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On September 09 2012 06:37 IamMagic wrote:
According to that program Fyrepower is a maphacker, as i've said so many times in this thread yet noone ever believed me...
scan Fyrepower vs Hummingbird replays in that tool and he it shows hack detected
This. I was really really suspicious when I played him...but I haven't seen or played him recently though so idk how relevant it is anymore.
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On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 21:23 skeldark wrote:On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review. By all critic i thought this guy have a good start. If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program. Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go. EDIT: forgot the licence problem... No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up.
So what is the status of the false-positive replay you asked for and I provided? The released system was a black box that claimed to have "100 %" accuracy, but the results could not be verified if you did not know what you are looking for with reasonable effort. Also you cannot just use LAN replays (that all should be negative) for testing, but also considerable amount of ladder replays (there may be lots of situations in ladder matches that almost never happen during LANS such as ties). And please co-operate in this with experienced people such as Dakota_Fanning.
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On September 09 2012 13:28 EtherealDeath wrote:Hmm... remember the mKcpandalove debacle from earlier? Well, run http://drop.sc/202111 through the hack parser. Says pandalove is using camera lock hack Run http://drop.sc/171522 through it as well, also says camera lock hack. Says mKcBenji also uses camera lock. http://drop.sc/167301 again pandalove camera locking http://drop.sc/92364 again camera locking http://drop.sc/166316 again camera locking So those were the first 5 replays of Pandalove I looked at that weren't erroring because of SC2 version incompatibility (as the parser is not written to accept 1.5.0 or higher). They all came positive for camera locking. Now I know we are not 100% sure of the source code yet, but I ran about 15 of my own replays through it and didn't get a single false positive, and I imagine someone would've posted a false positive by now if they were common. I think it's 99% safe to say pandalove is a hacker, though I was already convinced he was earlier by what happened when I caught him earlier.
I don't think anyone was really fooled by anything PandaLove said. There have already been a number of his clan mates found hacking and the story is always the same. "Oh I had no idea even though we play arranged teams together!" Thing is he is a low level 1v1 player along with almost everyone in his clan. However, there is a mKcMalinger in GM who might be worth looking into. I doubt whoever it is would be dumb enough to hack considering his clan tag is a dead giveaway, but you never know with these people.
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On September 10 2012 03:09 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:28 EtherealDeath wrote:Hmm... remember the mKcpandalove debacle from earlier? Well, run http://drop.sc/202111 through the hack parser. Says pandalove is using camera lock hack Run http://drop.sc/171522 through it as well, also says camera lock hack. Says mKcBenji also uses camera lock. http://drop.sc/167301 again pandalove camera locking http://drop.sc/92364 again camera locking http://drop.sc/166316 again camera locking So those were the first 5 replays of Pandalove I looked at that weren't erroring because of SC2 version incompatibility (as the parser is not written to accept 1.5.0 or higher). They all came positive for camera locking. Now I know we are not 100% sure of the source code yet, but I ran about 15 of my own replays through it and didn't get a single false positive, and I imagine someone would've posted a false positive by now if they were common. I think it's 99% safe to say pandalove is a hacker, though I was already convinced he was earlier by what happened when I caught him earlier. I don't think anyone was really fooled by anything PandaLove said. There have already been a number of his clan mates found hacking and the story is always the same. "Oh I had no idea even though we play arranged teams together!" Thing is he is a low level 1v1 player along with almost everyone in his clan. However, there is a mKcMalinger in GM who might be worth looking into. I doubt whoever it is would be dumb enough to hack considering his clan tag is a dead giveaway, but you never know with these people.
For the record I asked Malinger and he claims he and CypherX left mKc. He did however dodge the question about whether he hacks, and I did leave a window for him to avoid it by answering that question instead, so think what you will, though we don't have any evidence against him.
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^Pretty sure he just pays someone to level his 1v1 for him
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On September 10 2012 02:56 korona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:On September 09 2012 21:23 skeldark wrote:On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review. By all critic i thought this guy have a good start. If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program. Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go. EDIT: forgot the licence problem... No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up. So what is the status of the false-positive replay you asked for and I provided? The released system was a black box that claimed to have "100 %" accuracy, but the results could not be verified if you did not know what you are looking for with reasonable effort. Also you cannot just use LAN replays (that all should be negative) for testing, but also considerable amount of ladder replays (there may be lots of situations in ladder matches that almost never happen during LANS such as ties). And please co-operate in this with experienced people such as Dakota_Fanning.
