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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 06 2014 03:33 GMT
#301
Yes. It would be too easy if people just went like "oh I like that idea about making an argument to catch scum" because then scum would be very cautious. So I took the initiative in hopes of catching some scum trying to bandwagon early without them being too cautious about it. I have a few other reads also but for the moment I will keep them to myself unless it comes up in a conversation since scum can jump easily onto other peoples reads.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 03:36 GMT
#302
Can you respond to suki's post then here:

On January 06 2014 10:15 suki wrote:
Hi everyone, let me just get right into this.

Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:47 TheChyz wrote:
Why so eager to have people help you achieve your goals? Maybe they don't agree with them. If onlywonderboy is right, then your rules help you if you are scum as well since you seem to be very active in which lynching lurkers would help your cause of staying alive. Also having people fight can cause confusion in the town. So I don't see a reason why people should just help you achieve your goals.


Let me get this straight. TheChyz is implying that Balla, by promoting an active town and "lynching" lurkers, helps Balla if he's scum.

What? I want to point out that nobody said anything about lynching lurkers at this point except TheChyz himself, who seems to be putting the words in Balla's mouth. Discouraging lurking is not scum play. It is a good idea to let everybody know from the start that lurking will be considered suspicious behaviour, because whether or not they are ultimately lynched for it, lurking is not helpful to town.

I find TheChyz's logic flawed, and I really don't like the way he misrepresented what Balla said and then accused him of scum motivations for that misrepresentation.

TheChyz please explain to us why discouraging (or even lynching) lurkers is beneficial to a scum Balla but not a townie Balla.

##vote TheChyz

TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 06 2014 03:52 GMT
#303
I have nothing to say to the question since I didn't actually mean what I had previously said (right near the start of game). Overall tho I liked his post response since it seems to have original thought put into it aswell as a vote. That reads more town to me and at the moment he and you (Balla) have been the most active so I have nothing to say negative about him atm since there are much better people to focus on atm.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:02 GMT
#304
Why did you react like this:

On January 06 2014 08:08 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote:
- to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out.


Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:35 TheChyz wrote:
I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part. If they are scum then that's an easy kill, if they are town they provide nothing helpful and might cause some confusion in finding actual scum.


Hi "nobody", I'm TheChyz.



To

On January 06 2014 08:02 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 07:55 Asuna wrote:
On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote:
@Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post?

If you mean the one that's basically kill the quiet people, sounds like every mafia game I've ever played.


I'm just trying to gauge how people play... it's certainly pretty generic and you can't read to deep into it. But some people would analyze it very hard.

For example: He seems to be agreeing with something that nobody said, which hints that he wasn't carefully reading ("I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part")


Then. I find it hard to believe that you that you purposefully were misreading what I was saying and, as suki said "putting words into my mouth".

Seems like you're trying to backtrack.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:03 GMT
#305
And again, I want to clarify that this: by just lynching them for the most part is the part i was concerned about.
TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
January 06 2014 04:11 GMT
#306
I knew I had to go afk and I was pretty confident some trolly remark would be able to stir up some more people trying to bandwagon me. The way I see it is that if worst case scenario I get lynched off first day that I am pretty confident I can help narrow down who the scum really is. I don't know why you are so concerned about that when I just told you that I was saying things to stir an argument. You can choose to believe that I was either backtracking or not.

Since it seems its only us two, what are your opinions on Day_Walker so far?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:17 GMT
#307
Leaning scum. Like I said I don't like the type of post he made, and even though its not inherently scummy, it's anti-town. However, I don't like how he picks on you for not answering my question. That's really easy to pick on, since it's REALLY common for people to miss questions.

I also don't like his reasoning for the town read on dragoon...

On January 06 2014 11:33 Day_Walker wrote:

Not afraid of get into disagreements, and willing to stand up to the people he accuses (at least until he left the thread. Hmm) . Doesn't seem like cautious scum play.



Of course you're going to stand up to the people you accuse... this seems REALLY forced. "Doesn't seem like cautious scum play", what does this even mean?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 04:36 GMT
#308
@Day_Walker: Why did you leave suki off your list? You clearly included her in some of the reasoning, but didn't post a section for her....
probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 06 2014 05:16 GMT
#309
On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote:
Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.

I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason.

I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages.

Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though.
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:20 GMT
#310
On January 06 2014 14:16 Asuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote:
Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.

I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason.

I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages.

Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though.


So what's your take on TheChyz's claim that he was purposefully acting scummy to find people who would bandwagon on him? Do you believe it, why or why not?
probuLing
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States75 Posts
January 06 2014 05:24 GMT
#311
On January 06 2014 14:20 Balla24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2014 14:16 Asuna wrote:
On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote:
Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.

I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason.

I'm just concise with my answers. I was asked pretty direct and narrowish questions so I gave pretty direct and narrowish answers. Also keeping track of everything in forum mafia is surprisingly different, so hopefully I didn't miss anything I'm supposed to be replying to from the last couple of pages.

