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HotZhot
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Colombia677 Posts
March 12 2008 01:56 GMT
#3081
ROFL, im not so good at reading clues and I got some suspects wrong, but last lynch would caugh another mafia. Anyway GG and props to you guys. ISO: Re k thx.
I only smile in the darK [] sAviOr//JaeDong Fan 4 Ever ~ CJ Entusman # 7
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
March 12 2008 01:58 GMT
#3082
On March 12 2008 10:16 CDRdude wrote:
Chuiu, as for game update times, please make it longer than 24 hours.

FWIW, I vote for no more than 24. As long as most people are voting most of the time, it doesn't matter if people miss occasional votes, so why drag out the game?

To Empyrean or other Mafioso, I'm very curious: Was Shallow[bay] a maverick or were the Dr. Dragoon episode and/or his pointing to the "iaaagh" clue part of the plan?
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
goldenkrnboi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3104 Posts
March 12 2008 02:03 GMT
#3083
*sigh*. at least 4 of mafia were people i've been trying to get people to lynch all game.
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
March 12 2008 02:05 GMT
#3084
Did any paramedics ever actually do something useful?
My list of protection was as follows:

Night 1: SoMuchBetter (I would have watched FS here, but he was voted mayor)
Night 2: Falcynn (in retrospect, I think this is funny because he was a veteran)
Night 3: Live2Win (He never returned the favor, what a douche )
Night 4: HotZhot (I was going to watch over Alventenie, but I decided to go with what was known )

Not once did I actually help. Wow, do I ever suck (but I did start the bandwagon rolling on lynching to miss the mark, IIRC that saved L2W's life)
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
March 12 2008 02:07 GMT
#3085
On March 12 2008 10:58 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2008 10:16 CDRdude wrote:
Chuiu, as for game update times, please make it longer than 24 hours.

FWIW, I vote for no more than 24. As long as most people are voting most of the time, it doesn't matter if people miss occasional votes, so why drag out the game?

To Empyrean or other Mafioso, I'm very curious: Was Shallow[bay] a maverick or were the Dr. Dragoon episode and/or his pointing to the "iaaagh" clue part of the plan?


As far as I know, he was just acting out. Very dumb move on his part. I'm really interested in what he has to say.
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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
March 12 2008 02:09 GMT
#3086
He was obviously trying to shift suspicion off of him ;-p (The iaaagh part)
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
March 12 2008 02:11 GMT
#3087
A question to the mafia: why didn't any of you run for mayor? Did you not realize that a mafioso could run for mayor, or were you trying to lay low? Or was there another reason of which I am unaware.
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16986 Posts
March 12 2008 02:18 GMT
#3088
On March 12 2008 11:11 CDRdude wrote:
A question to the mafia: why didn't any of you run for mayor? Did you not realize that a mafioso could run for mayor, or were you trying to lay low? Or was there another reason of which I am unaware.


My theory is that we didn't want to being any undue suspicion to ourselves. Once all the candidates for mayor were dead, if one of us were still alive, it'd be pretty suspicion. However, if there are only two candidates alive and neither of them were mafia, it would be highly suspicious - we'd be basically assured that one of them would get lynched in the following days, giving us more time to strategically kill people. We'd pick targets that one of the suspects has directly opposed in previous pages, casting lots of suspicions on that candidate.
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
March 12 2008 02:19 GMT
#3089
Oh god i knew quesadilla was mafia. After seeing the "standing proxi clue" and his profile saying "real men proxi" i knew it lol.

Well played mafia.
sAviOr...
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 12 2008 02:19 GMT
#3090
Well now that is all over I'd would like to apologize to Chicken~ for murdering him. My reason was he single handedly got nightmare voted dead the second night. (He provided about the only evidence against him and everybody band wagoned.

I got imderek though so I feel that overall I didn't botch up the killings too much. (Although originally I wanted to murder wurm the night before I killed chicken~ (forgot why) But luckily chuiu missed my pm. Well guess it doesn't matter town still lost.
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 12 2008 02:21 GMT
#3091
CLUES! Any differences in the clues posted here to the ones in the day posts are due to last minute editing which didn't get transfered back to my original copy in the txt files I have. Also, we don't do red herrings, we find that the creative process of making a story creates enough red herrings for people to deal with. One example was kicking, I like people kicking shit, it was something that didn't point to anyone though.

