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On October 31 2012 07:56 scarper65 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:52 TheYango wrote:On October 31 2012 07:48 Numy wrote:
Hmm tournament streams maybe but I think personal streams will still be going strong. Again, I don't consider personal solo queue streams to be in the same realm as professional play because personal solo queue stream revenue/viewership does nothing to grow tournaments or professional teams. On October 31 2012 07:49 scarper65 wrote:
The viewer numbers go up due to the higher quality of play. I seriously doubt people will stop watching just because TSM is out of the tournament. Except there are people that did just that at S2 finals. You can go to the LR thread on TL and find a bunch of posts saying "I'm not watching the finals because CLG.Eu/M5 are both out". And TL is a site that's fairly receptive to "game quality > fanboying favorite teams". Outside of TL I'd expect a much higher rate of viewership attrition. Did the finals have the most viewers?
Yes, but not by a lot. A direct comparison is not really practical because the groupstages were played on weekdays for the most part (all except for the DC-fest fiasco on Saturday which rightfully saw viewership plummet due to the issues), while the Finals were played on a weekend, which inherently entails more viewership.
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On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose 
It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad.
The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself.
Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this.
Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit.
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I am a fan and rooting for a team because I like its overall attitude and historical background, but most importantly because I like certain personalities. Not only regarding e-sports, but something like football / soccer, too. Basically everywhere where I like what certain people are doing for an interest i share with them.
For example, CLG.na is a veteran team since LoL became big and I like how they cause real drama every then an now, but for the most part I like them because of Chauster since he is king.
So I'd prefer CLG.na's group phase games over the bo5 grand finals between two highly mechanically skilled korean top tier teams just because I'm a fan. And that's only CLG.na. I can imagine that it has even more impfact in case of a team like TSM who probably have on of THE best PR mechanisms working for them and attract a lot of people.
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On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit.
You do realize that winning 1 single match would have meant $25,000 more for them? And this is a much bigger disadvantage than a half a second peek at the minimap during a pause before a remake, which is what got everyone up in arms.
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Why flat AP when her passive does not scale with AP?
Flat armor red and yellow, gold quints. For blues there are some different opinions as far as I know. Flat/scaling MR is obviously good; some players (I think spellsy?) recommends flat or scaling mana regen blues.
Build boots/ruby crystal ideally on your first back. HoG is important on Sona.
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On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse.
What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika.
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On October 31 2012 08:04 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. You do realize that winning 1 single match would have meant $25,000 more for them? And this is a much bigger disadvantage than a half a second peek at the minimap during a pause before a remake, which is what got everyone up in arms.
Winning one match means both Saigon Jokers and Dignitas would be 1-2 in the group, which means they would tiebreak for 3rd/4th in the group. It's possible that Dignitas could win the tiebreak game, but given how the first head-to-head game looked, I wouldn't say that's a guaranteed $25k for them.
EDIT: Actually Najin 3-0ed the group. Dignitas beating CLG.Eu would mean 3-way tie for 2nd seed, which would have to be tiebroken. Though that's assuming that CLG.Eu would lose to Dignitas' secret strat (my personal belief is they wouldn't have regardless), and CLG.Eu would still probably beat Dignitas in the tiebreakers, and it would again come down to SAJ vs. DIG for last place in the group.
Either way, winning 1 game doesn't guarantee them $25k more. It gives them a SHOT at $25k more where they still have to beat one or more of the teams that beat them the first time around (i.e. the shot is fairly slim).
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Is Zyra an effective support? Or is it only a niche pick depending on your team?
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On October 31 2012 08:09 WiseBagus wrote:
Is Zyra an effective support? Or is it only a niche pick depending on your team?
She's a solid support.
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On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit.
so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats.
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On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:
so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats.
"Breaking the meta" implies that the "new and interesting strats" are good enough to actually alter the way the game is conventionally played, which would imply that the strategy is strong enough stand on its own merits regardless of getting leaked.
This one clearly isn't.
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On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit.
Well their plan was to cheese CLG.eu and then they thought they could easily beat Seigon since they thought them to be the weakest team in the group. And CLG.eu wouldn't know about Dig's strat unless Dyrus went full retard, which he did, so yes, I guess CLg.eu was completely oblivious.
And I know loose vs lose is confusing to non English speakers so I thought I'd help you out. Sorry that you're offended?
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On October 31 2012 08:11 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:09 WiseBagus wrote:
Is Zyra an effective support? Or is it only a niche pick depending on your team? She's a solid support.
I think in Gosu Pepper's AMA today he put her as the 4th best support right now behind janna, nunu, and taric.
She's my favorite support to play atm.
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On October 31 2012 07:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:29 petered wrote:On October 31 2012 07:21 TheYango wrote:On October 31 2012 07:17 petered wrote:On October 31 2012 06:51 TheYango wrote:
LoL is due for the "Asians are taking over the scene" drop in western players/viewers soon.
Happened in BW/SC2/DotA/etc. LoL isn't going to escape it. Though the scene is healthy enough to survive it anyway and continue growing. The stream revenue from LoL is far bigger than it was for those other games (due to the much larger fanbase). The west won't lose pro players because unlike the other games you don't need to be the best to make a living off of it. It has the potential to lose tournament viewership due to a lot of viewers not caring to watch tournaments where their favorite teams lose (even on TL, which generally has a better attitude about these sorts of things, there were a lot of people who decided to not watch the TPA vs. Frost Finals because it was 2 Asian teams). This in turn affects potential sponsorship both for teams and for events. You may lose some tourney viewership in the big events, but the bulk of the LoL pro money is coming from solo queue streams atm. The other games (BW, SC2, Dota) all depended on sponsorships to maintain a relevant pro team. I don't think that is true for LoL. Also the game is much more personality driven, so individuals can get personal sponsorships and such even while not being a top pro player (think Incontrol and Idra for the SC2 equivalent). See, I don't consider solo queue streams revenue toward the professional scene because it contributes toward neither establishing tournaments nor establishing teams. It allows players to generate an income stream playing the game, but in a completely different way from professional competitive play. It's arguable that it actually detracts from professional competitive play (especially given how streaming income is most common on NA, and actual competitive play on NA has deteriorated the most).
This conversation started because you claimed that the West would lose players because the asians are better. I am not arguing the stream to make money is the way to develop a top team/player, I am saying the West won't lose players because there is money to be made there.
I agree with your analysis, just disagree that the west will lose players because the asians are better.
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I, for one, hope Zyra support gets nerfed into the ground.
Also I hope whoever popularized that gets a fuckload of homework for the next 3 months.
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Zyra support makes sense because her Q and E are basically Lina's nukes from DotA with their targeting reversed.
And instead of an ult that zaps one guy, you get an enormous AoE CC ult.
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On October 31 2012 08:23 TheYango wrote:
Zyra support makes sense because her Q and E are basically Lina's nukes from DotA with their targeting reversed.
And instead of an ult that zaps one guy, you get an enormous AoE CC ult.
And her plants scale with levels instead of ap. big dmgs.
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On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats.
It's roam taric for fuck sake lol.Are you serious.CLG played in Korea for a decent chunk of the year,supports showing up on the map frequently is an anomaly in their head by now.
Bruiser mid is really good if the other team picks a melee ap(it's froggen were talking about here) apart from that it's manageable.
On October 31 2012 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika.
Right,except that their secret strats weren't that innovative at all.
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