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On October 31 2012 07:20 smOOthMayDie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:06 Louuster wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
He leaked Digs strats while talking to Wickd before their match at Worlds. Oh, is that really such a big deal? Pretty sure most professional organizations (outside of esports) do this all the time. Also, if it was meant to be a secret, why tell anyone outside of your team. Lol >.>; Like, what would they have done if they had to play TSM? They would already know the strategy. Doesnt seem like a reason to have to put up an apology.
You got to be kidding me right ? I dont follow the LoL scene at all, but if this happened in let say cl finale in football ? Omg you couldnt imagine the shitstorm that player would get. I think he would be done with professional football.
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On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose  It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit.
>_>; 'Loose' and 'Lose' are words of two completely different meanings. 'Loose' means something isnt firmly or tightly fixed in place. I dont think he was being a dick in correcting you. No reason to be defensive. :/
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On October 31 2012 08:20 SgtSquiglz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 08:09 WiseBagus wrote:
Is Zyra an effective support? Or is it only a niche pick depending on your team? She's a solid support. I think in Gosu Pepper's AMA today he put her as the 4th best support right now behind janna, nunu, and taric. She's my favorite support to play atm.
Surprising list. Did he give reasons or just a list?
No sona or blitz means he really thinks the nerfs were strong.
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On October 31 2012 08:21 Craton wrote:
I, for one, hope Zyra support gets nerfed into the ground.
Also I hope whoever popularized that gets a fuckload of homework for the next 3 months.
Madlife was the earliest person I remember using Zyra support in big games.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but if I'm right, you're basically asking Mad God to do a fuckload of homework.
Nice.
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On October 31 2012 08:26 Kenpark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:20 smOOthMayDie wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 Louuster wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
He leaked Digs strats while talking to Wickd before their match at Worlds. Oh, is that really such a big deal? Pretty sure most professional organizations (outside of esports) do this all the time. Also, if it was meant to be a secret, why tell anyone outside of your team. Lol >.>; Like, what would they have done if they had to play TSM? They would already know the strategy. Doesnt seem like a reason to have to put up an apology. You got to be kidding me right ? I dont follow the LoL scene at all, but if this happened in let say cl finale in football ? Omg you couldnt imagine the shitstorm that player would get. I think he would be done with professional football.
Well I was more so thinking of how in American football, a team knew several plays in an enemy teams playbook.
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Obv pro teams watched me carrying my ranked support zyra game where i was only positive on my team and dominated with 0 cs farm champs not creeps gg
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On October 31 2012 08:24 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats. It's roam taric for fuck sake lol.Are you serious.CLG played in Korea for a decent chunk of the year,supports showing up on the map frequently is an anomaly in their head by now. Bruiser mid is really good if the other team picks a melle ap(it's froggen were talking about here) apart from that it's manageable. Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika. Right,except that their secret strats weren't that innovative at all.
It's a matter of principle, no one is saying Dig would have won or not because it's irrelevant. If you buy a lottery ticket and I steal it from you I'm still an asshole whether or not it's a winning ticket.
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On October 31 2012 08:26 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:20 SgtSquiglz wrote:On October 31 2012 08:11 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 08:09 WiseBagus wrote:
Is Zyra an effective support? Or is it only a niche pick depending on your team? She's a solid support. I think in Gosu Pepper's AMA today he put her as the 4th best support right now behind janna, nunu, and taric. She's my favorite support to play atm. Surprising list. Did he give reasons or just a list? No sona or blitz means he really thinks the nerfs were strong.
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/12bjc6/m5_edward_gosu_pepper_abgaryan_stream_link_ama/
was his AMA. From what I read he still seems to like blitz, but doesnt want to play sona anymore.
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On October 31 2012 07:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
armor reds/yellows/mr blue/gp10 quints, build hp first
I don't think sona needs gp10 because it is easy for her to stay alive in mid late game without items. I think she is often better off with some good base stats so she shows a strong presence in her lane. so the quints should be manareg/ap/ms or anything that makes her laneing better. I'am still experimenting though. even tried mpen red+quints into double dorans and similar stuff. everything feels better than gp10 though.
