EPTIs it a neat idea? Yeah. But it doesn't make sense for Blizzard to automate / host it.
Automated Tournaments and the Monetization of Bnet - Page 2
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ghosthunter
United States414 Posts
Is it a neat idea? Yeah. But it doesn't make sense for Blizzard to automate / host it. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
 ! Would be awesome indeed, as others said though, there is the trickyness of whether it is considered gambling, and whether it is or isn't, what would matter is how it is perceived. I like the idea tho | ||
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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Bob300
United States505 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
I'm sure they could implement this automated system legally. | ||
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Nfinite
United States25 Posts
On June 18 2010 09:06 Wihl wrote: Whats to stop people from creating low-ranking accounts and just farming gold level tournaments though? Playing with real money would be cool but to be honest I'd like to see (in addition to money tournaments) 'fantasy monies' being used. With fantasy monies you could get some special avatars, a bigger internet penis, achievements and so on. The same thing that stops phil hellmuth from sitting down at the .25/.50 tables and taking everyones money, its not worth his time. If these real money tournys existed, leagues could not have an effect on where you are placed, if you want in on the real money tourny you would play against anyone else willing to put up the money, and over a short period of time the far better players wouldnt be willing to spend thier time playing in the lower entrance fee tournaments which would effectivly ensure you are playing against people close to your ability... or people who are dumb and are either throwing thier money away or wasting thier own time. | ||
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Tristan
Canada566 Posts
There might even be people like those in online poker who somehow make an income by playing tournaments all day but oh well. Also as a tournament and not a poker tournament would it really be counted as gambling and not esports? | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On June 18 2010 09:19 Backpack wrote: Blizzard hosts an annual WoW Arena Tournament with a $200,000 prize pool. ($20 buy-in) I'm sure they could implement this automated system legally. Yes, They easily could but some countries (cough Canada cough) have some shitty law(?) Edit: WTF? Looked on some thread on the WoW forums.. Canadian residents are not required to pay an Entry Fee in order to enter. Instead, Canadian residents may enter by submitting a 250 word typewritten essay comparing tournament video gaming in Canada to tournament video gaming in the United States on 8 ½ x 11 inch paper and mailing their essay to Essay Entry for The 2010 North American Blizzard Entertainment Arena Tournament, P.O Box 18979, Irvine, CA 92623. Essay entries must be received no later than April 27, 2010 in order to be eligible. Essay entrants represent and warrant that the essay is their original work and does not infringe the rights of any third party. By entering, essay entrants hereby grant, without further consideration, all right, title and interest in and to their essay to Sponsor. Someone replied to this: I'm Canadian and did not have to write an essay. That is an option offered to Canadians only if they don't wish to pay the twenty upfront and instead wish to write a short 'essay'. Edit2: on another thread: Unless you live in Quebec, he said. It's illegal to enter any such contest there. So there you have it, Canucks! You can pay or write an essay as you choose, unless you're in Quebec, in which case your local laws force you to take the role of spectator. souce Glad im not from quebec | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On June 18 2010 09:22 TheElitists wrote: I think this is a genius idea and with that invite only pro league could be a really cool source of really good games to watch. There might even be people like those in online poker who somehow make an income by playing tournaments all day but oh well. I don't see it as feasible to make a living purely from playing tournaments this way, because RTS games don't have a sufficient element of chance. The online poker tournaments are profitable because a ton of recreational players are essentially creating a ton of overlay by signing up with little to no chance of winning. Yet, due to the luck element - sometimes they do, or at least they might make it far, or not recognize that they lost because of bad play but rather put it down to luck. However, I still think it can be succesful, just not by the same definition. Also as a tournament and not a poker tournament would it really be counted as gambling and not esports? Not really sure. I wonder what the MTG ones are classified as. | ||
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Knutzi
Norway664 Posts
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bakedace
United States672 Posts
On June 18 2010 09:02 FrozenArbiter wrote: I'm curious how the poker world handles this - is there seen to be a difference between contests where chance is involved and ones where it isn't? I know Canada (I think it's Canada anyway) can't participate in certain WoW tournaments, but I also know Canadians play poker just fine (tonnes of succesful canadian online poker pros). To put it in perspective there are only a couple poker websites that allow US players to play for real money, legitimately. It would be a impossible/daunting task to make smooth and polished transactions; like something you would see in a blizzard game. If they could some how get around "gambling" altogether it would work nice. All in all I voted yes. Its a bit different than poker because of they fine lines in skill level. you can put an amateur on the same table with a pro in poker. not the case in sc, obviously. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On June 18 2010 09:27 bakedace wrote: To put it in perspective there are only a couple poker websites that allow US players to play for real money. It would be a impossible/daunting task to make smooth and polished transactions; like something you would see in a blizzard game. If they could some how get around "gambling" altogether it would work nice. All in all I voted yes. Its a bit different than poker because there are very fine lines skill levels. you can put an amateur on the same table with a pro. not the case in sc, obviously. Yes but the reason for that is the UIGEA, or the Safe Port Act - aka the dumbest act ever. Prior to 2006, all the worlds gambling sites were open to US customers. I don't think Blizzard would be affected by it... But I guess it comes down to the definition of gambling. Eitherway, we were talking about Canadians, and they are allowed to play poker on essentially any site in the world (well, not country specific ones I guess)  Title VIII of the Act is also known as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (or UIGEA). This title (found at 31 U.S.C. § 5361–5367) prohibits the transfer of funds from a financial institution to an illegal Internet gambling site, specifically excluding fantasy sports, online lotteries, and horse/harness racing. Don't you just love how the horse racing industry/online lotteries are exempt from it? Corruption at its finest. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
That being said, I question its mass appeal. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
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Wargizmo
1237 Posts
Cool idea, but it would be a legal nightmare. Japan's legal system for example considers computer game tournaments for money a form of gambling, which is illegal over there. There would probably be all kinds of logistics and licenses and things Blizzard would have to aquire in order to do online for money tournaments, as well as implementing an entire payment system and support team if there's any problems with people getting their money. Excluding tournaments to a specific division wouldn't solve your first concern either, as soon as real money is involved good players would quickly start deliberately losing matches to drop divisions so they could win the newbie tournaments. This would mess up the ladder in addition to screwing over the tournaments. I like the idea from a spectator point of view just for the top leagues, but I don't think it would be worth it for Blizzard since the feature would go unused for most players. I would, however, like to see automated free tournaments like they were implemented in War3, I think those worked really well. I also really LOVE the idea of the battle.net software allowing players themselves to easily set up and run tournaments. | ||
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BraneSC2
United States123 Posts
Plus make a little cash if you're good . I would, however, like to see automated free tournaments like they were implemented in War3, I think those worked really well. I also really LOVE the idea of the battle.net software allowing players themselves to easily set up and run tournaments. Also, if cash tournaments fail to be added, then normal tournaments would fit perfectly. Just some sort of tournament system would be beautiful to see. | ||
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Talic_Zealot
688 Posts
I would be totally up.. for the weekly free roll :D | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
However, my guess is it won't be up 24/7. That's absusable, and its also sends a really bad message to any even vaguely family oriented gamer. 24/7 money betting is kind of...sketchy...for Battle.net. | ||
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RumZ
United States956 Posts
In this case wouldn't it just be gambling as it has been discussed previously? I think it is, sadly. =\ | ||
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