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You have to provide some kind of evidence/proof (screenshots/replays etc.) if you are going to accuse somebody.
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On September 11 2012 01:05 Pusekatten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.
Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second Offcouse he wont hack on stream or lans... How can you know 100% sure he havnt use it when he was all alone in his house?
We're kind of getting close to witch hunting here now. How he got on the list is unknown. However he cannot have been sure all his replays from not streaming would not be posted online. And I have yet to see a single replay where I feel he is hacking. If you can come up with one then do so. There's lots of replays of him online.
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On September 11 2012 01:05 Pusekatten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.
Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second Offcouse he wont hack on stream or lans... How can you know 100% sure he havnt use it when he was all alone in his house?
Well if he did play as well on lan as at home I have a hard time imagening that he had MH going on home, and played as good without it on lan. That's why.
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On September 11 2012 01:05 Pusekatten wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.
Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second Offcouse he wont hack on stream or lans... How can you know 100% sure he havnt use it when he was all alone in his house?
But that is the issue, right?
See, how can you know for 100 % that he HAS been doing it when he was all alone in his house, except if you're him yourself or a part of Blizzard? I've given my statement regarding the matter, I've watched the replays (as I want as many as possible of you to do) and I've talked to him myself. If you have any recommendations or suggestions on further actions I should apply to dig deeper in this matter, please, do suggest.
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Bobson isnt hacking. Shit like this is retarded. You have no proof that he is hacking and yet now there are people who think he is...
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On September 11 2012 00:13 MichaelCA wrote:
ZweiGaming, you have more replays of him in this period ?
He injected at least once this VCMH.exe, maybe it was just a test or he is very good in hiding this.
I only have what is already posted in this thread.
On September 11 2012 00:04 Wakerius wrote:
Hi,
I'm one of the managers for Team prOperty. Upon hearing this rumour I couldn't believe that some list claimed Bobson to be hacking. Of course, these accusations must be taken seriously and be examined. Bobson have been a part of us for 2 years now, attending several LANs, streaming actively and representing us in various teamleagues and tournaments. I'm no hack detecting expert, but I've never been suspect about him cheating in any way. I've looked at the replays, both present and around the date the list claims he's cheated. As I previously said, I'm by no means no hack detecting expert but I nor the rest of the management finds anything fishy in his replays.
The replays are already posted in this thread, I would be grateful if you checked them and stated your opinion about this. But me personally have no doubt that Bobson is clean.
Wake,
Public Relations
Team prOperty
I already have watched those replays and found nothing either. I don't know how this guy got his hand on that "list", neither how exact it is. There is no character code with the account names, so it could very well have been a fake account with the same name that used to play in that period of time. After watching the replays posted here, I'm faily confident that Bobson is clean or have been in all the important matches.
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On September 11 2012 00:57 Gladiator333 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2012 21:21 Buffy wrote:
Sorry to break the bubble, I've palyed with bobson on various lans and with him for almost 2 years, and watched him stream and practiced with him, he is not a hacker and never have hacked as well.
Either someone is out to get some people, I don't believe this for a second I rather believe hard facts than your opinion on your friend, even though you are in the same clan. I mean why his name be there if it wasn't true? It doesn't make any sense.
The hack creator guy said the list might be from an old version of the hack, but that's about it. What we need is a way to make sure that the guy who leaked the list didn't alter the list and add people he suspects of hacking.
The list certainly gives good reason to watch those people more closely, but that's it. Even Idra said the hack would be great for practice games to learn the best scout timings. The question is whether players use hacks on ladder or in online tournaments, and there's no way to tell that from a list of names unfortunately.
On September 11 2012 01:57 Pusekatten wrote:
Is there someone on the forum able to hack the hack creator's fps server?
Please don't advocate illegal activity here. That's a possible felony no matter how good the intentions.
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Guys, is there any way we can confirm if hackers are using camera zoom out? normally they won't select stuff on the edge of the screen, it's really hard to track that.
I don't know if this should be mentioned, maybe just a 1.5 patch bug. Camera could go crazy when I backward in replay in some point. And it looks exactly like 'zoom out'--or over look the whole map. If this is not a bug, then is it possible that hackers will leave some clues in rep?
