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Z-BosoN
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On October 12 2012 10:49 Mattchew wrote: how are reads and answers to questions random crap/stuff | ||
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
That's IT ZBos. I've seen Mattchew fuck off and do jack shit for a whole game before. I'm hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter" and your case is laughably bad at convincing me that he's scum. Frankly I don't give a FUCK that you're "angry" about how "arrogant" and "bad" I'm playing. I'm here, and I'm trying. I don't care if you don't like the quality of my play, and I don't give a fuck that you don't like that I haven't been building "cases" up to your exacting standards. I'm doing what I can when I can. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
I have a strong town read on both darthpunk and Z-boson they have been very open with their thought process and explaining why they think what they think they read as town to me. I really want to lynch shaopi he has done nothing to make me think he is town. ## Vote Shaopi | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
If so, then then that argument consists on the fact that your posts are reminiscient of someone who spouts a bunch of random crap pseudoreads on people only to not revisit them ever again I.e. Someone who wants to look like he's scumhunting but really isn't. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On October 13 2012 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote: What do you think of Kreb iamp? I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention him at all. I haven't really paid attention to him. i can read his filter when i get back from dinner. Although i would like him to explain more on why we need to absolutely lynch you. I see the possibilities concerning you but i dont see how someone could be absolutely sure in regards to your alignment after all that has transpired. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 13 2012 03:21 slOosh wrote: Initially thought Kreb was just someone who likes to setup spec, but there's mafia agenda in his play. Namely working things for a VE lynch. Regardless of what you may think of VE's alignment the way he goes about it is scummy. Here gives his opinion of Z-BosoN when he starts getting pressured (primarily by VE), and starts by saying his defense is terrible but by the end decides that he doesn't look that bad. After the kush flip he agrees with Z-BosoN against VE: He flips from "suspecting" ZB to agreeing with him in lynching VE, the guy whom ZB's defense was against. Along with a string of similar quotes, he pushes forth the idea that there are inordinate blues - but he does it in a way that casts doubt on the living blue claims VE and MMT. Notice how VE isn't suspicious because of his behavior now, but because of his claim (which seems "somewhat valid"). Stuff like this is indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it. 'if VE is rolecop+cop then there must be a alignment + role framer, but an alignment + role framer is really unlikely to exist, so ... (VE is a liar but I'm not gonna say it up front)' - kinda thing. It's only much later he finally commits to a vote even though it's the thing he has been talking about the whole time, and when grilled by risk, his reasoning is based on the premise that VE is scum and justifying / doing setup spec around this, opposed to drawing conclusions from the events. I'd be down with a Kreb lynch. First bolded part: Im not sure why you say Im suspecting ZB. I never said that, dotn put words in my mouth please. And quite frankly, even if I said towards the end "ZB look really scummy because of this and I have strong suspicions of him", what makes it so that I cant agree on points he make anyway? Second bolded part: LOL? Is your argument that Im trying to shift suspicions VEs way without committing myself? If anything, I've been pretty damn clear of my suspicions of VE whole game. If you want to hold that against me, fine (I've been questioning my own tunneling a fair bit tbh, so if you do the same thats natural). But you accuse me of doing the opposite? "indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it"? The fuck? Oh, and you're pretty damn right Im trying to cast doubts on VE. Thats because I have pretty big doubts of him and I want him lynched. If that wasnt clear Im not sure how I could make it clear. And how exactly has are my conclusions not based on events? Meanwhile, this is the second time you strangely try to start suspicions of people. First time on BC where you backed off very soon. This time your whole post seem to have been provoked by VE asking a broad question of what people think of me. Is that really the best you can do, cant you initiate any reads at all rather than jumping on other possibilities opening up? Oh, and you still havent said a word about why you voted Matt. Im waiting. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
I dont see anything scummy with DP or ZB. ZB is explaining his reasoning well and is starting to look quite towning. DP is more towards null, but overall hes doing an ok job contributing and the so called scum slip is nothing Im gonna vote against him for. The three players I'm more interesting in (disregarding VE) are Sloosh, Shiao and Matt. All of those three as in somewhat of the same boat: People seem to expect them to be much more contributory than they are. But none of the are really active so its hard to get a strong scum read on any of them. I'd say Shiao and Sloosh looks somewhat worse than Matt through their actions though. Slooshes jump on both BC and me doesnt seem very genuine. And Shiao has had fairly lackluster scumhunting and reasoning behind his actions. Matt seems to be more purposedly not giving a fuck and not contributing, though that might not necessarily mean anything either way. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
4 pages of filter in 2 game days, and he was then night-killed. Presumably for being too townie. This game hasn't been like...intimidating at all - we've had 2 scums handed to us on a silver platter and the following lynch, my red check, was pretty much automatic too. Yet, in spite of this, Kreb has had nothing substantial to contribute except hopping on bandwagons and (more recently) tunneling me like he's got a sure thing. ##Vote: Kreb | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 13 2012 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote: ZBos I'm not responding to your case on Mattchew because its points are, literally:
That's IT ZBos. I've seen Mattchew fuck off and do jack shit for a whole game before. I'm hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter" and your case is laughably bad at convincing me that he's scum. Frankly I don't give a FUCK that you're "angry" about how "arrogant" and "bad" I'm playing. I'm here, and I'm trying. I don't care if you don't like the quality of my play, and I don't give a fuck that you don't like that I haven't been building "cases" up to your exacting standards. I'm doing what I can when I can. Oh wait!!! But see, had you actually read it, I stated in that very same post that MY read was a meta read, because I've seen shady on a BUNCH of games -- UNLIKE MATTCHEW!! "This is your only good point if true". Aww thanks, I'm flattered, you are so cute, that's all I've ever wanted. Except no. Annul was playing scummy, that's why he got vigged. BC is playing like hardcore 3rd party (slight offside of scum). Sloosh I've also noticed how he's very different from his LVII pseudo-town meta, and am still unsure of. It's not like I'm using that argument with tunnel vision. If you've seen mattchew fuck off and do jack shit then why haven't you said so? You are hesitant to call him scum because of his "pathetic filter"? Really? You are gonna take two fucking words and sum my entire case up on it? When only above you have even said that "This is your only good point if true"? Don't say it's laughably bad if you actually even admit that some points make sense. See what I mean by you being arrogant? So let me get this straight. Here's your little carefully plotted scumlist and how you are proceding to deal with them: me: Voted on annul. Then unvoted. Fuck his tradeoff with DarthPunk and the entirety of DP's arguments. He voted annul and then he unvoted lololol DP: He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument. Fuck his trade off with Z-BosoN and the entirety of ZB's arguments. He jumped on a crappy "scumslip" argument and looks like he knows what's up. lololol ShiaoPi: His name has FOUR appearances in your filter. FOUR. You haven't even commented on why you think he's scum or added jack shit to his case. You just nonchallantly added his name there. Kreb: Omg he wants to lynch me despite my extremely legit-looking cop claim lololol!! Mattchew: Has done shit this game. Fuck any other arguments, he's done jack shit lolol!! Actually nvm, he can't be that non-protown. ZB's case is laughably bad now, because all he says is that Mattchew has done jack shit! You look like you are passively concocting up some people and not doing any research whatsoever. It doesn't look like you are reading anybody's filter. It doesn't look like you are legitimately trying to scumhunt. In your 14 pages of filter I've read, there is no evidence of this. See, remember I was under the assumption you and mementoss were legit? Right now I'm playing under that assumption and shit and I'm having an incredible hard time giving that assumption any credibility. I'll keep it for today because I still think there are better lynch targets, but ffs, you haven't pushed SHIT!! The most you've done is: I want to lynch X because of Y. Where Y is a shit one-liner reason that shows no real effort. If I'm a scumread why aren't you reading my filter? If both me AND darth are your scumreads why don't you read our exchange? I mean, fuck, if I honestly thought two people who have like three pages arguing against each other are scum I would certainly CERTAINLY read it and draw conclusions. But no. You are just casually putting our names there as if drawing names from a hat. On shiaopi it's even worse. It's ridiculous. Control+F "Shiao" on his entire filter and see what you will find on his "lynch candidate". He's casually laying back and putting his reasoning behind toutestchaos, me, and like 3 other people who have made cases against shiao. This is fucking ridiculous. It's not like you are my prince in shining armor and I expect you to win the game and gallantly throw us roses as you ride into the sunset. Fuck that. You are doing a despicable job for any standards whatsoever, and that is what concerns me and why I'm bitching about. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You're trying to draw me into a flame war. You can get bent. Once we lynch Kreb, we lynch you. Then if the game isn't over we lynch BC. GG scum. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
No, I don't want a flame war. I want you giving reason as to why you think we should lynch your candidates and even bother making arguments on them, instead of casually laying them down and avoiding making any sort of discussion whatsoever. Sorry if this hurts your little feelings. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I READ VE'S FILTER AND THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING LOLOLOL As if people aren't going to go look for themselves after something like that. You want to see what a "vet that isn't scumhunting" looks like, go read BC's filter. THAT guy is doing fuck all. I've been generating discussion, reading the thread and drawing conclusions based on what I'm reading. I haven't posted huge ass WIFOM strewn cases because I've found that people don't fucking listen to me when I do that shit. I've been playing in a way that I've found optimal. Like I said - I don't care if you don't like it. But you're not going to sit there and dance around this "VE is scum" bullshit that you're trying to instill in town while saying shit like "But I'm still operating under the assumption that your claim is legit" like what the fuck is that? Are you trying to ANNOY me into making a case? GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 13 2012 09:04 Z-BosoN wrote: Interesting how you have a knack of ignoring 90% of my posts and using the 10% you don't like to dismiss it. No I don't - I respond to the 10% that warrants response. The rest of it is just you going "lololol" and appealing to emotion. Not worth my fucking time. Try later - I'm at work right now and I'm dangerously low on THC. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
It doesn't look like you are legitimately trying to scumhunt. In your 14 pages of filter I've read, there is no evidence of this. The word legitimately changes things no? I don't take your scumhunting as legit =/= you have no scumhunting. BC isn't doing fuckall because he's scum/3rd party. I'm not instilling anything in town. I'm making valid points about how you are not acting as if you really wanted to find scum. People can read and choose to agree, or disagree, it's not like I'm this evil mastermind sifting through the consciousness of victims and insidiously planting my thoughts there. Hell the fuck yea I'm trying to annoy you to make a case - if you are town. You can begin by telling us why you think shiaopi is scum. You casually added his name to your little list, and when I control+F'd him: 4 results! FOUR! Timeline: "If shiaopi is scum it will show itself" "nothing on DP" --> Shiaopi and DP fall into some scumslip crap "omg omg both shiaopi and DP are lynch-worth" See what I mean by: not legitimately scumhunting? Or do you call the above a legit, 100% foolproof, a work of art attempt at scumhunting? Again, sorry if I hurt your feelings. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 13 2012 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote: No I don't - I respond to the 10% that warrants response. The rest of it is just you going "lololol" and appealing to emotion. Not worth my fucking time. Try later - I'm at work right now and I'm dangerously low on THC. See the arrogance? Appealing to emotion my balls. "lololol" == I think you are full of shit. Perhaps this is just how you play. I guess someone who knows your style can think better of it. | ||
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