On August 24 2011 03:37 Curu wrote: Actually this makes more sense to me the more I think about. If he was Mafia, he has an excuse for not being touched by Mafia because he led a mislynch and is under fire, he can get through 2-3 more people, claiming guilty on each one, then at the end claim he is actually paranoid and skate the rest of the way.
Same scenario, except Pyo is claiming naive to escape the lynch rather than paranoid to get people lynched. Check out his posts:
On August 20 2011 17:20 Palmar wrote: I think it's kinda scummy to call out Curu on using fuck twice in the same sentence while you have this in your signature...
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
By the way, BrownBear is the person I want dead today. I'm not sure how to interpret what Foolishness is saying, but at least he's right.
woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead?
It stands for "Wine in front of me" its from the movie princess bride. Though i dont understand it completely myself, its a situation that arises that is confusing because of circular logic, for example if bob is being tunneled and the person tunneling him dies at night, you could say well he must be mafia. but the mafia would want you to think that so what if they killed the tunneller to frame bob. but what if bob knew that....
if anyone has an explination that makes more sense please post it
On August 21 2011 05:34 Foolishness wrote: Man this is a touch choice
Which choice is that?
I'm unvoting Sevryn. As I previously stated he has not set off any bells with what he had posted but by his disappearance.
I'm confused. What do you mean by this? What exactly has changed that would warrant you changing your vote? The only thing I can see is that he's received the critical mass to actually have a lynch so he'll get lynched even if you change your vote. Are you trying to cover your tracks for if/when he flips green?
Trying to set up Jackal for a fall after Sevyrn's flip.
He does vote for Mig but very reluctantly and with "buts" all over the place. While voting for Mig in this post, he also tries to tell us to find someone else to lynch because he doesn't think Mig will get a majority:
On August 24 2011 07:02 Pyo wrote: had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline.
Wow, DT claim into medic claim? I don't think I believe him, but then again, if he's for real, he'll be dead by the hands of the mafia.
I'm going to keep my vote on Mig. He's gone with the "I'm burned out on mafia" defense of his posting into one-liners, which is as scummy as anyone else here (except for DB's role claiming). That said, I don't think he's going to get enough votes to actually be lynched.
Add onto voting Vain over nard and the soft defense of bumatlarge after the player switch (when he had said earlier he was very convinced by Foolishness and thought BB was scum). Everything adds up.
I mentioned Vain so many times because he's been one of the scummiest and most useless people in the thread. I guess my posts helped drive Mafia to frame him though.
I understand that...unfortunately until the boss leaves, I can't dick around much on TL... As someone who's not in much danger of getting lynched, I'll likely be a good target for scum tonight (along with the claimed), so expect a more detailed post before daybreak.
On September 03 2011 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I understand that...unfortunately until the boss leaves, I can't dick around much on TL... As someone who's not in much danger of getting lynched, I'll likely be a good target for scum tonight (along with the claimed), so expect a more detailed post before daybreak.
ok, I didn't want to do the analysis myself because I wanted people to read the thread and come to the correct conclusions themselves, but since everyone who would probably be willing/capable of doing so is already dead, I guess I'll just put it out there, then you can all lynch me and interpret what you want from it. I mean given that there's a slight possibility that I'm actually a sane DT, I wasn't going to post a defense of myself since if everyone thinks I'm town mafia are less likely to go ahead and off me, the more I think about it, I really doubt that I'm actually sane - after all if bum was framing Vain night 3, he probably was also framing him night 2 when I checked him, so whatever, here goes:
First of all, the "filter" option for mafia games needs to be removed. People are being lazy and it is deteriorating the level of play for mafia game analysis. Rather than looking at the context surrounding posts (the "why" of what people are saying), people are only looking at individual posts (the "what"). And that is really bad. Take Curu's "analysis" of me
On August 20 2011 17:20 Palmar wrote: I think it's kinda scummy to call out Curu on using fuck twice in the same sentence while you have this in your signature...
