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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
February 18 2012 23:07 GMT
#381
On February 19 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
MidnightGladius played totally weird day 1 when he was vig. I can understand the conclusions he came to, and maybe his difference in play is attributable to him not being a vig this time around.

Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:20 MidnightGladius wrote:
sl00sh has been quiet, but I'm going to leave him be for now. He doesn't stand out from the rest of the lurkers, and I don't think pressuring him with this little time left in the day will be as effective as just confirming our lynch for the day. Your post left out your thoughts on EchelonTee. What are your thoughts on him and his posting?

I discourage trying to lynch MidnightGladius today. Not because he is leaving me alone, but because his focus is on finding scum, not using his precious first day vote to pressure me.

I'm not saying he isn't mafia. I'm saying that right now DoYouHas seems like a much better suspect. Midnight is at least following town logic, and I agree with the logic he uses (such as not wanting to share town reads right now. I don't agree with some conclusions he is coming to but the logic is sound). DoYouHas, however is not being logical at all, even though he demonstrates that he knows what town should do in NMMIII.


Him not going for any solid reads is very suspicious, I agree. He posted a lot, early last game, even though he was blue, so he would have no reason to be so under the radar at the moment. If he seriously does not change his vote before deadline, then I will find that highly suspicious. His case on you is not solid enough to leave his vote there. However, there is no way enough momentum will be achieved to lynch him atm, and any attempt to do so would be a massive vote switch with not enough discussion. which is bad.

MidnightGladius not wanting to share town reads is good logic, but that just means that he is skilled enough to know to say that. You say that he is trying to find scum, but I argue he is only looking for easy mislynches.
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GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 23:13:32
February 18 2012 23:08 GMT
#382
I forgot we had ZBot and did a votecount, yay.

Gumshoe (2): DimmuKlok, Steveling
MidnightGladius (3): EchelonTee, jaj22, Mattchew
DimmuKlok (2): Gumshoe, Alderan
EchelonTee (5): Zelblade, trackd00r, blae000, MidnightGladius, TKHawkins
SlOosh (1): DoYouHas
DoYouHas (1): slOosh

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TKHawkins
Profile Joined October 2011
United States103 Posts
February 18 2012 23:12 GMT
#383
Leave it to ZBot. Janaan unvotes Ech and you have Ech voting twice against Midnight.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:13 GMT
#384
EchelonTee:

1. My first post in NMM3 responded to other posts because other people had posted. In this game, I was the second poster, concurrent with DYH. Your allegation is baseless.

2. Our posting styles are different. You dislike mine, and I dislike yours. Fine. What specifically have I not contributed to? What topics have I failed to address? What questions have I failed to answer?

3. I was referring to FP's terrible use of statistics (saying that 30% chance on a random lynch was good), not the fact that he was green. Anyone trying to use bad reasoning is anti-town in my eyes.

4. jaj22 has no valid case on me. If he did, he would be presenting one. I don't see it. Do you? Don't push him into taking shots at me that he clearly isn't willing to take.

5. gumshoe and I had been the only ones going back and forth for quite some time. He asked me some questions, I answered them, and suggested that we both back off for a bit to cool down and sleep on our thoughts. I happen to think that my reasoning is good, and you still haven't convinced me otherwise. If you think that I'm completely and utterly scummy, then you really need to take a step back and fully re-evaluate the claims that you're making and the evidence from which you're making them.
Trust in Bayes.
Janaan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States381 Posts
February 18 2012 23:18 GMT
#385
It seems that I'm the only one not voting atm. It really looks like unless something very drastic happens, we're gonna end up with a no-lynch. Of the cases presented, probably the one that made me think most was SlOosh's case against DoYouHas, but I'm still not ready to vote for him.

As for the case against MidnightGladius, I understand where Echelon is coming from, but I have slightly different opinions on Midnight.

I think I have to stick with my original read at this time, as much as I don't really want a no-lynch Day 1.

##Vote: DimmuKlok
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 18 2012 23:19 GMT
#386
I have an aching feeling that Ech will flip green if we kill him ) : that opening move of his was almost as bad as mine and hes supposed to be good, I cant imagine him being coached by other mafia through all this. I hate it but its gonna have to be a no lynch unless gladeus says he eats babies or something. Maybe we can vote for one of the lurkers? Manner/michael? Zell?

##Vote: MidnightGladius
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
February 18 2012 23:20 GMT
#387
oh ##Unvote: DimmuKlok
##Vote: MidnightGladius
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:21 GMT
#388
There is no way we're letting a no lynch happen, not after this Day 1.
Trust in Bayes.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 18 2012 23:24 GMT
#389
Right caught up with the thread. I am quite satisfied with ET's responses, as my main reason for suspision on him was his complete lack of reasoning and what felt like a sheep vote on MG. I dont believe that your play style incriminates you.

