EPTand lol@ day9 haahah but the thing is he is acting like we brethren don't use mouses(mice?) i use a mouse and my apm isn't 50 haha
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thechasemenna
United States28 Posts
and lol@ day9 haahah but the thing is he is acting like we brethren don't use mouses(mice?) i use a mouse and my apm isn't 50 haha | ||
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LJ
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thechasemenna
United States28 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote: I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys. dude i know well you can reroute your keyboard in system prefs so that f1f2f3f4 etc act as normal but even then i don't use it all i use is the idle builder which i made "~" key | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Marou
Germany1371 Posts
The problem is, with my config i would expect to be able to stream but i just can't, maybe it's a RAM issue (i only have 4gb) but when i tried streaming the CPU was just going to crazy and i don't think i can do it. Anyways, OT, using osx as pro would be a hudge mistake, every.single. tournament uses PC and you should always try to have your training environment as close as the tournament setting (and vice versa). Pro-gamers are not designers, they are not programmers(at least not for their job since many of them study CS), they are just huge gamers and having Windows is the right fit for them. + Show Spoiler + On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote: Mac is too fucking expensive. Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). Hey men you're full of shit. I'm going to be a little bit of the apple fanboy here but i need to correct you. I've been using compters since i'm 8 years old, i work as a programmer and i have been studying CS when i was in college. Switching to OSX is the seldom best decision i have made. My life is better. My work is better. Yes it is Overpriced, but i need a portable computer that runs an unix based system smoothly (and i don't want to go through the fucking hassle that installing linux is on some laptop) and most of all, i need RELIABLE hardware. PCs are just hit and miss, and they very often miss (i had several of them). My macbooks last me for 5 years and sometimes more. You need a desktop computer, go for a PC, you should. But i will never buy a PC laptop again, they are just reliable, my laptop is my working tool, and Apple is the only that has been able to fulfill my needs. Please stop staying shit like "anybody who knows about computer would never buy a macbook". Knowing about computer is not about being a gamer, some people actually use they laptop for work, and when it's about that, nothing is a good as a macbookpro | ||
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CreatureSC2
United States156 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote: Mac is too fucking expensive. Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). Did you not read the disclaimer? Holy shit wall of bull shit text. | ||
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othereidolon
United States4 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote: I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys. Keyboard settings --> Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys ? | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
Hahahahaha...aaaah. I can't imagine there would be any problems with it though. You don't exactly need a super high end machine to play SC2 as most pros will downgrade the graphics anyhow. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote: Mac is too fucking expensive. Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). I know plenty about computers, and the next computer I buy to use personally (gaming etc.) will be a Mac. They're not just overpriced, in a fancy case, with the Apple logo. Go install the OS on a PC, and test drive Apple's hardware, then tell everyone what you think. On August 01 2012 02:16 mostevil wrote: Just wondering if anyone can comfirm if that is that actually true (ie measurably faster frame rates in the same situation) or if its the usual marketing usage of better in relation to Apple's products? It's entirely possible as sc2's design has some unexpected weirdnesses with different configs and since OSX the kernals not Apples own work so it's not super bad anymore. Might have imagined this but wasn't scarlet playing off a mactop for a while? Can't confirm it per say, but I do remember noticing a higher frame rate on the Mac side rather than the Windows. I've since gotten rid of my Bootcamp partition so I'm not able to test it now. | ||
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thechasemenna
United States28 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote: Mac is too fucking expensive. Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). Necessary? | ||
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Xitac
Germany25 Posts
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Le BucheRON
Canada619 Posts
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ETisME
12266 Posts
I recall them having terrible cooling performance and always thought that was the biggest issue limiting mac's gaming performance | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:38 ETisME wrote: doesn't running bootcamp and sc2 really stresses the mac? I recall them having terrible cooling performance and always thought that was the biggest issue limiting mac's gaming performance Bootcamp and gaming never stressed my mac to the point of having cooling issues, but games just never ran as good on the Windows side as they did on the Mac. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:37 Le BucheRON wrote: The whole mac and PC thing, like most debates, shows that people who are the most intense or polarized on either side of an issue know the least about said issue. They both have their place, professional gaming is not Mac's role. I agree that professional gaming is not a Mac's role necessarily, but with the specs on current iMacs, Macbook Pros and even the Power Macs, you can use them to game. At least for SC2, I don't see HoTS becoming too intense for any of them to run it either. On August 01 2012 02:37 Xitac wrote: dont blame him for saying the truth Except its not the truth, its biased dribble. | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
