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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.

Additionally, a supporting comment of what people should be looking for and when will be necessary if you are posting replays/evidence.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
September 10 2012 12:21 GMT
#2701
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.

Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second
Yes I am
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
September 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#2702
Personally I doubt Bobson is hacking...
decemberTV
Miniraser
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden63 Posts
September 10 2012 12:25 GMT
#2703
I am pretty sure that bobson is not a maphacker, he has been a practice partner of mine for a very long time. He also streams quite a bit and you dont see his play being any weaker from him when he is streaming to when he isnt, if he maphacked he would lose a lot more when streaming ( because no MH). I have never ever seen him do anything suspicious either and we were in the same team for quite some time so i watched him play a bunch of clanwars and tournaments.
Allscorpion
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom319 Posts
September 10 2012 12:27 GMT
#2704
It's sad that hackers still manage to lose.
Day[9] Made me do it
Bobson
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden50 Posts
September 10 2012 12:34 GMT
#2705
Latest replays from my main account. Ladder and practice games.
http://drop.sc/packs/1354?pass=0a0a9182-d5ea-40e9-8c7b-1b37a480a797
Enjoy
pm me if you need more replays.
Zuppp!!??
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 10 2012 13:29 GMT
#2706
On September 10 2012 21:34 Bobson wrote:
Latest replays from my main account. Ladder and practice games.
http://drop.sc/packs/1354?pass=0a0a9182-d5ea-40e9-8c7b-1b37a480a797
Enjoy
pm me if you need more replays.



I think the question is whether you hacked a while ago, not whether you currently do. The list is apparently from a previous version of the hack. Considering the hack creator said the list is real, the only other explanation is that there's another person who uses your exact name...
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 10 2012 14:10 GMT
#2707
On September 10 2012 22:29 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 21:34 Bobson wrote:
Latest replays from my main account. Ladder and practice games.
http://drop.sc/packs/1354?pass=0a0a9182-d5ea-40e9-8c7b-1b37a480a797
Enjoy
pm me if you need more replays.



I think the question is whether you hacked a while ago, not whether you currently do. The list is apparently from a previous version of the hack. Considering the hack creator said the list is real, the only other explanation is that there's another person who uses your exact name...

Thing is, I've looked at quite a few replays of his from around this period before the list was known here, and I really could not get the feeling he was hacking even if I tried very cynically. Which is why I doubted the authenticity of the list - but then the hack creator verified it in his private forums viewable only by paying customers...

I dunno, maybe Bobson tested it once at some point, like when the Spades debacle came out, just to understand what hackers have? I'm assuming that even running it just once would get your name on the list. Trying to understand why it is there because from replays I don't believe he is a hacker, yet there is only one prOpBobson.
Fade1
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden143 Posts
September 10 2012 14:12 GMT
#2708
I don't think bobson is hacking myself either, he seems like a nice and honorable guy.
gillon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1578 Posts
September 10 2012 14:14 GMT
#2709
Which period is it that you'd like replays from?
www.teamproperty.net | "You should hate losing, but you should never fear defeat." - 이윤열
Butterednuts
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
September 10 2012 14:15 GMT
#2710
I'd be really curious to see if any Blizzard employees read this thread and if any of their bans last week were from information from the community like this.
Chameleons Cast No Shadows
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
September 10 2012 14:20 GMT
#2711
On September 10 2012 16:47 Eifer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2012 15:57 Schickysc wrote:
Ugh. Zoohairz is streaming the beta. For some reason it grinds my gears that a hacker has access to the beta!


Since when is he a hacker?


He broke down and admitted to it pretty quickly after the first accusation lol.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
September 10 2012 14:53 GMT
#2712
On September 10 2012 23:15 Butterednuts wrote:
I'd be really curious to see if any Blizzard employees read this thread and if any of their bans last week were from information from the community like this.

There was actually a Blizz representive post on this thread a few pages back.
mouz.Wake
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden136 Posts
September 10 2012 15:04 GMT
#2713
Hi,

I'm one of the managers for Team prOperty. Upon hearing this rumour I couldn't believe that some list claimed Bobson to be hacking. Of course, these accusations must be taken seriously and be examined. Bobson have been a part of us for 2 years now, attending several LANs, streaming actively and representing us in various teamleagues and tournaments. I'm no hack detecting expert, but I've never been suspect about him cheating in any way. I've looked at the replays, both present and around the date the list claims he's cheated. As I previously said, I'm by no means no hack detecting expert but I nor the rest of the management finds anything fishy in his replays.

The replays are already posted in this thread, I would be grateful if you checked them and stated your opinion about this. But me personally have no doubt that Bobson is clean.

Wake,
Public Relations
Team prOperty
FORMER StarCraft II Team Manager for mousesports || @I_am_Wake
MichaelCA
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada29 Posts
September 10 2012 15:13 GMT
#2714
ZweiGaming, you have more replays of him in this period ?

He injected at least once this VCMH.exe, maybe it was just a test or he is very good in hiding this.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 10 2012 15:42 GMT
#2715
On September 11 2012 00:04 Wakerius wrote:
Hi,

I'm one of the managers for Team prOperty. Upon hearing this rumour I couldn't believe that some list claimed Bobson to be hacking. Of course, these accusations must be taken seriously and be examined. Bobson have been a part of us for 2 years now, attending several LANs, streaming actively and representing us in various teamleagues and tournaments. I'm no hack detecting expert, but I've never been suspect about him cheating in any way. I've looked at the replays, both present and around the date the list claims he's cheated. As I previously said, I'm by no means no hack detecting expert but I nor the rest of the management finds anything fishy in his replays.

The replays are already posted in this thread, I would be grateful if you checked them and stated your opinion about this. But me personally have no doubt that Bobson is clean.

Wake,
Public Relations
Team prOperty

Same, I've looked at lots of his replays and I think he is clean as well.

But to play devil's advocate, I suppose if you were very very cynical and picked on stylistic things, you might be able to argue to another extreme cynic that he is simply very good at hiding it. Because I think even the most cynical person would have difficulty saying - "Look here, this shows he is hacking".

So imo he is clean. How he got on this list is beyond me.
Bobson
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden50 Posts
September 10 2012 15:43 GMT
#2716
I frequently uploaded replays to drop.sc so it shouldnt be a problem finding replays from any period.
Zuppp!!??
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
September 10 2012 15:51 GMT
#2717
The only way to do this fairly is to accuse people only when there is evidence of them cheating. A name on a list can't be enough for that without a single replay to back it up.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 15:58:55
September 10 2012 15:57 GMT
#2718
On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.

Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second


I rather believe hard facts than your opinion on your friend, even though you are in the same clan. I mean why his name be there if it wasn't true? It doesn't make any sense.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
September 10 2012 16:04 GMT
#2719
Well since no one is actually doing a hardcheck on that version of the game if you write it in yoursel for if it checks out your nick yourself, neither if you can change it yourself or change the input of the name, hard fact is that sure his name is there, but no one knows if you can put it there by yourself or simply change how it gets the info.

And sure I may not be able to convince you about his innocince at all, mabey not, but I sure as hell going to try.

And it feels really hard to believe someone being a hacker when you've been standing behind them and watching them on lan and owning it up just as hard as online.
No one ha ever before accused him of MH before and I dont think he used/uses it either.
Yes I am
Pusekatten
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-10 16:09:18
September 10 2012 16:05 GMT
#2720
On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.

Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second

Offcouse he wont hack on stream or lans...
How can you know 100% sure he havnt use it when he was all alone in his house?

Edit: Someone got the whole list???
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