EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXIV - Page 15
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OmniEulogy
Canada6595 Posts
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OmniEulogy
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
(1) Which you rather choose to lynch. An active participant with a scummy vibe; or a participant who is low count poster, but each post contains a vote for someone? (2) StriX post style reminds me a bit of "Threesr". How do you think StriX should be approached to develop his story further? Please lead the discussion. 1) Your question is a very vague situation, which has the potential to be interpreted multiple ways. It needs further definition. Does the low count poster provide reasoning to each vote? Is he bandwagoning with each vote? What is the active participant doing that gives off a scummy vibe? The question you gave doesn't have an answer that cannot be interpreted many ways by different people. 2) Strix is a highly analytical player, but he is the type who prefers the 'grand reveal' style of play. He analyses posts well, and can make a compelling case - however this is all done with the rest in the dark until the time he posts. Having experience playing with him outside of TL, that is the way I have seen him play. One thing that differentiates him from threesr though is the fact he doesn't flame everyone and call them bad. Calls himself god sometimes, but no flames. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:16 OmniEulogy wrote: The non-commitment and fear of putting himself out there even after making a decent case makes him the scummiest player in the game at the moment in my eyes. Is this in reference to me? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Omni: I left right after because of RL issues. I know that's not ideal, but I'd been hawking the thread all day and I had stuff to do. I still say that hypothetically mentioning a no-lynch over a blind LAL is the huge scum tell that you think it is, Omni. Mafia would rather have a lynch on a non-mafia lurker than a no-lynch, and mafia can control whether or not they lurk. I still have an #FoS on Sylencia; he's answered my case at each point, but it doesn't change the tone and vibe of all of his posts put together for the first 24 hours. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Right now, I'm suspicious of Jampi, Zare, StriX, and TaMiL (the Hero). Jampi: I think your focus is in the wrong place right now. Most of your posts have been about reading past Mafia games and trying to understand everyone's meta. While it helps a little bit, you need to get your head back into this game. The chances of everyone having the same roles as their first games (or first two, because the max is 3 games for NMM) is not very good. I would like to see some analysis of what has happened in this game, and not what happened in other games. For this reason, your contribution to the town in my eyes is 0. You need to step it up if you want to prove to us that you are town. Zare: I know OE has touched on this subject already, but I would like to add my opinion. To me Zare, I can forgive you for saying that a no-lynch is acceptable when it really is not. I can put that up to newness and lack of knowledge. However, what I can't forgive you for is accusing me of not being a contributor. My filter is at least 5-6 posts longer than yours, yet you come out and say that I haven't been contributing. You really need to check your facts before you throw out silly accusations like that. While you had some fair points on Syl, saying "possibly scum" after every point is just hammering him too much. It's too early in the game to be tunneling one person so much. Leave your options open, and your accusations a bit less harsh. StriX/TaMiL: Simply put, the grace period for lurkers is over. You two need to start posting and joining the discussion, because the lurking is thinning my patience. If you don't come under fire from me, you'll come under fire from others (especially Spag who has stated he has 0 tolerance for lurking). | ||
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StriX
Australia42 Posts
(2) You said zarepath is your lead suspect. With the information zarepath has presented since Session 2. What are your revised thoughts? If still a target, I suggest you demonstrate your conviction with a vote; otherwise, begin to identify alternative candidates. 1. I'm starting to yes. 2. Feel like we're going a bit easy on TeMiL and I'd like to vote to lynch him right now. I delayed my vote due to suspecting lurking was due to timezone issues, however, I feel like we've given him long enough to contribute. He is also the only one to not respond to Mocsta's first set of questions. As an idea Mocsta could you may ##Vote TeMil p.s. Anyone want to explain Threesr to me? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6595 Posts
@Zare fair enough I know it happens. I also agree that the mafia would rather have us lynch ourselves and get an even larger advantage. It happens in most games D1 but they also tend to be the ones who say a no-lynch is fine with them early on. Ignoring that aspect of why I voted for you though because as you say its hypothetical and you did make a case on somebody else I'm going to keep my vote on you for the time being. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:24 StriX wrote: p.s. Anyone want to explain Threesr to me? Threesr was in the last game. He was a weak town player who just sat around and lurked. He made a bunch of sarcastic remarks to anyone who ever accused him. He was modkilled Day 2 for not voting. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Omni: I don't know what "fear of putting himself out there" you're talking about. I went out of my way to make a case on an active player that nobody else was even talking about, analyzed his entire filter, and you even admit that it's a good case. I don't see how I am not putting myself out there here. All you yourself have done in your case against me is harp on a single line that isn't relevant (or even scummy imo; but apparently that is a policy debate), and say that I have a fear of putting myself out there. That's not a case; that's a soft read based off of confirmation bias and a willingness to ignore all my positive contributions. | ||
