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Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-18 00:45:29
June 18 2010 00:44 GMT
#41
If blizzard hosted the betting site outside of the US. It would fine/ Legal, just a bit sketchy.

Edit: or they could make you buy credits 1 for $1 then use that for tournament and then you win credits, you could then return the credits for your money back???
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-18 00:45:34
June 18 2010 00:45 GMT
#42
Blizzard wouldn't be able to add such a feature sadly due to international laws on gambling. This would be illegal in several countries. I like the initiative, but there would be far too many barriers to get such a thing up officially. If you want to host such a tournament, it would have to be under the table.
Powster
Profile Joined April 2010
United States650 Posts
June 18 2010 00:46 GMT
#43
I support this 100% lol.. I am not good enough to where I would use it yet.. but I am sure there will be a time where I will want to in the near future when I think I am good enough..

BUT.. I dont think you should have anything lower than diamond league (or just the pro league) to be allowed. If it was platinum or lower you could lose your placement matches on purpose and then never do any matchmaking and keep winning the tournaments easily..

And.. they would earn money from it even if not many people are using it. Just by creating the system they will be earning money without any effort after that which is never bad...
Half
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2554 Posts
June 18 2010 00:46 GMT
#44
On June 18 2010 09:44 Bob300 wrote:
If blizzard hosted the betting site outside of the US. It would fine/ Legal, just a bit sketchy.

Edit: or they could make you buy credits 1 for $1 then use that for tournament and then you win credits, you could then return the credits for your money back???


They could charge a static monthly fee for unlimited participation.

That kind of scares me though.
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Sueco
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden283 Posts
June 18 2010 00:47 GMT
#45
I approve of this. Its not gambling more than collecting a tournament fees to buy a trophy cup is.
Morayfire73
Profile Joined April 2010
United States298 Posts
June 18 2010 00:48 GMT
#46
I like this idea, however for something as complex as starcraft, having no refs but blizzard could be a problem. Just look at a bunch of tournements where people disconnect, second TL invitational comes to mind, with the game between Artosis, and Slush. If Blizzard were to implement a system like this, they would have no good way to deal with logistical stuff like what happens with a disconnect.

Just looking at some of the logistical stuff that tournament organizers have to deal with is mind boggling, the system you presented would work, but I don't think any very serious or large prize pools would ever be available due to Blizzards inability to handle the logistical stuff.
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seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
June 18 2010 00:49 GMT
#47
wow, this is a brilliant idea! i really like it!

i dont like anything related to betting though, it seems like it could ruin esports the way it ruined it in korea
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NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-18 00:51:38
June 18 2010 00:50 GMT
#48
I am 90% in favor of this idea, with the 10% of doubt existing just because I haven't given the idea a whole lot of thought. But my first impression is definitely in favor.

The best argument for it is it's the only way to have good automated tournaments. You could have automated tournaments without money and they would suck. Prize money is required for good tournaments. Entry fee is the only way I can imagine that automated tournaments can have prize money.

IMO Blizzard shouldn't take a rake. It's not about the money for me as a player. But I think running this service wouldn't cost them any extra money compared to other services that b.net will be running for free. That's not really my main reason either. Mainly I think it'd just be better for Blizzard and bnet's image to not take a cut.

Blizzard wants b.net 2.0 to be awesome and the best online experience etc. Providing a service like this for free would be absolutely amazing. Since it's feasible (afaik), I think they should do it!

ugh I'm not very eloquent when I'm writing in a hurry. I just read over that and I felt like my writing skills just regressed 10 years lol
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Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
June 18 2010 00:51 GMT
#49
.......... and there goes my bank account.
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Bob300
Profile Joined April 2010
United States505 Posts
June 18 2010 00:52 GMT
#50
On June 18 2010 09:51 Destro wrote:
.......... and there goes my bank account.