Korona, your provided me with a replay between two unknown diamond players. The program does find one person hacking and unfortunately I cannot vouch personally for that player. The legitimacy of a player must be known before we call the results an error. Fortunately we have a very large supply of replays from proven legitimate players, such as LANS, player streams, and top pros. I have run over 1000 of these replays confirmed to be legitimate, and it has returned zero false positives. In the end the only thing I can say about this software is this. When I re-release it I will provide a very large sample of replays from known legitimate games in various situations and if there are any false positives. Then the community can decide how much merit to give it.
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I faced all of these guys, they were REALLY close games but I was like omg their game sense is so good and I just took it as a legit loss. Now that I see this, I don't know how I should feel.
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On September 10 2012 03:27 JamesHollywood wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 02:56 korona wrote:On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:On September 09 2012 21:23 skeldark wrote:On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review. By all critic i thought this guy have a good start. If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program. Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go. EDIT: forgot the licence problem... No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up. So what is the status of the false-positive replay you asked for and I provided? The released system was a black box that claimed to have "100 %" accuracy, but the results could not be verified if you did not know what you are looking for with reasonable effort. Also you cannot just use LAN replays (that all should be negative) for testing, but also considerable amount of ladder replays (there may be lots of situations in ladder matches that almost never happen during LANS such as ties). And please co-operate in this with experienced people such as Dakota_Fanning. Korona, your provided me with a replay between two unknown diamond players. The program does find one person hacking and unfortunately I cannot vouch personally for that player. The legitimacy of a player must be known before we call the results an error. Fortunately we have a very large supply of replays from proven legitimate players, such as LANS, player streams, and top pros. I have run over 1000 of these replays confirmed to be legitimate, and it has returned zero false positives. In the end the only thing I can say about this software is this. When I re-release it I will provide a very large sample of replays from known legitimate games in various situations and if there are any false positives. Then the community can decide how much merit to give it.
I have a positive on a high eu GM who I have other evidence to suggest he is not hacking. I can send it to you when I get home if you're interested.
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On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:
No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up.
Thanks for all your work. =)
I do have a question though. It's almost certain that we'll have cases where your program reports something like camera lock, but the player in question claims it is a false positive. How will we, as the community, be able to verify either claim?
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On September 10 2012 05:47 Psychologic wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:
No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up. Thanks for all your work. =) I do have a question though. It's almost certain that we'll have cases where your program reports something like camera lock, but the player in question claims it is a false positive. How will we, as the community, be able to verify either claim?
Check more than one of their replays.
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mKcMalinger was known as PandaKiller / Macgregor, a low level Diamond. Some people have checked his 2v2s, 4v4s and 1v1 and all the hotkey setups are different but the 4v4 games all use the same hotkey setups as provided by sc2gears being the same as the replays from Macgregor on previous seasons. He used to pay or w/e TypePhoenix to level his account Macgregor before which the name was changed to battleboy. mKcMalinger is deffinitely leveled by a Terran player but if he is being paid or not is unknown. Even if Macgregor was hacking, he couldn't succeed in winning therefore ruling hacking out.
Malinger also streamed on macgregortv on twitch with the xsplit username being Macgregor while the last MLG was live. He also has hits if you google malinger.nz (his skype) which was shown on his stream while MLG was live. His skype name is associated in many posts on hacking websites. He is talking to mKxCypherX on skype being another reason it is him.
Video proving he is Malinger.nz: http://tinypic.com/r/w98eiw/6
Is he a hacker?
Either way, that's what I know but if someone else has reason to believe he hacks and/or has replays, then feel free to add the information here.
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I wonder why PandaLove isn't here trying to defend himself anymore? Maybe because he realized that he got caught? '^'
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On September 10 2012 06:30 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 05:47 Psychologic wrote:On September 10 2012 02:34 JamesHollywood wrote:
No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up. Thanks for all your work. =) I do have a question though. It's almost certain that we'll have cases where your program reports something like camera lock, but the player in question claims it is a false positive. How will we, as the community, be able to verify either claim? Check more than one of their replays.
Still that should not be enough, if the replays cannot manually be verified as he has so far refused providing details. And some will always blindly trust the service, if it claims to be 100% accurate even if it is not.
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The only way to test if it is accurate is uploading hundreds maybe thousands of replays from pro gamers to see if any give out red flags proving it isn't accurate as they obviously don't/wouldn't hack.
