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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:07 sandroba wrote: dunno know what to make of zeks claim, pretty sure mafia would claim in that spot. prpl you vote palmar you auto mafia good day sir. sandro let's save this town, yeah? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
do not let him become mayor. there i said it we need to get off of palmar because BC is going to sit on double lynches. if we kill palmar and we kill BC then we lose the double lynches, period. 1 mafia sacrificed for 3 DLs... great trade for them. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:08 layabout wrote: "which surprise surprise flipped town" im asking you to use logic and reason when you post the "dispute" with jackal was me pointing out that 100% was an exaggeration based on numbers, it was explained to me that it was based upon ideas about how GMmarshall likes to balance games, i criticised the "reasoning" used to argue for lynching of WBG but to me the arguements were god-aweful WBG may be scum but based on what we know i don't see how you could conclude that from what has been said Did you just edit my quote? You must have balls of steel to do that in the recent clusterfuck of rulebreaking we had. I think I have to report you. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:13 Steveling wrote: Did you just edit my quote? You must have balls of steel to do that in the recent clusterfuck of rulebreaking we had. I think I have to report you. stfu, it's not rule breaking. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:13 Steveling wrote: Did you just edit my quote? You must have balls of steel to do that in the recent clusterfuck of rulebreaking we had. I think I have to report you. Oh yeah, and Steveling is another one I'd like gone. Preferably through a vigi shot, lynches are too precious for someone like him. The reason is simple: he replaced this guy which was already scum in my eyes, and his posts have been mostly retarded bullshit(like this one here). there I said it | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
No too lazy and not like anyone listens to me. Be my guest though, I'd love if someone carry me this game. Besides, you owe me for defending you last game when you were scum for 2 days =P | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:11 annul wrote: BC is a member of the mafia. do not let him become mayor. there i said it we need to get off of palmar because BC is going to sit on double lynches. if we kill palmar and we kill BC then we lose the double lynches, period. 1 mafia sacrificed for 3 DLs... great trade for them. So with votes currently as they stand, who do you suggest voting for? Join the mass swap to supersoft? I think Palmar needs to get his triple vote off ace and zeks, because zeks is almost assuredly going down now and Ace is out. Palmar's triple vote is going to be key in who gets lynched. As it stands I don't see him using his triple on himself, and WBG/me are the only two who, if he put his vote on us, would overtake him at the moment. Then again, if he's really town he might try and persuade us to move over to someone like supersoft or xtfftc. People I feel are most likely to be scum at this point in time. xtfftc, hier, supersoft, prplhz, kenpachi, deconduo, blind-rawr, bloodycobbler, vaderseven, tree.hugger, StimilantE, Lanaia, Drazerk, Mattchew, Ciryandor, sandroba. I'm going to go through this list and make an analysis on each player now. Expect it in about an hour. See you then o/ Don't get too scared if you're on this list and you're town. I'm just building cases against you, and if you're town you'll be able to defend yourself. As it stands apparently a lot of people think I'm mafia. I'm writing up this analysis so people can look back if I get lynched and see it in a new light. Here's to hoping I'm right. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:17 Zephirdd wrote: Oh yeah, and Steveling is another one I'd like gone. Preferably through a vigi shot, lynches are too precious for someone like him. The reason is simple: he replaced this guy which was already scum in my eyes, and his posts have been mostly retarded bullshit(like this one here). there I said it What about from those who are likely to get lynched today? At the moment, there's zeks (~20); palmar, risen and wbg (~10 each); supersoft, myself, annul and serejai (~5 each)? It's very much likely that two of those will be lynched and you said Supersoft already, so do you reckon that one of the others is mafia? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Scum buddies much? | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I want to preface this with the fact that this analysis is going to be hard to follow. BC is a phenomenal player, and as such he is not going to make very many mistakes. However, like all scum, if he's attacking a townie you will be able to find small holes that would probably not exist if he was actually town. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hi Palmar. You wanted to trade 1 for 1 with ace, he flipped town. As such you should flip red. Yeah, he wanted a 1 for 1 trade with Ace. Unless Palmar has the gift of divinity he would never have seen the modkill coming. Up until that point I actually agreed with him; Ace's case on both myself and Palmar was terrible. I gave Ace a better chance to flip mafia than town at that point, but that was based on only 2-3 hours of him being around. That's barely enough time to consider for Ace, who is notorious/famous (take your pick) for having a style of play that is legitimately hard to read. However, when a good player immediately enters the thread with a bad argument, you tend to believe they are scum before you think they are town. If Palmar were scum and he knew Ace was town, I don't think he would ever agree to a 1 for 1 trade with Ace. That's just moronic, seeing as how Palmar knows himself that Ace will have more influence over the thread and more ability to get him lynched. Ace would win, and that would mean no trade would ever occur. Not even Palmar has enough balls to do that. This is not a logical reason for Palmar to be scum. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: IF HE IS A NULL READ YOU DO NOT LYNCH. You have no idea his alignment and are literally firing into a barrel hoping to hit a fish. Null reads + first day of clues are not how you lynch. A correct red lynch from these instances gives you absolutely nothing in terms of understanding how the clues work, on the people who vote for the lynch, on his scumbuddies etc.. You vote for people who are acting scummy in thread. People flip flopping their positions, blatent scum slipping, diverting lynches from solid targets to random people, etc.... You know this yet you vote off the first set of clues? ffs palmar. How is no one else seeing how blatant your being? BC why is it that you are only attacking Palmar on this but not anyone else? In this case Palmar is actually one of the only players to advance a proper reason for voting Zeks. Everyone else has just been sheeping. Zeks is, indeed, scummier than quite a few people, and I would put him on my scumlist. He's not the best choice, and I don't think we should be lynching solely based on clues, but there is analysis that exists to condemn Zeks. The problem is that no one is using it. BC's logic holds here but he blows up on Palmar despite plenty of other people doing exactly what he's describing. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Again you repeat that you are expecting to die, almost as if your fine with it. He flipped town and now your instantly backstepping your position. Blatant scum move to never intent on upholding a deal you had struck originally. It's because he knows most of the sheep in this town will follow Ace to the grave. Ace had an idea. It was wrong about at least me (I am town, not scum) and if that was possible I am certain it was possible (hell, even likely) that Ace was wrong about Palmar. You admit it yourself, you disagreed with Ace about me. Yet, you are hellbent on lynching Palmar. In fact, you are one of the only players in the thread who wants to lynch Palmar because he activated double lynch. I don't like the fact that Palmar changed his mind and activated double lynch either, but that isn't lynch-worthy. At best we should salvage the situation and use the double lynch to kill scum. Palmar is very unlikely to be one, IMO, at this point. Also, it's not a "scum-move" to not uphold the deal. No one in this game can divine alignment, so certainly if Ace and Palmar were both townies you'd end up with the exact situation you have now. You wouldn't even be able to tell the difference. Lynching Palmar based on this is not only disingenuous, it's moronic. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: A townie would realize his mistake and appear almost sorry for the mistake made instead you respond with Troll the game? He was being logical and playing his style straight up. Instantly pushing town objectives. But more importantly you said above zeks is a null read. From my perspective, at least, it certainly didn't seem like Ace was doing any good. If Palmar is town I can certainly see why he would say this about Ace. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Welcome to this post. He has done nothing to prove his alignment either way and has only 1 clue pointing at him.. THIS IS A NULL READ. You are literally doing exactly what you said you don't do. Jesus Palmar. If it wasn't for the fact you hid gems like this in giant posts near no one reads you you'd get away with it. Once you kill the few people who can read you might be able to just type your red alignment repeatedly in your long posts. This is the only thing that you actually have that can potentially go against Palmar. I disagree strongly with the Zeks lynch, as I think analysis-based lynch can take us further, but Zeks is not a bad lynch for today at all. Palmar is right in that there are multiple pieces of evidence that suggest he is scum. Out of context and individually they aren't strong, but together they are. A very good town player in Foolishness once said that it isn't about little things on their own, but little things pieced together for the big picture. You might be right in that we don't lynch on clues alone, or anything else alone for that matter, but you are wrong in that you cannot use these little things in conjunction with each other to lynch people. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Hey didn't above you expected to get lynched? That you wanted to 1v1 trade with ace? Now your saying you'd sub out like a bitch if he didn't get modkilled? Wheres that spirit for when annul edited a post? Editing posts is cheating regardless of the post, and without double counting the entire voting thread yourself you have no way of knowing if hes lying or not. As for calling me dumb? You are resulting to personal attacks now? Have nothing else to use on me. *claps* its always so thrilling to know that someone can't actually analyze you so instead pushes insults. The first part is completely irrelevant to the game, the second part is standard Palmar. There is nothing to see here. Annul should be modkilled, but this has no place in your analysis of Palmar. I don't recall Palmar ever making a public outcry and screaming in the thread that Ace should be modkilled (it only happened after the fact) so I don't see why the lack of outrage over what annul did is any indication of Palmar's alignment. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lynching you when you are red is clearly the best thing to do in the game. Clearing out scum from the elected positions is vitally important. Elected officials by nature have more sway in their posts. If you are scum and live you manipulate to many sheep voters that town cannot win. NOT pushing a lynch on you when you are believed to be scum on the basis "BC might be red" is fear mongering. Yes, it's true that lynching someone when they are red is the best thing to do. Except, BC, you actually have very little damning evidence that Palmar is going to flip the color you keep saying he's going to flip. Your logic is sound, but you have little to no evidence at all. Why are you not attacking other players for fear mongering? If fear mongering is a concern why are you choosing to attack Palmar over players like deconduo and Hier, who have pandered to fear far more than Palmar has? On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Anyone look above to my posts. He says here that he did not expect ace to be modkilled. Meanwhile he was going to force the hosts to choose between them as players. This is not the attitude of someone you want to keep alive. You asked EVERY MED to protect him rather than just say "sheriff jail this guy". Why ask for all meds to do a job when 1 player can protect fully for a night? He overlooked the sheriff power? I certainly did. If one person overlooked it, I'm sure more than one could. Why is it such a stretch for you to consider this? I haven't played many games with mayor+sheriff, only one. In that game we had a pardonner as #2 and the only power he had was to prevent someone from getting lynched. He was not a jailor. This game is different. I didn't notice that until you mentioned you could protect Ace. This is not a reason for Palmar to be scum. On November 30 2011 00:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I am taking off to work and wont be back till 1-3 hours before the lynch. When I come back I hope town has smartened up but if not, have fun diverting your lynch Palmar. You have a strong mafia play and are most likely going to win with it. I can do near nothing with this mass of sheep that instantly vote for the more baseless of lynches. To all you voting for zeks on the information people ahve provided so far this game. You are bad. There is no case, there is a "look over there he might be red get him" when on closer inspection the man telling you to go look at the potential red guy is wearing a red suit holding a sign saying that hes mafia. So if you are complaining about a mass of sheep who instantly vote for the more baseless of lynches... shouldn't that give you cause for worry when Palmar is the leading vote candidate? Indeed, the Zeks bandwagon is bad. But the Palmar bandwagon is just as bad, if not worse. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
That 1for1 trade is WIFOM and that is a terrible terrible argument for Palmar's innocence. Your buddying with him while distancing yourself from him has been going on all game long and it has been weird. I have no idea why you are defending him because one of the most townie players I have seen on this forum, is currently not acting very townie. Can you explain this? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On November 30 2011 04:25 xtfftc wrote: What about from those who are likely to get lynched today? At the moment, there's zeks (~20); palmar, risen and wbg (~10 each); supersoft, myself, annul and serejai (~5 each)? It's very much likely that two of those will be lynched and you said Supersoft already, so do you reckon that one of the others is mafia? I kinda get that people want zeks lynched because of that clue, but I'm not sure if it's the right choice. Any argument I can bring include an ongoing game, and it would be bad to talk about it until it ends. I'm pretty sure Palmar is town. WBG is being WBG and is probably town as well. Risen pushes zeks' lynch(which I disagree with), but I can see him as a town. I've had a few doubts about you, but I don't think you are scum. Not now at least. I'd have to look into it later on. Serejai is fucking retarded, but I've seen retarded town like that. annul is a null read at this point; some posts feels like he is town, some feels like he is scum. I hate that he posts quick-sucession oneliners, feels hard to follow; However he should be modkilled for editing if I'm not mistaken, right? Oh yeah, and wbg has his retardedly huge posts. I like that. I also think that BloodyC0bbler was a bit scummy(namely from his "LAL on a game of newbies is bad" post; but that could be just me disagreeing with him). | ||
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