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On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares.
I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25.
I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Of course it was a sale. Now its back at 60. But I wouldn't be surprised if at release or before some other place offer it with another discount.
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On June 23 2013 03:15 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 02:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 23 2013 01:15 paralleluniverse wrote:
As you admit, there's nothing stopping people from taking shared games offline and continuing to play them without the 24 hours check-in, so no they cannot keep the sharing feature, without additional forms of DRM. They did not pull the shared game features to spite you. It's not feasible without DRM. Sure, they might still add it back in later if they get time to develop the new DRM features for shared games, but that's my point. Also, shared games isn't the only thing that got removed, playing a disc game without having the disc in the device and having all games on your accounts so they can be downloaded on any Xbox One is simply not possible anymore. So these features got yanked. Sharing requires a connection for a single transfer. The transfer generates an encrypted (hidden) key that unlocks the game on the destination machine and locks it on yours. To unlock it, you need someone with an unlocked game to do the same for you (doesn't have to be your original version). There, digital games shared with no 24 hour check-in. And if people can hack that...well, then frankly the entire console is compromised and every game is open to piracy. That wouldn't be sharing the game, that would allow people to steal the game from someone else.
...I'm very hesitant to ask, but...how?
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On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies. Show nested quote +
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99.
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On June 23 2013 03:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:15 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 02:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 23 2013 01:15 paralleluniverse wrote:
As you admit, there's nothing stopping people from taking shared games offline and continuing to play them without the 24 hours check-in, so no they cannot keep the sharing feature, without additional forms of DRM. They did not pull the shared game features to spite you. It's not feasible without DRM. Sure, they might still add it back in later if they get time to develop the new DRM features for shared games, but that's my point. Also, shared games isn't the only thing that got removed, playing a disc game without having the disc in the device and having all games on your accounts so they can be downloaded on any Xbox One is simply not possible anymore. So these features got yanked. Sharing requires a connection for a single transfer. The transfer generates an encrypted (hidden) key that unlocks the game on the destination machine and locks it on yours. To unlock it, you need someone with an unlocked game to do the same for you (doesn't have to be your original version). There, digital games shared with no 24 hour check-in. And if people can hack that...well, then frankly the entire console is compromised and every game is open to piracy. That wouldn't be sharing the game, that would allow people to steal the game from someone else. ...I'm very hesitant to ask, but...how?
His proposal could potentially lock the original owner out if the person borrowing the game never comes back online.
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On June 23 2013 03:41 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:33 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 23 2013 03:15 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 02:38 WolfintheSheep wrote:On June 23 2013 01:15 paralleluniverse wrote:
As you admit, there's nothing stopping people from taking shared games offline and continuing to play them without the 24 hours check-in, so no they cannot keep the sharing feature, without additional forms of DRM. They did not pull the shared game features to spite you. It's not feasible without DRM. Sure, they might still add it back in later if they get time to develop the new DRM features for shared games, but that's my point. Also, shared games isn't the only thing that got removed, playing a disc game without having the disc in the device and having all games on your accounts so they can be downloaded on any Xbox One is simply not possible anymore. So these features got yanked. Sharing requires a connection for a single transfer. The transfer generates an encrypted (hidden) key that unlocks the game on the destination machine and locks it on yours. To unlock it, you need someone with an unlocked game to do the same for you (doesn't have to be your original version). There, digital games shared with no 24 hour check-in. And if people can hack that...well, then frankly the entire console is compromised and every game is open to piracy. That wouldn't be sharing the game, that would allow people to steal the game from someone else. ...I'm very hesitant to ask, but...how? His proposal would lock the original owner out if the person borrowing the game never comes back online.
...so basically it's stealing if the other person doesn't give it back. Just like sharing in real life...?
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On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99.
.... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either.
But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy.
If you want to play bioshock go ahead, took me 5min to find that one out:
http://www.code4game.com/bioshock-infinite-pc-cd-key.html
31$
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On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:
Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares.
Are you arbitrarily discounting preorders as day 1 purchases?
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On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy.
Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices.
If I go on GMG or Steam or Amazon right now, as far as I can tell, I cannot find any new AAA games that are selling less than the usual $50-$60. And this is with the most restrictive form of DRM and no resale. Yet you expect Xbox One, with it's half-arsed DRM which doesn't kill resale, which people still complained to hell about (while they have no problem with the DRM-fest that is PC), to come out with a 33% sale on it's game 6 months before the console launches.
