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zerK
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada176 Posts
July 31 2012 19:00 GMT
#61
mac is just not for gaming dude ;s
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thechasemenna
Profile Joined June 2012
United States28 Posts
July 31 2012 19:03 GMT
#62
Okay this is getting out of hand... may i remind


Disclaimer: This thread isn't intended to shatter anybody's preferences as it is not necessary or wanted, if you simply cannot reply without trolling on either macs or PC then please do not post at all.
Also, this thread shouldn't bring up anything about Macs or PCs outside of gaming or even better, Starcraft itself.
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thechasemenna
Profile Joined June 2012
United States28 Posts
July 31 2012 19:03 GMT
#63
Thanks to those who actually followed the disclaimer your posts were very helpful
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IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
July 31 2012 19:07 GMT
#64
No, pros don't play on macs and probably never will. I grew up on a mac, and in fact play SC2 on a mac and it runs beautifully smooth. My father and brother are graphic designers so this explains why we use macs. Aside from the basic answer, here's my personal view on the whole Mac/PC debate. If you are a hardcore gamer and you love high-end graphics and buying every "great" game out there, then a PC is for you. If you really do not care about high end graphics, or having dozens of games, and you would prefer to just play that one favorite game you grew up with, then a mac doesn't kill you. I just don't understand why the hardcore pc gamers have to be such meanies to everyone that doesn't care about high-end gaming as much as them.
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SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
July 31 2012 19:08 GMT
#65
On August 01 2012 03:35 renaissanceMAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 03:18 DashedHopes wrote:
I used a mac till i got to about mid masters. I was low masters and since the lag on this old peice of shit wouldn't allow me play late game battles past 150 supply so it was time for an upgrade. I hated macs so i got a pc and now i am high masters


So really what you're saying is you upgraded to a newer computer in order to play late game battles...

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On August 01 2012 02:53 Belial88 wrote:
But it is the truth... When none of the pro gamers use Mac, there's a reason. It's not just some coincidence. Mac doesn't sponsor shit. Dell is the only PC company that comes close to, with Alienware, but really, all the sponsors are computer components.

If you want the fastest computer possible, and the best computer possible, or even the best valued computer possible, you are going to build a custom PC. I'm not saying Windows is the answer, you can use ubuntu or a virtual machine, that's fine, whatever, but the answer is definitely not a Mac. It's just good hardware that's completely overpriced. It isn't enough performance for the pros, and it's too expensive to justify. Why buy a $3000 mac desktop when you can literally get an i7 with a top of the line GPU for the same price?

Laptops, are a totally different animal, so I am not talking about laptops, by the way.


If it's a question of sponsorship, I feel like you're going off in a different direction. And we're talking about computers, so laptops are included...

It seems like its coming down to a question of opinion rather than actual facts so I'll just say this:

Yes you can build a custom PC with better specs for much less money than buying a Mac. You can also buy a pre-built PC for generally less money than buying a Mac. In my experience, I would rather spend more money on buying a Mac than building or buying, even if I couldn't get the exact high-end specs I wanted. I save myself a headache, and I have a great computer which will do everything I need with ease. The design, quality of the product, and overall performance is important to me, and I've never had any issues, gaming or otherwise, with my MacBook Pro, or any Mac I've used.

U've got a lotta extra cash?
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Caliber
Profile Joined August 2010
United States598 Posts
July 31 2012 19:11 GMT
#66
I dont consider myself a pro but i played on a 13inch macbook pro for the first year of sc2 on PicNic. It was pretty terrible.
NuttyFudgesicle
Profile Joined December 2010
United States29 Posts
July 31 2012 19:18 GMT
#67
Have both a PC and a mid 2010 MacBook Pro to play SC2 on. Let me just say firstly, the biggest problem with the Mac is that you cannot turn off mouse acceleration which can be rather huge for some players, especially at the pro level. (I know there have been one or two ways that people have bypassed this using a program, but I have not tried it). Having said that, I can run SC2 fine on all low settings. It has been running SC2 fine for the last two years, until recently it has encountered heating problems and occasionally crashes. Even before this problem it would usually lag during 4v4 games. I installed SC2 on boot camp and it definitely runs much smoother on windows, and can actually bump a couple settings up towards medium. As good as Macs are (for other purposes) I do not think Pros will be using them anytime soon as the hardware/drivers and play settings are extremely important during competition. Using a Mac would likely only cause more problems for this. If you are a casual player, then Mac will do fine. If you need mouse acceleration off and higher settings, look elsewhere.
B-Wong
Profile Joined October 2010
United States240 Posts
July 31 2012 19:20 GMT
#68
I think a lot of gaming incompatibilities (and hardware/software drivers, too or whatever) along with the innate fact that you can't disable the mouse acceleration without a 3rd party program just makes mac computers more cumbersome for progamers to work with. That and a the sponsorship stuff, too.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
July 31 2012 19:28 GMT
#69
I'm glad to see the disclaimer is keeping the 13 year olds out of the thread.
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Xitac
Profile Joined April 2012
Germany25 Posts
July 31 2012 19:38 GMT
#70
poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them





User was warned for this post
SoniC_eu
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1008 Posts
July 31 2012 19:49 GMT
#71
I think it was a temp ban and Belial is back spreading the word of custom made PCs On a personal note, my own PC is custom made and I wouldn't want it any other way now that I have tried it. I guess that's how apple users feel about their macbooks and imacs and that's totally awesome. In terms of software I find apple software rather sexy and extremely user friendly & super compatible with other apple products from ipods to iphones. There are certain advantages to each type of OS/computer. Having said that, I prefer custom PCs because I can change RAM/HD/processor etc. whenever I feel that the seperate part is a bottleneck. You can't do that with a new or old mac, right?
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MajorProblem
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden14 Posts
July 31 2012 20:16 GMT
#72
On August 01 2012 04:18 NuttyFudgesicle wrote:
Let me just say firstly, the biggest problem with the Mac is that you cannot turn off mouse acceleration which can be rather huge for some players, especially at the pro level. (I know there have been one or two ways that people have bypassed this using a program, but I have not tried it).