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I am on that list too for some strange reason. Same as bobson I have never played with hacks, never even searched for hacks on google. Got playing with fire clan to back it up.
http://doed.se/
http://www.z33k.com/
go4sc2 tournies
http://www.esportsm.se/
All of these tournaments got replays from me playing if you want proof. Doed is july-august. z33k is older replays more than 6 months I think, and go4sc2 tournies is around 1 year old. Esportsm is from april and may.
http://sv.twitch.tv/hited got some old videos but also no hacks.
This list is bullshit and shouldn't be trusted... Pm me if you want more proof.
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On September 11 2012 01:42 Harstem wrote:Bobson isnt hacking. Shit like this is retarded. You have no proof that he is hacking and yet now there are people who think he is...
thanks harstem for standing up for bobson - prOperty is a good clan and he also went to offline events if i am not mistaken.
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On September 11 2012 03:51 heaveshade wrote:
Guys, is there any way we can confirm if hackers are using camera zoom out? normally they won't select stuff on the edge of the screen, it's really hard to track that.
I don't know if this should be mentioned, maybe just a 1.5 patch bug. Camera could go crazy when I backward in replay in some point. And it looks exactly like 'zoom out'--or over look the whole map. If this is not a bug, then is it possible that hackers will leave some clues in rep?
Yes. There is a bug regarding 1.5x replay viewer (I have a feeling it happens more on Cloud Kingdom, but may also be that I have just watched more replays played on it). The camera may glitch when rewinding, if the person whose viewpoint is selected does not move his screen. And only when he moves the screen camera is fixed. When camera is glitching in replay either wait it to fix or rewind backwards some more to a point where the player changes his camera position. This is just my personal observation (may not be exact). I presume camera movement actions in replay files are ok?
No knowledge about zoom hacks.
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On September 11 2012 03:58 HiTeD wrote:I am on that list too for some strange reason. Same as bobson I have never played with hacks, never even searched for hacks on google. Got playing with fire clan to back it up. http://doed.se/http://www.z33k.com/go4sc2 tournies http://www.esportsm.se/All of these tournaments got replays from me playing if you want proof. Doed is july-august. z33k is older replays more than 6 months I think, and go4sc2 tournies is around 1 year old. Esportsm is from april and may. http://sv.twitch.tv/hited got some old videos but also no hacks. This list is bullshit and shouldn't be trusted... Pm me if you want more proof.
No further need for it, the list was a fake and I just received a PM about it.
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I highly doubt Bobson is hacking. I have played him several times during 2012 and have never noticed anything out of order. I cant explain why he is on that list but if he is hacking I would be beyond suprised. I hope this can soon be sorted out.
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Case closed, nothing to see here, move on people follow in an orderly fashion.
back to the real detective work, hours of playing and hours of watching replays.
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On September 11 2012 04:26 Fusa wrote:
Case closed, nothing to see here, move on people follow in an orderly fashion.
back to the real detective work, hours of playing and hours of watching replays.
It was too good to be true.
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On September 11 2012 04:06 ZweiGaming wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 03:58 HiTeD wrote:I am on that list too for some strange reason. Same as bobson I have never played with hacks, never even searched for hacks on google. Got playing with fire clan to back it up. http://doed.se/http://www.z33k.com/go4sc2 tournies http://www.esportsm.se/All of these tournaments got replays from me playing if you want proof. Doed is july-august. z33k is older replays more than 6 months I think, and go4sc2 tournies is around 1 year old. Esportsm is from april and may. http://sv.twitch.tv/hited got some old videos but also no hacks. This list is bullshit and shouldn't be trusted... Pm me if you want more proof. No further need for it, the list was a fake and I just received a PM about it. + Show Spoiler +
This is from his FAQ when you buy his hack.
Can others use my login details for ValiantChaos Maphack?
No, this will result in permanent removal of your VCMH access and will require you to repurchase V.I.P if you wish to continue using the hack. I suggest you keep your password safe and don't give it to anyone as login information is recorded and suspicious activity will be investigated.
This is utter horse shit as you do not need to store identifying information to ensure such compliance. What a weak excuse for doing something so wrong. With the amount of SC2 developers getting called by Blizzard, clearly he is hedging on selling out his customers in the event of a legal threat.
