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Hmm... remember the mKcpandalove debacle from earlier? Well, run http://drop.sc/202111 through the hack parser. Says pandalove is using camera lock hack
Run http://drop.sc/171522 through it as well, also says camera lock hack. Says mKcBenji also uses camera lock.
http://drop.sc/167301 again pandalove camera locking
http://drop.sc/92364 again camera locking
http://drop.sc/166316 again camera locking
So those were the first 5 replays of Pandalove I looked at that weren't erroring because of SC2 version incompatibility (as the parser is not written to accept 1.5.0 or higher). They all came positive for camera locking. Now I know we are not 100% sure of the source code yet, but I ran about 15 of my own replays through it and didn't get a single false positive, and I imagine someone would've posted a false positive by now if they were common. I think it's 99% safe to say pandalove is a hacker, though I was already convinced he was earlier by what happened when I caught him earlier.
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On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me.
A few days you say? The service posted by JamesHollywood finds you hacking on June 2, June 15, July 5, and July 9. Moreover, you quite clearly hacked against me on August 21, but the service can't confirm this because the game was played on patch 1.5. I'll gladly provide all the replays if people would like to see for themselves.
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On September 09 2012 13:39 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. A few days you say? The service posted by JamesHollywood finds you hacking on June 2, June 15, July 5, and July 9. Moreover, you quite clearly hacked against me on August 21, but the service can't confirm this because the game was played on patch 1.5. I'll gladly provide all the replays if people would like to see for themselves.
Hmm can you upload? Yea that would definitely be more than a few days.
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On September 09 2012 13:39 city42 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. A few days you say? The service posted by JamesHollywood finds you hacking on June 2, June 15, July 5, and July 9. Moreover, you quite clearly hacked against me on August 21, but the service can't confirm this because the game was played on patch 1.5. I'll gladly provide all the replays if people would like to see for themselves.
Would love to see them! Please post.
On September 09 2012 12:51 101toss wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 12:35 Schickysc wrote:On September 09 2012 12:02 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. Well, at least you admit it. It ok though anyone who knows knows you're not an actual hardcore hacker. Way to hack for a few days though -_- Wow. Terrible attitude. I don't care if it's 1 game or 100 games. A hacker mentality is a hacker mentality. Account deserves to be banned. The point is when you were called out on it, you denied it like crazy. You should have admitted to it right away if you wanted to pull that card. We do forgive hackers here if they are clean for a bit Only person we don't forgive here is savior
Well. Considering he said he was doing it to troll people (harmful to the community), lied about it when called on it, now admits it, yet doesn't exactly seem sorry for doing it. If he did indeed again lie and it's more than a few days, he doesn't deserve forgiveness.
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ROFL @ zoohairz being so quick to admit he hacked once the hack parser caught him. Back when we were bringing those replays up when they first came out, he was in this thread vehemently denying it (in and around page 90). I was saying he should be added to the OP since we had multiple replays but Zwei didn't agree...now tell me if you really believe zoohairz saying he only hacked for a couple days because he "lost his passion for SC2" LOL. Replays show it spanning at least a month, and his play is frequently suspicious.
I propose he be added to the OP.
On July 10 2012 18:10 zoohairZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 18:07 shinyA wrote:On July 10 2012 18:03 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 17:57 shinyA wrote:On July 10 2012 17:54 EtherealDeath wrote:On July 10 2012 17:46 Paradise` wrote:
LOL that loop around was super spider sense! :D
edit; why is zooharz having his friends come back him up lol "todeskampf" Actually it's called not fucking a guy's reputation over before all the evidence is in. Normally the way this would be done when there may be alternative reasons (i.e. not something so obvious as blink hack or always proxy 2 gating right spot) is by PMing the shit to the guy who is doing this thread, or otherwise creating yourself a large multi-replay sample size with analysis. However, now that shit's been posted anyways one replay at a time, we should not be rushing to judgment, even though I admit this looparound is hard to explain - but keep in mind we are watching a short segment of an 11 minute game that is somehow at around 20 supply for each player... at that point in the game. So this is an abnormal game already to begin with. ZoohairZ reputation? He's only known for flaming the shit out of people that beat him...and now hacking rotfl Well, BM is different from hacking. I mean granted quite a bit of this shit is really fucked up looking. I think it's funny though that look at the way he has responded, he immediately goes and loads up his stream and claims to "stream and play in a ton of LANs" but his last stream vod is like a year old...lol I played a lot of d3 since release until recently, just started playing alot of sc2 again this season. What do you want me to say/do? Somebody asked me to stream my ladder so i did. everything i say and/or do will be put into question now. Its alright. dont blame you guys. EDIT: There's a TON of people who hate me, way more people hate me than like/support me. There's going to be a lot of ppl trying to bring me down/shun me now. So im just gonna continue playing and streaming games probably.
