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On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 21:23 skeldark wrote:On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review. By all critic i thought this guy have a good start. If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program. Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go. EDIT: forgot the licence problem... No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up.
Perhaps you have the php lib under an other license with the agreement of the author.
But you can not be ok with gpl if you dont publish the source.
I know two people who confirmed false positive results.
YOU are the one that have to prove that its correct positive.
If you can not do that, its a false positive.
Otherwise i could say a coin is 100% accurate maphack detector.
Whenever its head, its maphack.
Not my fault if you cant see it ...
But like you said. Lets see when you are done.
On the other hand. You know how you detect it.
So is there a possibility to do this actions manual, or is it theoretical impossible?
Thats the big question. Thats the question i wanted validated by a second source.
If someone knows the algorithm he can try to make exact this actions, per hand.
If he fails to do so its accurate.
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On September 10 2012 07:30 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"): "This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing." Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal.
To be completely objective, in some ways he has a point. From a quick perusal of the user list before it got hidden, the guy's made something like $70k in the last year and a half from selling his hack, and it appears he's been writing hacks since BW and was only caught once way back in BW, so he's certainly good at what he does.
PS it doesn't work for 1.5 because the base replay parsing code hasn't been updated for 1.5. I imagine that once a new version of the hack is released it will have to be seen what algorithms can be written to find fishy shit. Really though I imagine it's much easier to obfuscate it into something human like than it is to catch it. Of course there is the limitation in that automated actions must not interfere with human actions - but I have no idea how he implements any of this as I am not proficient in that area.
Also there is absolutely no way that passive hacks should leave any imprint on the replay, so in that regard we are left to blizzard's whims and circumstantial evidence.
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We neeeeeed a detection tool. I played two obvious maphackers yesterday, one proxying on 4player map without scouting, other scanning like 10 obs, killing like 10 pylons all around the map one after another.
One was called Bart and is mid-high EU Masters, the other was a russian name, idk.
these cheaters are not even hiding it, why can blizzard not at least take a look at players that have more than 5 cheating-accusations ( via battlenet ) and decide quickly what to do. there should be AT LEAST one guy at the office to only do this exclusively. Otherwise more and more ppl will stop playing.
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Finally, updated the OP into an easy to read form. If you have anything you'd like me to change about it, please PM me.
Also, should I just remove the banned hackers from it, or just keep them in the banned section?
On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me.
Thanks your confirming yourself I guess? Why didn't you say so much earlier instead of just defending yourself with some non-sense...
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On September 10 2012 08:06 silentdecay01 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:30 Doodsmack wrote:On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"): "This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing." Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal. ' I feel sorry for you, If you had any clue you would understand the creater of VCMH is Genius coder From Aus, is comp sci coder for a respected AUS computer econom program company and makes a bank selling his sc2 mh on the side. His hack has been undeteced from blizzard for almost 3 years.I'm sorry your lil brain can't comperhend this. And you have so much faith in blizzard. hackers are out smarted them for years now. Blizzard has never been sucessful at stoping VC, zoid and other Famous blizz hackers on all their games. Hackers up, Tl whine cry babies down. I hope tricky keeps hacking you kids on TL on NA gm so I can see you whine some more
So this is confirmation that you are indeed a hacker, then?
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On September 10 2012 08:23 ZweiGaming wrote:
Finally, updated the OP into an easy to read form. If you have anything you'd like me to change about it, please PM me.
Also, should I just remove the banned hackers from it, or just keep them in the banned section?
Looks much improved! I would keep the banned section. It is always good to have historical records (and some of those hackers will likely emerge with new id:s in the future). If the history section starts taking too much space, it can always be put inside spoiler tags.
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On September 10 2012 08:06 silentdecay01 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:30 Doodsmack wrote:On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"): "This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing." Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal. ' I feel sorry for you, If you had any clue you would understand the creater of VCMH is Genius coder From Aus, is comp sci coder for a respected AUS computer econom program company and makes a bank selling his sc2 mh on the side. His hack has been undeteced from blizzard for almost 3 years.I'm sorry your lil brain can't comperhend this. And you have so much faith in blizzard. hackers are out smarted them for years now. Blizzard has never been sucessful at stoping VC, zoid and other Famous blizz hackers on all their games. Hackers up, Tl whine cry babies down. I hope tricky keeps hacking you kids on TL on NA gm so I can see you whine some more
Looks like a rage post with half the words misspelled, all the more laughable its attempting to insult someone else's intelligence. I guess they didnt require basic english skills before they let you "major in comp sci" huh?