I completely agree, i would spend so much money on these tournaments lol, then lose.
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ThePanda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1 Post
June 18 2010 00:52 GMT
#51
First off, its gambling and because of the world-wide nature of BNET solving all the legal issues would likely cost a fortune. Blizzard would not only have to comply with gambling laws in the US, but Korea, Europe, etc, but also needs to take into account other countries, like China, which does not permit any type of legal gambling, online or otherwise.

Even if you limited pay to play to the US, its almost certain that players from other countries would be able to get a hold of the keys and get on the U.S. servers creating any number of legal and game-play issues. Maybe no good U.S. players would play in $1-5 tournaments, but it could be very lucrative for Asian players where the cost of living is lower.
Elec
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada136 Posts
June 18 2010 01:00 GMT
#52
the idea sounds great but i think blizzard will have a lot of trouble implementing this solely basted on the fact that sc2 is rated T for teens. By implementing anything gambling related they are encouraging teens to gamble which i think would give sc2 a bad name
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Tristan
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada566 Posts
June 18 2010 01:00 GMT
#53
On June 18 2010 09:52 ThePanda wrote:
players would play in $1-5 tournaments, but it could be very lucrative for Asian players where the cost of living is lower.


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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6345 Posts
June 18 2010 01:01 GMT
#54
I feel like a rake would be okay if they reinvested it into prizes for freeroll tournaments in the form of spots for the winners in paid tourneys.

Closing to divisions immediately brings in the problem of people abusing the ladder just so they can clean out SNGs in lower leagues. Maybe these ought to be diamond/proleague only.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
June 18 2010 01:02 GMT
#55
Awesome idea. I think the monthly subscription model some poker companies adopted to circunvent UIGEA could be legally viable.
InfiniteIce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States794 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-18 01:06:37
June 18 2010 01:02 GMT
#56
Really quality writeup.

Interesting idea, and I really really like it.

Thanks for opening my mind to this one :D it's something I'd love to see implemented.

Also:
On June 18 2010 09:50 Liquid`NonY wrote:
IMO Blizzard shouldn't take a rake. It's not about the money for me as a player. But I think running this service wouldn't cost them any extra money compared to other services that b.net will be running for free. That's not really my main reason either. Mainly I think it'd just be better for Blizzard and bnet's image to not take a cut.

I think the rake was more to give Blizzard a theoretical incentive if they were to ever consider this. If they would do it for free, with no cut, then I would be back in love with Blizzard, all over again.
But given the way things may or may not be heading re: microtransactions, I think they might need some sort of incentive to do this.

(I am agreeing with you, though. They shouldn't take a rake, but if it was between "Blizz gets a small rake", or "Blizz doesn't do this", I would be in favor of the former, in this case.)
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chuninexam
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada56 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-18 01:09:38
June 18 2010 01:06 GMT
#57
I am a poker player aswell, and I've had this exact same idea. I'd like to see this implemented in SC2 aswell as other new competitive online games.

There is no detriment to blizzard at all. All they need to do is set up the system and profit. It's completely optional to take part in so it doesn't hurt anyone who doesn't want to take part in it.

edit

It was just brought to my intention that this might be hard to implement because of the gambling laws in the USA aswell as various other international gambling laws. This is indeed a problem and probably is enough of a road block for this to not happen at all with SC2.
HDstarcraft
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States577 Posts
June 18 2010 01:06 GMT
#58
As an avid poker player myself, I must agree with this idea. Great way to monetize bnet, and appease the competitive crowd.

However, make sure not to stifle the big name tournaments with this idea. (As FA said, sponsors work best with the big name tournaments.)
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Noelani
Profile Joined May 2010
55 Posts
June 18 2010 01:11 GMT
#59
Man this is an awesome idea... srsly fk the government, cuz as others have said, pointless laws based on the thinking that gambling is "immoral" will prevent blizzard from bothering to tackle the legal nightmare of implementing this amazing idea.
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
June 18 2010 01:12 GMT
#60
Casual online pay to play in tournaments wouldn't be good for Starcraft 2. Not yet anyway. How many online poker players have you heard of using map hacks?
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