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On October 31 2012 08:30 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:24 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats. It's roam taric for fuck sake lol.Are you serious.CLG played in Korea for a decent chunk of the year,supports showing up on the map frequently is an anomaly in their head by now. Bruiser mid is really good if the other team picks a melle ap(it's froggen were talking about here) apart from that it's manageable. On October 31 2012 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika. Right,except that their secret strats weren't that innovative at all. It's a matter of principle, no one is saying Dig would have won or not because it's irrelevant. If you buy a lottery ticket and I steal it from you I'm still an asshole whether or not it's a winning ticket.
I think everyone agrees that it was a reprehensible thing for Dyrus to do.
At the same time, nobody should think that this would likely have changed any of the eventual outcomes. Least of all IWD for blaming their performance on it.
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On October 31 2012 08:32 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
armor reds/yellows/mr blue/gp10 quints, build hp first I don't think sona needs gp10 because it is easy for her to stay alive in mid late game without items. I think she is often better off with some good base stats so she shows a strong presence in her lane. so the quints should be manareg/ap/ms or anything that makes her laneing better. I'am still experimenting though. even tried mpen red+quints into double dorans and similar stuff. everything feels better than gp10 though.
what does staying alive have to do with getting gp10, and she doesnt have more survivability than any other support.
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On October 31 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:30 Dan HH wrote:On October 31 2012 08:24 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:
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Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats. It's roam taric for fuck sake lol.Are you serious.CLG played in Korea for a decent chunk of the year,supports showing up on the map frequently is an anomaly in their head by now. Bruiser mid is really good if the other team picks a melle ap(it's froggen were talking about here) apart from that it's manageable. On October 31 2012 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika. Right,except that their secret strats weren't that innovative at all. It's a matter of principle, no one is saying Dig would have won or not because it's irrelevant. If you buy a lottery ticket and I steal it from you I'm still an asshole whether or not it's a winning ticket. I think everyone agrees that it was a reprehensible thing for Dyrus to do. At the same time, nobody should think that this would likely have changed any of the eventual outcomes. Least of all IWD for blaming their performance on it.
^Word,now on to happier things.
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On October 31 2012 08:32 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 07:57 zulu_nation8 wrote:
armor reds/yellows/mr blue/gp10 quints, build hp first I don't think sona needs gp10 because it is easy for her to stay alive in mid late game without items. I think she is often better off with some good base stats so she shows a strong presence in her lane. so the quints should be manareg/ap/ms or anything that makes her laneing better. I'am still experimenting though. even tried mpen red+quints into double dorans and similar stuff. everything feels better than gp10 though.
That's so risky, if it goes to late game the enemy support will have 2 major items more than you.
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Dyrus could've just as easily not said anything, and no shit storm would've happen. I'm glad he at least manned up to it. Shit like this is bound to happen, especially in a scene where players are so young. Still tons of learning to do by a lot of pro players.
