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On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI
NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK
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On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK
I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.
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On November 03 2011 12:00 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.
To be fair, that was hilarious
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On November 03 2011 11:04 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:58 wherebugsgo wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? For all we know they could both be scum, let's not forget possibilities here. On November 03 2011 10:51 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 10:39 Forumite wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. If you don´t think what prplhz does is helping us find scum, then I guess you think hyshes is Town, right? Why didn´t you defend him instead? I have no idea of hyshes alignment, his NotChezinu plan is derp, but hey, its a plan. You on the other hand seem to be immensely annoyed at being called scum. Why this reaction to being called out? It looks like someone might have something to hide... Answering WBG's question about spelling and grammar, since when does a townie have a motive to make reading his posts harder and making him less likely to properly convey a point, making people more likely to disregard his posts? You seem to be all over the place atm, GMarsh. I think that's a pretty convoluted reason to think someone is mafia, especially in light of a much simpler and robust reason for hyshes being mafia. I would take your reads and reverse them; I think hyshes is probably scum (with chaoser) and I can't read prpl atm. And why do you think hyshes is scum? His plan? I'm not disagreeing, mind you, I just can't think of a reason why scum would post such an insane plan in the thread, rather than in the scum QT, unless he really *didn't* read his role PM, which would be patently ridiculous. We've seen many townies produce super anti-town plans in the past, which is why I'm hesitant to judge him just on that. I'm actually decent at reading chaoser, which is why I'm reserving judgement, I should be able to figure chaoser out a lot faster than hyshes, whom I have no experience with. So yeah, I'm jotting him down as a null read till I see more. But by all means, pile on the votes, I'm intrigued to see how that whole team reacts. Not agreeing with you here, I don´t think your way will work on those two. First hyshes is a less experienced player, more prone to making mistakes, he did earlier, and while it doesn´t look like the play of most Scum, it was still trying to push a Pro-Scum agenda, without considering the Anti-Town sides of it. Second Chaoser is forewarned and forearmed, he knows he´s under heavy suspicioun, he´s going to be extra carefull when posting, making him harder to read.
Let´s bring Team Edward into the sunshine, and see if they Burn and/or Sparkle!
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On November 03 2011 12:00 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.
yes okay i agree. my "plan" is a bit lame. it's a process that uses the game mechanics in an unfair way. but i guess, posting the logs to avoid a lynch will happen anyway, unless it's forbidden. no further discussion needed.
(do the extra work, scummers!)
okay next point is GM accusing team Viking. Prplhz is from denmark and hes no anglistic expert. i dont mind some minor mistakes and i do them, too. i know you say he's doing that interpunctuation mistakes on purpose, and you say that a townie has no reason to be hard to understand.
i think however, that scum has no reason to be hard to understand, too. therefor...
@wbg: who is the scummiest team in your eyes right now?
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On November 03 2011 08:09 redFF wrote:
Palmar, could you add the team names to the op please!
For you baby, I can do anything
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On November 03 2011 11:42 chaoser wrote:I didn't know you cared so much about what I have to say. I'm in this game on more of an advisory capacity much like how some players/teams were like in RoL's team mini game (I also mainly advised that game). Plans are useless this game. What's the point of a plan? Playing a dry cut and orderly game of mafia with analysis and logic should be enough. If you guys really are going to jump on a dude who posted a horrible plan outright and say he's mafia then I gotta shake my head at that. Mafia don't post a bad plan that's going to bring a lot of attention to them; mafia's not going to attention whore. Townies more often than not do that to either draw out mafia trying to seem "pro-town" (see wherebugsgo with his give me the ring plan in LoTR) or they're just really bad at making/thinking up plans lol. Mafia like to seem pro-town and post things that either agree with what everyone else is saying or lurks. Or they post genuinely good ideas that they feel don't really put them at a disadvantage. (sandroba in PYPI)
RebirthOfLegend's team mini game was an entirely different game where the setup itself made mentor/newbie teams. You lurked hardcore through that game and ended up getting lynched as DT, leading to a perfect mafia victory.
I don't get why you are trying to shut discussion down. Nobody is lynching hyshes yet, but his plan did look like it was conceived by a mafia mind. Then you bring out an explanation about why plans are usually posted in the thread, covering a lot of scenarios that clearly do not apply, and missing the scenario that did apply. hyshes didn't try to draw out mafia by intentionally posting a bad plan and I don't think that hyshes seems like he is bad at thinking up plans. hyshes made his post, knowing that the plan could not be implemented just to appear clever. Mafia will have an interest in appearing to be good or potentially good for town, without actually contributing. This is what hyshes did and this is a scenario that your sharp mind did not cover in your plan analysis for some reason.