Here is one of the mythical acceleration killers for the brave ones.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=194668

But I agree that windows dominance in desktop gaming will not be broken for many years to come.
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Eliwood5837
Profile Joined July 2011
245 Posts
July 31 2012 20:31 GMT
#73
I don't know any pros that use a mac but i use mac, but my mac is bootcamped with windows 7 for gaming
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mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
July 31 2012 20:38 GMT
#74
mac is generally horrible for gaming unless you use bootcamp.

the only good thing ive noticed about mac is the retina technology they use

so i can see things much more clearly. But to me thats about it.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 20:47:50
July 31 2012 20:44 GMT
#75
Here's the answer without all the BS:

The only "pro" who uses (or used) a Mac is Scarlett. But just because no one else does doesn't mean you don't have to!
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Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 20:49:41
July 31 2012 20:45 GMT
#76
Think no pro use mac. Answere was the first response to the thread.
macIO not for gaming ( not discussable because of many things allready mentioned -for me biggest negativ thing lack of third party drivers or problems with them )
linux not for desktops ( discussable )
windows not for servers ( discussable, but nahhh )
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Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
July 31 2012 20:56 GMT
#77
On August 01 2012 04:38 Xitac wrote:
poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them


Actually, he got banned for saying things like this in his post:

The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No.


It's inflammatory, untrue, and trying to start an argument that the OP specifically asked to keep out of the thread.

The truth is that pricing Mac hardware against truly equivalent generic Windows PC hardware can be kind of tricky, because Apple tends to adopt exotic interfaces like Thunderbolt, designs laptops with very difficult to achieve form factors, and does things like builds a high quality monitor into the box. Sometimes the prices are pretty close, sometimes the Apple hardware is wildly expensive in comparison. This also varies over the life of an Apple product, because what is exotic and expensive on the PC side on day 1 will cost a lot less in six months, while the Apple price won't have changed.

I personally own a recent Windows PC that I use solely for gaming or running the occasional application that's only available on Windows, a four-year-old Mac Pro, and two Mac laptops. Here's why I choose to buy Apple hardware, when I do:

* It's cheaper to buy a somewhat more expensive Apple system than switch over to a Windows PC wholesale because I have software that cost many times what the hardware did, and it's all legally paid-for and licensed. (Many of these packages, particularly my Adobe products, have been continually upgraded since the late 1980s or early 1990s.)

* The UNIX-like OS makes certain kinds of development much easier than on a Windows PC, where that kind of thing swiftly takes one into a very strange proprietary Microsoft world that doesn't resemble anything else out there.

* The laptops are smaller and lighter for the capability than the Windows competition, and again, they run the same software into which I've already bought.

If a pro gamer is going to buy a new computer, of course they won't buy a Mac, for the reasons related to mouse acceleration and drivers that people have mentioned. However, running SC2 on a Mac is perfectly viable in general and might be acceptable to a pro under certain circumstances.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 21:06:23
July 31 2012 21:02 GMT
#78
As time goes on the driver issues will decrease. I have to use Razer products right now (which I have no complaints) because they have drivers that work with Mac OS X.

With the right drivers there's nothing wrong with Macs, and the reaction you get for showing up to lan tournaments with a Mac is always worth it.

And the simple fact that Macs are easier to use and give you less headaches makes them worth enough to me to give up Windows-based computers altogether.
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Aphasie
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-31 21:22:21
July 31 2012 21:21 GMT
#79
I used macs for almost 20 years (from age 4) and the reason Im a hardcore brood war fan is probably because i couldnt play many other games. I dont feel ive missed out on much, as BW was awesome. BUT Macs arent for gaming, thats a fact. Always has been, always will be.

So this is why progamers dont use macs:
1. Sc2 progamers are gamers, hence they also play some other games from time to time -> no mac
2. Throughout history the tweaking and support programs for macs have been awful; No PGTour, No fish, No ICCUP, no teamspeak, etc etc.
3. Binding keys like for instance control to the mousewheel was impossible making it nigh impossible to be good at brood war, from which a lot of our current progamers came. As far as i know, you cant even bind your mouse keys on razer equipment even with the drivers (this was true 2 years ago at least)
4. The tournament issue, already mentioned

As long as my relationship with macs have been. And however much i tried defending it when i was a kid growing up. Macs arent for gamers. End of fucking story. Running bootcamp to play games on windows is plain retarded.
frozenrb
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland389 Posts
July 31 2012 21:26 GMT
#80
On August 01 2012 05:56 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2012 04:38 Xitac wrote:
poor belia got banned for saying macs are overpriced
just admit it, macs are too expensiv thats the reason why most ppl(including sc2 pros) dont use them


Actually, he got banned for saying things like this in his post:

Show nested quote +
The real question is, does anyone who knows anything about computers, use Mac? And the answer is No.


It's inflammatory, untrue, and trying to start an argument that the OP specifically asked to keep out of the thread.

The truth is that pricing Mac hardware against truly equivalent generic Windows PC hardware can be kind of tricky, because Apple tends to adopt exotic interfaces like Thunderbolt, designs laptops with very difficult to achieve form factors, and does things like builds a high quality monitor into the box.


This monitor isn't high quality, especially it's glossy surface. Eizo/NEC/Fujitsu is high quality, a lot cheaper monitors are better than this marketing miracle.
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