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On September 10 2012 09:06 MichaelCA wrote:someone hacked the privat hack VCMH and released the customer list: our friend heisenberg is on it as well  http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=0You should check all names with suspicious people. edit: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2061528/SFTOlLEADER he is a maphacker and customer of VCMH a pity this is just an old hack, i guess the most people including sftoileader just change the names and continues hacking....
Noones from NA on the list or am I missing something?
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On September 10 2012 09:06 MichaelCA wrote:someone hacked the privat hack VCMH and released the customer list: our friend heisenberg is on it as well http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=0You should check all names with suspicious people. edit: http://sc2ranks.com/eu/2061528/SFTOlLEADER he is a maphacker and customer of VCMH a pity this is just an old hack, i guess the most people including sftoileader just change the names and continues hacking....
I am taking that list with a grain of caution because the first name I looked up was prOpBobson, who is a top 100 gm and apparently on a team well known in Sweden, and I went through quite a few replays and didn't see anything conclusive. Actually he looked like someone who plays normal - if you wanted to be a cynical person, you could say it almost looked like he was overcompensating to hide a maphack, but that's really stretching it imo. Indeed I saw stuff that makes no sense if he's hacking.
Remember JValjean was caught because he could queue up a nexus on a spot where in his vision, creep should still remain - ergo impossible. Assuming this means that the game engine somehow takes into account your full map vision, it would seem that in theory it would be impossible to queue up a command center to go land on an expansion that has a zergling or creep on it, but which to your vision has nothing on it. Well, this happens in plenty of Bobson's games - he is able to tell the command center to go land even though there's clearly shit in the way there. The reason being that he can't see that stuff. I don't have VCMH so I can't test this, but it would seem to suggest he doesn't maphack.
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You checked replays from MAY and JUNE ? The list is from the VCMH public hack, since it's privat they didn't bought the update i guess.
I am sure this list is valid, we just need to find replays from the top players listed in this from may and june.
Maybe some people have replays from these guys and the date listed below ( It's important to have exactly this date because they logged into the VCMH.exe then )
146——————————prOpBobson————————-12.06.12——GameServer_EU
200——————————RosiK———————————12.06.12——GameServer_EU
215——————————LoCo————————-13.06.12——GameServer_EU
226——————————Helios————————-13.06.12——GameServer_EU
353——————————Livian————————-15.06.12——GameServer_EU
567——————————iPǂMefISTo————————-25.06.12——GameServer_EU
623——————————CrazyRabbit————————-26.06.12——GameServer_EU
897——————————GLEiki————————-29.06.12——GameServer_EU
1235——————————Heisenberg————————-07.07.12——GameServer_EU
2561——————————SFTOlLEADER————————-21.07.12——GameServer_EU
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On September 10 2012 09:13 EtherealDeath wrote:I am taking that list with a grain of caution because the first name I looked up was prOpBobson, who is a top 100 gm and apparently on a team well known in Sweden, and I went through quite a few replays and didn't see anything conclusive. Actually he looked like someone who plays normal - if you wanted to be a cynical person, you could say it almost looked like he was overcompensating to hide a maphack, but that's really stretching it imo. Indeed I saw stuff that makes no sense if he's hacking. Remember JValjean was caught because he could queue up a nexus on a spot where in his vision, creep should still remain - ergo impossible. Assuming this means that the game engine somehow takes into account your full map vision, it would seem that in theory it would be impossible to queue up a command center to go land on an expansion that has a zergling or creep on it, but which to your vision has nothing on it. Well, this happens in plenty of Bobson's games - he is able to tell the command center to go land even though there's clearly shit in the way there. The reason being that he can't see that stuff. I don't have VCMH so I can't test this, but it would seem to suggest he doesn't maphack.
The hack might very well have been updated since then. We know VC is aware of this thread as he restricted his website to users only after we started looking up for registered names.
But I have to agree with the overall idea, we do not know if the list is a real one - still worth looking into though.
As I have no idea what is being said on that russian website, anyone know if theres also a NA list somewhere?
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On September 10 2012 08:06 silentdecay01 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:30 Doodsmack wrote:On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"): "This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing." Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal. ' I feel sorry for you, If you had any clue you would understand the creater of VCMH is Genius coder From Aus, is comp sci coder for a respected AUS computer econom program company and makes a bank selling his sc2 mh on the side. His hack has been undeteced from blizzard for almost 3 years.I'm sorry your lil brain can't comperhend this. And you have so much faith in blizzard. hackers are out smarted them for years now. Blizzard has never been sucessful at stoping VC, zoid and other Famous blizz hackers on all their games. Hackers up, Tl whine cry babies down. I hope tricky keeps hacking you kids on TL on NA gm so I can see you whine some more
Lol yeah I'm sure he's one of the top coders in the world, bud. Must take a real genius to get past Warden. Haha you think he's so cool, maybe you should consider his low moral character before you decide whether he's cool or not .