+ Show Spoiler [day one] +
The moon was fresh in the sky this eerily cold evening in the town of Liquidia, and the town quiet, not so much as a mouse stirring.(imDerek)

A mafia had been infesting the quiet town for the past decade taking up positions of importance and gaining trust through misguided joy (to miss the mark) and position.(Empyrean)

Chuiu had just finished writing his speech to be given out the following morning in the town square before the time for festivities of love (valentine) when he heard the terrible roar of noise and footsteps (Quesadilla).
As for the Valentine clue, it was just before valentines day so I put that clue in there in the hopes that people would find it to be a true clue later on in the game and think it was nothing when I posted it.

He stuttered, trying to find words "I ... ju ... only DapperDan and I know of your treachery so far ... I fear I'm short of finding help"(kf91).

One of the mafia kicked down on one side of his chest, his muddy boots sliding off almost causing him to lose balance.(fen)

A few of them laughed but one of them cut the laughter short, scolding them for their immature actions.(MyHeroNoob)

Chuiu looked up once again to see his executioner, "You're never going to be trusted iaaagh"(Unforgiven_ve) the knife pierced his throat quickly, in seconds he was dead.

Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker"(zdd), he said as he aimed the gun for DapperDan's head.

"That was low, even for you"(ShaLLoW[baY]) said another mafia. "Who cares where I stab him, all is fair" he protested, cleaning the knife as he turned around to face the other.

They needed not be quick, though, with more than a few hours (eti307) to spare they moved the bodies to the town square.

As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended,(dancefayedance!~) and they departed as a group to get much needed rest for the day to come.

+ Show Spoiler [day two] +
A chair was conveniently located in the corner as Mahnini was thrust into it and held down with great strength. (Quesadilla)

The other man grabbed a small needle out of his coat pocket and slowly injected the strange syrem into Mahnini. "This may take a couple seconds before it begins working ... ah there we go". (vharox)

He quickly gained control of himself, however, and began to free himself from the grasp of the other mafia, but no sooner had Mahnini freed his hand did he die to the snapping of his neck. (Quesadilla)

"Shame, we'll have to find another it seems" said the other man as they returned home, their quota filled for the night. (vharox)

One stayed out, cutting the phone lines, preparing for the case that the residents may make an emergency phone call. [fen]
This paragraph was DapperDan's, ask him for clarification if you need it.

The powers overseeing [empyrean] did not have first-rate plans for the residents of Krohms house on this night.

evanthebouncy! had his backed turn when he was attacked by a killer of the most precise control [kf91].
I guess DapperDan saw kf91 as being something technical or something, and related it to precision or robotic type clues.

This man had no intentions of absolving himself [unforgiven] stealing sleeping bags was not the worst he had prepared.

A little more than a few hours later (eti307) kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.

artofmagic, immediately sensing danger, tried to rush past them but was met with his end quite quickly as he was sliced in two. "Dead people don't leave" said one of the mafia as he lightly chuckled to himself and moved back to block off the door.(zdd)

The other mafia kicked him to the floor, while grabbing a loaded gun on the table he said "nothing is wrong until you start saying it is" and ended kAra's life with a single bullet. (imderek)

+ Show Spoiler [day three] +
I don't remember why day 3 lacked more clues, oh well it was an awesome one anyway
"Be a real man and come and open it yourself" was his response.(quesadilla)

Yogurt made his way to one of the exits at the bottom of the theatre where two men stood in his way, one dressed strangely(kf91) and the other with purpose in his eyes(vharox).

A man with a knife smiling back at him. He gleefully stabbed Wizard in the stomach and left him to die as he backed up to the door to guard it once more.(to miss the mark)

Seraphim jumped to the left, to the right, and back trying everything he could to get past this man but he met every move with speed and grace.(dancefeydance)

Before the man could finish him off he looked up at him and said "you will have to answer for this to god".(unforgiven)

"Its sad when a noble heart loses strength" said the mafia as he stabbed Puosu in the heart.(imDerek)

+ Show Spoiler [day four] +
As the clock came past 3:00am (eti307) they got started with the deeds.