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On September 09 2012 13:40 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:39 city42 wrote:On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. A few days you say? The service posted by JamesHollywood finds you hacking on June 2, June 15, July 5, and July 9. Moreover, you quite clearly hacked against me on August 21, but the service can't confirm this because the game was played on patch 1.5. I'll gladly provide all the replays if people would like to see for themselves. Hmm can you upload? Yea that would definitely be more than a few days.
http://drop.sc/248663 - June 2
http://drop.sc/248664 - June 2
http://drop.sc/248665 - June 15
http://drop.sc/218319 - July 5 (I sent this one to the OP via PM when zoohairz's name came up in this thread a couple months ago. His analysis is here and that same post contains a twitch.tv link showing another suspicious move by zoohairz.)
http://drop.sc/218424 - July 9 (This was uploaded by somebody else in this thread back when zoohairz's name was brought up.)
http://drop.sc/248668 - August 21 (This one is unconfirmed due to patch 1.5, but the game speaks for itself in my opinion.)
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On September 09 2012 12:02 EtherealDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. Well, at least you admit it. It ok though anyone who knows knows you're not an actual hardcore hacker. Way to hack for a few days though -_-
no its not okay...
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On September 09 2012 14:11 NEEDZMOAR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 12:02 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. Well, at least you admit it. It ok though anyone who knows knows you're not an actual hardcore hacker. Way to hack for a few days though -_- no its not okay...
That is E-Sarcasm
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On September 09 2012 14:15 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:11 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On September 09 2012 12:02 EtherealDeath wrote:On September 09 2012 11:55 zoohairZ wrote:
i hacked a few days way back when i came back to sc2 from diablo 3 and had lost my passion for the game. i was being a dick and just trolling with hacks for a bit which was pretty stupid. shame on me. Well, at least you admit it. It ok though anyone who knows knows you're not an actual hardcore hacker. Way to hack for a few days though -_- no its not okay... That is E-Sarcasm
there was nothing sarcastic there in that first line.
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As I mentioned in the other thread I loaded bunch of replays to the JamesHollywood's service. Many ScNzoohairZ' replays returned 'Camera Lock Count: 1' as result. I chose two shortest of those replays and watched them in game speed (faster) and possible camera lock places second time in 'normal' speed. Then I skimmed through the replay action lists and checked some situations in-game. Still I could not find (in reasonable time) for certain where the camera locks that the service claimed to detect happened.
But now as ScNzoohairZ admitted that he is a hacker, it is likely that the service detected the locks correctly in his case (but it is still unknown if the service is trustworthy in every case as the detection method is not public). Those two replays can be found below:
ScNzoohairZ vs FighT on Tal'darim Altar LE on 2012-03-06 02:51:00 (recorder time zone: +10.50):
http://www.sctemple.com/replay/205462/
+ Show Spoiler +Version: 1.4.3.21029
Map name: Tal'darim Altar LE, Game length: 6 mins, 30 secs
Team size: 1v1, Game speed: Faster
Real team size: 1v1
Realm: US
Date and time played: 5th of March 2012 at 17:51
Replay recorded by: FighT (EXPERIMENTAL!)
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HACK DETECTED: Player: ScNzoohairZ Action detected: Camera Lock
Camera lock is a feature used in some hacks that stops replays from storing your camera movement at certain times. Detecting this is 100% proof that this player Hacks
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Player name FOG Click Count Camera Lock Count Blink Hack Count Average APM
(experimental) Winner?
ScNzoohairZ 1 152 1
FighT 104 0
1v1 Shokz vs ScNzoohairZ TvZ on 2012-07-02 23:09:24 (recorder time zone: -4.00):
http://drop.sc/222518
+ Show Spoiler +Version: 1.4.3.21029
Map name: Antiga Shipyard, Game length: 4 mins, 49 secs
Team size: 1v1, Game speed: Faster
Real team size: 1v1
Realm: US
Date and time played: 2nd of July 2012 at 14:09
Replay recorded by: Shokz (EXPERIMENTAL!)