There is absolutely no precedence for this. Even on PC, virtually all AAA games release at $60. In fact, the people who buy games on day 1, are more willing to pay higher prices, so that it doesn't make sense to have day 1 sales. I can think of no product that launched with day 1 sales. Moreover, Microsoft does not have the authority to make publishers partake in a day 1 sale, in fact they would look stupid if they even asked. Because it's a bad business move. So it is delusional to expect Microsoft to be announcing day 1 sales, something that has never happened before on any console launch and is ultimately, out of their control.
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On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices.
?? I said that DRM should lower the price, not that it will (since it depends on someone's decision).
Another reading failure from paralleluniverse
Anyway, I'm wasting my time, looks like people really love to put 60$ for DRM heavy products; who am I to tell them there are better deals.
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On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. If I go on GMG or Steam or Amazon right now, as far as I can tell, I cannot find any new AAA games that are selling less than the usual $50-$60. And this is with the most restrictive form of DRM and no resale. Yet you expect Xbox One, with it's half-arsed DRM which doesn't kill resale, which people still complained to hell about (while they have no problem with the DRM-fest that is PC), to come out with a 33% sale on it's game 6 months before the console launches. There is absolutely no precedence for this. Even on PC, virtually all AAA games release at $60. In fact, the people who buy games on day 1, are more willing to pay higher prices, so that it doesn't make sense to have day 1 sales. I can think of no product that launched with day 1 sales. Moreover, Microsoft does not have the authority to make publishers partake in a day 1 sale, in fact they would look stupid if they even asked. Because it's a bad business move. So it is delusional to expect Microsoft to be announcing day 1 sales, something that has never happened before on any console launch and is ultimately, out of their control.
I just popped on to Steam right now. Resident Evil Revelations for $49.99, Grid 2 $49.99, Remember $49.99, Saint Row IV pre-sale $49.99,
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On June 23 2013 04:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. If I go on GMG or Steam or Amazon right now, as far as I can tell, I cannot find any new AAA games that are selling less than the usual $50-$60. And this is with the most restrictive form of DRM and no resale. Yet you expect Xbox One, with it's half-arsed DRM which doesn't kill resale, which people still complained to hell about (while they have no problem with the DRM-fest that is PC), to come out with a 33% sale on it's game 6 months before the console launches. There is absolutely no precedence for this. Even on PC, virtually all AAA games release at $60. In fact, the people who buy games on day 1, are more willing to pay higher prices, so that it doesn't make sense to have day 1 sales. I can think of no product that launched with day 1 sales. Moreover, Microsoft does not have the authority to make publishers partake in a day 1 sale, in fact they would look stupid if they even asked. Because it's a bad business move. So it is delusional to expect Microsoft to be announcing day 1 sales, something that has never happened before on any console launch and is ultimately, out of their control. I just popped on to Steam right now. Resident Evil Revelations for $49.99, Grid 2 $49.99, Remember $49.99, Saint Row IV pre-sale $49.99,
He's not gonna listen. The post at the top of the page provided proof that he bought AAA games at prices lower than 60 dollars and he still doesn't believe that.
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On June 22 2013 18:55 TyrantPotato wrote:not our fault. the reporters who are trying to spin the argument to microsoft's side and now point the finger at the consumers are just doing it for views/shock factor hipsterswagyoloiknewitwouldbe bs.
No article that wants to be taken seriously have EVERY other WORD in CAPS to create SHOCK and AWE in its readers.
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On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. If you want to play bioshock go ahead, took me 5min to find that one out: http://www.code4game.com/bioshock-infinite-pc-cd-key.html31$
Never heard of the site before. It looks as if this site basically buys bulk from wholesale, keeping only the CD-key. They can probably undercut for such games as they do not have the overhead costs of a brick-and-mortar store, can get bulk discounts, and can ignore RRP. They seem to be exploiting an arbitrage opportunity caused by physical distribution and CD-keys for PC gaming.
Xbox One would have used a CD-key/activation code system, but now it uses disc-based games. That would have allowed this site to sell Xbox One CD keys. Too bad you killed that.