Now onto MidnightGladius. I do not believe that he is mafia. He seems to be playing really similiar to NMMIII, where he (on day 1 at least) constantly posts fluff and speculates on the setup. However, ET raises some good points against MG, and I would like to see his responses especially to the "scumslip" raised by ET. I am not willing to lynch him for now.

slOosh and DYH attacking each other is .... interesting. The seeming lack of sloosh explaining his own views in indeed suspisious. He has posted a case on DYH - but only after being called out. The fact that it seems like an OMGUS doesnt exactly help either. However, his case on DYH is pretty good imo. I have no idea why DYH would want to advocate a no lynch this late. The way he phrases that post seems to give off the feel that he doesnt care much about the lynch. This feels really scummy and the fact that he isnt pushing any reads and is even fine with a no lynch - which he has stated against. Whats with the sudden change in attitude DYH? I think that DYH has a really good chance of flipping scum.

With that, I believe that DYH might be our best lynch for today. Although sl0osh seems somewhat suspisious, I believe that DYH is actually a better lynch due to his nonchalant attitude.

##Unvote
##Vote: DoYouHas
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
February 18 2012 23:25 GMT
#390
On February 19 2012 08:19 gumshoe wrote:
I have an aching feeling that Ech will flip green if we kill him ) : that opening move of his was almost as bad as mine and hes supposed to be good, I cant imagine him being coached by other mafia through all this. I hate it but its gonna have to be a no lynch unless gladeus says he eats babies or something. Maybe we can vote for one of the lurkers? Manner/michael? Zell?

##Vote: MidnightGladius

Scumslip.

You hang tomorrow
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
jaj22
Profile Joined September 2009
United Kingdom1376 Posts
February 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#391
On February 19 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
MidnightGladius played totally weird day 1 when he was vig. I can understand the conclusions he came to, and maybe his difference in play is attributable to him not being a vig this time around.

His conclusions certainly make sense, but they're extremely safe and add nothing that everyone else wasn't aware of. MannerKiss trollposted and then lurked. Gumshoe made daft plots, spammed and posted crap statistics.

The safeness of the conclusions clashes badly with the speed of the voting. He knows that voting early looks townie, but he makes votes that no-one can really dispute, even if the players in question eventually flipped green.

His (weak) case against ET has been backed up in force by a number of similarly terrible cases from posters who did next to nothing before. Looks like the scum team coming out of the woodwork to back up their most experienced player.

{QUOTE]
@Jaj, I don't think I am expecting too much. Nowhere in Day 1 of NMMIII does he consider a no lynch nor does he treat his vote with such nonchalance.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm disappointed about that. On the other hand I'm not sure what I'd do if I was leaving three hours before the lynch and I didn't want to lynch any of the main candidates. It's possible that he really thinks you're a much better lynch than ET, DimmuKlok or Midnight, though I have no idea why in the case of the last two.

zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#392
On February 19 2012 08:07 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 07:59 slOosh wrote:
MidnightGladius played totally weird day 1 when he was vig. I can understand the conclusions he came to, and maybe his difference in play is attributable to him not being a vig this time around.

On February 19 2012 06:23 slOosh wrote:
On February 19 2012 05:20 MidnightGladius wrote:
sl00sh has been quiet, but I'm going to leave him be for now. He doesn't stand out from the rest of the lurkers, and I don't think pressuring him with this little time left in the day will be as effective as just confirming our lynch for the day. Your post left out your thoughts on EchelonTee. What are your thoughts on him and his posting?

I discourage trying to lynch MidnightGladius today. Not because he is leaving me alone, but because his focus is on finding scum, not using his precious first day vote to pressure me.

I'm not saying he isn't mafia. I'm saying that right now DoYouHas seems like a much better suspect. Midnight is at least following town logic, and I agree with the logic he uses (such as not wanting to share town reads right now. I don't agree with some conclusions he is coming to but the logic is sound). DoYouHas, however is not being logical at all, even though he demonstrates that he knows what town should do in NMMIII.


Him not going for any solid reads is very suspicious, I agree. He posted a lot, early last game, even though he was blue, so he would have no reason to be so under the radar at the moment. If he seriously does not change his vote before deadline, then I will find that highly suspicious. His case on you is not solid enough to leave his vote there. However, there is no way enough momentum will be achieved to lynch him atm, and any attempt to do so would be a massive vote switch with not enough discussion. which is bad.

