Are policy debates generally considered to be distracting? I find analyzing people's opinions on policy and trying to find scum based on that more productive than just lynching lurkers.

I guess it depends on the specific issue. Fair point sir

sidesprang

Norway1033 Posts

January 05 2014 23:16 GMT

#262

Oh, Balla not Bella, sorry. And I got mad cause people wrote my name wrong last game :O

Anyhow, regarding the lurker situation, I will +1 Balla's idea. As long as we get everyone to contribute in some way it will make the game so much easier.

But for my experience lurkers are not more mafia than town, my last game two lurkers got modkilled day 3 and they were both town, so we should push them to contribute and not blindly lynch them because of it. If we get to the end of day1 and we have no strong scumreads I can support a lurkerlynch just because that could be the best option. But untill then I won't be talking about lynching lurkers.

chinstrap

United Kingdom253 Posts

January 05 2014 23:17 GMT

#263

On January 06 2014 08:16 sidesprang wrote:
Oh, Balla not Bella, sorry. And I got mad cause people wrote my name wrong last game :O

Anyhow, regarding the lurker situation, I will +1 Balla's idea. As long as we get everyone to contribute in some way it will make the game so much easier.

But for my experience lurkers are not more mafia than town, my last game two lurkers got modkilled day 3 and they were both town, so we should push them to contribute and not blindly lynch them because of it. If we get to the end of day1 and we have no strong scumreads I can support a lurkerlynch just because that could be the best option. But untill then I won't be talking about lynching lurkers.

Could not agree more with the entirety of this post

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 05 2014 23:23 GMT

#264

Let's hear some opinions on some people. Sidesprang what do you think of OWB and thechyz so far? etc etc

Be analytical. I'm already feeling a bit weird with thechyz but it's preliminary obviously and i'm waiting for him to post some more.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 05 2014 23:38 GMT

#265

Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP.

I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason.

chinstrap

United Kingdom253 Posts

January 05 2014 23:42 GMT

#266

Well we only have posts from 6 people of 13. So we shall see what happens.

Of the remaining 7 everyone should be well aware that remaining inactive looks very scummy. Its a 48 hour day cycle so there is plenty of time.

chinstrap

United Kingdom253 Posts

January 05 2014 23:47 GMT

#267

My reads on the initial are:

Balla24 is towny as hell assuming continuation of current activity levels (hence ##Unvote

onlywonderboy: Leaning town unless his initial post is some next level scum play

TheChyz: Strangly defensive but that doesnt have to mean scum, probably most questionable so far

sidesprang: While I totally agreed with his post it is somewhat meaningless policy in my opinion (very straightforward post as scum) hence why i find policy debates distracting

Asuna: No real read we'll see how activity / posting patterns continue

chinstrap

United Kingdom253 Posts

January 05 2014 23:53 GMT

#268

Although lets be honest who cares what my opinions are, you guys don't need reads on me. Share your opinions so people can get reads on each other or look scummy as fuck hiding them.

As confirmed town I feel like I have far more use throwing my vote around somewhat trollishly than sharing my true opinions until I have something more concrete:

##Vote: TheChyz

sidesprang

Norway1033 Posts

January 05 2014 23:59 GMT

#269

On January 06 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote:
Let's hear some opinions on some people. Sidesprang what do you think of OWB and thechyz so far? etc etc

Be analytical. I'm already feeling a bit weird with thechyz but it's preliminary obviously and i'm waiting for him to post some more.

@ onlywonderboy

atm he is just null for me. from his PoV he has only stated obvious things so far. It not really contributing atm, but its to early to fault him for that. And he does say he is going to more active and contribute with meaningfull analysis, so as long as he atleast tries to do this we should be able to read him in the future.

@ thechyz,

I don't like him atm. In his first post he says he agrees with you and dont mind lynching lurkers to discourage lurking. But then in his second post he says he see no reason to why people should help you achivieving that same agenda he just agreed with. Feels very much like a contradiction to me.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 00:07 GMT

#270

On Thechyz: The contradiction point is interesting.... I would actually attribute that more to genuinely wanting to start some conversation by having some contradiction early on. Not sure if that was his intention though. We'll see.

chinstrap

United Kingdom253 Posts

January 06 2014 00:11 GMT

#271

Going to watch this 4th quarter then hit the hay.

See you guys on the other side, happy scum hunting.

theDragoon

Canada307 Posts

January 06 2014 00:55 GMT

#272

Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 00:59 GMT

#273

Playing IRL with friends is going to be a lot of different than this game. Just saying.

Why do you think my "accusations" are random?

theDragoon

Canada307 Posts

January 06 2014 01:02 GMT

#274

On January 06 2014 09:59 Balla24 wrote:
Playing IRL with friends is going to be a lot of different than this game. Just saying.

Why do you think my "accusations" are random?

I didn't call you out for random accusations, I was referring to being very vocal and trying to take control right at the start, something the bad guys tend to do, in my experience.

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 01:03 GMT

#275

So who are you referring to when you say "random accusations"

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 06 2014 01:15 GMT

#276

Hi everyone, let me just get right into this.

On January 06 2014 07:47 TheChyz wrote:
Why so eager to have people help you achieve your goals? Maybe they don't agree with them. If onlywonderboy is right, then your rules help you if you are scum as well since you seem to be very active in which lynching lurkers would help your cause of staying alive. Also having people fight can cause confusion in the town. So I don't see a reason why people should just help you achieve your goals.

Let me get this straight. TheChyz is implying that Balla, by promoting an active town and "lynching" lurkers, helps Balla if he's scum.

What? I want to point out that nobody said anything about lynching lurkers at this point except TheChyz himself, who seems to be putting the words in Balla's mouth. Discouraging lurking is not scum play. It is a good idea to let everybody know from the start that lurking will be considered suspicious behaviour, because whether or not they are ultimately lynched for it, lurking is not helpful to town.

I find TheChyz's logic flawed, and I really don't like the way he misrepresented what Balla said and then accused him of scum motivations for that misrepresentation.

TheChyz please explain to us why discouraging (or even lynching) lurkers is beneficial to a scum Balla but not a townie Balla.

##vote TheChyz

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 01:21 GMT

#277

In the meantime, while waiting for something else to happen in regards to Chyz..

##vote JonnyLaw

I would have expected you to enter the thread already. If you're here, let's get the chemistry we had last game going. The game start time has been known for a while and i believe you're generally active during this time. If not, then get here!

suki

Canada1159 Posts

January 06 2014 01:26 GMT

#278

Dragoon, can you please elaborate specifically about why you chose Balla, sidesprang and TheChyz as the three who seem most suspicious to you?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 01:40 GMT

#279

On January 06 2014 10:02 theDragoon wrote:

Show nested quote +

I didn't call you out for random accusations, I was referring to being very vocal and trying to take control right at the start, something the bad guys tend to do, in my experience.

Would you prefer not to have any type of vocal person? I'm sorry but how do you expect to win this game unless the town is vocal? Sure you still can't trust me but would you rather i just sit back and not try to get any reads on people?

At least you can read me... since i'm being vocal I have to constantly give reasonings for not only my actions but my reads. From there you can see whether or not it makes sense from a town perspective or from a mafia POV and that's up to you. That is completely UN-indicative of alignment.

So let's talk about why you're seemingly trying to shut me up or discredit me right off the bat? Am i leading us in a bad direction?

Balla24

2322 Posts

January 06 2014 01:42 GMT

#280

What's up with people posting and dis-appearing right after? Having conversations in this game is the best way to get reads off people and move in a proper direction. Please make time to actually sit in the thread and talk to people.