On October 12 2012 15:56 ShiaoPi wrote:
Yadayadayada
You are.just flipflopping way too much for your act of "paranoid" townie. You might not be doing it now but I can see coming

What the fuck are you talking about? I am not flip flopping. there was no scum slip. I can understand why it looks bad. But I am not scum.

DarthPunk

Australia10859 Posts

October 12 2012 06:58 GMT

#2584

Seriously Shiao. You are just projecting the shit from last game.

ShiaoPi

TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts

October 12 2012 06:59 GMT

#2585

I am obviously talking about the stuff you spewed out in regards yo VEs speculation. You know too much about whats going on. die scum

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

October 12 2012 07:01 GMT

#2586

All right Easterners - it's 3am here. Time for bed for real this time.

I checked Mementoss because I couldn't make sense of his reaction to BC. I wasn't checking to see if he'd turn up scum. I was checking to see if he turned up Medical Examiner as he claimed. Because unlike SOME people, I'd rather get concrete information in ways that don't require the subjects' deaths. *glare Coag*

Armed with the knowledge that I can trust Mementoss, I intend to set forth with him and tear the remaining scumteam a new asshole. And then we can lynch BC if the game doesn't end. Fair enough?

Good. Good night.

DarthPunk

Australia10859 Posts

October 12 2012 07:18 GMT

#2587

Right. Well I fully expect to get tunnelled tomorrow. So I better get a good nights rest. BAI! <3

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 07:34 GMT

#2588

Just looked at day post, this look to have got even more wierd than it already was lol. Still have not read through everything yet though, but no one getting shot.....? Theres gotta be some wierd mechanics at work here, I highly doubt it was all shots into Veterans, night immunes or medic saves. Well, probably shouldnt comment more before I read it all through....

And Im really starting to dislike how this thread gets like 2/3 of its posts while I sleep.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 08:19 GMT

#2589

I really dont think we should just assume that mafia traded KP for a fixed Kush flip. While it does seem mafia traded KP for something, it could be anything. It could be gaining additional powers, altering their owns powers, fucking with other power roles making whoever might be Blue get fucked reads.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 08:27 GMT

#2590

On October 12 2012 15:02 slOosh wrote:
The heck? So VE's check on MMT clears MMT unless you take both as scum (unless scum can frame themselves?). That gives weight to 3rd party BC but we basically established that already. Can't really make sense of this until we get MMT post.

Z-BosoN looks much better when he handled the pressure last night. Guy looks town.

So as we wait for MMT,
##Vote: Mattchew

It clears MMToss somewhat, because the only way he would be scum is if VE and MMToss is scum together (which might till be a possibility). VE might also be solo scum in that duo, just "throwing away" his night read on someone he already knew what role he was. The possibility of scum-MMT+town-VE is however extremely unlikely.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 08:33 GMT

#2591

And Im totally not feeling like voting DP if the whole case is built around him saying "both KP". Thats a very weak case and theres probably plenty of similar could-be-scumslips all over the thread. If someone can find something useful on him which can be added to such a slip, sure. But lynching DP on that flip alone? Hell no.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 08:59 GMT

#2592

@sloosh

Why are you voting Mattchew without any motivation? I looked through your filter and you've been going after BC and ZB recently, but nothing I could find on Mattchew.

DarthPunk

Australia10859 Posts

October 12 2012 09:30 GMT

#2593

On October 12 2012 17:33 Kreb wrote:
And Im totally not feeling like voting DP if the whole case is built around him saying "both KP". Thats a very weak case and theres probably plenty of similar could-be-scumslips all over the thread. If someone can find something useful on him which can be added to such a slip, sure. But lynching DP on that flip alone? Hell no.

To be fair. That is not all that there is on me. You should read the cases by keirathi and Z-Boson and the stuff around when I thought Viscera Eyes had scum slipped. It is all reasonable fair. But I feel it revolves around changing my mind in reaction to new information and bad play etc.

Obviously I don't feel there is anything that makes me scummy. But it would be unfair to say it is based on that 'slip'.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 10:15 GMT

#2594

On October 12 2012 18:30 DarthPunk wrote:

Show nested quote +

It seemed to be enough for Shiao. He just seemed to read it and go "LOL SCUMSLIP DP IS SCUM". If anything, Shiao came out worse in my eyes because of that.

I'll decide later when I have more time to read whether you're someone I'll consider voting for.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 10:31 GMT

#2595

Im wondering what mafia might have gained on sacrificing KP though. To change Kushs flip does very much not seem worth it.

So, its a fair assumption there were 3 mafia left. With 14ppl alive pre-lynch, that makes it 10 town. 10-3. Lets say Kush was mafia. So they sac two (yea yea, I dont know that either) KPs presumably to gain a mislynch on VE. Even if we are to lynch VE next and he flips his Blue claim, that still means mafia is 9-2. However, they could just have let Kush flip red and kill two guys, making it 8-2 instead. And then they'd also have a chance to choose two targets of their own choice rather than just hoping for a VE mislynch. With 2 paramedics down and no other medic-claims or medic-save-claims, they should be fairly confident to get their 2 kills through.

I dont buy it. If mafia sacced KP, they did it for something more powerful.

Im thinking this might also be related to 3rd party somehow? Maybe 3rd party has some mad power which denies night kills.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 10:32 GMT

#2596

In conclusion, I really think Kush was town. Theres little reason to believe otherwise.

DarthPunk

Australia10859 Posts

October 12 2012 11:02 GMT

#2597

On October 12 2012 19:32 Kreb wrote:
In conclusion, I really think Kush was town. Theres little reason to believe otherwise.

VE disagrees with you.

Kreb

4834 Posts

October 12 2012 11:17 GMT

#2598

Actually, I keep having this voice in the back of my head telling me I shouldnt kinda tunnel VE like Im doing. That its clouding my judgement for the other players. But I cant really see anything on anyone else being equally or more scummy. And I have tried to find reasons as to how he could truly be his PI claim.

But no, fuck that. Every time I or someone else tries to explain it in any other way it just turn into some really wierd assumptions that theres so far hidden roles doing this and that.

No, mafia trading KP to flip Kush as town isnt likely
No, a framer which both frames role and alignment isnt likely.

The most probable explanation is right there in front of us, and that is that VE is scum. And thats even disregarding his previous scummyness he has shown a large part of this game. As for his claim, him being ballsy mafia is much more probable than the other explanations.

I was planning on waiting and see what comes up on the Matt/DP/ZB/whoever else people might wanna vote for - front, but fuck that.

##Vote VisceraEyes

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 12 2012 11:22 GMT

#2599

Haven't read the thread. But I wasn't roleblocked. I watched Z-boson and nothing happened.

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 12 2012 11:25 GMT

#2600

Alright I read to the point where VE checked his sanity.

VE being insane is no longer possible. Only other possibility sanity wise is bastard. Which is just random, but that is pretty harsh.

Kush's flip was hidden or he was framed. 100%

Unless hes just lieing.