MidnightGladius not wanting to share town reads is good logic, but that just means that he is skilled enough to know to say that. You say that he is trying to find scum, but I argue he is only looking for easy mislynches.


Im pretty sure that DYH has stated that he will not be around for the lynch, and a few hours after it. Which solidifies the notion that he is scum. I seriously doubt a townie DYH would just dump his vote on such a weak read heavily based on his expactations of sl0osh, formed on ONE game. He is a good player, and this doesnt seem like him.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:26 GMT
#393
We have less than an hour to reach a consensus. How many people are even active right now?

Mattchew, I thought you wouldn't be around. Why are you voting for me?
Trust in Bayes.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 18 2012 23:28 GMT
#394
Midnight, can u adress the case posted by ET? What are your thoughts on him after his defense and what do you think of his case on you?
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:29 GMT
#395
On February 19 2012 08:13 MidnightGladius wrote:
EchelonTee:

1. My first post in NMM3 responded to other posts because other people had posted. In this game, I was the second poster, concurrent with DYH. Your allegation is baseless.

2. Our posting styles are different. You dislike mine, and I dislike yours. Fine. What specifically have I not contributed to? What topics have I failed to address? What questions have I failed to answer?

3. I was referring to FP's terrible use of statistics (saying that 30% chance on a random lynch was good), not the fact that he was green. Anyone trying to use bad reasoning is anti-town in my eyes.

4. jaj22 has no valid case on me. If he did, he would be presenting one. I don't see it. Do you? Don't push him into taking shots at me that he clearly isn't willing to take.

5. gumshoe and I had been the only ones going back and forth for quite some time. He asked me some questions, I answered them, and suggested that we both back off for a bit to cool down and sleep on our thoughts. I happen to think that my reasoning is good, and you still haven't convinced me otherwise. If you think that I'm completely and utterly scummy, then you really need to take a step back and fully re-evaluate the claims that you're making and the evidence from which you're making them.

Trust in Bayes.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:33 GMT
#396
People who seem to be active right now:

1. Me
2. zelblade
3. jaj22
4. Mattchew
5. Janaan
6. gumshoe

We need to make a decision. The town gains nothing from a no lynch. We have 30 minutes.

Looking at the voting list, there's no way we can get a majority on anyone by EchelonTee or me. Make up your minds, or else Day 2 is going to be a mess.
Trust in Bayes.
trackd00r
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Chile284 Posts
February 18 2012 23:35 GMT
#397
Lynch time is approaching.
ET, I just hope that you keep posting good cases like that. Even though I disagree with MG lynch, your last posts are making up my mind. I'm going to unvote by now.

As for the candidates we have now, I think that our biggest option is DimmuKlok. Yes, it's been a while since you haven't posted good content. This post caught my attention:


On February 18 2012 14:27 DimmuKlok wrote:
I accidentally posted before I was finished. I will continue from where i left off.

I'm not actually sure what you meant by that, but nothing in that post was sarcasm. I'm was not bandwagoning when it came to gumshoe. He was one of my highest suspicions at the time of the post, and remains the highest on my list. For this reason I'm giving him my vote.

If there is anything I can do for you guys to help prove my innocence then feel free to post it.

##vote: gumshoe


Proving your innocence is something that you should be doing subconsciously when playing as town. You know that you are innocent, and that should be enough to show your confidence to us. I expect a mafia player trying to ask for help, but not a townie.

Your other posts were your defense against alderan, apologies and calling out lurkers. I think that scum is making it's best effort to hide your case, but as the lynch is coming, I have to cast a realistic vote that doesn't hurt the town.

##Unvote: EchelonTee
##Vote: DimmuKlok

The is a chance that I miss the lynch, but I'll try to not.
''They put signs, but I can't read''
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 18 2012 23:35 GMT
#398
I am quite sure that both of you arent scum. Can we get a switch to DYH? I will add my vote onto one of you guys if neccessary, but only to prevent a no lynch - as that would be disatrious.
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
February 18 2012 23:37 GMT
#399
I'd be willing to switch onto either DYH or DimmuKlok, but I think the only one we can actually get a majority on right now is DimmuKlok. If more people post to indicate that they're active, I would rather lynch DYH instead.
Trust in Bayes.
zelblade
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia901 Posts
February 18 2012 23:39 GMT
#400
Just filtered DimmuKlok. Wouldnt terribly mind lynching him.

Guys if you are here, please chime in. Dont bring up new candidates please. Also, those on gumshoe should switch since it seems like he wont be lynched if you are here. Its going to be hard to achieve a majority and we need every single one of you here, and if you are, vote for one of the four NOW.
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