On November 03 2011 12:00 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:52 redFF wrote:On November 03 2011 11:08 chaoser wrote:On November 03 2011 09:56 supersoft wrote:
okay nothing interesting came up, yet. one thing i want to point out.
if you're town, save all your conversations with your teampartner. if you're getting lynched, these conversations may provide something that speaks in favor of you.
I know scum will do that, too now... BUT it's a lot of work to fake logs. and why should we be gentle with these guys?! Yeah I'm going to have to disagree with that. This isn't post-conversation-to-try-to-make-people-trust-you. This is mafia. Let's try NOT using shit like this to "confirm" one another. I thought we already covered this topic in PYPI NICE TRY SCUM WHO DOESN'T WANNA DO EXTRA WORK I really hope you're kidding about this. I'm 100% serious about my point. Are we really going to try to exploit every single mechanic in place in a game to try to avoid the actual point of a mafia game which is to analyze and use scum hunting skills? Not to mention this doesn't even work. Look at Kita escaping lynch for a hilarious amount of days because of his "PM convo" with Radfield. It took me two days of setup to finally convince people that he was mafia and should be voted for.
Coming back to RebirthOfLegend's team mini game, in that game you were DT and you checked inactives, because then scum would be forced to be active and active scum is scum that cannot hide. I see your concerns about people trying to confirm themselves 100% by just posting a falsifiable quicktopic. But this is more activity that mafia will have to do, and this will give town more content to analyse and bigger chance for scum to do something unfortunate. I see your concerns about using mechanics instead of analysis, this is not how it should be done, but forcing scum to do extra work and increasing their chances of slipping, I think that's something chaoser from RebirthOfLegend's team mini game would have liked?
You still think that checking inactives is the best way to play as a DT? There's not going to be many inactives in this game I think, even though some teams have been weirdly silent, so should DT try to confirm some of the more active analyzers?
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New Rule!
Any attempt at posting something that seems like valid "out of thread content" in the thread will be met with a mod-kill. This is a no-PM game, so there should be no reason try to post logs of private in-team communications.
You can definitely say "My teammate thinks X", but you are not allowed to post anything that looks like chatlogs/pms/quicktopic-logs to back it up
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About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm.
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On November 03 2011 19:11 prplhz wrote:
About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm.
to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear.
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On November 03 2011 20:06 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:11 prplhz wrote:
About the new rule: this is pretty cool but chaoser still has to answer for why he didn't want additional content put into the thread back when it was allowed. More content equals more material for analysis, it's not like more content equals autoconfirm. to be fair i dont think chaoser is lazy scum who doesnt want to fake logs. i think he wants to play mafia by analyzing and discussing instead of abusing the mechanics of an online mafiagame. he made that pretty clear. It´s not abusing mechanics, it´s using what you have in order to win. The biggest advantage of an IRL-mafia is gone, we can´t see the other players, but it´s not like reading faces is "abusing the mechanics" in an IRL-game, it´s just part of the game, like going back and checking posts is in a forum game. Chaoser is absolutely correct in that forgeable logs can loose Town the game, I just don´t agree with reflexively throwing away tools that might have helped us.
This still doesn´t excuse how Chaoser and hyshes has acted in other respects, Chaoser taking a backseat while his partner suggest Anti-Town plans. I thought Chaoser would have stepped in if he thought hyshes was making a fool of himself, instead he waited until he was called out. Chaoser was actively lurking while his team was being accused, that doesn´t make sense, unless he was weathering the storm, hoping that hyshes would be excused because of him being new. One player is acting scummy, and the other just happens to be acting scummy, makes me suspect they are a scumteam.
##Vote TEAM EDWARD
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2011 10:03 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:56 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 09:49 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2011 09:48 GMarshal wrote:
Hey! I know namecalling is *hilarious*, but its not conducive to finding scum, so please focus on that instead.
Oh and prplhz is scum, he is deliberately derailing the town.
##Vote: TEAM VIKING
Could you elaborate? Filter him. His grammar and spelling is annoying and he's pushing nonesense that doesn't further finding scum. Could you provide specific examples where he is deliberately derailing town?
@GM. Reposting this.