Over in Mini Moose 2707's room where he was sound asleep with his stuffed rabbit (unforgiven) a mafia kicked down the door waking him immediately.

He jumped to his feet and just stood there with a blank look on his face as the mafia pranced around him stabbing him all over.(dancefayedance!~)

In response wurm spat in the mans face and the other mafia holding him down gave him a brutal blow to his side saying "You will respect my friend here, he serves a greater purpose" and resumed his work restraining him.(quesadilla)

"Ah shame, another failed test, I feel we're getting closer though, my friend". (vharox)

The knocked over man fired several shots many of them missing (to miss the mark) but the other man caught up with him after JeeJee slipped on some mud on the ground.(fen)

A sweet floral scent entered his nostrils before JeeJee's life was ended by a gunshot to the head. (fen)

Aepplet was on his cellphone dialing 911 but was cut short when his hand was pulled away from the phone rather abruptly,(kf91) he was raised into the air with ease and sliced clean in half,(zdd)

Amber[LighT] was almost to the entrance before being intercepted by a strangely dressed man, he pulled out a sword and because thrusting and slicing away until Amber[LighT] was finally dead did he say 'Lay here in the earth, may violets spring from your unpolluted flesh'.(imDerek)

This gave chicken` time to close and latch the door to the cellar, quite confident he escaped he ran towards his car parked out front. As he turned the corner around the house a man came out of the brush and viciously beat him to the ground.(randombum)

+ Show Spoiler [day five] +
"I have some investigations of my own, my dear sir" said the man as he took a step back to wait for the drug to take effect.(vharox)

Alventenie's skin started bubbling and his veins were growing, he was in obvious horrific pain as he tried lunging back and forth in the chair to escape, but to no effect, the man holding him down proxy to the other mafia administering the tests was much stronger by comparison.(quesadilla)

But he noticed some rather disturbing tracks on the carpet in his house and he knew he was trapped.(fen)

ulszz stabbed forward at him but another mafia rescued his friend by grabbing ulszz's arm and turning the knife against him.(myheronoob)

His leg was grabbed by one of the mafia from the back of the van, all he could think about was the chilling touch of the mafia's hand as he was drug outside.(zdd)
One of many grim reaper references, I originally wanted to make Grim Fandago references but I didn't think anyone would ever get those considering its an underdog of great gaming.

Another mafia stood there ready to end his life, his pale hand reached for a gun and shot CDRdude twice in the chest ending his life rather quickly.(Valentine)
FF7 reference, since no one will ever get this on their own.

Out from an alley (randombum) came a man of the same deadly ilk, but this man did not bleed alike blood.

imDerek was found a filthy mess (randombum) in the middle of the street, stabbed to death several times over.

Later that night around 3:14am ZBiR and infinity21 were playing a game table tennis in their attic, determined to stay up through the night so they wouldn't be killed in their sleep.(eti307)

He landed on the ground to find the man had already run off, he wouldn't forget that mans face and knew he could never let him get away with this, though he wouldn't get away himself.(unforgiven_ve)

He saw a man prancing his way around the front of the house to him and he quickly turned around to flee but was no match in speed.(dancefayedance)

+ Show Spoiler [day six] +
This entire day post was written by Dapperdan, I'm sure you can tell our stark differences in clue writing by now but this will cement them into your head if you didn't by now
In the moment of this thought, randombum found himself violently close lined by a man he could feel through his neck had brutishly muscular arms.(quesadilla)

He assumed the man coming was his savior (empyrean).

Someone with the power to make dreams all too real (empyrean) ended clazziquai’s life on this night.

He looked back up at his window as he began to run away, only able to depict a colorless figure (zdd) with indistinct shape.

He only stopped in front of a quagmire (fen) that desired wading through before reaching the river to catch his breath.
All the clues before this point were originally supposed to be in the previous day (with the exception of the randombum paragraph) but didn't make it in because DapperDan was a little late getting them to me, a few name replacements here and here and presto a start for the next day.