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ThirdDegree
United States329 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:21 TheCreature wrote: I'm a mid master protoss and I've always used a mac. Never owned a PC. However I don't use the apple keyboard/mouse, I got the razer blackwidow mac edition and a razer deathadder. The only issue I have with using a mac is that I can't figure out how to get the F1, F2 keys etc. to work as location hotkeys. I had that issue too. I think it's in the options menu somewhere. I'll poke around when I get home and see if I can figure out how I fixed it. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:44 ThirdDegree wrote: I had that issue too. I think it's in the options menu somewhere. I'll poke around when I get home and see if I can figure out how I fixed it. If you get it, please let me know, I've been frustrated with that was well. | ||
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NeonFox
2373 Posts
On August 01 2012 02:26 Belial88 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Mac is too fucking expensive. Mac, of course, runs very good, but anything that expensive would run good. The issue is why buy a Mac, when you could buy a pc, or hell, make your own computer (which is what someone like a korean team or a progamer is going to do, since it's much easier, cheaper, and much better quality) for less than half the price. Mac is just a huge fucking rip off, and if you go into the tech support section of TL, they will tell you that. It's not that Mac's are bad, they run great, it's that they charge you about 3-10x the cost of what it would cost to have the same hardware for a PC/homebuilt. Hell, I made a $350 PC after 2 weeks of research back when I didn't know what the difference between a GPU and a CPU was (or what a GPU even was for that matter), and a comparable Mac Desktop would cost $2,700. It's just ridiculous. The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No. Most people will build their own computer if they spend enough time on a computer, and a pro gamer is GOING to know at least a little bit about computers. You can bet that every pro gamer out there, from the koreans to Destiny, know what the newest GPU is, how the AMD bulldozers compare to Sandy Bridge, et cetera. Like truck drivers. If you spend all your time and work on a piece of equipment, you are GOING to know the ins and outs of it, and you are going to maintain it yourself. It doesnt even require any knowledge to make a computer or build one - you just simply have to realize that hey, building a PC is infinitely better than buying one, which is infinitely better than buying a Mac. Only excuse to buy a Mac is for a very, very specific professional capacity (graphics or something, but ubuntu would probably be better most of the time anyways) or if you were just a fucking millionaire and the 5 minutes it took to be told "hey bro, you should get someone to custom build your PC" would be a waste and they were too computer illiterate to learn how to use a PC or something. But don't get me wrong. Mac's a great, anything with that kind of hardware is. It's just overpriced, put in a fancy case, sold with the Apple logo, and shipped with software that is very user friendly (that could also be installed on any PC, for that matter). While I agree that Macs are a ripoff (Macbook Pro profit margins are estimated at 28%, which is ridiculous for a laptop) you are wrong on a number of points. I study in IT but also take dev classes and have friends who made this their primary field. A macbook is sadly the only place you will be able to run all 3 oses on since Apple locks OSX down, so this coupled with the fact that it's build on a Unix base makes it better for coding. Also Macs for graphic designing is more a habit then necessity nowadays, you can find the equivalent software on both platforms. Edit : For comparison, an average profit margin for a Windows laptop is 5%, so seven times less than a Macbook Pro. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
I know plenty about computers, and the next computer I buy to use personally (gaming etc.) will be a Mac. They're not just overpriced, in a fancy case, with the Apple logo. Go install the OS on a PC, and test drive Apple's hardware, then tell everyone what you think. I already said the OS is nice, and hardware is good. And the hardware is not "Apples hardware", that's a ridiculous concept, just as much as saying "Dell's hardware" or "Belial's Hardware". It's Intels, AMD, Radeon, NVidia, Kingston, hardware. Hell, it's not even MSi or PNY hardware, it's Tykos and Nvidia, etc. All Apple does, is buy parts from people like AMD and Intel and Nvidia, and slap them together... in a fancy case, with Apple software. It's not Apple hardware anymore than the custom PC I built is "Belial88 hardware". The difference is that Apple charges $2700 for a desktop that is comparable to a $300 custom built. I mean, I like my quadcore with no level 3 cache, but I think most computer enthusiasists would actually say that's shit quality (if you compare it to, say, an i5 or i7). There's a reason all the pros play on PC. They LIVE off their computer, it's their job, and their life. They are going to know a lot about computers. Anyone who knows a lot about computers, is not going to buy a Mac, and furthermore, won't buy a PC - they will use a custom built. You see all the stuff about sponsors. What do you think they will want to use, a Mac? A Dell? Or a custom built with top of the line technology like i7, kingston high end RAM, et cetera. That would be like racing cars in a toyota prius - yea, it's a great car, but it's a little overpriced compared to, say, a high end mazda or civic, and even then, that's no where near a custom built race car put together like the formula cars or fancy cars you see on the street that are all souped up. | ||
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