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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. Obviously Ver's profile picture. | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
risky, but would be a good gambit | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
Well, I've seen that before but I wasn't thinking about it. Though that is interesting. | ||
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L
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 12 2010 02:49 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm still wondering how the name of "bus driver" came into this game, though it makes for epic lulz. It stemmed actually from an idea of DrH I believe, as the role was discussed when he wanted to host his own game. As to all the roleclaim business. Yes, I did claim to vivi, as well as two others. Now I will outline why. The importance of the DT this game seems to be alot more powerful than most games provided you can get into office. This, as it has been said before, stems from the ability to be role checked yourself (if anyone else is dt). Also, since the bodyguards are publically known, the town can medic wagon them, and slow down the mafia hit wagon. The longer I stay alive in office (if i get it) the more people that end up being checked. Everyone has to remember, that although the bus driver could be mafia aligned, he doesn't know who the mafia is. His ability is much harder to screw people around with than people believe. Remember, if the bus driver says "change player A and B" where in this case player A is the BG we are protecting. The mafia gets butt fucked as well. They target their hit to player A and it hits B as well. The only way around it is to first find the Bus driver (this could take awhile if hes mafia aligned, he could also end up being on towns side, or maybe the role isnt in the game), and then try to plan it out. Vivi claiming for me, although annoying, is slightly needed at this point though. As L has implied he was a DT, and when the chances of two in the game are low, it actually had me to the point I would of had to claim publically to begin with. If we both somehow are DT, it would be easy pretty quickly to determine, but wastes alot of time. (easiest way would be luck checking a miller). It really seems unlikely that there are two of us with the same role, and on the off chance there are, the chances of either of us living without an electoral position now are pretty well fucked. Although it kills the need of a mouth now. The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 11 2010 22:31 citi.zen wrote: So BC has not denied his roleclaim. The question is: why choose this weird way to come out? Seems it was a slip-up from vivi? But then why would BC trust vivi without a rolecheeck??? BC is a smart player who knows the importance of dts in this game. Why risk it all for one vote??? It makes no sense if BC really is dt to take that risk in a pm. Any comments BC?? As i said in my super large post i just made. I am a player who without constant protection will typically get offed earlier rather than later. Especially in a game where as incog stated earlier (believe it was him) that the big names this game are me, L, incog himself, malongo, foolishness. With a few more recognizable names, we have slightly more sway at least at first. So those of us without protection typically die faster, be it by mafia hitting us at night, or town lynching. As for trusting vivi with it, it was a simple choice. Choose 3 people, claim, see reactions. When your not planning on living long unless you get bg protection, and even then, I would have claimed instantly if i got into office, the end result is the same, my role is still known. At least in PM's (although in this case IM's) I would get reactions to give some form of information to the town with. I'm pretty well just doing an all in move that gets me a bit more protection, or dead instantly. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 12 2010 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The original reason for me claiming to three people was to garner votes for my campaign. Basically after elections if I didn't get in, and say 1 of those three refused to vote for me, chances are I would find a tell in their posts leading to one dead mafia anyway. I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote: I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. Ugh. Read that as: Maybe they just don't trust you. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 12 2010 03:59 Zona wrote: I person not voting for you after your claim of DT doesn't necessarily mean they're mafia. Maybe they don't just trust you. No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote: Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote: oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote: No, but it gives alot of information for me to garner from them based off it. For instance, i can instantly out those two as fishy. Anyone can re examine their posts for tells, and voila information. Its not a fool proof test, but it gets something over nothing. Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans? | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote: Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. you're not helping your case | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:28 citi.zen wrote: Just to close this discussion: are you saying you were planning to claim publicly anyway, after you gathered some PM intel, and vivi just happened to spill the beans? Yes | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
OK, that makes it an internally consistent approach to me. You have my vote. + Show Spoiler + None of this means I trust you. However, I am certainly not willing to risk losing a DT. + Show Spoiler + Your treat for the day is another poem of course! + Show Spoiler + Rest ye in peace, ye Flanders dead. The fight that ye so bravely led We've taken up. And we will keep True faith with you who lie asleep With each a cross to mark his bed, In Flanders fields. Fear not that ye have died for naught. The torch ye threw to us we caught. Ten million hands will hold it high, And Freedom's light shall never die! We've learned the lesson that ye taught In Flanders fields. | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 12 2010 03:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Especially in a game where as incog stated earlier (believe it was him) that the big names this game are me, L, incog himself, malongo, foolishness. No, it was L. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote: Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. how does anybody role check you if you are the dt? -.- | ||
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Bill Murray
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