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@Kita
On November 03 2011 07:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 07:01 Sevryn wrote:On November 03 2011 06:06 Palmar wrote:Welcome to Couples Therapy mafia
![[image loading]](http://outbreaknews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/handshake.jpg) Everyone knows that pairs is the ultimate form of human interaction. Much more so than larger groups and yet not down to a single induvidual, the lovers, the brothers, the master and his servant, the husband and wife, the father and son. It's in couples that humans greatest relationships are created.
It takes two to tango!
And now there is one less pair in liquidville, after discovering a long lasting affair with Jackal58, OriginalName was completely defeated. Just as our strongest relationships come in pairs, it's also the biggest disappointment when those fail. Blinded by rage OriginalName murdered both Palmar and the third wheel in the relationship Jackal58, before taking his own life.
Incidentally, there's also some mafia guys in liquidville that you have to hunt down and lynch.
OriginalName The Loving Husband has taken his own lifeJackal58 The Playboy has been murderedPalmar The Unfaithful Wife has been murdered It is now Day 1, it ends Friday, Nov 04 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to secure a lynch. Yes I know I'm starting an hour early. Deal with it. The teams are as follows:
1. sandroba & Sevryn - TEAM SS
2. Forumite & prplhz - TEAM VIKING (aka TEAM DERP)
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo - TEAM CHEZINU
4. Kurumi & RebirthOfLeGenD - TEAM NIPPLE
5. Crofty & Gmarshal - TEAM LIQUID
6. supersoft & GreYMisT - TEAM S&G CONSULTING
7. chaoser & hyshes - TEAM EDWARD
8. iGrok & Katzeleute - TEAM SWITZERLAND
9. redFF & kitaman27 - TEAM RED21
I thought this was couples therapy not love triangle mafia way to quote a huge post with a oneliner how do u feel about the setup? theres been lots of talk already and stuff what do u think? do you like being paired with sandro?
Woo! Lets talk about the setup and our partners, which helps us find scum... how again?
On November 03 2011 08:18 prplhz wrote:
i think redff only says good things
Yay! Relevance! Not
On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:35 Crofty wrote:
Well hi there.
So, its been a couple of hours since the day started, and already two votes on Team Liquid, due to "Crofty is silent" and Crofty is an unknown factor.
Which, frankly, is fair enough. Since I am a newcomer to these forums, and since you haven't had the pleasure of playing mafia with me before, I am a decent enough safe first vote. This also would provoke me to respond by posting, and hopefully giving you some data to work with. Had the tables been turned, I would likely do the same thing, so I'll let this slide for now.
What would you like to know? i would like to know how you like playing with gm so far is he being nice to u? what kind of stuff is he telling you in your qt?
Once again, why are we discussing the interactions inside the team? How does this help us locate scum or do anything of relevance? How does this lead to meaningful discussion?
On November 03 2011 09:43 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:40 redFF wrote:
the only combination of 2 good players is
3. Radfield & wherebugsgo
and ME AND KITA OF COURSE
Any combination of bad players? Also, here's the punctuation that I've been forgetting in my first couple of posts, insert at your own discretion: .-. .- .-. .. - -.-- | .. ... | -... . ... - | .--. --- -. -.--
Once again, lets have a conversation about... teams? How is that helpful? Why is he obliging this tangent?
This is the derailment I'm talking about, he has all these posts about worthless things, that want to go off topic for no apparent reason.
I will admit, I like his last few posts a lot better though.
On November 03 2011 18:02 supersoft wrote:
okay next point is GM accusing team Viking. Prplhz is from denmark and hes no anglistic expert. i dont mind some minor mistakes and i do them, too. i know you say he's doing that interpunctuation mistakes on purpose, and you say that a townie has no reason to be hard to understand.
i think however, that scum has no reason to be hard to understand, too. therefor...
I think you are being deliberatly daft here supersoft. Use your brain, why is Chezinu a great asset to a scum team? Because half the people don't even read his posts because they are nonsense. Smart scum could achieve a similar effect through atrocious use of spelling and grammar. As a rule townies want to be transparent, while scum want to muddle the waters.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:35 Crofty wrote:
Well hi there.
So, its been a couple of hours since the day started, and already two votes on Team Liquid, due to "Crofty is silent" and Crofty is an unknown factor.
Which, frankly, is fair enough. Since I am a newcomer to these forums, and since you haven't had the pleasure of playing mafia with me before, I am a decent enough safe first vote. This also would provoke me to respond by posting, and hopefully giving you some data to work with. Had the tables been turned, I would likely do the same thing, so I'll let this slide for now.