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na wat are u talking about gmg doesn't offer AAA games at a discount
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On June 23 2013 04:07 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. If I go on GMG or Steam or Amazon right now, as far as I can tell, I cannot find any new AAA games that are selling less than the usual $50-$60. And this is with the most restrictive form of DRM and no resale. Yet you expect Xbox One, with it's half-arsed DRM which doesn't kill resale, which people still complained to hell about (while they have no problem with the DRM-fest that is PC), to come out with a 33% sale on it's game 6 months before the console launches. There is absolutely no precedence for this. Even on PC, virtually all AAA games release at $60. In fact, the people who buy games on day 1, are more willing to pay higher prices, so that it doesn't make sense to have day 1 sales. I can think of no product that launched with day 1 sales. Moreover, Microsoft does not have the authority to make publishers partake in a day 1 sale, in fact they would look stupid if they even asked. Because it's a bad business move. So it is delusional to expect Microsoft to be announcing day 1 sales, something that has never happened before on any console launch and is ultimately, out of their control. I just popped on to Steam right now. Resident Evil Revelations for $49.99, Grid 2 $49.99, Remember $49.99, Saint Row IV pre-sale $49.99,
I said between $50-60, these games are $50. The question is whether DRM on PC should cause day 1 prices to be lower than day 1 console prices, in all of these cases, the console price is also $50 according to Amazon. Furthermore, none of these games are on sale on Steam.
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On June 23 2013 04:11 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. If you want to play bioshock go ahead, took me 5min to find that one out: http://www.code4game.com/bioshock-infinite-pc-cd-key.html31$ Never heard of the site before. It looks as if this site basically buys bulk from wholesale, keeping only the CD-key. They can probably undercut for such games as they do not have the overhead costs of a brick-and-mortar store, can get bulk discounts, and can ignore RRP. They seem to be exploiting an arbitrage opportunity caused by physical distribution and CD-keys for PC gaming. Xbox One would have used a CD-key/activation code system, but now it uses disc-based games. That would have allowed this site to sell Xbox One CD keys. Too bad you killed that.
That site is one of many that sell only keys to activate on steam. Yeah of course they can do it because they don't have to even have upload servers.
As for it selling XB1 keys, seems only wishes to me that Microsoft would allow a third party to sell keys for their console. And I have no idea why they wouldn't be able to still do it... digital sales haven't diseappeared on XB1 right ? Or PS4 too.
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On June 23 2013 04:19 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:11 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. If you want to play bioshock go ahead, took me 5min to find that one out: http://www.code4game.com/bioshock-infinite-pc-cd-key.html31$ Never heard of the site before. It looks as if this site basically buys bulk from wholesale, keeping only the CD-key. They can probably undercut for such games as they do not have the overhead costs of a brick-and-mortar store, can get bulk discounts, and can ignore RRP. They seem to be exploiting an arbitrage opportunity caused by physical distribution and CD-keys for PC gaming. Xbox One would have used a CD-key/activation code system, but now it uses disc-based games. That would have allowed this site to sell Xbox One CD keys. Too bad you killed that. That site is one of many that sell only keys to activate on steam. Yeah of course they can do it because they don't have to even have upload servers. As for it selling XB1 keys, seems only wishes to me that Microsoft would allow a third party to sell keys for their console. And I have no idea why they wouldn't be able to still do it... digital sales haven't diseappeared on XB1 right ? Or PS4 too.
They wouldn't be able to do it because there are no more keys Xbox One. I don't see Xbox360 and PS3 games there.
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On June 23 2013 04:03 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. ?? I said that DRM should lower the price, not that it will (since it depends on someone's decision). Another reading failure from paralleluniverse Anyway, I'm wasting my time, looks like people really love to put 60$ for DRM heavy products; who am I to tell them there are better deals.
So the solution is go with no DRM so that console games can forever stay overpriced? You're wrongly attributing the blame to Microsoft, when Microsoft doesn't set the price of Xbox games. These cheaper games for PC didn't magically spring into existence overnight, yet somehow you expect Microsoft, which ultimately has no direct control over prices, to do exactly that. Adding in DRM will enable publishers to lower prices over time, like PC games.
