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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Mementoss
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 12 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote: From Hope's posts it's clear that he is not concerned with finding scum. What does he care about instead? -Will you be here for the deadline? -Don't waste your votes. Two topics, both of which I consider to be a total waste of time and a way to feign activity. Addressing more of this: IF you make any statement towards being inactive at the deadline (like mementoss has) then if you do anything around the deadline you're instantly suspicious. You will be scrutinized and the town will have a greater ability to control the lynch because everyone will know that certain votes are completely locked in place and are not subject to change. I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. On October 12 2012 03:45 Mementoss wrote: @Hopeless stop defending yourself and give us your two best scum reads or your view of the matchups and who you are thinking of voting I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all. When sandroba is town he can do magic but there's none of that right now. This is day1 and that always makes me a little weary of lynching a player of sandroba's caliber but it's a 96 hour day so I have no problems putting a little pressure on him. Right now I have no problems with him advancing over kushm4sta, I actually prefer that since kushm4sta is showing a lot more interest in this game. Town in bureaucracy. (I understand that may not be a good comparison because a lot of his play and interaction centered around his role and the splintered mafia team made scumhunting slightly different at first). This is almost exactly my thought process, though. I hated the thought of lynching Palmar earlier even when he was doing nothing, and I get that feeling about Sandroba even though I've seen him in games less. I think the setup works very well for this, though, push Sandroba through to the next round, and keep watching him for contributions/anything. I can't tell if it's just purely like telegraphed pressure voting (we're gonna vote for you but you won't get lynched until at least 48 hours from now) or if there's actual more weight behind votes here, since each round you pass increases your chances at actually getting lynched, especially if your opponent is mafia and they're making any moves. So, I like sending Sandroba forward over kush. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Thrawn: Playing seems townie to me, hes asking questions where needed. And pushing his own opinions. I'm getting a townie vibe off him. Hopeless: Too much defending himself, not enough provoking discussion or persuing scum reads. Says he doesn't want to give scum reads because of the lynch mechanics and short length of the game. Well if you don't have any scum reads by page 15, you better try to get people talking so you can get something out of them. Something hopeless hasn't attempted. Hopeless also blames lynching mechanics for avoiding scum reads, Its really easy for scum to just discuss matchups and not discuss individual thoughts on the player or try to advance their reads. Right now hopeless seems to be avoiding scumhunting by defending himself from feigning activity. Pretty ironic. I don't need to vote him because hes gunna win this matchup I think. I will vote if I need to. Hopeless leaning scummy. 2. HiroPro I actually can't remember anything he has said or done all game. I wouldn't mind him advancing so the pressure can be on him and he is forced to do something. However, im not willing to use a lot of votes to put him through and his competitor is equally as bad on this front. Null.Honestly don't care who gets through this matchup. OriginalName Lurking pretty hard as well. Only has one post with content so far. But it brings up some pretty decent points. Still he needs more activity into the game, looking forward to what his thoughts are on the other players/matchups. Null. Not voting either. 3. Sandropa: I don't like his posting at all this game. As others have said, most of his posting has been here are my thoughts and gives no reasoning. ET defends him with his meta in this statement: "Sandroba is one of those super strong town players who is comparatively abysmal as a mafia player. When he's mafia, his lack of effort and interest becomes abundantly clear very quickly, sort of like Palmar but even moreso, IMO. Therefore, when he plays mafia I find that he runs active disruption to try and make as much chaos as possible until he inevitably gets shot/lynched. " Which I don't know how ET thinks hes following this, is he reading the same game I am? I think if anything he looks like mafia meta this game, lack of effort and interest seem prevelant in this game, and no attempt to find any scum at all. I would really like him to go through and put some pressure on him to persue some reads. Looks scummy to me. 2 