His almost-robotic, and precise killer (KF91), which the town had previously known, waited, crouched in the darkness.

He tapped and trotted (dancefayedance) in his attempts to dodge the ill-angled bullets.

This man undoubtedly had the makings of a successful prototype model (KF91) for a cold-hearted killer.

Randombum flew out of the truck’s bed; rolling over the dirt on the side of the road to the edge the quagmire (fen), only his face submerging in a pool of murky water.

He impulsively looked to his watch; it was just after 3 in the morning (eti307).

He felt lucky not to be noticed as romance_us was silenced with the release of 3 deadly bullets. (vharox)

As randombum ran, he could hear the man from behind him yell, "I'll save you! I promise!" (myheronoob) with a hideously evil laugh following.
♞
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 12 2008 02:26 GMT
#3092
On March 12 2008 11:05 CDRdude wrote:
Did any paramedics ever actually do something useful?
My list of protection was as follows:

Night 1: SoMuchBetter (I would have watched FS here, but he was voted mayor)
Night 2: Falcynn (in retrospect, I think this is funny because he was a veteran)
Night 3: Live2Win (He never returned the favor, what a douche )
Night 4: HotZhot (I was going to watch over Alventenie, but I decided to go with what was known )

Not once did I actually help. Wow, do I ever suck (but I did start the bandwagon rolling on lynching to miss the mark, IIRC that saved L2W's life)

Only one paramedic made a save, you guys did a pretty terrible job actually. As I was reading the thread I knew who I wouldn't hit if I were mafia just from the way they asked for medic protection and you or other medics usually watched people who asked for it. And Live2Win did the worst job of all. If you want to know the real way to be a medic you need to first think as if you were mafia, who would you target. Then you watch that person. Never reveal your role unless you're certain someone isn't mafia and never ever announce who you're going to watch like Live2Win did.
♞
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-12 02:31:10
March 12 2008 02:29 GMT
#3093
I'll give you a little post as to my game-play throughout the game. (I was a townie)

Honestly when I played the game I thought I was going to be quiet, place my vote every day, and then make it to the end without the mafia thinking about me being alive. I didn't want to speak as much as I did on the 4th day, which was the reason I was bound to die. My idea was that if you didn't accuse someone, especially a mafia member, it would be harder to track you. Another goal was to aim for the popular vote, which is why I voted for FakeSteve to be mayor (but my vote never counted). I voted for Dr.Dragoon to make sure the mafia knew I wasn't accusing people randomly. I let others speak for me, and if I agreed I would vote. I was almost sure Live2Win was going to die and when he didn't on the first couple of days I began suspecting him. The game has so many angles and you can't see how serious someone is when they post. We would have done a lot better as a town if we had more active townies. I also tried to make myself look stupid by questioning the rules numerous times. A mafia member would probably be more likely to keep someone who doesn't actually get whats going on, so making dead-end deductions using random information helped. I also gotta admit my skills in deciphering clues sucked. They were more difficult than I thought. Next game should be better since I have the hang of this now.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
March 12 2008 02:30 GMT
#3094
Wow, I read those clues every time scouring them for anything that I thought could relate back to me. I was never aware of what a Fen was until it was pointed out to me near the end of the game. I thought chuiu just didnt have any clues that he could relate to me.

Good game guys, townies missed some pretty damn important things however, and made some god awful decisions which made it slightly easy for the Mafia. Thanks for setting this all up Chuiu and Dapperdan, I look forward to the next one.

If anyone has any mafia questions, i'll happily answer them for you.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 12 2008 02:31 GMT
#3095
------
Prime suspects are:

live2win
shallow[bay]
tracil
empyrean
caller

Other Suspects:
SoMuchBetter
ToMissTheMark
JeeJee
goldnkrnboi
That was my list around day2/day 3

I was pretty sure that zapling was non mafia, so Im really glad hes not. I felt the same about goldnkrnboi after the number of suspects increased.

This was my pm to shallow right after he died:

dont really have any strong suspicions, but...

First,
"how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan!"
-for an intelligent player this should have been obvious in the clues.

seems a bit suspicious, because its one of the methods of a detective.