"life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery"
By the way, BrownBear is the person I want dead today. I'm not sure how to interpret what Foolishness is saying, but at least he's right.
woah, woah, woah... BrownBear? I thought you wanted DropBear dead?
Oh look, he doesn't want BrownBear dead.
No, I absolutely wasn't saying BrownBear shouldn't be lynched, I was saying "why was Palmar suddenly changing FoS target?" You would know this if you were actually reading the thread as it was happening.
On August 21 2011 05:34 Foolishness wrote: Man this is a touch choice
Which choice is that?
I'm unvoting Sevryn. As I previously stated he has not set off any bells with what he had posted but by his disappearance.
I'm confused. What do you mean by this? What exactly has changed that would warrant you changing your vote? The only thing I can see is that he's received the critical mass to actually have a lynch so he'll get lynched even if you change your vote. Are you trying to cover your tracks for if/when he flips green?
Trying to set up Jackal for a fall after Sevyrn's flip.[/QUOTE] Are you kidding? All I am doing is calling out jackal's undeclared/explained change of opinion. That isn't going to set anyone up to take the fall for anything. And if I was, why would mafia abandon this plan by kiling jackal night 2? Again, curu is reading an individual post without takign the context of the thread into account.
On September 03 2011 03:06 Curu wrote: He does vote for Mig but very reluctantly and with "buts" all over the place. While voting for Mig in this post, he also tries to tell us to find someone else to lynch because he doesn't think Mig will get a majority:
On August 24 2011 07:02 Pyo wrote: had no internet for a day... im caught up to page 55, gonna place my vote on Mig, but i might change it if I finish reading the thread before the deadline.
Wow, DT claim into medic claim? I don't think I believe him, but then again, if he's for real, he'll be dead by the hands of the mafia.
I'm going to keep my vote on Mig. He's gone with the "I'm burned out on mafia" defense of his posting into one-liners, which is as scummy as anyone else here (except for DB's role claiming). That said, I don't think he's going to get enough votes to actually be lynched.
Again, taken out of context of the thread... This was 4 hours before the deadline and I had just gotten back from having no internet for a while. I was the 5th vote on Mig, 14 were required to lynch. In case you don't remember the night 2 vote counts. In fact, Mig wasn't even lynched that night, so yeah, I didn't think Mig would get a majority, and in fact didn't get one.
As for the voting for Vain, I was the 3rd person to vote and first person to vote for vain, I just didn't change my vote, part because it didn't matter and part because vain flipping red would have confirmed my sanity. Also if you recall, the entire thread was convinced that both nard and vain were scum given chaoser's DT claim and WBG not yet having given the results of his watching. There was nothing scummy about having voted for vain if you actually consider the thread.
No offense Curu, but your posts had little if anything to do with Vain being considered scummy by people. The fact that 2 DT's independently checked him means he was being plenty scummy. In retrospect, it makes sense that mafia would want to frame a scummy looking town.
On September 02 2011 03:05 Curu wrote: Just got back from my trip to Montreal, still a little hungover.
I'd like to lynch bum then Pyo, remember that thing I typed way back when DB fakeclaimed DT about how claiming naive/insane DT is a great play for Mafia? Yeah. Convenient that the claim comes out after he's finally being called out for lurking all game and how it perfectly gives him an excuse to be a lurker.
On August 31 2011 01:48 Pyo wrote: bumatlarge - no idea really, I thought BB was scum, but the sub (and the need to be subbed in the first place) has thrown me off so I don't really know. WBG's analysis of him felt like bullshit though.
If bum flips red I'm pretty sure Pyo is red too, especially if Vain is Town (he was one of the first/only to vote Vain over nard). Also this is the dumbest reason to soft defend anyone I've ever seen.
