EPTYou clogging up the thread by continuing to push every single person for a response is not a helpful way to create activity.
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suki
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You clogging up the thread by continuing to push every single person for a response is not a helpful way to create activity. | ||
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Balla24
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Do you think these really need time to formulate responses to? On January 06 2014 10:03 Balla24 wrote: So who are you referring to when you say "random accusations" I mean I totally understand having to go away from the thread, that's fine. I'm just pushing for these conversations to last a little longer. I'm not frustrated, don't take it the wrong way. Just trying to set a standard... eventually it'll be clear whether people can adhere or not to it, but I think you'll agree with me that a high standard is important (albeit the game can still be won without it). | ||
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I'm going to hold off on any reads on OWB until he starts posting some analysis. | ||
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Balla24
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Anyways, him attempting to pocket me isn't really something i see him doing from my experience with him. | ||
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suki
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Just realize that clogging up the thread is not beneficial to town, that's all I wanted to say. I'll leave it at this for now, if that's alright with you. | ||
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Balla24
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Sure some of the comments about people dissapearing and what not can be seen as unhelpful (and thus clogging up the thread) to experienced players. But there are clearly some new forum mafia players in this game that we will need to bring up to speed. You might say this conversation itself is clogging up the thread (which I do deem it so, to an extent, but it needs to be had if you're going to continue to disagree with me on this), but I find it really weird that you are trying to make me lower my activity. If there's something specific that's "clogging up the thread" then let me know and i'll stop. | ||
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Day_Walker
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Balla24 - Town + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 07:29 Balla24 wrote: Who's gonna help me create a tough environment for mafia to hide in & help me lynch some mafia? If so, how do you suggest we proceed in day 1? My top priorities are - to start the game at a very high pace, to make sure that lurking is not only discouraged but also easy to spot and call out. - immediately start some conversation by having some arguments (this is where its a bit tricky), we need people to fos right away when they feel off about somebody so that we can start reading each other. I didn't like this post at first, because trying to manufacture arguments for their own sake seems like a good way to get townies to fight each other. But Balla24 followed up with posts like this: On January 06 2014 07:44 Balla24 wrote: @Asuna how do you feel about TheChyz's entry post? which is creating discussion, not argument. I think posts like this are a great way to stimulate discussion, hear other people's reads, and get your own reads on the answerer. I also got a good impression from these posts: On January 06 2014 08:23 Balla24 wrote: Let's hear some opinions on some people. Sidesprang what do you think of OWB and thechyz so far? etc etc Be analytical. I'm already feeling a bit weird with thechyz but it's preliminary obviously and i'm waiting for him to post some more. On January 06 2014 09:07 Balla24 wrote: On Thechyz: The contradiction point is interesting.... I would actually attribute that more to genuinely wanting to start some conversation by having some contradiction early on. Not sure if that was his intention though. We'll see. The first post has more good discussion prompting, but what I really like is that Balla24 tentatively went after TheChyz, then eased up in a later post. This feels more like a townie who isn't sure of people's roles than a scum who already knows the good (non-scum) lynch targets. TheChyz - Scum + Show Spoiler + He starts off suggesting that we lynch lurkers: On January 06 2014 07:35 TheChyz wrote: I agree with lurking to be discouraged by just lynching them for the most part. If they are scum then that's an easy kill, if they are town they provide nothing helpful and might cause some confusion in finding actual scum. I agree that we want to discourage lurking, but I think his post is a lot less level-headed and a lot more lynch-happy than these next two posts, which I liked: On January 06 2014 08:16 sidesprang wrote: Oh, Balla not Bella, sorry. And I got mad cause people wrote my name wrong last game :O Anyhow, regarding the lurker situation, I will +1 Balla's idea. As long as we get everyone to contribute in some way it will make the game so much easier. But for my experience lurkers are not more mafia than town, my last game two lurkers got modkilled day 3 and they were both town, so we should push them to contribute and not blindly lynch them because of it. If we get to the end of day1 and we have no strong scumreads I can support a lurkerlynch just because that could be the best option. But untill then I won't be talking about lynching lurkers. On January 06 2014 08:13 onlywonderboy wrote: Are policy debates generally considered to be distracting? I find analyzing people's opinions on policy and trying to find scum based on that more productive than just lynching lurkers. I agree with other people's reads that TheChyz's response to Balla24 was fishy, and as Suki said, put words in Balla24's mouth: On January 06 2014 10:15 suki wrote: Hi everyone, let me just get right into this. Let me get this straight. TheChyz is implying that Balla, by promoting an active town and "lynching" lurkers, helps Balla if he's scum. What? I want to point out that nobody said anything about lynching lurkers at this point except TheChyz himself, who seems to be putting the words in Balla's mouth. Discouraging lurking is not scum play. It is a good idea to let everybody know from the start that lurking will be considered suspicious behaviour, because whether or not they are ultimately lynched for it, lurking is not helpful to town. I find TheChyz's logic flawed, and I really don't like the way he misrepresented what Balla said and then accused him of scum motivations for that misrepresentation. TheChyz please explain to us why discouraging (or even lynching) lurkers is beneficial to a scum Balla but not a townie Balla. ##vote TheChyz Also, I personally found it suspicious that TheChyz didn't respond to Balla24's question even though TheChyz was active at the time: On January 06 2014 08:08 TheChyz wrote: Hi "nobody", I'm TheChyz. onlywonderboy - Town + Show Spoiler + His posts have been pretty vanilla town - nothing a good scum coudn't fake, but I do get the vibe of someone who is reasonable and pro-town. I especially liked this post: On January 06 2014 07:54 onlywonderboy wrote: I don't feel like the IC should just have free reign to mess around. We know he's