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On June 23 2013 04:28 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:03 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. ?? I said that DRM should lower the price, not that it will (since it depends on someone's decision). Another reading failure from paralleluniverse Anyway, I'm wasting my time, looks like people really love to put 60$ for DRM heavy products; who am I to tell them there are better deals. So the solution is go with no DRM so that console games can forever stay overpriced? You're wrongly attributing the blame to Microsoft, when Microsoft doesn't set the price of Xbox games. These cheaper games for PC didn't magically spring into existence overnight, yet somehow you expect Mircosoft, which ultimately has no direct control prices, to do exactly that. Adding in DRM will enable publishers to lower prices over time, like PC games.
I'm pretty sure Valve forces its sales on anyone using their platform.
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On June 23 2013 04:28 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 04:03 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:58 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:43 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:40 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:26 rezoacken wrote:On June 23 2013 03:19 paralleluniverse wrote:On June 23 2013 03:07 rezoacken wrote:On June 22 2013 19:16 paralleluniverse wrote:
Do you have a better suggestion on how we can move toward Steam-for-consoles? Apart from better PR (Microsoft was abysmal here, leaving only a few people, like me, to defend this), how should this transition have been implemented? Yes. Offering digital sales at a lower price. I don't give a eff whether its the publisher or Microsoft choice that put the prices. If you want it to be good and fight used game, lower the price of digital. No "but at first we have to put it at 60$" bullshit. And finally, steam still sell stuff at 60$, but what's great is that its easy to find the game on PC at 40-45$ elsewhere. With a single-service... good luck. If your system is good, people will gravitate towards it, if its not and you try to enforce it, adding the bad PR, you get the shitstorm that you deserved. Please cut the bullshit. You cannot get AAA new releases at $40-45 anywhere. Not on Steam, not on Amazon, not on Xbox Live, not on PSN. No one discounts their products on day 1, yet you expect Microsoft to announce discounts 6 months before the console is out. Get real. Complaints that Xbox Live has a monopoly on pricing Xbox games is like saying the NYSE has a monopoly on pricing American shares. I got Rome 2 at 45$ with preorder bonus. Bioshock Infinite at 35 or 39$ 4 days after release. Tomb Raider at 45$. Some people on the CiV thread got BNW at 10-15$ instead of 25. I'm real. Try again before accusing me of lies.
Dear Acken,
Thanks for shopping at Green Man Gaming!
Items bought
Total War: Rome II - PC $44.97
Payment type:
Savings: -$14.98
Delivery: $0.00
Total $44.97
All prices are inclusive of applicable taxes and fees
Funny that you mention Green Man Gaming, because that's a DRM heavy store. How else do you think they can get those prices? I just had a look on the website. Total War: Rome II: 59.95. Bioshock Infinite: 59.99. Tomb Raider: 49.99. .... Of course digital goes with DRM (and since the game activates on Steam I'm not really sure what's your point pointing out GMG specifically). That's the point, thats why you should get lower price from it. And yeah game prices fluctuate. I got Tombraider from steam at that price, the preorder cut put the game at 45$. As for bioshock it wasn't from either. But if you think I lie, that's okay we all have our little fantasy. Oh so all of a sudden now you admit that DRM leads to lower prices. ?? I said that DRM should lower the price, not that it will (since it depends on someone's decision). Another reading failure from paralleluniverse Anyway, I'm wasting my time, looks like people really love to put 60$ for DRM heavy products; who am I to tell them there are better deals. So the solution is go with no DRM so that console games can forever stay overpriced? You're wrongly attributing the blame to Microsoft, when Microsoft doesn't set the price of Xbox games. These cheaper games for PC didn't magically spring into existence overnight, yet somehow you expect Microsoft, which ultimately has no direct control over prices, to do exactly that. Adding in DRM will enable publishers to lower prices over time, like PC games.
Sigh... like I said already, I don't care who's responsible for prices. That's the end result that matter. If digital and DRM are supposed to lower price, then lower the price, whoever. If publishers aren't willing to lower their prices, then don't feel suprised if people are angry for DRM.
PC gaming has already paved the way, there is no reason for it to take 1,2 or 3 years for Xbox to adopt the same business principles.
What's up with the ton of excuses lately. You're making it look like Microsoft had only wonderful intentions and that everything hasn't work out because people are stupid and because publishers don't want to lower their price. But Microsoft ? Nah, they really want to lower the prices and bring us into the future. Right with a 100$ forced Kinect. Sounds like lowering prices really is the motto of Microsoft. They failed to sell the advantages of their product, including lower prices, therefore their sales got hurt.
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