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No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros
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On September 10 2012 06:51 -DJZark- wrote:mKcMalinger was known as PandaKiller / Macgregor, a low level Diamond. Some people have checked his 2v2s, 4v4s and 1v1 and all the hotkey setups are different but the 4v4 games all use the same hotkey setups as provided by sc2gears being the same as the replays from Macgregor on previous seasons. He used to pay or w/e TypePhoenix to level his account Macgregor before which the name was changed to battleboy. mKcMalinger is deffinitely leveled by a Terran player but if he is being paid or not is unknown. Even if Macgregor was hacking, he couldn't succeed in winning therefore ruling hacking out. Malinger also streamed on macgregortv on twitch with the xsplit username being Macgregor while the last MLG was live. He also has hits if you google malinger.nz (his skype) which was shown on his stream while MLG was live. His skype name is associated in many posts on hacking websites. He is talking to mKxCypherX on skype being another reason it is him. Video proving he is Malinger.nz: http://tinypic.com/r/w98eiw/6Is he a hacker? Either way, that's what I know but if someone else has reason to believe he hacks and/or has replays, then feel free to add the information here.
I can confirm that this player is most likely not playing himself the 1v1s. I've soloed him in custom game just to check his playstyle, and it is safe to say his skill level is far from what is demontrated in his ladder 1v1s. On the other side, I haven't seen anything that looked like maphack - I'd say it's most likely a pro leveling him, thats it.
edit: Currently rewriting the OP in a easy-to-read form, will be up tonight
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And as zwei said, most of the kids you acuse of hacking are just lvled by pro gammers......In fact majority of the people you guys listed don't even play the account and were lvled by pro gammer services provied by alot of Korean B team pros and NA amature pros on the ladder.
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Hopefully it includes some unlisted hackers that have replays that show how obvious it is that they ARE hacking. <^>
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On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros
Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"):
"This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing."
Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal.
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On September 10 2012 07:30 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 07:03 silentdecay01 wrote:
No offense but alot of people on this fourm/site are pretty dumb when it comes to hacking. That program that guy released.....does 1000% nothing to catch hackers.
Just a program to get u tl kids a boner and pretend u can dectect hackers.
The program gm hacks use, Is VCMH and is 100% safe from that amature program that provides nothing and does not even work.........You can't ever catch cam lock. I'm a comp sci major grad, that kid knows nothing about computers and his program does nothing.
Automations are harder to hide, and is pretty obs with out any program.....But gl detecting Cam lock and the other features
VCMH is created by a genius and blizzard can't do a thing about it nor can any of you........People in GM who been using vcmh hack for almost 2 years with out any ban. Ticky will never be banned gl bros Based on your post history it seems you know the hack creator very well, or might even be him. You both have broken english and you even used some of the same words that the hack creator used in a recent post on his hack site (i.e. "give u TL kids a boner"): "This guy is an amateur and has nothing, to think he can out smart me or create something that will hold up against my hack is foolish. The program does not even work properly for the 1.5 patches and even though I don't have the source, I know very well what he is doing to try and detect each thing. Automated things like auto-blink are much harder to hide, but he was never onto anything with the other two and changes have already been made to each thing to ensure that program is even more useless if updated. This also includes breaking any sort of algorithm used to detect blink-hack, although another one can be created it is a feature you shouldn't use anyways and most don't, so the program does nothing really but give the kids on TL a nice big boner for nothing." Also funny to hear you calling the creator a "genius" and (in a past post) "one of the top coders in the world". That almost makes me think you're him and trying to inflate your ego. If you actually think the top coders in the world would spend their time making video game hacks that they sell to kids spending their allowance money, then you're not a smart person. The hack creator is a wannabe badass criminal and obviously a bit of a douche to boot lol. Honestly if you spend your time making $60 video game hacks and think you're a "genius" and a badass coder, then I feel sorry for you. You're not a big deal. '
I feel sorry for you, If you had any clue you would understand the creater of VCMH is Genius coder From Aus, is comp sci coder for a respected AUS computer econom program company and makes a bank selling his sc2 mh on the side.
His hack has been undeteced from blizzard for almost 3 years.I'm sorry your lil brain can't comperhend this. And you have so much faith in blizzard. hackers are out smarted them for years now. Blizzard has never been sucessful at stoping VC, zoid and other Famous blizz hackers on all their games.
Hackers up, Tl whine cry babies down. I hope tricky keeps hacking you kids on TL on NA gm so I can see you whine some more
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