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Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:27 GMT
#2601
The real mystery is. Why is no one dead?

Oh shit. Scum believed BC claim of lucky citizen and targetted him again possible?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:28 GMT
#2602
Kreb, it's entirely plausible that vicera is pulling some sort of shenanigans on us. But take five minutes to think on the scenarios and come back and tell me you think we should lynch vicera now.

We should lynch Mattchew.
##Vote Mattchew
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 12 2012 11:29 GMT
#2603
On October 12 2012 20:27 Mementoss wrote:
The real mystery is. Why is no one dead?

Oh shit. Scum believed BC claim of lucky citizen and targetted him again possible?

That could be it.

Or just targetted 3rd party in general, whoever it is.

But we're still missing 1KP then. And I dont buy mafia not having 2.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:30 GMT
#2604
Mementoss, why on earth did you watch z-bozon?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:32 GMT
#2605
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:33 GMT
#2606
On October 12 2012 20:30 risk.nuke wrote:
Mementoss, why on earth did you watch z-bozon?


Because he was talking the most at night. If VE was scum, scum probably woulda targetted Zboson. By his recent interactions and effort it made me think he is town. More than anyone else at least.

Like honestly I don't know who scum would have targetting other than myself VE or Zboson.

No KP went through anyways so I don't know what kind of information I woulda got anyways.

I expected to be dead and VE to claim roleblock. I don't know why scum didn't use there roleblock last night? If they did someone claim it. Maybe its a 2 time ability?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:36 GMT
#2607
Why didn't you watch VE so if they had roleblocked him you had caught him.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 12 2012 11:38 GMT
#2608
On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote:
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.

And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum.

Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#2609
On October 12 2012 20:36 risk.nuke wrote:
Why didn't you watch VE so if they had roleblocked him you had caught him.


That woulda been a good idea too. I was just watching for the night kill to be honest. But they didn't role block VE apparently. So it wouldn't have made a difference anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:50 GMT
#2610
On October 12 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote:
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.

And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum.

Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory.

First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum?
So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment.

@Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 11:52 GMT
#2611
On October 12 2012 20:50 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote:
On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote:
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.

And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum.

Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory.

First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum?
So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment.

@Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were.


Who would you have expected for the night kill? some random lurker o_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 11:53 GMT
#2612
It's not beneficial to discuss it.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 12 2012 12:04 GMT
#2613
On October 12 2012 20:50 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote:
On October 12 2012 20:32 risk.nuke wrote:
That no one is dead is a pretty heavy indicator that either scum changed the flip at the cost of kp. or that vicera is pulling one on us.

And are you gonna tell me that A) a wierd sac KP for flip change mechanic is present B) mafia decided to use it on Kush is more likely than VE just straight up being scum.

Also, please to not that VE was the one starting this whole KP for flip change theory.

First you need to ask yourself - What does Vicera gain by doing this as scum? What has he gained by doing this as scum?
So far the answer is: In the scenario that Vicera is scum so far they've gained nothing, which is why I'm not worried about it at the moment.

@Menentoss. Luck doesn't excuse stupidity. Even if you disregard how awefull your nk guesses were.

He gained a Kush mislynch? If he can gain another mislynch he'll be doing awesome.

Though if talking about gain, also consider the fact that he might be 3rd party, at which point we dont know what he gains on doing stuff.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 12:45 GMT
#2614
Kush mislynch.
Yeah trade nightkills for a lynch on a suspicious useless townie. It's a game winner.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 12 2012 12:56 GMT
#2615
On October 12 2012 21:45 risk.nuke wrote:
Kush mislynch.
Yeah trade nightkills for a lynch on a suspicious useless townie. It's a game winner.

The night kills have nothing to do with what I said. You're mixing things up.

I said most likely explanation is simply VE lied about the Kush claim. No funny framer at work. No sacced KPs to change flip. The NKs are not a part of my "explanation".

As for the NKs Im open to about anything. 3rd party being involved (either by scum hitting him or by him somehow preventing them from occuring) seems likely though. Or maybe some other saccing NK mechanic at work. Or, well, lots of other possibilities too which probably isnt worth speculating about.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 13:06 GMT
#2616
In the scenario Vicera lied he is scum in which case he told the scum not to kill anyone so he can sell his claim. I don't see what I am mixing up?
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 12 2012 13:28 GMT
#2617
On October 12 2012 22:06 risk.nuke wrote:
In the scenario Vicera lied he is scum in which case he told the scum not to kill anyone so he can sell his claim. I don't see what I am mixing up?

Whaaaaat? Why on earth would they do that?

You're bringing up completely new explanations. Are you really suggesting mafia planned to just simply not kill anyone to have VE make a claim he could get away with? That makes no sense at all, theres tens of different ways they could just keep hiding while actually performing night kills. He should just not have claimed a mafia read on Kush then and they'd be all fine. Your idea is like the deepest plan ever..... it makes no sense. And funnily enough, even if it was true we should still lynch VE.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 12 2012 14:24 GMT
#2618
Are you a moron, the kp didn't disappear by itself. And only moron would believe kp got absorbed by third party.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
October 12 2012 14:29 GMT
#2619
On October 12 2012 23:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Are you a moron, the kp didn't disappear by itself. And only moron would believe kp got absorbed by third party.


Is it possible that 3rd party has the roleblocker ability, and mafia enforcer was role blocked last night.
There has been no roleblock claim for today or 2 days ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
October 12 2012 14:38 GMT
#2620
Kreb, why would scum VE confirm Coag and MMT when confirmed townies can totally screw it up for scum near end game?

MMT how do you figure for the other KP? Or do you think there is only 1 anti-town KP?
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