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On October 31 2012 08:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 08:30 Dan HH wrote:On October 31 2012 08:24 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 08:13 Ota Solgryn wrote:On October 31 2012 07:59 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:49 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:44 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:36 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:
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Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. Except Dignitas never told anyone that Dyrus did this, lol. They haven't made a single complaint about it. That said, you're an idiot if you think this is anywhere near CLG's excuse. Dyrus completely betrayed Dignitas. Who cares if they didn't say Dyrus,I'm not even defending him.Newman for instance basically said an hour ago that it's why dig lost,scarra said something similar. It's exactly the same thing as CLGs purple side excuse,because it just shows that they are banking on winning one series if EVERYTHING goes their way and loose if something goes wrong. CLG and Dig 2 biggest jokes of the tournament. Except there's a huge difference between banking on a coinflip and planning a strat that you will pull out. What do you mean EVERYTHING goes their way. There were literally 0 things that could go wrong for DIG that would make this strat void other than getting outplayed or the strat being leaked by le Dyrus. CLG banked on getting a coinflip in their favor. How are these 2 similar again? And it's lose, not loose It's similar because they can only win one series with it max if the other teams are not completely oblivious as to what's going on with their group opponents,which is highly unlikely.The rest they loose because they are bad. The fact that they even allude to loosing because 2 shitty strats like those were leaked is pathetic in itself. Dyrus is still an idiot in all of this. Btw you can gently go fuck yourself with that grammar nazi bullshit. so you completely ignorer the fact that one strat was based on getting a lucky coinflip, while the other is base on execution and the element of surprice. and in this case The former was ruined by a bad coinflip and the latter by a person leaking it. this to me completely ruins a teams incentive to break the meta and come up with new and interesting strats. It's roam taric for fuck sake lol.Are you serious.CLG played in Korea for a decent chunk of the year,supports showing up on the map frequently is an anomaly in their head by now. Bruiser mid is really good if the other team picks a melle ap(it's froggen were talking about here) apart from that it's manageable. On October 31 2012 08:06 NeoIllusions wrote:On October 31 2012 07:19 TheKefka wrote:On October 31 2012 07:06 HazMat wrote:On October 31 2012 07:04 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Can someone fill me in on what 'mistake' dyrus made?
Told Wickd Dignitas' strategy because he's a douche bag. Yea roam taric and bruiser mid,killer strat for worlds,would have taken them straight to the finals for sure. Dyrus is a idiot but if dig are really saying that that's why they lost than it falls into the category of CLG's purple side excuse. What? No one said that dig was going to make it deep. But when it's group stage and all the matches of best of 1, all-in strats like that do work. dig has shown that they're the kings of innovation out of the Troika. Right,except that their secret strats weren't that innovative at all. It's a matter of principle, no one is saying Dig would have won or not because it's irrelevant. If you buy a lottery ticket and I steal it from you I'm still an asshole whether or not it's a winning ticket. I think everyone agrees that it was a reprehensible thing for Dyrus to do. At the same time, nobody should think that this would likely have changed any of the eventual outcomes. Least of all IWD for blaming their performance on it.
"Reprehensible"? I dunno. It wasn't deliberate or malicious. I'd put it more in the "boneheaded" or "moronic" or "incredibly thoughtless" category. He seemed very contrite. Not to give him a free pass or anything, I just think there's a difference if someone deliberately screws people over (eg, steals a lottery ticket) or accidentally does it because they're stupid (tosses your lottery ticket out with the trash because it was near the trash pile he didn't know what it was).
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Dyrus said it was his single most stupidest mistake he has ever done in his life, lets just forgive him
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Moronic, sure. But why would we forgive him just because he came out 3 weeks later with an apology video? Intent is up in the air but the actions speak for themselves.
It's one thing to play the villains of the NA LoL scene (baylife and not give a fk) but it's another to be hypocritical (TSM's reaction to Woong/Frost) and immature (3/5 TSM players).
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The comparison I still like to make is that I'm going to watch the Super Bowl no matter who is in it. I would like for my favorite team to make it, but I know that's not entirely feasible every year. And it's pretty easy to learn about teams from the Asian scene with resources like Leaguepedia or GGChronicle had its comprehensive team previews right before the finals.
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They are progamers not rolemodels, just because they got good at this game doesn't mean their characters improved too. Instead of holding them to be rolemodels we should just laugh and enjoy the drama. It is kinda hypocritical to call someone like Regi and douche then turn around and flame your teammates in solo queue.
This also applies to people not wanting to root for a player for being douchey or something, if you feel like league players should provide you with moral guidance on top of performance and entertainment, you need to reevaluate your life.
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Wicked can apparently play Irelia terribly while talking with someone in IRC and blame lag.
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