I sort of dont want you to tell me whether live2win is mafia.

Although I will say this, if caller is mafia, then the dude is fucking clever. But I'm doubting it for now.

Alventine for similar reasons.

One question I do want to know though is: How many mafia are active on the board? Are most of them not posting?

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
On February 19 2008 14:04 fusionsdf wrote:
God I wish I was playing

I have so much I want to say


Lol lay it on me, I'm dead and I'm not making game-related posts in that thread any more


So I was pretty sure caller and alventine were both innocent. caller being innocent made fakesteve likely innocent as well. However, by that time I was less convinced caller was non-mafia, so I wasnt really certain of his innocence until just before fakesteve got lynched.

I thought live2win and tracil were linked, and Im really surprised they both werent mafia :O

Had my doubts early on:

To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/19/08 16:20
to be honest, the more I go through the old posts, the more unlikely live2win seems....


but they were definitely my prime suspects since talking with plexa
----------------


Actually to be honest, credit for
48. 9 Empyrean

From: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/19/08 15:18
I'm off to eat right now, but i thought id say something quickly - i have a hunch of empyrean, ill pm my reasons later


Original Message:
I think it would be better for the townies to keep L2W for the time being - if there is another murder which sounds like L2W then yea - go for him.

But i also feel that there is rather strong evidence pointing towards L2W - those serums sound very much like stimpacks - perhaps we should be looking at people with marine icons?

Now let me explain about empyrean;

Empyrean by definition is the highest level of heaven - so we're looking for levels of respect and a disregard of life (because of the bliss of heaven imo)

Day 1
One of the mafia kicked down on one side of his chest, his muddy boots sliding off almost causing him to lose balance. A few of them laughed but one of them cut the laughter short, scolding them for their immature actions.

'Not in the drawer where I left it', he thought, as someone stepped out of the shadows. "We knew there was a spy amongst us, but I never thought it would be you! Well you played a good game, but now its over and its time to meet your maker", he said as he aimed the gun for DapperDan's head."
- really weak point but somewhat could point to someone in a position of power (e.g. empyrean)

Day 2
The powers overseeing did not have first-rate plans for the residents of Krohms house on this night.He collapsed to his knees after receiving a blow to his back. His left ankle was stomped on and his head was pulled back. The killer slit his throat in a swift move and that was the last any person ever saw of a living evanthebouncy!
- The swiftness matches the description of a godlike entity killing without a second thought

Day 3
Before the man could finish him off he looked up at him and said "you will have to answer for this to god". The man reached down and twisted Hittegods neck, killing him instantly.

The links are somewhat tenuous but couple that with a strange hunch i have and the fact he's lying relatively low - he's a suspect imo

70. 14 to miss the mark

Original Message:
lol T_T i feel your pain

i have a hunch over tomissthemark and ieatkids
The former because of clue where someone missed their target (can't remember where exactly but i can dig it up, although i beleive it was kicking)
The latter because when Chuiu screamed in the first day he said iaaahh, the i is clearly pronounced - and ieatkids is rather sadistic combined with the fact that someone got boiled in the second night i have a hunch its him

This was around Day 2 I think, and we quickly agreed that the ieatkids thing was probably not a clue. Im not sure if plexa still suspected him or not

Original Message:
shallow was the first person to point out the link between the iaaaagh and ieatkids...because of this, I'm less likely to trust it.


14. 4 dancefayedance!~

Original Message:
why do you make the comment about dancefayefance?

goes to plexa I believe

I should point out that I had empyrean and dancefayedance at odds....not sure if you guys did that on purpose, but kudos if you did.

1. 1 ShaLLoW[baY]

was already caught

8. 3 zdd

Purpose in his eyes.... that would rule out tomissthemark wouldnt it lol?
it implicates: NotSorry, ieatkids, thirdeye(?), Folca (Focus?, purpose in his eyes = focus?), ZDD has a VERY strong supporter of this in his quote.


To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/19/08 17:07
zdd relates strongly to the focused mafia

65. 12 Unforgiven_ve

To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/19/08 15:36
A man with a knife smiling back at him. He gleefully stabbed Wizard in the stomach and left him to die as he backed up to the door to guard it once more. -
pretty sure this is referring to unforgiven. really strong hint.



