EPT@sl0osh, I will be very interested to read it, but unfortunately I'm going to be gone for a while (as I stated last night), and will not have the opportunity to change my vote.
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
@sl0osh, I will be very interested to read it, but unfortunately I'm going to be gone for a while (as I stated last night), and will not have the opportunity to change my vote. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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To avoid no lynch it makes sense to focus on the most suspect candidate. Since you won't be here, no one else will push for me and so it is in one sense a wasted vote, which is something I do not want at all. | ||
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TKHawkins
United States103 Posts
He rides the coat tails of other people's thoughts + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2012 09:54 EchelonTee wrote: you're hilarious. DoYouHas, I'm soft defending gumshoe now. I guess you were writing up your post without seeing the updates. We have the same thoughts though. Let's lynch MidnightGladius. Or DimmuKloK no seriously, I gtg. I love the activity though, so refreshing  He then jumps along with jaj22's post and votes for Midnight. He would not be on my radar if it wasn't for that. I can't see a strong reason for the MidnightGladius vote especially with both the people voting for him not backing up their vote once it's questioned. | ||
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jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On February 19 2012 04:50 Mattchew wrote: Hey guys... I have read a little but am about to go to Atlantic City for the night. I read through the top 3's filters (ET Dimmukok and Midnight) and I think that Midnight should be the lynch today. ##vote: MidnightGladius Way to make me hate my case, man  | ||
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TKHawkins
United States103 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
On a side note it doesn't look like Zbot recorded either my vote or Mattchew's. ##Vote sl0osh | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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jaj22
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slOosh
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In this case I will point out how he appears to contribute, but he isn't pro-town at all. I won't be picking apart quotes, but looking at his overall behavior, since this is what led me to this read. His first accusations are on me and MannerKiss. I've already shared how I don't like the logic he uses. His reasoning is that I am not playing to his expectations and therefore my subpar play indicates that I am mafia. His next posts talk about how he thinks gumshoe is town. Notice how he doesn't focus on finding mafia, but clearing town. That looks pro-town but it isn't. We want to agree and lynch the strongest scum suspect. He thinks gumshoe is town. Fine whatever, Why isn't he moving on and trying to find mafia? Why is he upset that we aren't discussing how gumshoe is town? After throwing out some weak accusations on MidnightGladius, TKHawkins, Dimmuklok and slOosh (me), he ends by voting on me. Again, I see nothing in him that wants a successful lynch. On February 19 2012 04:57 DoYouHas wrote: Take note that the only person he has expressed an opinion on that didn't first attack him is gumshoe, and even those opinions are non-committal. sl0osh has done almost exactly what ET has done, except he hasn't provided us with any stances that we can later use against him. I refuse to believe that with 4hours left in the day, sl0osh has no opinions or cases worth posting. He is just trying to slide by, I won't let him. ##Vote: sl0osh His reasoning to lynch me is because "I will be harder to read later on, so it is best to lynch me now." And his response while I am typing this up seals the deal. On February 19 2012 06:02 DoYouHas wrote: I am not comfortable lynching Midnight, ET, or Dimmuklok. A no lynch is preferable to me at this point. If I have not been convincing enough with my case against sl0osh, so be it. Find the majority without me. ##Vote sl0osh He has no reads, and wants to lynch me but doesn't put any effort into it. Not pro-town at all. Guys, don't confuse activity with pro-town agenda. He may be active, but he isn't like a townie at all. ##Vote: DoYouHas | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:20 MidnightGladius wrote: sl00sh has been quiet, but I'm going to leave him be for now. He doesn't stand out from the rest of the lurkers, and I don't think pressuring him with this little time left in the day will be as effective as just confirming our lynch for the day. Your post left out your thoughts on EchelonTee. What are your thoughts on him and his posting? I discourage trying to lynch MidnightGladius today. Not because he is leaving me alone, but because his focus is on finding scum, not using his precious first day vote to pressure me. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