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HACK DETECTED: Player: ScNzoohairZ Action detected: Camera Lock
Camera lock is a feature used in some hacks that stops replays from storing your camera movement at certain times. Detecting this is 100% proof that this player Hacks
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Player name FOG Click Count Camera Lock Count Blink Hack Count Average APM
(experimental) Winner?
Shokz 117 1
ScNzoohairZ 1 138 0
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I just found this thread and I dont know if it's already been discussed but... Isnt there a game where they put all the maphackers all in one league? Let the cheaters cheat each other.
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A russian has apparently succeeded in hacking the database of the forum where a very popular undetected hack is purchased, and gotten a list of hackers. He is apparently at work at the moment (the thread at good game is rather new) and will post the full list with proof shortly. Currently he has posted a few EU names with some in GM. One is confirmed hacker Heisenberg, so now we known which hack he uses.
Not going to post their names right now until the russian guy posts proof, but it seems legit at the moment. If you are high masters/GM on EU and would be willing to check your replays for replays involving these people, please pm if you'd also be willing to send me replays involving them just to check and see.
p.s. Earlier that was me taking ZoohairZ on his word about hacking for just a few days after being emo from Diablo. Guess he's just totally dirty. Used to be on Team Revoki with him so I habitually gave him the benefit of the doubt.
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False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review.
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On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review.
By all critic i thought this guy have a good start.
If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program.
Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go.
EDIT: forgot the licence problem...
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On September 09 2012 21:07 EtherealDeath wrote:
A russian has apparently succeeded in hacking the database of the forum where a very popular undetected hack is purchased, and gotten a list of hackers. He is apparently at work at the moment (the thread at good game is rather new) and will post the full list with proof shortly. Currently he has posted a few EU names with some in GM. One is confirmed hacker Heisenberg, so now we known which hack he uses.
Not going to post their names right now until the russian guy posts proof, but it seems legit at the moment. If you are high masters/GM on EU and would be willing to check your replays for replays involving these people, please pm if you'd also be willing to send me replays involving them just to check and see.
p.s. Earlier that was me taking ZoohairZ on his word about hacking for just a few days after being emo from Diablo. Guess he's just totally dirty. Used to be on Team Revoki with him so I habitually gave him the benefit of the doubt.
Seems like VC users are pretty comfortable with this. Even if true, how will Blizzard use the information? It was like enter one's house without permit, the evidence should not even be public.
btw, I was searching for the mechanics of camera lock on d3scene and found the post of this.
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If they want to cheat, let them. Its only a game!
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On September 09 2012 22:14 t0ab wrote:
If they want to cheat, let them. Its only a game!
If everyone you play against would cheat. Would you have fun playing the game?
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On September 09 2012 22:14 t0ab wrote:
If they want to cheat, let them. Its only a game!
No, hacking is absolutely unacceptable. For the ranking system to have any meaning whatsoever (and in this thread we are talking about semi-hardcore gamers of masters/GM) there needs to be not a single hack.
Also, it is bloody unethical. You are not being smart, cute, fun in any way. You are just trying to improve your pathetic ego by annoying people who have worked pretty hard to achieve theese rankings. You are just being a pestilence to a great community, when you annoy people by your silly proxies, perfect defenses and disconnects when you are about to lose a game.
Just see a few pages ago, what two immature kiddos who were caught hacking and got banned, wrote:
On September 06 2012 09:10 vEnCiDo wrote:
Dont worry me and tricky and all of us will be back mother fuckers we all got more accs umad?
On September 06 2012 09:12 shape16 wrote:
ya buddy im alrdy on my way to hit gm scrubs
we ganna hunt you to the end!
EZ
This is not contributing in any way to this game, it's extremely annoying for the rest of the players and is in no way something smart and cool. Hackers should be eliminated from the community both in and out of the game.
Also, congrats to the guys who run this thread. It's an amazing effort that has finally started bearing fruits!
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On September 09 2012 21:23 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 21:20 EtherealDeath wrote:False positives were detected so it's been disappeared into staff forums for now, pending review. By all critic i thought this guy have a good start. If its not 100% save, he could publish it as indicator program. Just add a big red warning that it can be but dont have to be and we are good to go. EDIT: forgot the licence problem...
No confirmed false positives were found, and the licensing was okay with GNU. I decided to remove it because of all the attention it is getting and people expecting it to be a finished product. I have now ran it with over 1000 replays from LANS and still not received a false positive. I will likely release it later but with more of a disclaimer and a couple thousand test results to back it up.
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