3. 2 Eti307

cant really remember why I suspected him....maybe I didnt suspect him?
But I think I did.


19. 5 Fen
23. 6 imDerek
32. 7 Quesadilla
43. 8 MyHeroNoob

52. 10 Valentine
64. 11 Vharox

67. 13 KF91

Im tired of going through, but all of them should be semi obvious...Of them I was least suspicious of fen, imderek (there were a few clues that pointed to him, and pretty sure plexa pointed it out, but I cant find the pm), and quesadilla.

Really, really surprised tracil/l2w arent mafia


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Live2win:
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(Plexa) Original Message:
Im almost certain of L2W atm. Best way to cover your ass after defending mafia is to totally overreact. Which is what he did. If we lynch him i wonder if tracil will save? If he does, then tracil is obv mafia - but iono.. how tracil will use the pardons will be interesting and i don't want to do anything to stop him just yet - not until we see some pardons


To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/21/08 16:44
its a pretty brilliant gambit... caller is definitely linked to fake steve; if one is mafia, the other is. On the other hand, live2win appears to be linked to caller, as a paramedic. But hes not. So if live2win is mafia, we cant say for certain that caller is mafia just because of that. The same thing in reverse.

Can we infer anything from whether caller is killed by the mob?

It seems to me that if live2win is a paramedic, and uncertain about the status of caller, he will try to save. Now here is where it gets interesting.

The attack power of the mafia (6) is still higher than the save power of the paramedics (4). If caller is not mafia (and the mafia are reasonably intelligent, he is going to die tonight.

If Caller is still alive, it seems to me that he will obviously be mafia...unless the mafia are either stupid or thought that far ahead, which I think is unlikely.

On the other hand, Caller could be alive but not mafia. If live2win is mafia playing as a medic, he might communicate with the other mafia and tell them to target someone else, to remove suspicion from himself.

If caller is killed despite being protected by all medics (something only detective would know) = ?
If caller isnt targeted at all (6 people die) = ?

Im trying to figure out a diagnostic to determine whether live2win is mafia or medic based on tonight's kills...Is there anyone killed that will indicate he is a medic or mafia? Do we expect caller to be killed tonight (he should be)? what will it indicate, either way? Who does it make sense for the mafia to sacrifice? Who are they unable to sacrifice?

Any ideas?

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Original Message:
So Live2Win claims to be a Paramedic, and Caller is a bodyguard according to FS... interesting twist =/

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Original Message:
hmmm
caller has a very strong clue against him, but is in opposition to live2win and tracil...clues support caller, psychology supports live2win/tracil.

Any chance live2win is too obviously mafia, and the other members are working to seperate themselves from him and tracil?

The clue supporting caller:
"One stayed out, cutting the phone lines, preparing for the case that the residents may make an emergency phone call. "


To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/21/08 17:21
because bodyguard and paramedic are really the only important roles...we can afford to lynch the others if there is a good chance of mafia.

If it was anything else, he would either be mafia and stupid, not mafia, super smart mafia (but would get lynched anyways lol)

Body guard cant be picked if hes mafia..without steve being able to confirm...

so either live2win and fakesteve are both mafia and horribly organized (or just knew no one would buy two body guards appearing at once), or live2win and fakesteve are opposites. Which would mean:

1)fakesteve/caller mafia, live2win innocent
2)fakesteve/caller innocent, live2win mafia
3)fakesteve/caller innocent, live2win innocent


To: Plexa
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 2/21/08 19:35
because live2win was a more likely lynch target than caller.

if live2win, fakesteve and caller are all mafia, it makes more sense to waste his bodyguard card on live2win, not caller.