dudez, I said I was going out and could not post substantively. cut me some slack. Going to make one big defense post, and one big analytical post in the next hour. some random notes: None of the analytically minded players have tried to hammer me yet. I find this surprising; sloosh could have rallied the town to lynch me by now, if he had wanted to. he has the posting ability, and enough people have bandwagoned on me. I don't support a lynch on sloosh atm. Someone said that flashy and aggresive play isn't inherently scummy. that's true. I think what a lot of people have disliked about me is that I am trying to "act on my own" (individualistic), while not having "clear intentions". For the former, I have pressed and poked a number of people, and addressed people's concerns on me (or am going to, shortly. seriously). If I really wanted to ignore town, I could just, ignore town, and not address anyone and just glorify my own reads. I'm not interested in that. Secondly, I ALREADY stated this, but I do NOT have an overarching plan! townies arent supposed to! I read the thread, see who I think is scummy, and post analysis on them if I feel that they are scummy enough. thats it. I can be more transparent in who I think is scummy, but you're not goign to get anything more out of trying to make it seem like i have hidden agendas. also: someone said something along the lines of "we need a town leader soon, this is going bad, lots of inactivity". Firstly, this is a newbie game; I don't expect any epic, super accurate analysis to come out of the blue, ESPECIALLY on Day 1 when reads are notoriously hard. The game is going decently atm. there is a LOT of content in the thread right now, its just if people are willing to read into it. writing up my posts now, pls dont accuse me of saying im going to post and not posting, cuz im working on it now -.- | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
##Unvote: DimmuKlok ##Vote: EchelonTee | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote: At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake. ##Unvote: DimmuKlok ##Vote: EchelonTee Read my case on DoYouHas. Don't lynch someone you think is a townie for information. We don't lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. | ||
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Janaan
United States381 Posts
On February 19 2012 06:29 slOosh wrote: Read my case on DoYouHas. Don't lynch someone you think is a townie for information. We don't lynch for information, we lynch to kill mafia. I'll read the case, I should be online until the deadline, so I'll be checking the thread periodically for more details, as well. I'm especially interested in what Echelon has to say, especially since he hasn't really had a chance to comment on accusations against him yet. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
zelblades: On February 18 2012 14:02 zelblade wrote: I believe that EchelonTee is mafia. What first caught my eye is this: What is the motivation for a townie to post this? He states that he wanted sloosh to post, but this seems like he is trying to throw some suspision onto him. Besides, why sloosh? At that point a large portion of the players had not even posted yet, yet of all of them he targert sloosh. Again, what is his motivation for wanting to call out sloosh in this way? He believes that sloosh is a good player and thus wants to discredit him by planting seeds of doubts in the minds of other players. 1. He later proceeds to get into an agurment with sloosh. Here, his attitude seems to be really defensive. As sloosh has already mentioned, this statement below is really defensive. He than goes on to FOS DimmuKlok, but never actually follows up on it. In fact, he goes ahead to vote MG around 20 minutes later with no reasoning at all whatsoever. Note that he never mentions MG at all throughout his entire filter but simply jumps onto him upon seeing jaj's case on him. 2. I believe that EchelonTee is scum. ##vote: EchelonTee 1.You're assuming that sloosh is town. Before the game, I said that I would be looking out for DoYouHas and Sloosh, because I know that they are good. If they town, thats great. If they are Mafia, that's bad. So I directly addressed sloosh so that I could get a read on him. It got sloosh to post, which can be only good for town. At that EXACT point in time, do you really think that I thought sloosh was mafia? I had NO read on sloosh because he hadn't posted, which is exactly why I wanted him to post. Was it an aggressive, perhaps needlessly so, way to go about it? perhaps, but it got the ball rolling. 