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StriX
Australia42 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Additionally, how is asking someone to participate more scummy? That is decidedly pro-town behavior, and I can understand being offended by it when you feel you've been actively contributing, but I simply wanted to hear more from you and threw you in the list. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6595 Posts
You can make a case like that and it doesn't really put you into the spotlight at all. If we all voted for him and he flipped town THEN it would. But you yourself didn't even vote for him. How is not even voting for somebody and just calling everything they have done scummy dangerous for you in any way? It's a good way to start conversation on a target, and you got him to answer but it's not putting yourself out there in any way. | ||
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StriX
Australia42 Posts
by the way - if you reread I was the first to call out zarepath on his no-lynch so it's amusing to me that you use it as an argument then call me out for contributing nothing. @cDGCorazon I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:40 StriX wrote: @cDGCorazon I shouldn't be grouped with TeMil. On the contrary, I think you should. Most of your posts have been 1-2 lines. While the quantity of posts have been there, the quality certainly has not. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:19 zarepath wrote: (1) Mocsta: I would rather lynch an active participant with a scummy vibe than a low-count poster with only votes for posts. (2) I still say that hypothetically mentioning a no-lynch over a blind LAL is the huge scum tell that you think it is, Omni. Mafia would rather have a lynch on a non-mafia lurker than a no-lynch, and mafia can control whether or not they lurk. @zarepath (1) The beauty of this game is, everyone has the potential to vote for who they want. It is in their control. . You are hoping others follow that vote however. (Personally)I prefer Sylencia response to (1), the question indeed was vague; it was definitely not discrete, so many variables were missing [intentionally] You have somehow linked all the pieces together however, to formulate a discrete conclusion. If I look at a town perspective: Perhaps you are prejudiced in opinion. Ruling your opinion a "matter of fact" opposed to any form of tell or read. Perhaps you are a hot head, that posts ab-lib (possibly regretting the post later)... a trait surely I of all people can understand. If I consider a mafia perspective: Who cares who is voted, as long as its not mafia. That leads to a propensity to recklessly formulate opinions, and essentially make discrete conclusions. So we go back to.. zarepath, what is you motivation? If (/When) I go through your filter; Do you think I will find town or scum motivations? Considering you are hawking the thread always, I am keen to hear your thoughts before I progress with this further | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:36 zarepath wrote: Corazon: Most of your filter was before-game banter, and at the time I asked you to participate more, most of what you had posted was you essentially saying that you had null reads on everyone. Additionally, how is asking someone to participate more scummy? That is decidedly pro-town behavior, and I can understand being offended by it when you feel you've been actively contributing, but I simply wanted to hear more from you and threw you in the list. Well, you need to pay attention to the game to figure out why I had null reads. I was the first one to have a vote cast against them, so I needed to defend myself. If I were to start calling people out instead of defending myself, it would be a ridiculous scumtell (not to mention being rude. If someone takes the time to make a case against you, then you should have the courtesy to defend yourself, no matter how weak). The thing is, you need to check your facts. Technically, you told a lie there and said I had not contributed, when I clearly have contributed more than you. I just needed to contribute in a different way than you had to because of the early vote. I will not have an accusation made against me that is false. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 04 2013 14:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, you need to pay attention to the game to figure out why I had null reads. I was the first one to have a vote cast against them, so I needed to defend myself. If I were to start calling people out instead of defending myself, it would be a ridiculous scumtell (not to mention being rude. If someone takes the time to make a case against you, then you should have the courtesy to defend yourself, no matter how weak). The thing is, you need to check your facts. Technically, you told a lie there and said I had not contributed, when I clearly have contributed more than you. I just needed to contribute in a different way than you had to because of the early vote. I will not have an accusation made against me that is false. Gentleman.. if I may step in. This is starting to dilute the thread on a "he-said/she-sad" (not that any of you are she's  )I see no fault with zarepath asking for contributions from anyone (including myself). I can also understand why cDgCorazon is acting this way. Especially with the duration of my vote. I think, shake hands, and move on. There is a lot of decent content and relationships to read through on pages 14-15. Lets not dilute those reads due to a "he-said/she-said". | ||
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