Otherwise, fakesteve could just say they are both bodyguards (It would be super suspicious though)

live2win is also the most suspicious of fakesteve, and is really the only reason most people consider fakesteve likely mafia....fakesteve seems a bit reclusive for mafia, but its hard to say.

in either case, I think they are in opposition

live2win + tracil vs caller + fakesteve

hahahah

I'm starting to get the feeling that live2win is a medic after all lol

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Original Message:
i don't see any evidence pointing towards L2W and FS being opposites

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OUR METHOD

-we assumed, like most other people, that the mafia would go for mayor/pardoner postions.
-Because of seeming alliances, I decided that l2w and tracil were linked and tracil was in opposition to fakesteve.
-One of the first things we did was gather clues. We looked in 2 main areas: Clues in the description, and psychology. If players were in opposition, it made it less likely (but certainly still possible) for them to be mafia. Even though I suspected that the mafia would purposely use a bait member (I though this is what was happening with shallow[bay] and dragoon), it was unlikely that more than one pair would pretend opposition, so if I had a list of 10 pairs, it was likely that 9 out of those 10 pairs were safe bets. A lot of this was based on subtle psychology as well, so I'm not sure I can explain it... but we looked more for players being subtle than being obvious. We also looked for alliances, both in comments, and in the votes.
-We very quickly created a list of profiles/quotes...doing this so early is why (and the freedom to communicate without worrying plexa might be mafia :D) I think we got the right suspects faster. When zapling posted this, I was 90% sure that he was innocent.
-We even looked at user icons, images, names, join dates, etc
-We picked out obvious clues, and pretty much ignored the rest....filtering is extremely helpful.
-we knew the mafia were mostly active. Without that knowledge, it would have been a lot more difficult early on.
-listing out the profiles so early gave us another advantage:

A smart mafia member should constantly change his profile/sig to avoid detection. Its something to look out for.

Unfortunately I dont think anyone actually did this.
-if people had obvious clue material in their profile/name and they werent mentioned in the clues, they were dropped from the suspect list.

If it is ieatkids, we should look out for any clues relating to procrastination or laziness!

Especially near the end of the game this was super valuable. I eliminated almost as many people as I added to potential supects.
-we suspected tracil/l2w because they were responsible for fakesteve being lynched.


We stopped PMing eachother about this on Feb 23, so I dont have pms regarding later suspects.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 12 2008 02:33 GMT
#3096
On March 12 2008 11:30 Fen wrote:
Wow, I read those clues every time scouring them for anything that I thought could relate back to me. I was never aware of what a Fen was until it was pointed out to me near the end of the game. I thought chuiu just didnt have any clues that he could relate to me.

I had a few ideas on what to point to you, I kinda liked the whole idea of you living in a fen though. DapperDan had a 9/11 clue point to you one night, I think...
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-12 02:37:59
March 12 2008 02:36 GMT
#3097
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On March 12 2008 11:26 Chuiu wrote:
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On March 12 2008 11:05 CDRdude wrote:
Did any paramedics ever actually do something useful?
My list of protection was as follows:

Night 1: SoMuchBetter (I would have watched FS here, but he was voted mayor)
Night 2: Falcynn (in retrospect, I think this is funny because he was a veteran)
Night 3: Live2Win (He never returned the favor, what a douche )
Night 4: HotZhot (I was going to watch over Alventenie, but I decided to go with what was known )

Not once did I actually help. Wow, do I ever suck (but I did start the bandwagon rolling on lynching to miss the mark, IIRC that saved L2W's life)

Only one paramedic made a save, you guys did a pretty terrible job actually. As I was reading the thread I knew who I wouldn't hit if I were mafia just from the way they asked for medic protection and you or other medics usually watched people who asked for it. And Live2Win did the worst job of all. If you want to know the real way to be a medic you need to first think as if you were mafia, who would you target. Then you watch that person. Never reveal your role unless you're certain someone isn't mafia and never ever announce who you're going to watch like Live2Win did.

Oh and talk about doing a terrible job, Tracil was one of the worst players in the game. I think he was the best player the mafia had and wasn't even on their side. Didn't even pardon two people he openly admitted he thought were innocent.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 12 2008 02:37 GMT
#3098
oh god

testing testing 123


so obvious
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
March 12 2008 02:38 GMT
#3099
On March 12 2008 11:37 fusionsdf wrote:
oh god

testing testing 123


so obvious


Falcynn pointed it out, among other things that people missed.
sAviOr...
Fen
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Australia1848 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-12 02:41:53
March 12 2008 02:38 GMT
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