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aepal
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands123 Posts
June 16 2011 14:08 GMT
#221
I got to admit though that my gameplay in the game was TERRIBLE and mostly just because i tilted since he called my banshee perfectly without scouting. Anyway, i hope i am wrong he is hacking and i can look like a fool. I rather have people actually raping me with good play instead of a silly hacker that tries to hide it. Ever since they ruined CS1.6 with hackers i got this inner hatred for them, they ruin the games literally, it makes me not go play my favorite game anymore.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 16 2011 14:13 GMT
#222
I meant with your additional analysis. I honestly, (And I am sorry) don't see anything more suspicious then the original camera look at your base. I'll continue to read your thoughts and weigh what you point out but what I saw, including all of your points, can be explained without map hacks. Again- I'm not saying he wasn't hacking or he was. I haven't yet been convinced he was hacking. Though I am just one of three official and one of dozens of eyes that regularly watch submitted replays and I sincerely hope that if I'm wrong others will point it out.
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aepal
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands123 Posts
June 16 2011 14:13 GMT
#223
Server: EU
Your Name: UWHA
Hacker Name: Weedman
Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4361753/maphacker.zip

Description: He watches trough fog to my base at the start, then he decides to 8 pool me with fast speed rush.
He watches a couple of times before he moves in.

I am aware its a older replay, but i figured i just post this as well.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 16 2011 14:16 GMT
#224
Unfortunately that is the nature of the beast. Even if this thread or more appropriately Blizzard was perfect at catching cheaters it would always be an arms race. My stance is the same as to people who cheese successfully. It was one game out of my many and I will not remember you.

I wish you best of luck getting over this game and as always, I am very open to dissenting opinions. I recommend Chakra needs Further Review at this time.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 14:08:34
June 16 2011 14:26 GMT
#225
Server: EU
Your Name: UWHA
Hacker Name: Weedman
Replay: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4361753/maphacker.zip

The initial overlord scout to the bottom of the map threw me off but it took Weedman no time at all to start staring at your unscouted base and at your units.
1:38 FOW (Main base, unscouted)
2:08 FOW (Main base, pans over to have a close look at your opening)
4:18-4:30 FOW (Pans over your army then expansion. He attack moves while he's there and I'm convinced. It could be said that he saw your overlord and had gosu knowledge of the scout timing, deducing that you were to the left instead of cross position but that is theorycrafting in a bubble. He was already looking at that base repeatedly and I'm convinced)

Weedman in my mind is confirmed.
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Packeteer
Profile Joined September 2010
United States105 Posts
June 16 2011 14:42 GMT
#226
Server: NA
Your Name: Packeteer
Hacker Name: PigGiii
Replay: http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/91979270/file.html
Description: This guy proxies gateways and a forge outside my base without scouting. We spawned in cross position. He was very blatent and never even went up my ramp to check. He kept also moving his camera above my base and scouting me through the FOW. Obvious map hacker is obvious. This one is a no brainer.

Just for kicks the guy BM's me and calls me a "lucky noob" for scouting in my natural. Also from viewing the replay in first person mode I think he is actually quite terrible and slow at the game despite being in masters.
A Marine walks into a a bar and asks... where is the counter?
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 14:08:40
June 16 2011 15:03 GMT
#227
Server: NA
Your Name: Packeteer
Hacker Name: PigGiii
Replay: http://www17.zippyshare.com/v/91979270/file.html
Description: This guy proxies gateways and a forge outside my base without scouting. We spawned in cross position. He was very blatent and never even went up my ramp to check. He kept also moving his camera above my base and scouting me through the FOW.


As described he goes cross position proxy gate forge
1:43 FOW main base
2:06 FOW ramp as a probe comes down
2:16 after looking at his base he promptly has a good look at his opponents main base (specificly where the gateway is being built)
2:30 more FOW and lucky noob bm
2:57 FOW
3:10 FOW
3:24..
3:36..

He spent more time looking at your base through the FOW than at his own base. Obvious maphacker is obvious.

He continues to check his opponents base throughout the rest of the game. Watch it on x8 and you won't miss a thing. Very considerate of him to make it easy on us.


ur lukcy onoob
ur so pathetic noob

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dslyecix
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada37 Posts
June 16 2011 19:32 GMT
#228
Sorry I'm new at reporting this stuff.

Server: US
Your Name: dslyecix
Hacker Name: ReVenGe
Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)dslyecix_vs_(P)ReVenGe__sc2rep_com_20110616/9906

Here's a thread where people express the concern that he's hacking: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234130

On June 17 2011 04:06 AngryPanda wrote:
If you watch your opponents perspective it looks to me like he is map hacking. First off he goes right to your base off the start... Say thats luck... Then he dodges your probe at just about the perfect time... That still didn't look to suspicious, but once he start warping in buildings etc, he is looking at your base in the fog several times to check what you have when he clearly doesn't have vision of u... The game was either extremely lucky cheese or map hacker... IMO
Bc.GiR
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada48 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 20:42:33
June 16 2011 20:15 GMT
#229
[Edit]
I was just wrong.
Moderately terrible zerg player.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 20:24:04
June 16 2011 20:17 GMT
#230
On June 17 2011 04:32 dslyecix wrote:
Sorry I'm new at reporting this stuff.