votes. Kushmasta: Posting frequently and openly, I have changed my mind about kush. Althought I usually have a hard time reading him, he seems to be less trolly than usual, and is putting in some effort. If he is scum, he is active enough that we can catch him. 4. ET: Everything about his filter makes me think hes mafia. But maybe Im just reading him completely wrong. He dismisses any comments towards him at all times, hard defends sandroba twice, without real reason or logic to, and is being very sarcastic in the says things to the fact to not get called out on them later. + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 02:45 EchelonTee wrote: Uh I just did right there? When there is suspicion on two parties and we assume that at least one is town, then it means that mafia are pushing a townie successfully? + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 02:53 EchelonTee wrote: Getting lunch and going to classes. Apparently I have to announce my absences or else I'm "lurking away". His posting is pushing a bad town atmosphere and that is scum agenda. As well as some lines in his posts just seem off, like prplhz pointed out. I think hes scummy but I'm not entirely sure this could just be his meta. Im going to put a vote on him. Djodref: No further thoughts from before. Only reason I'm not voting him is because of my views on ET. Votes: Sandropa x2 ET x1 | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Original: I'm not going to vote someone because they are busy. Yes I buy his panic votes. I think his story about the PM is very believable. He only has 1 post of merit but I think the post is fine. He's definitely not afraid to share his thoughts. He brings up a good point about djodref's drunk post. Did drunkenness cause the vote or did it just cause him to not tell us about it? It bothered me at the time but I forgot about it. But anyway I don't think his 1 post looks scum. Hiropro: Not omgus but my suspicion of him comes from his suspicion of me. It's the only thing that's in his filter basically. He called my argument about the daoud's bye disadvantage a "contradiction" and he has not sufficiently explained how so. And he wants me so bad that he added another vote to put me over the edge at the last second? His arguments don't back up that kind of suspicion IMO. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:05 prplhz wrote: @EchelonTee So sandroba kept up his appearance for the first couple of hours and since then he's had a "hunch" post and one measly contribution. Do you really think this looks like townie sandroba? Last sandroba townie game I remember was Space Station where he ruled the town with an iron fist and nailed like 5 out of 6 scum in the first two days. Fucking ridiculous. I don't think that this looks like townie sandroba at all. When sandroba is town he can do magic but there's none of that right now. This is day1 and that always makes me a little weary of lynching a player of sandroba's caliber but it's a 96 hour day so I have no problems putting a little pressure on him. Right now I have no problems with him advancing over kushm4sta, I actually prefer that since kushm4sta is showing a lot more interest in this game. That's pretty ridiculous comment prpl. And I known for my manners or my detailed explanation of my actions? No. Have there been any flips so far? No. Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 12 2012 04:41 kushm4sta wrote: Originalname vs Hiropro Original: I'm not going to vote someone because they are busy. Yes I buy his panic votes. I think his story about the PM is very believable. He only has 1 post of merit but I think the post is fine. He's definitely not afraid to share his thoughts. He brings up a good point about djodref's drunk post. Did drunkenness cause the vote or did it just cause him to not tell us about it? It bothered me at the time but I forgot about it. But anyway I don't think his 1 post looks scum. Hiropro: Not omgus but my suspicion of him comes from his suspicion of me. It's the only thing that's in his filter basically. He called my argument about the daoud's bye disadvantage a "contradiction" and he has not sufficiently explained how so. And he wants me so bad that he added another vote to put me over the edge at the last second? His arguments don't back up that kind of suspicion IMO. The contradiction is that you accused daoud of this " He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum", when in fact you yourself were using the bracket to pick players who you thought were worse to advance, not those who you thought were scum. I'd still like a response to this please. austin was someone you considered good and he directly refuted one of your points so I'm wondering why you didn't try to convince him otherwise, if you didn't accept his view: On October 11 2012 10:52 HiroPro wrote: So then why is it that you made no attempt to convince austin otherwise? On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote: Day 1 Round 2 Preview Hopeless/Thrawn It's kind of night and day. Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance. Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment. Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0 HiroPro/OriginalName At first glance this MU looks easy but it could be more interesting that it looks like. Once thing I have learned in my previous game is that obvious scum players are usually town (Kush being an exception of this rule^^). We could all agree that ON looks bad, like very very bad. Casting last minute panic votes (on me on top of that) after zero posts and not even properly explaining his motives is scummy as hell. But thinking about it, I cannot imagine any mafia player being this obvious. So I want to give him a second chance for today and see if he can make it up before the deadline. HiroPro hasn't posting that much and I didn't like his post encouraging people to share their thoughts and plans about the lynch mechanics. Right now, I would vote him over ON but I don't want to spend more than 3 votes on this (I didn't keep my 10 votes like, let's say, Hopeless). Prediction: ON advaces against my will to the Round 4 5-3 Sandroba/Kush Regarding this entertaining MU, I'd like to state first that I know Kush meta for having read some newbie games but I don't know at all Sandroba. Kush is going to look scummy whatever his alignment. Given his low aggressive level in this game, I would opt for a scummy town Kush. But he has been clustering the thread a lot and I know that it could be his strategy as a scummy scum Kush. So null read for me atm. As he is difficult to read, Kush could become a liability for us in the endgame regardless of his alignment but he could give us good insight if he is town. Anyway, I wouldn't mind him to be more pressured because he slipped very quickly last game. Sandroba is also a null read atm. I would like him to post more before and I would not hesitate to vote him rather than Kush if it looks scummy. Prediction: Kush advances to the Ro4 5-4 (not planning to vote on this MU at the moment) Djodref/EchelonTee Please feel free to ask me some precisions about my motives and posts^^ I have just skimmed through his filter because I cannot pressure him with my votes this round. If you don't mind, I'm going to concentrate on other player's filters and let you decide which one of us is advancing. Nevertheless, I've noticed 2-3 things of interest:
I don't want to predict anything for this MU  Votes coming soon, hoping for a quick feedback before going to bed... I'm voting for Djodref over ET. Partly because I'm getting a town read on ET (the thoughts that he's sharing seem good and I liked the way he reacted to Mementoss's accusation). But also because of the way that he's posting: his posts seem manufactured to me. Especially the one above where he seems to be calling predictions for each matchup needlessly - it's not something that I see a townie really being interested in, but it is something that I think a new mafia player would consider a "contribution" and include just for the sake of making a bigger post. Djodref x1 | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 12 2012 05:17 sandroba wrote: Look at the cases people posted, which is the strongest? Definetely the case on ON. How can you ever say that I'm not trying to get scum lynched or that my play has been uninspired? You can't. Where is this strong case on ON? I can't find it. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
My biggest reason for thinking ET could be scum is this post: On October 12 2012 02:23 EchelonTee wrote: You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content???? Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse. His dismissal of Original's accusations match his previously mentioned technique of being extremely critical of cases against him, but his arguments are bad and are the very definition of OMGUS. I think he is guilty of disappearing and moving towards lower content posts, and while I don't think that is enough to call him scum, it's something to consider for if we ever see ON's flip. djodref has spent a reasonable amount of time tunneling me in his last couple posts, and I know my alignment so this catches my attention. I want to see his response to my explanations but I don't think I'll get it before Ro8 deadline. In his 'predictions' post, I'm the only one that gets a clear stance. He's null on both Sandroba/Kush and says that ON is too scummy to be scum. He's got too much wiggle room in his stances and there's a lot of fluff in the entire post. He's still harping on Hiro for his early vote mechanics discussion. I'm more comfortable having him in the next round over ET. Between sandroba and kush, I'd prefer sandroba to advance. He makes no comment on the fact that thrawn thwarted his efforts to get da0ud advanced despite his "hunch" and has a generally low content filter compared to kush. I get a townier feel from kush reading through his filter. Busy at work for the next little while, I'll try to flesh out my vote on sandroba later. For now, I'm voting: OriginalName x1 djrodef x1 sandroba x1 | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I'd still like a response to this please. austin was someone you considered good and he directly refuted one of your points so I'm wondering why you didn't try to convince him otherwise, if you didn't accept his view:[QUOTE] #1 Thrawn agreed with him that it wasn't a big tell. #2 I didn't really have much more to say about it. If i were to try to convince him, it would basically just be me repeating myself. #3 I understood why he didn't think it was that big of a tell, even though at the time I disagreed. Back then I did not realize Daoud's level of noobness. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
[QUOTE]On October 12 2012 05:19 HiroPro wrote: I'd still like a response to this please. austin was someone you considered good and he directly refuted one of your points so I'm wondering why you didn't try to convince him otherwise, if you didn't accept his view:[QUOTE] #1 Thrawn agreed with him that it wasn't a big tell. #2 I didn't really have much more to say about it. If i were to try to convince him, it would basically just be me repeating myself. #3 I understood why he didn't think it was that big of a tell, even though at the time I disagreed. Back then I did not realize Daoud's level of noobness.[/QUOTE] hm, ok. That sounds fine to me. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Djo is looking town. Thrawn described him as a cheerful townie and he is indeed super cheerful, open. He loves to share. ET. He has been posting plenty but it's mostly defensive. There is a real lack of scumhunt to his play, especially for someone of his reputation. The defenses are much more than is necessary. They also have some weird logic in them, and he seems quite mad. On October 10 2012 23:40 EchelonTee wrote: While cute that you would accuse me for appearing to "know more about the setup", there is almost no way that the ratio of votes is actually 9x, as you yourself pointed out. No number is even close to that (either 1:11 or 2:10 doesn't work with normal voting mechanics). Therefore, you are making the assumption that I have to be either blue or red without even considering that maybe, just maybe I put down that 9x number randomly? This is the beginning of his long defense against momentoss pointing out his "scumslip" (no I don't think it's a scumslip). After opening with a little condescension, he brings up how the ratio could not possibly be 9x. He just came up with that number "randomly." @ET You put down 9x randomly? I thought you used the number 9 because the ratio is usually 9 town to 3 scum. After ON calls him out for low content and scumlurking: On October 12 2012 02:23 EchelonTee wrote: You have got to be fricking kidding me. Look at my filter. Then yours. I am being low content???? Are you freaking serious? No seriously, coming from THE #1 lurker of Round 1? I don't even understand how you can possibly argue this. This is plain old terrible disruption. You could at least try to look townie. You have done literally nothing to try and help town, and are easily my top pick for champion. This isn't your first game by any respect, you have no newbie excuse. So this is that strong ON case sandroba was referring to? I'm not seeing any arguments that he is scum except for a vague reference to "disruption." There's a lot of anger here and a lot of omgus. Further there is the buddying with sandroba. You defend sandroba on terms of just meta. Why? because he discussed setup? That's not enough. IMO sandroba has not lived up to the meta you describe, and other people who have played with him agree. And you give me 2 votes for no reason other than sandroba's meta. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Only 1 each. I would really like to push ET through, but I would rather do it by convincing people than forcing the issue with all my votes. hope x1 ET x1 hiro x1 | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 12 2012 08:19 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush, the thing about ON is his wtf behavior at the deadline. He comes in placing 2 votes on a candidate that was for sure going to be moving on anyway, and I've yet to see him adequately explain why he did so. He said it was a panic vote.... why was he panicking, why pick djo, and why 2 votes? Those are all questions he needs to answer. He panicked because he got a PM from a mod reminding him. He thought he might be modkilled if he didn't vote. Also what did he 2 random votes accomplish? Nothing, they changed nothing. There is no scum motivation to make votes like that. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
You think he is so worried about deciding where to vote and what that might reveal that he made this story up? Just so he could throw away 2 votes? That seems like a very complicated scum plan for very little gain. | ||
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