2. First of all, I was away from thread. If you think I'm lying, that's fine and dandy, but you have no substantive case if you're basing it on "he accused Midnight without a case"; I was UNABLE to make a case then. I have the ability to be suspicious of more than one person, even if I don't post exactly so in the thread (gasp really?). Seeing midnight respond badly to jaj's post, which echo'd my thoughts on Dimmuklok made me want to vote midnight. Saying that I never followed up on Dimmuklok is misrepresentation: I ALREADY posted lines on him, which no one really cared about. You make it seem like I FoS'd him with no evidence. I did. here look | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On February 18 2012 19:55 blae000 wrote: Just woke up, read the thread! There is alot back and forth, but two names that stick out the most to me is Ech and gumshoe. Ech: *He starts off by posting: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 11:11 EchelonTee wrote: Gumshoe I think you're mafia. for that poll. It may not be the biggest anti-town play ever. But its definitely not a pro-town post. One line, calling someone out at the very beginning for making a mistake. I agree, first thing I though when I saw the poll was :"dafuq is this guy doing? scum much?" But then again, posting this oneliner doesnt feel pro-town to me. 1. *Then he continues with: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 11:23 EchelonTee wrote: I agree, we should lynch lurkers. in a 12 man setup, Mafia can't lurk as easily or they lose like nubs. Newbie III is an example. with 15, they can hide away, as we lynch scummy looking newbs. If sloosh doesnt post within 12-24 hours, I'm going to presume that it's because he was busy posting in scum QT. Which I also find anti-town more then pro-town. The lynching lurkers part is fine, but the last sentence is overly agressive so early in the game. If it was a way to get him to post and it turns out your town, I dont like your style. With this short agressive post you are not giving anything valid to the rest of us in town. 2. *After an ok post where he defends himself from a FOS, this mess starts: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 12:05 slOosh wrote: Heartily agree that we cannot just talk about policy forever. However. Why did you post that last line? On February 17 2012 12:11 EchelonTee wrote: Because I wanted you to post. On February 17 2012 12:13 slOosh wrote: By threatening me with the label of mafia if I didn't? On February 17 2012 12:15 EchelonTee wrote: did you feel threatened? :D and so on.... Earlier I said I sided with Ech.. I filtered him to read up on his actions and started to regret taking his side in that arguement. While sloosh may have been overly defensive, he atleast brought up some points in his posts. He asked some questions. Ech responded with (again) way to agressive post, with no points or questions that could force out some useful information. Then it got out of control imo. Both of them coming of as suspicious, and continuing the posting while it should have stopped. But the very first posts(I quoted) is examples of posts i get suspicious of from ech. 3. *After the situation with sloosh settles down, I just dont get what Ech is trying: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 13:32 EchelonTee wrote: You're right. For some reason, I get a lot more upset when people accuse me of being Mafia when I'm Town, as opposed to when I'm actually Mafia. inb4 he's trying to make it seem like he's town in this game when he's actually not!! Indeed, I'm glad that you are. Giving excuses for his agressive posting. Which he also did earlier. And then this post: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2012 16:25 EchelonTee wrote: Oh WOW I totally went crazy, for some reason I thought sloosh double fos'd me, when it was DoYouHas who first did so. holy overreaction, batman. lol @ MannerKiss dropping a one liner and fading away More excuses, ok he might have realized he overreacted. But it's the last sentence that makes it weird, calling out MannerKiss. While MannerKiss did do that, this was after Ech vs Sloosh and people where talking about them, suspecting them. So this to me feels like this: "oh, my bad.. Btw, this guy doesnt look town at all lol".. The perfect moment to drag himself out of the hole by pointing at someone else. 4. *He gives a reasonable FOS on DimmuKlok, but sort of out of nowhere. I'm not going into it, because I doesnt provide anything in my case. *Lastly there is like 7-8 posts with one liners and just general bullshit.. Examples: + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2012 09:43 EchelonTee wrote: No. I will eat a baby if that happens. + Show Spoiler + not really, but seriously, no. On February 18 2012 09:49 EchelonTee wrote: He was trolling, most likely. You are not. ##Vote MidnightGladius more after these messages! On February 18 2012 09:54 EchelonTee wrote: you're hilarious. DoYouHas, I'm soft defending gumshoe now. I guess you were writing up your post without seeing the updates. We have the same thoughts though. Let's lynch MidnightGladius. Or DimmuKloK no seriously, I gtg. I love the activity though, so refreshing None of his last post gives anything to the town, while he looks active and sort of discussing with others. It's not "OMG YOUR SCUM" but it's absolutely not pro-town. This is the reason why Ech is on top of my list at the moment. 5. 