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ValiantChaos said on D3scene and Flarebase that this hack is REAL and the list is REAL as well:
So i would say you stop talking about the realness of the list, these guys are f*cking hackers and i bet my *ss if we find replays some months ago this will be the proof.
Here is the post from ValiantChaos:
" dismissed this thread on d3scene about someone hacking a list of my users, but after clicking through my tabs i decided to take another look at this link, I couldn't help thinking how familiar some of the names seemed and that they were not forum names.
It seems this person may have hacked my hack, not the new version but one of the early versions where names were encrypted and hard coded into the hack. These were sha1 encrypted hashes and salted, also including another character followed by character code, so knowing the salt and running these hashes against some database seems highly unlikely there would be any matches.
Looking at the screenshots, there doesn't seem to be any character code either for the names, maybe he didn't release or I missed them. I have checked my ftp servers for any list of names, found nothing, I wouldnt have put them on there anyways and the list of names I had only went to two other people on this forum, both admins.
I just can't seem to work out how this person would have obtained such an old version of the hack, how did he know or how he manged to get this list of users. It would seem someone probably leaked my list to him, the only way I can think of cracking these hashes would be to have a database of all the SC2 account names and test each one with the character codes 000 to 9999, also you would need to know the character to put before the code.
Anyways, here's the link bellow.
http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=0
Without character codes these names seem useless, but if your on the list maybe you might want to change your name."
Edit: I can't watch replays right now but i found some replays of prOpBobson one month before the login date on these list:
http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-21587-0-ptereks_p_-vs-propbobson_t.html
http://warcraft.ingame.de/downloads/?file=71986
This is from 22 june, 10 days after this login: http://drop.sc/202673
This is from 5th june, 7 days before this login: http://drop.sc/191794
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On September 10 2012 09:22 MichaelCA wrote:ValiantChaos said on D3scene and Flarebase that this hack is REAL and the list is REAL as well: So i would say you stop talking about the realness of the list, these guys are f*cking hackers and i bet my *ss if we find replays some months ago this will be the proof. Here is the post from ValiantChaos: " dismissed this thread on d3scene about someone hacking a list of my users, but after clicking through my tabs i decided to take another look at this link, I couldn't help thinking how familiar some of the names seemed and that they were not forum names. It seems this person may have hacked my hack, not the new version but one of the early versions where names were encrypted and hard coded into the hack. These were sha1 encrypted hashes and salted, also including another character followed by character code, so knowing the salt and running these hashes against some database seems highly unlikely there would be any matches. Looking at the screenshots, there doesn't seem to be any character code either for the names, maybe he didn't release or I missed them. I have checked my ftp servers for any list of names, found nothing, I wouldnt have put them on there anyways and the list of names I had only went to two other people on this forum, both admins. I just can't seem to work out how this person would have obtained such an old version of the hack, how did he know or how he manged to get this list of users. It would seem someone probably leaked my list to him, the only way I can think of cracking these hashes would be to have a database of all the SC2 account names and test each one with the character codes 000 to 9999, also you would need to know the character to put before the code. Anyways, here's the link bellow. http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=0Without character codes these names seem useless, but if your on the list maybe you might want to change your name." Edit: I can't watch replays right now but i found some replays of prOpBobson one month before the login date on these list: http://www.sc2replays.eu/show-replay-21587-0-ptereks_p_-vs-propbobson_t.htmlhttp://warcraft.ingame.de/downloads/?file=71986This is from 22 june, 10 days after this login: http://drop.sc/202673
Wait where's the post by VC? I don't see it either in the russian thread or elsewhere.
edit nvm you said on Flarebase
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Yes, this post was released on d3scene, it'S from the privat section on flarebase.com. Since ValiantChaos is mod on D3scene he deleted it so far.
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On September 10 2012 09:28 MichaelCA wrote:
Yes, this post was released on d3scene, it'S from the privat section on flarebase.com. Since ValiantChaos is mod on D3scene he deleted it so far.
How did you have access to the post if it's only on the private section of his website? I would like to see the post with my own eyes.
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This was in the public one in D3scene, but VC deleted it.
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On September 10 2012 09:30 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 09:28 MichaelCA wrote:
Yes, this post was released on d3scene, it'S from the privat section on flarebase.com. Since ValiantChaos is mod on D3scene he deleted it so far. How did you have access to the post if it's only on the private section of his website? I would like to see the post with my own eyes.
Same, I registered a free account but I can't find it. If it's in the VIP only section then that would be a funny irony.
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