Server: US
Your Name: dslyecix
Hacker Name: ReVenGe
Replay: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)dslyecix_vs_(P)ReVenGe__sc2rep_com_20110616/9906

Here's a thread where people express the concern that he's hacking: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=234130


The entire first minute he looks at your base and ducks out of the way of your scouting probe. Fully commits to the proxy and keeps looking at your main as buildings are being warped in.

He's hacking in my eyes. I don't know if it is rock solid evidence but there is enough to absolutely suggest it.

Okay. I watched that probe dodge a few times. He reacted before he saw it. He's map hacking in my mind.

It's okay that you're not aware of how to post it. I wish that no one had to be and I hope as few as possible have to be.


Watching the next replay now.
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YueY.930
Profile Joined April 2011
United States18 Posts
June 16 2011 20:24 GMT
#231
I actually don't hack, and I never will hack. I don't even know what the hell red herring camera motions are lol. I just did a circle around the map scrolling for the hell of it. Ive been practicing opening 2 gate lately vs z, and it was just a coincidence you 6 pooled me. Pretty much my last 50 games or so vs z I open 2 gate every single game. Be kinda funny though if I am "declared" a hacker because on bw I got called a hacker all of the time, which was just always a huge compliment
Time to make it happen.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 20:58:35
June 16 2011 20:32 GMT
#232
Submission Retracted

original writeup+ Show Spoiler +

On June 17 2011 05:15 Bc.GiR wrote:
Server: North America
Your Name: GiR
Hacker Name: YueY
Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?9xlut02nsisf9dv
Description: This guy fog of war scouts me (trying to make it not obvious with red herring camera motions) but he also reacts to my 6 pool throwing down extra gate and a wall before he is even close to scouting my base. Seemed like obvious MH before I even watched the rep to see his fog scouting. He still loses so it's kinda funny really.


There is nothing in this replay that suggests he was hacking.
From the OP//Weak Evidence of Hacks
Anticipating drops/muta timing/DT's/VR's/backstabs etc. Some people just take these things into account in their normal build order.


All that is weird about this game is he swings his camera. Opening two gate is relatively standard.
One that on further review he does against all Zerg.


On September 09 2010 02:32 JWD wrote:
Frivolous reports will be cause for warn/ban. Please keep this thread civil and reasonable people!




This matter is settled, do not post any further about it without additional replays.
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Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
June 16 2011 21:29 GMT
#233
Yay Probe1 <3

Thanks everyone for submissions. Thanks Probe for going through them all! I wish I had your free time qq.

Speaking of Free time, I'll have a bunch on Friday evening so I will be going through the replays as well (not because I don't trust Probe1, promise <3. I just want to get eyes on the reps too. :D) and have some input for the Needs Review suggestions as well.

Thanks to other folks for helping out at well, and thanks Yuey for being civil :3
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
June 16 2011 21:38 GMT
#234
probe1 is awesome : )
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-16 21:45:58
June 16 2011 21:45 GMT
#235
thank you not so much free time as an auto refresh button and working from home so I can load starcraft whenever I feel like it.

Everyone else, l3g3nd_ included has does just as much.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
TL AntiHack
Profile Joined May 2011
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-18 21:17:48
June 18 2011 21:10 GMT
#236
Downloading replays now for your regularly scheduled Saturday updates!

Thanks again, everyone who is participating. Probe1 might start updating the OP more regularly than I do, so look for more frequent OP updates!

Edit: Made some edits to the OP regarding last weekend's NEEDS REVIEW, leaving FatCat up as we're really not sure about him still - and I want to keep him up there in case more replays come up. that way we'll remember him and if he has a ton of "needs review" replays we might make an idea off of that.

Currently not active
Torenhire
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States11681 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 00:37:14
June 19 2011 00:36 GMT
#237
On June 10 2011 20:26 Danny9654 wrote:
Server: SEA
Your Name: TADanny.205
Hacker Name: Profiler
Replay: http://drop.sc/14355
Description: Many looks at my base through fog of war and constant looks at my UNSCOUTED expansion


The FOW peek at 6:10 or so wouldn't mean anything if he didn't build that ebay - he could have just been re-checking addons since he forgot or whatever, but he say the port + tech lab and instantly built an ebay. That's definitely a 100% confirm there.. Add on everything else, and you've got a maphacker. Confirmed

On June 11 2011 14:23 danielbe wrote:
Server: NA
Your Name: danielbe
Hacker Name: nycjmz
Replay: http://replayfu.com/r/HhQFms
Description: proxys the correct location without ever scouting. The map is taldarim altar, and he doesn't hesitate for a second where to send his probe. Doesn't look at any other base, doesn't do anything but sit right next to my base and make 2 proxy gateways. I know that's considered "weak evidence", but...


