominance is not a fact of life, it's a result of his growth as a player in every way. There's no zerg master waiting for him back at CJ, ready to give him the new builds that win on maps like RT and Longinus 2 against players like Hwasin, Midas, Nada, no cheat sheet that gives him the answers. He's a man with a target on his back, doing his best and making it up as he goes along. If Savior's defiler use is godly, it isn't because God hates Nada, it's because Savior more than anyone around him realized the power of defilers and practiced his art to perfection. If you care to deride him for "drone-whoring," then I'll challenge you to a game of BW PvZ, but you're not allowed to make drones. He was given the same tools as every other zerg in BW history, and I can't disdain him for seeing their potential in ways no one else has. Other players have done that before, and most of them are revered and respected. Those who hated Boxer and his dropships, Nada and his multitasking, oov and his macro are nowadays mostly gone. Those players contributed greatly to the game of BW and have masses of fans to show for it. Any of you who can still honestly not respect them now, feel free to disrespect Savior and pray for him to lose all his games and go back to being a nobody as IPXZerg. Then I'll know who not to pay attention to. | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
On February 24 2007 21:25 DeadVessel wrote: By the way Locke. this comment right here makes you look very stupid. NaDa is art player and while being very fast doesn't spam. Almost every action he does is checking on something or macroing or microing. NaDa isn't like the noobies that get 300 apm just to get it. It has a purpose which you evidently don't realize. Using the words "spam and attack" was inaccurate.. this IS nada we're talking about of course he is art player and has amazing strategy abillities. he is also the most accomplished SC player ever... But I was comparing him to Savior not to "a noobie that gets 300 apm just to get it". And doing that I still think that Savior brought psychological warfare in BW to another level. Far above nada, whose main charectaristic is perfection of mechanics. On a side note, why be so bad mannered and why use "by the way" if that's the only thing you're saying? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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