Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII - Page 17

On February 18 2012 01:19 gumshoe wrote:
As of now i really dont get any bad vibes from him,but i didnt really expect to suspect anyone this early in the game, that said gladus first posts explain the odds distribution in the game in a refined but obvius way, his other post was ano obvius but not hostile critique of my poll( the poll was also meant to garner hostile potentialy opotunity seeking mafia responses but his response was just polite and reasonay dismissive) he has not provided ano opinion on lynching lurlers

On February 19 2012 02:27 zelblade wrote:
Hey guys. Will go sleep now in order to wake up in time for the deadline (praying that i dont oversleep...). Hopefully can wake up around 2 hours from lynch.

For the lynch today, my prime targert is ofc ET, with reasons stated in my case on him. Assuming we cannot get a majority on him, ill be fine with a mannerkiss lynch unless he starts posting quality stuff. Dimmuklok I am unsure on - will reread his filter again tomorrow before lynch before I make up my mind. I dont feel that MG or gumshoe is scum, and thus dont want to lynch them.

Night.

On February 19 2012 02:45 TKHawkins wrote:
jaj Says flashy and aggressive play are not scummy when talking about Ech. But that's also how he is playing. Convenient eh? Would like more of an explanation about why Midnight in particular deserves a pressure vote, when there are so many others that could have used that too.

On February 19 2012 03:34 jaj22 wrote:

1. If you don't believe me on that point, you can PM Palmar and ask him. Or you can just read Palmar's town play.
2. That's not a pressure vote. I think he's scum. You can tell because I wrote a case on him with his name in bold red text. While his contribution to town is no lower than a lot of other players, he's the one who should know better. I'll be writing another post covering his play since my case shortly.

On February 19 2012 03:34 jaj22 wrote:

1. If you don't believe me on that point, you can PM Palmar and ask him. Or you can just read Palmar's town play.
2. That's not a pressure vote. I think he's scum. You can tell because I wrote a case on him with his name in bold red text. While his contribution to town is no lower than a lot of other players, he's the one who should know better. I'll be writing another post covering his play since my case shortly.

On February 18 2012 09:31 jaj22 wrote:
Ok, screw it. I'm making a case.

MidnightGladius:

1. Starts off with a number of completely useless posts on setup. Didn't even do the probability.
2. Makes the usual post on ET vs Sloosh and Gumshoe's poll. Yeah, so did everyone else.
3. Votes the easy target (MannerKiss) with an elaborate lurker-lynch reasoning.
4. Votes the easy target (Gumshoe) because he spams and sucks at statistics.

That's it. Low post count apart from the setup filler. No interest in anyone in except the easy targets, and contributing next to nothing to town as a result. I don't think he posted much more in Newbie Mini III, but he had the excuse of being blue there, and it was a slower game (too damn slow). He should know better.

Probably much too early to be putting people in bold red, but I'm bored waiting for all the lurkers to post.

On February 19 2012 04:08 MidnightGladius wrote:

The flaw here is that as soon as we say that "behavior A is scummy," and that "behavior B is not scummy," there is nothing to prevent the mafia from taking your cue and thus avoiding town suspicion. As you seem to know what you're talking about with regard to statistics, you have to admit that P(aggression|scum) is always non-zero.

I'm much more worried about EchelonTee, considering that he came back and still hasn't followed through on his original promise to make a case on me. He referred to your case instead of providing reasoning of his own, and then told me to "respond or die." Right. Personally, I think he's waiting for someone else to take the hint and push first, much as he prompted you. His behavior lacks accountability to the town and to himself, and that's far more damning to me than any "flashy or aggressive play" heuristic.

If you really think I'm scum, then vote for me. Actually vote for me, using the proper format so that it will be counted correctly

On February 18 2012 09:45 MidnightGladius wrote:
You're not even going to vote for me?

Welcome back! The last we saw you, DYH was your first scumread. Now, he's "pretty strong townie"?

Finally some excitement! Or are you just going to run some of that point-by-point analysis with the red numbers?

You apparently think that nonsensical attacks should be taken seriously. If nothing else, vote with the proper formatting so that it will get counted properly. You're missing a colon at the moment.



That's the kind of posting that I really don't to have to deal with in the lategame :S

On February 18 2012 05:19 DimmuKlok wrote:
I've decided to change my stance on lynching lurkers. I was thinking it would be in towns favor to not lynch someone over lynching someone for being inactive, because there's not much to go off of. After reading everyone's response I'm convinced we should be looking for someone to lynch, but I do feel we should try to find a good reason to lynch someone before we target lurkers.

I'm must suspicious of MannerKiss right now, like most of you. I'm surprised he threw out that one line response to DoYouHas and then never came back to defend himself.

Another suspicion of mine is gumshoe. He's made a lot of posts so far, and most of them being him defending himself for making the poll in the beginning. From a scum perspective, this seems like a good idea. Opening with a useless poll gets your name out there while trying to make it seem like it had a purpose. From then you're able to clutter the thread with discussion over the useless poll, all the while falling back on being a new player as an excuse and some vague reasoning behind it(which might I add has changed several times).

Even if gumshoe is not scum, I can't see this as pro-town behavior.

On February 19 2012 04:50 jaj22 wrote:

You're missing the point, possibly deliberately. People are using ET's style as the primary reason that he's scum, which is invalid unless P(aggression|scum) is much greater than 27%, which my experience suggests is not remotely true. If people want to argue that ET is scum, they should use valid reasoning.


This is a valid reason. Unfortunately, it's also a very common thing for flashy and aggressive town players to do, so if that's all you have, it's not a good enough reason to lynch.


Zbot doesn't need the colon. My vote counted.

Anyway, I'm having a crisis of confidence so I'm going to eat something and then re-read.

On February 19 2012 04:50 Mattchew wrote:
Hey guys... I have read a little but am about to go to Atlantic City for the night. I read through the top 3's filters (ET Dimmukok and Midnight) and I think that Midnight should be the lynch today.

##vote: MidnightGladius

On February 19 2012 04:57 DoYouHas wrote:
Take note that the only person he has expressed an opinion on that didn't first attack him is gumshoe, and even those opinions are non-committal. sl0osh has done almost exactly what ET has done, except he hasn't provided us with any stances that we can later use against him. I refuse to believe that with 4hours left in the day, sl0osh has no opinions or cases worth posting. He is just trying to slide by, I won't let him.
##Vote: sl0osh