This replay + the 4 or 5 others are riddled with fog of war scouts, "unbelievably" lucky proxies, and is definitely showing a maphacker. While you are correct about the first replay you posted in being "weak evidence" there's kind of...different kinds of weak. This one by itself would be considered less weak as he commits to the proxy well before even scouting you. Had he built the gateways in the middle of the map and rallied you correctly the first time, THEN is when we can't call hacks. This replay was certainly suspicious enough, maybe not to confirm immediately, but the stack of replays provided afterward makes it simple to confirm this guy.

Jebi, thanks for another stack of replays, it helps a lot!

On June 15 2011 06:12 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Server: North America
Your Name: (wasn't me in the game, but he sent me the replay) raWr
Hacker Name: wsuppp
Replay: http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/7293/Wsuppp_XPIRTDESIGN_vs_raWr_KINtoYou


First of all, thanks for the great write up. It isn't necessary but you took the time to do it and it gives us actions to reference on. It's definitely appreciated!

I'm going to echo Probe1 and agree that he's definitely maphacking. You can really judge this based on the first two or three minutes of the game as he's panning over his opponent's bases constantly. He doesn't check the other two locations or bother pretend scouting either. Add up everything else, easy confirm.

On June 15 2011 07:36 lGy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2011 07:33 LicH. wrote:
On May 27 2011 14:50 MayanSc2 wrote:
Server: NA
Your Name: MayanWarrior
Hacker Name: Rem on replay, Helluva on TL fourms and vGOdien new accnt name.
Replay: [url blocked]
Description: He released a replay pack and almost all of them have hovering over oppt bases knows to counter 6pools with forge wall off before even scouting a 6pool! the replay shows massive hovering over Neans base. With no vision over fog. Has opened threads about, "how to change ip address", "how hes going to give away his GM account" and "he is no longer going by the name Rem and chaning to different name"



!confirm on vGOdien

Played him - scouted me close air positions first, 4 gates me and fails, then IMMEDIATELY after this, he beelines it to my hidden expo with no prior vision of it. I call him out on it, he angrily starts saying how he is streaming with 2,000 viewers, and how I am a no life. Shame I didn't save the rep. I'm sure other ppl have experiences like this with vGOdien.


i've played him before.. seemed really fishy, and I notice he is rank 1 masters in the world -_- more cheaters inc in GM?



This isn't a thread where we speculate on hackers based on a game we played.

"Oh I played this game vs Probe1 and he blind countered my banshees with no scouting information"

That doesn't do us ANY good, unless you can provide a game of "fishyness" or "obvious hacks" then you needn't come here to tell us about it, or accuse a player. And in this case, I have both talked with Odien AND his team manager and can tell you straight up he has no relation to the reports above, someone just put his name in there as a mistake. Is it possible Odien AND his manager lied to me? Yeah, possibly, I guess. I don't feel that way, and you can't prove any evidence or even a replay for this matter, so this is going to soon count as a "frivolous report" as JWD said. Don't post acusations without data. Thanks!


Sorry I have to cut off here for now - I need to run some errands and will be back shortly!!

Edit: Pretend this post is TL Antihack account. Whups.
SirJolt: Well maybe if you weren't so big and stupid, it wouldn't have hit you.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 19 2011 11:35 GMT
#238
On June 19 2011 09:36 TL Anti Hack wrote:

"Oh I played this game vs Probe1 and he blind countered my banshees with no scouting information"


OH JESUS THEY KNOW!
/reformat harddrive and move to Guam


Serious note: Though I wouldn't hesitate to talk to a mod if someone tried to screw up this thread with a false report, uncertainty is tolerable. I'm asking that if you aren't sure that's okay. If you treat reporting someone lightly however, get out.
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infinix
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-20 06:38:17
June 19 2011 20:03 GMT
#239
Server: North America
Your Name: iNfiniX
Hacker Name: GtoYeuGbe
Replay: http://www.sc2replayed.com/replay-videos/6343
Description: I normally wouldn't care too much about this, but this guy was increasingly BM in chat as well. I was suspicious in game when he had an overseer ready at his base for my DTs as well as he moved a baneling right as my dts came to his base. he did not scout my base at all. After watching the replay there are 2 instances where are incredibly suspicious. He a moved his zerglings across the map directly to where my proxy pylon was, completely unscouted by him. In addition to this, he pulls off 2 lings to find a hidden probe which he again did not scout at all. The replay shows that he moved both times almost on top of my probe/pylon again without any vision, this occurs at abotu 5:20 in the replay. The replay also confirms the super blind dt counter and his response to the dts is also very suspicious. Thank you for your time.

EDIT:
Typo in the name, the Correct name is GtoYeuGbe.
Canti_the_Angel
Profile Joined June 2011
United States55 Posts
June 19 2011 20:22 GMT
#240
On May 15 2011 22:10 Sporadic44 wrote:
second time this has happened to me. upon entering a game my character keys wouldnt work. and when i hit enter the chat screen appeared as such.
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

is this a confirmed bug or some sort of hack? both times i could not use any alphabetic keys but could use all other keys on the keyboard.

edit: spoiler tag, and the reason for the screen shot is the chat dialogue. it normally says all when you hit enter.


I know this is extreamly delayed and probs already answered, but this "bug" occurs if you alt tab or open another window as the game launches the map and it begins to load. just click pause and minimize/max back into SC2 and you'll be just fine.
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