not scum but I still felt the need to say why his read may be off. I know you're all about hunting scum, but there's value in not sparking early suspicion on people who may be town. My main goal this game is to be more active and contribute meaningful analysis to the town. This may seem basic, but I've failed at it the last couple games so I'm hoping to actually follow through with it this time. I think his point about the IC is a good one, and the fact that he is willing to disagree with the IC makes him seem less like a defensive scum and more like an honest townie. Sidesprang - Town + Show Spoiler + As I said TheChyz's section, I liked this post of his: On January 06 2014 08:16 sidesprang wrote: Oh, Balla not Bella, sorry. And I got mad cause people wrote my name wrong last game :O Anyhow, regarding the lurker situation, I will +1 Balla's idea. As long as we get everyone to contribute in some way it will make the game so much easier. But for my experience lurkers are not more mafia than town, my last game two lurkers got modkilled day 3 and they were both town, so we should push them to contribute and not blindly lynch them because of it. If we get to the end of day1 and we have no strong scumreads I can support a lurkerlynch just because that could be the best option. But untill then I won't be talking about lynching lurkers. I agree with chinstrap's post On January 06 2014 08:47 chinstrap wrote: My reads on the initial are: Balla24 is towny as hell assuming continuation of current activity levels (hence ##Unvote onlywonderboy: Leaning town unless his initial post is some next level scum play TheChyz: Strangly defensive but that doesnt have to mean scum, probably most questionable so far sidesprang: While I totally agreed with his post it is somewhat meaningless policy in my opinion (very straightforward post as scum) hence why i find policy debates distracting Asuna: No real read we'll see how activity / posting patterns continue that this is an easy scum post, but encouraging participation is still a pro-town thing to do, so I'm inclined to give sidesprang the benefit of the doubt. Asune - Town + Show Spoiler + All of his statements have been been pretty vanilla, but I do like his responsiveness to questions: e.g. On January 06 2014 07:55 Asuna wrote: If you mean the one that's basically kill the quiet people, sounds like every mafia game I've ever played. So, call this a very weak town read. theDragoon - Town + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2014 09:55 theDragoon wrote: Guys, this is very difficult compared to mafia IRL. But if I'm to go with my experience playing with friends, the most vocal people at the start who try to take control of the game tend to be mafia. Random accusations seem suspicious as well, so based on what's been posted so far, my eye is on Balla24, sidesprang and TheChyz. On January 06 2014 10:02 theDragoon wrote: I didn't call you out for random accusations, I was referring to being very vocal and trying to take control right at the start, something the bad guys tend to do, in my experience. Not afraid of get into disagreements, and willing to stand up to the people he accuses (at least until he left the thread. Hmm) . Doesn't seem like cautious scum play. chinstrap - Scum + Show Spoiler + Notice how he will never let you pull on his beard. I think this is because he is scum wearing a Lenin mask. The real Vladimir Lenin is probably locked in chinstrap's basement So those are my thoughts. I was pretty liberal with the block-quoting inside the spoilers. If you think I went over the top with that, let me know. Also @Balla24 On January 06 2014 10:42 Balla24 wrote: What's up with people posting and dis-appearing right after? Having conversations in this game is the best way to get reads off people and move in a proper direction. Please make time to actually sit in the thread and talk to people. I'm probably going to be guilty of this, making big posts like the one above and then leaving. If you ask me direction questions like you've been asking other people, that may help me sprinkle in some smaller posts when I have time to sit in the thread and discuss things. | ||
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Balla24
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Onto what you actually said: On January 06 2014 11:33 Day_Walker wrote: I didn't like this post at first, because trying to manufacture arguments for their own sake seems like a good way to get townies to fight each other. What do you mean by this, similar to what I asked thechyz, can you elaborate? I find it interesting cause you seemingly said a very similar thing to chyz but are suspicious of him for not answering my question about it... | ||
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suki
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On January 06 2014 10:21 Balla24 wrote: In the meantime, while waiting for something else to happen in regards to Chyz.. ##vote JonnyLaw I would have expected you to enter the thread already. If you're here, let's get the chemistry we had last game going. The game start time has been known for a while and i believe you're generally active during this time. If not, then get here! On January 06 2014 10:42 Balla24 wrote: What's up with people posting and dis-appearing right after? Having conversations in this game is the best way to get reads off people and move in a proper direction. Please make time to actually sit in the thread and talk to people. I don't want you to lower your activity, I just don't want to have to read these kinds of posts for the rest of the game. Fair enough? | ||
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Balla24
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suki
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On January 06 2014 08:38 Balla24 wrote: Thread is dying fast... need backup ASAP. I also am not too fond of Asuna's entry, but there's nothing really scummy about it. I just feel you have opportunities to enlighten me about yourself and your opinions but you are hiding behind one liners for some reason. These kind of things don't need to be pointed out. The thread isn't 'dying', people just aren't on, and pointing out that people aren't on is just spamming the thread. Again, I don't want to fight with you over this, it's pointless and in the end it's a matter of playstyle preference. Other than these specific examples you have been actively promoting discussion which I find very good, so can we agree to just drop this? | ||
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TheChyz
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I don't really like Day_Walkers entrance since basically he just gives us a list and then says that he leaves. From my personal experience I tend to give lists a lot when I am mafia and post very little. There is no reason to provide a list unless you have to (getting lynched, etc) imo. He is also the only one that seems to kinda still ride the end of the "vote chyz" bandwagon and then labels everybody else as town. Seems like a very safe move. If you think I'm scum why not put your vote where your mouth is? Don't like him very much at the moment and would like to hear more from him apart from the "agreeing with ..." slogan that you seem to use so very much. ##Vote: Day_Walker | ||
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Balla24
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