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Hacker name: Natrol
Server: NA
Description: 5:18- sends zerglings to scout, but see how precisely he clicks nearby my pylon.
8:20- He has his lings at my front, but doesnt try to do an attack. cause i warped in a bunch of units.
12:25- Throws down a bunch of spines at his forth when my army starts to move out of my nat.(take note he doesn't see anything)
13:00- Big giveaway, looks straight at the fog of war, where my army was at. so obvious that was maphack.
14:45- located and kills of half my army which was falling back, see how precisely he clicks to locate my army near the ramp
Replay: http://drop.sc/249403
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Hi ... My name is Livian. My name is also on the hacker list for no reasons. Well there is no charactercode, so it could also be another player, but i guess there is only one Livian on EU-server.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=134
"353——————————Livian————————-15.06.12——GameServer_EU"
also
http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=3
1) There is no characratercode, so the list is very gernerell and unbelievable.
2) It says "15.6.2012 first login to VCMH " ... I created my sc2 account at 20.6.2012 ( i have proof screens for this! )
3) It says "15.6. .. Livian" ... between 20.6.2012 and 4.9.2012 i had another name .. i used the free namechange at 4.9.2012 to rename my account to Livian.
4) There is no single replay or proof that i am hacking ... Well i am on the top of the list with 10 ohter players and noone ever said anything about me ( teamliquid / goodgamers.ru )
5) And there are also names like mTwDiamaga etc.
"524——————————roxkis.BratOK————————-18.06.12——GameServer_EU
823——————————mTw.DIMAGA————————-24.06.12——GameServer_EU"
http://www.goodgame.ru/read_topic.php?t=46595&pg=1
6) And anyways there are over 2,6k players in the list ( 2561——————————SFTOlLEADER————————-21.07.12——GameServer_EU // so over "2561" .. Where is the complete list ?!? I can only see same 10 players everytime...
7) So its just a fake list with no proofs.. at this point thx @ ZweiGaming for posting VC's statement that its just a fake list ... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340614¤tpage=137
"EDIT: Update on situation.
After further looking into things to try and work out where the list came from, I think it's clear the list does contain known maphackers but it's also full of fake information of people that may have been suspected of hacking or names someone just wants to discredit. Whatever the reason, the list isn't real in terms that they are all VCMH users nor do I believe anything was actually hacked from an older version of the hack.
The dates don't even correspond with anything that I had done, there is lack of character codes which makes me think nothing was stolen from any version of the hack and all people seem to be on EU. " - STATEMENT FROM VC
So all in all the list is just a fucking fake and this list destroys the image of the players ( e.g. many ppl msg me "fucking hacker " and so on. So i hope not everyone believes a fake list with no proofs .....
And sorry for my english.. its not so good, but i hope its good enough to show you that this list is totally fake...
~Livian
EDIT:
I can also upload replays from every week between 6. months and 9. months ( ladder games or SC2CL , ESL ... ) or earlier replays from my main account ( ESL , GO4sc2cup ... )!
~Livian
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Hacker Name: Cyrus
Server: NA
League + Rank: Masters (rank 2, but just after season change. Was rank 7 last season)
Description: Blind cross map proxy at third on Antiga Shipyard, proxy gates every game in match history even on 4 player maps.
I don't know if he's high enough to warrant being on this thread since I'm mid-masters, but he was 'Favored' against me and rank 7 last season so I thought I'd post just to be safe.
Annoying way for my first loss in season 4 to happen... I easily could have held but was a bit greedy + just switched to terran and haven't faced proxy gate before.
edit: whoops forgot replay xD thanks
http://drop.sc/251276
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On September 12 2012 05:02 Pursuit_ wrote:
Hacker Name: Cyrus
Server: NA
League + Rank: Masters (rank 2, but just after season change. Was rank 7 last season)
Description: Cross map proxy at third on Antiga Shipyard, proxy gates every game in match history even on 4 player maps.
I don't know if he's high enough to warrant being on this thread since I'm mid-masters, but he was 'Favored' against me and rank 7 last season so I thought I'd post just to be safe.
Annoying way for my first loss in season 4 to happen... I easily could have held but was a bit greedy + just switched to terran and haven't faced proxy 2 gate before.
Post replay
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