Basically I've played a bit of mafia, am probably terrible at reading people, but TheChyz does seem a bit fishy for the reasons Day_Walker said. Might be too early to tell though.


So what's your take on TheChyz's claim that he was purposefully acting scummy to find people who would bandwagon on him? Do you believe it, why or why not?

I don't really see how that can do anything other than fog things up for the town, so it seems scummy either way.
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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:39 GMT
#312
Gotta agree with that,it definitely fogs thing up, but it also gives us something to talk about.

However, let's think about it from both perspectives... From a scum perspective, 2 options: 1. You accidentally got yourself in a hard to get out of situation, so instead of trying to reason your way out of it you call it fake to backtrack. 2. You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to ultimately gain weak town cred.

From town perspective: You are deliberately putting yourself under suspicion to scumhunt.

Both scum situations seem really weird to do... #1 because it should be really easy to reason your way out of the situation he is as scum (at least imo) or at least backtrack by admitting fault etc.. #2 just seems weird... it's like..."ima be scummy so that i can try to discredit a townie and by doing so become more townie myself"

Town perspective also seems weird... for me, the small amount of scumhunting he's done to follow it up (so far) makes me lean more towards scum on him rather than town, but we'll have to see how he follows it up more. For example though, I have no real idea why you chose Day_walker to go after rather than the other's who went after you, like suki, myself, sidesprang etc...

theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 06 2014 05:45 GMT
#313
Acting scummy on purpose is a bit of a stupid plan for a townie, all it does is put a target on your back and force you to defend yourself early, you might get a little insight into how people are reacting to it but it's a really risky move. A risk that a regular townie with no powers should be willing to make.

A mafia putting his name out there this early is a bad plan if enough people jump on the bandwagon. I'm conflicted, all TheChyz has done is create confusion. If enough people get off the bandwagon and he turns out to be a mafia, then he's won and the risk he took with putting his name out there would be totally worth it.

Whether or not it's true that TheChyz was telling the truth about the whole act like a scum thing, all it's really done is create confusion among the town.

##Vote: TheChyz
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:51 GMT
#314
@theDragoon: What do you think about Day_walker's reads, particularly his read on you
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 05:58 GMT
#315
On January 06 2014 09:55 theDragoon wrote:
Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz.


Also, I still want to know who you were referring to when you said "Random accusations seem suspicious as well".
theDragoon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada307 Posts
January 06 2014 06:13 GMT
#316
@Balla24

About the random accusation thing, a bunch of people started ##voting random people. It's my first time playing this so I'm assuming doing that in the thread that early in the game just seems really random to me when there isn't much information to go on. I assume that by ##voting that they are serious with those accusations, so excuse me if doing that randomly in the thread is something that's very common and isn't meant to be taken 100% serious.

Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 06 2014 06:19 GMT
#317
I'll be here for a few hours.

Suki - Balla's not clogging the thread at all. His posts have a purpose we have sub 100 posts in the first 8 hours. You're the person clogging the thread complaining about his actions.

Balla - I was out with the gf all day. I'll be here a while and more active around deadlines in the future.

Chyz - could be scum but i doubt it at this point.

owb - if he doesn't post more this game I want to lynch him day 1. I'm sick of it. He's completely competent and has enough time to read 4 pages of the thread when he can keep up with LOLDG and LOLOTGD which average 200-300 posts a day.

Gonna reread the thread. I skimmed in order to catch up and get this post out saying I'm here.
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 06 2014 06:21 GMT
#318
On January 06 2014 15:13 theDragoon wrote:
@Balla24

About the random accusation thing, a bunch of people started ##voting random people. It's my first time playing this so I'm assuming doing that in the thread that early in the game just seems really random to me when there isn't much information to go on. I assume that by ##voting that they are serious with those accusations, so excuse me if doing that randomly in the thread is something that's very common and isn't meant to be taken 100% serious.

Also, on Day_Walker he seems to have good intentions.Calling out TheChyz as the only possible scum on the list seems like a bandwagon hop to me but TheChyz has been suspicious so it's something I agree with. His read on me I find is a bit unnecessary and does not really prove that I am a townie. I'm sure everyone playing this game is not afraid to disagree and standing up for yourself is something everyone does. He might just be including me on the list because I've posted a bit but his reasoning behind me as a townie really has no foundation.



You're not saying anything with authority. You're hesitant and making excuses throughout that post. What are your opinions so far?

I don't care how other people feel about you or if it's your first game. That doesn't matter.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 06:25 GMT
#319
damn it Jonny I just turned off my computer haha
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 06 2014 06:29 GMT
#320
I would feel really bad lynching owb day 1 tt... I'm the one who urged him to play... but I think he'll shape up this game after how last game turned out, and it still seems like he genuinely wants to improve.
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