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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 12 2012 23:38 slOosh wrote: Kreb, why would scum VE confirm Coag and MMT when confirmed townies can totally screw it up for scum near end game? MMT how do you figure for the other KP? Or do you think there is only 1 anti-town KP? ya what I said is almost definitely wrong lol, I thought after mafia enforcer was killed there was only 1 anti town kp, guess not. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 12 2012 23:47 Mementoss wrote: ya what I said is almost definitely wrong lol, I thought after mafia enforcer was killed there was only 1 anti town kp, guess not. Hapa flipped enforcer like 2 cycles ago ... Also, do you still prefer ShiaoPi over Mattchew? What do you make of him jumping on DP's "scumslip"? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Obey. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Would you guys believe both? I almost don't. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I believe at least one scum can be found in that list. I could be completely wrong though. If 'toss wasn't roleblocked, then I'm thinking scum didn't JUST sacrifice KP last night. They had to do something drastic. What could possibly be powerful enough to warrant sacrificing kills AND actions? I still maintain that the Kush flip was reversed, if that wasn't clear. Now. What does everyone think of Kreb? The guy has been on my case for days...it occurs to me that scum wouldn't be so willing to "come at me bro" when so many people believe (on some level) my claim. Too risky. Anyone else wanna weigh in on this guy? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Frankly I'd almost be willing to lynch Mattchew for that shit even if it costs us the game. I'm so infuriated by that mindset. If you don't want to fucking play, don't sign up. UGH But honestly I think it makes him towns. Scum wouldn't be so....blatantly anti-town, ya know? DarthPunk, ZBoson, PROGRESS!!!!! | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Stay tuned. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
We're lynching him today. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On October 13 2012 01:39 risk.nuke wrote: Vicera. We'll never figure out Mattchews alignment. He deserve to be modkilled but that's not in our hands. Every single other player we're going to get better reads on with time with one exeption. Mattchew. Which makes it neccersary to lynch him in itself. Furthermore he's playing his scum-meta of lurking/notcaring. Try tell me why someone else is a better option. We're lynching him today. Stop ordering me around bish, I'm not conceding that yet. I want to lynch scum. By my estimation we're 3 deep and I'm not going to let unreadable Mattchew be a fucking combo-breaker JUST BECAUSE HE'S NOT PLAYING THE GAME. Present a good case convincing me he's scum, and I'll agree that he's a good lynch today. In the meantime, I'm looking for scum. Feel free to fuck off if you don't want to find scum - but that's my SOLE purpose being here right now, not to be ordered around by you. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
XD | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 12 2012 17:33 Kreb wrote: And Im totally not feeling like voting DP if the whole case is built around him saying "both KP". Thats a very weak case and theres probably plenty of similar could-be-scumslips all over the thread. If someone can find something useful on him which can be added to such a slip, sure. But lynching DP on that flip alone? Hell no. Are you not reading the thread man? Read my case / my exchange with him. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Would have been interesting if both mementoss and VE checked me. That way they'd both be confirmed the same alignment. VE's "omg omg I'ma keep it a secret" is another scumhunting tactic, I presume? For this cycle I'm gonna go with the non-paranoid mindset and assume both VE and Mementoss townie. Can someone please be explain to me this KP mechanic? You sacrifice 1-2 KP so that someone's flip changes, is that right? Why is that so costly? The only advantage I can think of is that town thinks the scumteam is bigger then it actually is... Are there any other KP saving mechanics you guys are aware of? Kush's meta seemed like he was indeed town, which made me think that, but that could have been fabricated if he was scum with the knowledge that he would pop town. I am inclined to think the alternative: The other possibility is one guy shooting BC thinking he was vet, and that we have a roleblocker we are not aware of. If we have a town roleblocker (which I think is the case. If scum had a roleblocker, they would use it most likely, and no one has yet claimed roleblock. We know there is a roleblocker because VE was roleblocked) then please claim and tell us who you blocked, that guy is most certainly scum. I take back what I said about DP being butthurt townie, he's looking pretty scummy. Will have to read more on him to see if he's really scum or no. Keirathi night post was very weird. He doesn't do shit most of all game long, doesn't participate in some of the discussion in where he was clearly present, and suddenly he feels compelled to spout out his reads as if scum would actually kill him, when he could have done so in multiple other times? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 13 2012 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Now. What does everyone think of Kreb? The guy has been on my case for days...it occurs to me that scum wouldn't be so willing to "come at me bro" when so many people believe (on some level) my claim. Too risky. Anyone else wanna weigh in on this guy? Initially thought Kreb was just someone who likes to setup spec, but there's mafia agenda in his play. Namely working things for a VE lynch. Regardless of what you may think of VE's alignment the way he goes about it is scummy. Here gives his opinion of Z-BosoN when he starts getting pressured (primarily by VE), and starts by saying his defense is terrible but by the end decides that he doesn't look that bad. After the kush flip he agrees with Z-BosoN against VE: On October 11 2012 19:09 Kreb wrote: Thats actually a very good point. Its really about time we lynch him. He flips from "suspecting" ZB to agreeing with him in lynching VE, the guy whom ZB's defense was against. On October 11 2012 21:25 Kreb wrote: Theres strange things going on with these claims. There a seemingly massive amount of Blues in the game (does mafia have something else to balance the possible town advantage of plenty of blues then? if so, what?) while still being 4 unclaimed roles (hitman, coroner, detective, arsonist). Thats one 3rd party, but could be another blue among the rest. Cant really put my finger on what it could be though. All claims seem somewhat valid, but that doesnt feel right either. Along with a string of similar quotes, he pushes forth the idea that there are inordinate blues - but he does it in a way that casts doubt on the living blue claims VE and MMT. Notice how VE isn't suspicious because of his behavior now, but because of his claim (which seems "somewhat valid"). On October 11 2012 23:13 Kreb wrote: Or wait a second again. If VEs role is a cop+rolecop, that means there must be a alignment+role Framer for Kush to have been Framed. Thats seems quite unlikely. Had Kush flipper Coroner it would have all made sense, but he flipped Vanilla Townie. It seems really unlikely theres a alignment+role Framer.... Stuff like this is indirect doubt on VE without actually saying it. 'if VE is rolecop+cop then there must be a alignment + role framer, but an alignment + role framer is really unlikely to exist, so ... (VE is a liar but I'm not gonna say it up front)' - kinda thing. It's only much later he finally commits to a vote even though it's the thing he has been talking about the whole time, and when grilled by risk, his reasoning is based on the premise that VE is scum and justifying / doing setup spec around this, opposed to drawing conclusions from the events. I'd be down with a Kreb lynch. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On October 13 2012 03:12 Z-BosoN wrote: Can someone please be explain to me this KP mechanic? You sacrifice 1-2 KP so that someone's flip changes, is that right? Why is that so costly? The only advantage I can think of is that town thinks the scumteam is bigger then it actually is... Are there any other KP saving mechanics you guys are aware of? Kush's meta seemed like he was indeed town, which made me think that, but that could have been fabricated if he was scum with the knowledge that he would pop town. It's setup speculation, and no one really knows because affecting flips like this is really rare. Like the controversial Death Millers from LIII, but reverse. The idea is that scum "spend their KP" for other effects, in this case to make kush flip town. Wanna flesh out the reads you have? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Kreb drawing attention to himself like this is..pretty ballsy scum play imo. However not all of town has awakened. Namely BC. He's as likely to have been the target of...something...as 'toss and I as far as I'm concerned, regardless of his alignment. I'm tentatively leaning DP for lynch but I can be convinced of a Kreb and POSSIBLY Mattchew as well. | ||
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