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Balla24
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 07 2014 12:48 jaybrundage wrote: While I do like homer and the simpons in general. The image and my thought process having nothing in common. Don't misrepresent what I say please. You did this multiple times as scum last game. Sorry that was my reaction to reading it, that's as much logic and depth I perceived. That is: very little | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 07 2014 12:55 Balla24 wrote: Oats we're trying to clear shit up, if he's town then I don't want him to be confused about what I was doing or saying, which is what he is now. I'm not pressuring him. Once he understands what I was saying, he can make a better read on me and move on from there. Otherwise he'll just think i'm scum for untrue things. So why did you ask the thread to stop? | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 07 2014 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote: So why did you ask the thread to stop? Because you guys WERE pressuring him. The guy doesn't even have a clear head yet. I'm not pressuring, do you see any questions? All i'm doing is answering his questions about what I was doing and making sure he's clear on what i'm saying. It's a one way road basically. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. On February 07 2014 12:48 Balla24 wrote: Ok. Here is what I said in regards to your reaction, I even quoted the post I was talking about (i think i'm getting pretty good at quoting heuheu). I said more about it in multiple other posts, but this is what I said at first. This is ONLY in response to the initial reaction to koshi, which is quoted within. The explanation for why I voted for you in the first place is here, they are relatively separate (not relevant to your reaction to koshi): + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote: You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird. | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
I'm very weary on him. On February 07 2014 07:25 JonnyLaw wrote: I appreciate the effort you put into that post man. It's funny but you're trying to force it into being more distracting than Koshi's post last game. What the fuck? The post he quotes here is completely irrelevant to my probability mafia post. This was literally the first time I was not being trolly in this game. I know the things I was referring to were trolly and joky, but I wanted to start the game at that point, and they were interesting enough initial thoughts to question their motives behind it. Why does he think i'm forcing anything and distracting anything. That was literally the start of the first discussion of the game yet he doesn't even really read it. He even moves into quoting one of my more trolly posts afterwards ("I declare myself king") and calls it funny, even though it was way more distracting than anything else I did. Moving on: On February 07 2014 07:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Overall you had a good game. You had one comment early that tripped my scum radar. I think along the lines of "in newer games people need motivation to post." Then you proceeded to try and take over the town. I felt like you were scum trying to take over the town. Bah, you should have been scum. There were plenty moments where jonny talks about something irrelevant and not helpful to the game with the facade that it is "getting the game started" and "not talking about policy". This post here could have literally happened in post-game and pre-game, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference. There is absolutely NO relevance to jay's alignment in this game. In fact, all it does is help jay if he's scum. There's more moments like this, specifically the Aqua stuff. On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote: Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. Here he says that he finds Jay's excuse-making and self-doubt "weary" but doesn't think it makes him scum (or at least that's what I gather from him asking "does that make him scum?" after literally saying "it's scummy sure", which is really weird in itself). This is in direct contrast to what I know of town jonny. The guy LOVES to pick at this stuff. + Show Spoiler [Quotes from jonny town games] + On January 20 2014 11:40 JonnyLaw wrote: Ve's full of shit. He was this active last game. Making excuses for his posting now. ##vote visceral eyes On January 06 2014 15:21 JonnyLaw wrote: You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far? I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter. On January 06 2014 15:30 JonnyLaw wrote: I'll be on tomorrow at a more reasonable time. At this point we have three players who've posted nothing. Fine, we have 30+ hours till day ends. I hate this post and generally everything in Asuna's filter. Excuses, bandwagoning and self doubt in one line. I'm down to lynch Asuna or OWB at this point. Dragoon and Chyz read more as if they're trying but misguided. + Show Spoiler [PYP: LoL, where Jonny is Mafia] + On December 03 2013 07:24 JonnyLaw wrote: Rean - Votes yorick, claims vt and roleplays liftlift. Could be scum lurking. Austin talks about champ abilities and not wanting town to role claim. I'm not certain role claiming is the best policy either. Maybe I'm missing something but these two are lurking harder than gtrs. Mocsta is making a lot of excuses. Busy, in mylo etc... I generally agree with Roffles and Mocsta about gtrs. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2013 15:08 Roffles wrote: I think gtrsrs just doesn't give a fuck anymore because he didn't get his champ of choice and is stuck as a vanilla townie. To me it all makes sense cause I know he probably just picked a champ he likes playing in the actual game (Khazix) and seemed cool in terms of skills here (he announced he was doing this too), but wasn't able to grab him and now just starts screwing around cause he's got nothing better to do. MZ wants gtrs lynched and then spends the rest of his posts defending himself. If this is a popular sentiment and he was a proponent of it early why is he getting so much flak? Are mocsta and MZ arguing for some personal reasons? Why did you want me to read these filters. The first two say nothing and the second two are just arguing. Rayn thinks MZ's contradicting himself but the first couple days I thought Rayn posted okay for the most part. I'm more confused about them at this point than anything. tldr Rean and Austin are useless right now because they're doing nothing. Mocsta's making excuses without them being asked. Could be scummy. MZ's spending all his time on defense. This is the opposite of how soniv approached aggression directed his way. That's why I liked soniv for town earlier. On February 07 2014 09:13 JonnyLaw wrote: Koshi went to sleep. Are you reading this thread Balla? Then this. This is just blatantly not reading the thread. I was asked by jaybrundage to make a "town case" on koshi, so I did so. I even quoted what I was responding to. Yet he tells me I'M not reading the thread. This ticks me off ^_^. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, JonnyLaw ( 1 ) : suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage Balla24 ( 0 ) : Aquanim ( 0 ) : 5 people who haven't voted yet: Aquanim, Alakaslam, Sidesprang, LoneMeow, JonnyLaw, With 3 votes Jaybrundage is set to be lynched Deadline on Saturday, Feb 08 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 07 2014 13:16 Aquanim wrote: @jayb: Do you think it's impossible or unlikely that a town Koshi would have a gut read on you which he is unwilling or unable to state more precisely than that he thinks you feel "off"? I know in previous games I've had gut reads on people's posts where I had difficulty saying exactly what I didn't like about them, but was certain there was something weird. When jonny asked him about the point of his post on me. Koshi said it was for a reaction. Well he got quite the reaction but he has yet to do anything in regards to processing the information and reaching a conclusion. He could be town. I have been wrong before. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 07 2014 13:13 Balla24 wrote: Ah yes! Finally. Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game? ##vote Suki I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started. What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived. In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset. In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay. On Koshi Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk. His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute. If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch. Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
Your first point I'm not sold on, since the post of yours which he quoted did contain some reference to the probability stuff: "...I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is". Sure, there may have been actual content in your post too, but calling out your continuing usage of your mathematical mumbo-jumbo isn't too bad from him. I don't see how finding one of your later trolly posts to be funny is too inconsistent with that, either. Jonny indeed has a lot of irrelevant posts, that's true. I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at regarding Jonny "picking" at things, could you elaborate on this some more? As for him not reading the thread, people make mistakes sometimes. Conclusion: some interesting points raised but nothing which draws me much away from null on jonny. also weary is not the same thing as wary | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote: Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? Ehh.. not so much still. I think the point still stands. I still would lump the initial vote reaction with the "my vote is real" reaction. But for now: ##unvote | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On February 07 2014 13:57 Aquanim wrote: @Balla's thoughts on JonnyLaw: Your first point I'm not sold on, since the post of yours which he quoted did contain some reference to the probability stuff: "...I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is". Sure, there may have been actual content in your post too, but calling out your continuing usage of your mathematical mumbo-jumbo isn't too bad from him. I don't see how finding one of your later trolly posts to be funny is too inconsistent with that, either. Jonny indeed has a lot of irrelevant posts, that's true. I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at regarding Jonny "picking" at things, could you elaborate on this some more? As for him not reading the thread, people make mistakes sometimes. Conclusion: some interesting points raised but nothing which draws me much away from null on jonny. also weary is not the same thing as wary The thing is completely ignoring it just because it has a joke about it is silly. Saying it's distracting is also silly, considering it was again, the first scum-hunty post of the game. I find it very inconsistent, but we will agree to disagree here haha. Jonny LOVES LOVES LOVES to pick at people making excuses for their play. Did you look at the quotes in the spoilers. Those are from his 2 recent town games. He picks at VE for "making excuses already" and goes as far as to vote for it super super super early. In the other game, he picks at 2 different people for making excuses like that. Goes so far as to say he would kill one of them for it. In his scumgame, he says Mocsta (his scummate) is making excuses, but only says it "could be scummy". Pretty much the same thing he did here in regards to jay "it's scummy but does that make him scum?". This is pretty big to me. | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On February 07 2014 14:08 Balla24 wrote: The thing is completely ignoring it just because it has a joke about it is silly. Saying it's distracting is also silly, considering it was again, the first scum-hunty post of the game. I find it very inconsistent, but we will agree to disagree here haha. Jonny LOVES LOVES LOVES to pick at people making excuses for their play. Did you look at the quotes in the spoilers. Those are from his 2 recent town games. He picks at VE for "making excuses already" and goes as far as to vote for it super super super early. In the other game, he picks at 2 different people for making excuses like that. Goes so far as to say he would kill one of them for it. In his scumgame, he says Mocsta (his scummate) is making excuses, but only says it "could be scummy". Pretty much the same thing he did here in regards to jay "it's scummy but does that make him scum?". This is pretty big to me. There wasn't anything in your post addressed to him, I see no reason for him to respond to the content there really. As such I don't find it suspicious that he only responded to the trolly part. I see what you're getting at now with the picking at excuses thing. As an association case I would not really put any weight on it until one of them flips, though. | ||
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Aquanim
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Balla24
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The second, it's not an association case. I'm not saying jaybrundage + jonnylaw are scum. I'm saying jonnylaw is scum on his own. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote: Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward. I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started. What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived. In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset. In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay. On Koshi Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk. His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute. If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch. Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns. so then this was a lie? On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote: ##unvote King Balla ##vote Jaybrundage What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man. Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. So basically you think JayB is scum because he made a case longer than 2 sentences. Why is it more scummy if someone tunnels early? Didnt I tunnel early against koshi off pretty much nothing and I was town? You are doing the exact same thing as last game. I guess either you didnt learn anything or you are scum trying to play to your previous town meta. What about JayB's scumhunting was forced and contrived? | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On February 07 2014 14:15 Balla24 wrote: Reasonable on the first point. The second, it's not an association case. I'm not saying jaybrundage + jonnylaw are scum. I'm saying jonnylaw is scum on his own. So you reckon that he'd be more tolerant about peoples' failings as scum, no matter whether he's talking about his scumbuddy or a townie... yeah, I guess I could see that being true, actually. I'd quite like to see his reply to these points. | ||
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