What would you like to know? i would like to know how you like playing with gm so far is he being nice to u? what kind of stuff is he telling you in your qt? Once again, why are we discussing the interactions inside the team? How does this help us locate scum or do anything of relevance? How does this lead to meaningful discussion?
Seems relavent to me. I'm pretty sure he is trying to tell if the response was coached or not.
On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:
This is the derailment I'm talking about, he has all these posts about worthless things, that want to go off topic for no apparent reason.
So are saying you think he is trying to promote a scum agenda by causing chaos or is he just spamming?
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On November 03 2011 21:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:On November 03 2011 08:39 prplhz wrote:On November 03 2011 08:35 Crofty wrote:
Well hi there.
So, its been a couple of hours since the day started, and already two votes on Team Liquid, due to "Crofty is silent" and Crofty is an unknown factor.
Which, frankly, is fair enough. Since I am a newcomer to these forums, and since you haven't had the pleasure of playing mafia with me before, I am a decent enough safe first vote. This also would provoke me to respond by posting, and hopefully giving you some data to work with. Had the tables been turned, I would likely do the same thing, so I'll let this slide for now.
What would you like to know? i would like to know how you like playing with gm so far is he being nice to u? what kind of stuff is he telling you in your qt? Once again, why are we discussing the interactions inside the team? How does this help us locate scum or do anything of relevance? How does this lead to meaningful discussion? Seems relavent to me. I'm pretty sure he is trying to tell if the response was coached or not. Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:
This is the derailment I'm talking about, he has all these posts about worthless things, that want to go off topic for no apparent reason. So are saying you think he is trying to promote a scum agenda by causing chaos or is he just spamming?
1.) *if* a player is being coached he isn't going to say "oh, he told me to say ____" in fact the response is probably going to be "oh, you know, we talked about stuff" independent of any coaching that may be going on. Its worthless discussion because its not going to lead to anything, and any statements made about what happens between the two players are entirely unprovable, Its completely irrelevant and isn't going to add anything to the discussion, or help finding scum
2.) I'm not sure, I'm waiting on more evidence to draw a conclusion, there isn't much difference between the two, spamming usually seeds chaos, as to whether it is done with a scum agenda, I'm not sure, I think it may be scum motivated, but we'll see.
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On November 03 2011 21:40 GMarshal wrote:@Kita Yay! Relevance! Not
he's right about this though
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okay chezinu is someone who talks a lot, but has no pull because noone really understands what hes up to?!
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On November 03 2011 22:58 supersoft wrote:
okay chezinu is someone who talks a lot, but has no pull because noone really understands what hes up to?!
Which means no one ever kills him.
What was the last game you remember where he was lynched, despite spouting nonesense?
Same theory behind muddling your speech pasterns, it makes people less likely to pay attention to you, that way you trade pull for survivability . If you can't understand why that is beneficial to mafia then I can't help you.
As I said, town strives for clarity and transparency. Scum do the opposite.
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kitaman27
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On November 03 2011 10:22 sandroba wrote:
I have aditional thoughts on the setup which I'll save for discussion half way through the day.
Was there a reason you wanted to wait rather than contribute now? Also, was there a reason you wanted us to know you were waiting?
I'm also looking forward to hearing from Radfield. I still don't forgive him for his sneaky disappearance during Salem.
Team Nipple, Team Switzerland and Team SS aren't pulling their weight yet. In a mini game where we only have 2 mislynches until we are at LYLO, we can't afford a slow start, especially with the threat of not being able to reach a majority.
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On November 03 2011 23:04 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 22:58 supersoft wrote:
okay chezinu is someone who talks a lot, but has no pull because noone really understands what hes up to?! Which means no one ever kills him. What was the last game you remember where he was lynched, despite spouting nonesense? Same theory behind muddling your speech pasterns, it makes people less likely to pay attention to you, that way you trade pull for survivability . If you can't understand why that is beneficial to mafia then I can't help you. As I said, town strives for clarity and transparency. Scum do the opposite.
yes okay. you're right in general. i was more focussed on this individial case with prplhz and i didnt get the feeling that he did that on purpose. that doesnt mean i think he's protown in general.
i am going to filter our viking team now and after that i'll reread chaosers partner hyshes. i wann compare his play in this game to his play in snmm. lets what we can get.
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