1. If you saw gumshoe's poll and thought "dafuq this guy is scum", why didn't you say "I think you're scum"? I thought he was scum for that poll and I made my thoughts clear. More importantly, I made it clear that the poll was not an optimal idea at all, and town was able to move away from it as fast as possible. Seems pro-town to me. 2. I am not being "short"; I post a lot, and I have made large posts. Please don't mislabel me as someone who posts very little, insubstantially, while I have done neither. On the other hand, tell me, what exactly is the problem with being aggressive? When someone is aggressive, it forces other people to respond to them, to take stances, to address the issues. Would you rather me be passive, attack no one, and make everyone feel happy? I already said: if im being over the top, an asshole TELL ME TO STOP, regardless of what you think my alignment. But if I am not overstepping the line, and GMarshal can make it clear if so, me being aggressive forces people to post. This is GOOD for town. 3. I was having a conversation with sloosh. You seem to have an aversion to "one liners". When someone is having a direct back and forth in thread, one liners are not bad. They really arent. If that is the ONLY thing I have been posting, sure, that scummy! Do you REALLY think I have been posting one liners all game? 4. I thought sloosh fos'd me twice, but he didn't. end of story. Mannerkiss's post was hilarious in that it reminded me of what some vets might have done, like Kenpachi; respond utterly nonsensibly to someone's question. I did NOT say "btw this guy doesnt look town at all". I was responding to thread. You know, how town should be doing. 5. In the lines that you quoted, I did the following: 1. say that a no-lynch is bad, 2. say that MidnightGladius is scummy for going after a troll poster, 3. correct DoYouHas on a posting error he made in regards to me. I find it really offensive that you are saying that is BULLSHIT. Because it is not BULLSHIT. I am responding to stuff in the thread. Lastly, you are saying that you dont find me to be "OMG SCUM", but not pro-town, and this is the reason why I am most suspicious. You should never lynch people you merely find not pro-town if you can avoid it. You can avoid it right now. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On February 18 2012 23:41 trackd00r wrote: Good morning. Zelblade, I'm glad you are posting again @DYH: Sorry for ignoring your post regarding gumshoe. It's well... I can't explain the situation anymore. I know that he is town because otherwise, their teammates would have told him to shut up and calm down. I'm very afraid that gumshoe style of posting brings more confusion a chaos to the thread. From now, I'm not going to get into more of his drama if there isn't a very good reason to do so. @TKhawkins: There is a huge difference between a player who posts lots of content less posts and one who post a few but deep and content. For example blae000 hasn't posted a lot of times, but his posts are good. Ech and gumshoe, in the other hand... I still believe that ET is our best candidate for lynching. I've already given my explanations why, as well as others. He hasn't replied my post yet. Sorry, but I cant wait any longer. ##Vote: EchelonTee MannerKiss, please show up again with something new, or I'll consider switching my vote. The only points you make are that I didn't complete my case on midnightgladius, and that I post "flashy and aggressive". I addressed the latter already, and will be addressing midnight. Your case has no substance. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On February 19 2012 04:08 MidnightGladius wrote: I'm much more worried about EchelonTee, considering that he came back and still hasn't followed through on his original promise to make a case on me. He referred to your case instead of providing reasoning of his own, and then told me to "respond or die." Right. Personally, I think he's waiting for someone else to take the hint and push first, much as he prompted you. His behavior lacks accountability to the town and to himself, and that's far more damning to me than any "flashy or aggressive play" heuristic. I'm going to push you in a sec, don't worry. How has my behavior lacked accountability? I took massive hits going after gumshoe and sloosh, and now you. My reputation has been dragged through the mud. You are mispresenting me as trying to avoid responsibility, when I am taking a lot of it atm. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5239 Posts
On February 19 2012 05:50 TKHawkins wrote: ##Vote: EchelonTee He rides the coat tails of other people's thoughts + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2012 09:54 EchelonTee wrote: you're hilarious. DoYouHas, I'm soft defending gumshoe now. I guess you were writing up your post without seeing the updates. We have the same thoughts though. Let's lynch MidnightGladius. Or DimmuKloK no seriously, I gtg. I love the activity though, so refreshing He then jumps along with jaj22's post and votes for Midnight. He would not be on my radar if it wasn't for that. I can't see a strong reason for the MidnightGladius vote especially with both the people voting for him not backing up their vote once it's questioned. Have I been riding the coattails of people's thoughts all game? That's kind of different from most people's viewpoints, that I have been aggresive and individualistic. I have not been sheeping on people at all; I made an analytical post that looked a lot like jaj's, so I was like oh cool we think the same. that means my thoughts on dimmuklok are not unfounded, and midnight's awkward response (will be clarifying this in a sec) prompted me to respond in kind. Posting analysis now. | ||
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