I'll also take this opportunity to defend my assessment of WBG. I said that WBG's analysis of Bum was bullshit, and yeah it was. Everything he was saying was total grasping at straws. Basically, WBG knew that Bum was scum because of his blue power. His "analysis" was simply a way to push for bum being scum without directly coming out and saying, "hey everyone, I'm a blue and bum is scum." I interpreted it as shady analysis with an agenda, and I was right in a sense. However, I thought it was because he was mafia trying to push something - turns out he was a blue trying to push something.
Those are all the people to speak up to the first confirmed scum said anything. After this point anyone saying anything could possibly be scum weighing in.
Now, think about this all from the mafia perspective for a second here. What do they know? They know that bum framed Vain night 3. They know I'm not lying about being a DT because I posted my flavor text. I could be lying about my checks however since they have no idea where I actually have been. Now given bum's response, it's clear that mafia has decided that they are going to direct the next lynch to me since it's clear that the momentum of town is toward not believing me.
Ok, so what do we learn from individuals' reactions. Well, first of all:
1. Barnudar is probably town. He is extremely aggressive in calling me out as a liar, before I even gave my checks - scum would be at least somewhat hesitant to go after me given my flavor text. 2. chaos13 is extremely suspicious. He posted 15 minutes after my claim, which means he was at least active in following what was going on, but didn't comment on my claim at all. In fact, the next thing he posted was actually this, where he suggests lynching me over Bum. Also look at his next post. If I'm so likely to be scum, why does my claiming to be DT have any influence over anything? This is a contradiction in behavior. Also, go back further through chaos13's history and you'll find this little gem. Chaos13 was trying to make town panic by saying that we were in LYLO, when we were nowhere close to it. And if you read the thread, basically this whole LYLO nonsense came at a time where Mig was in the hotseat. Making people doubt their voting and being worried about voting the wrong person is a great way to defend another scum without actually defending them.
And now finally, there's this post:
On September 01 2011 21:44 bumatlarge wrote: Et tu pyo?
Would scum really say somethign retarded like that about another scum member? Yeah sure you can write that off as WIFOM, but scum wouldn't put themselves in a WIFOM situation. Whatever, if you all really still think I'm scum so be it. Just after I flip, go back and actually read the thread and think about WHY people are saying what they are saying, not just WHAT people are saying.
chaos13 was not nervous. This was hardly the first time someone had tried to kill him. It was perhaps a bit more *dangerous* than what he was used to, especially considering the lack of bodyguards and the fact that he didn't own any weapons. He had been spared so far, he thought, it was... unlikely... that the cult would target him from all the other targets in town. Besides the fear aching in his stomach was an old friend, from political rallies, from endless wars and assassination attempts, from having to face his cabinet after making a rash decision. This was nothing new chaos13 reassured himself. That is how chaos13 managed to somehow draw a cheery smile on his face when a tall sickly looking man suddenly materialized in his lobby. The town found chaos13 in a puddle of his own blood in the morning, his heart having apparently burst, the same placid smile locked in his features.
That same night at the ashes of the Pointed Rose a lone man stood, saddened at the loss of the place and the woman who ran it. Barundar bemoaned the loss of liquor and life, standing on the ashes of a fire that it was his duty to have stopped, a death he might have prevented. Had he not been so occupied drinking his fears away he might have averted this tragedy. Barundar just stood there, staring, thinking, lamenting. With a heavy sigh Barundar turned away to head back home and maybe grab a drink of his favorite bourbon, when he saw a shadow out of the corner of his eye. Suddenly fear and guilt possessed Barundar, and he fell to the ground in tears, ripping at his face with his bear hands. As the shadow grew closer... the shadow turned out to be a beautiful woman, who without a word reached for a knife and handed it to Barundar. He understood, this was clearly an angel, asking him to make penance for his sins. Murmuring his thanks Barundar plunged the knife into his heart, spilling his blood on the ashes of the Pointed Rose. The woman just laughed and laughed, before recovering the knife and walking into the shadows whence she came
chaos13, Lincon, President in Exile (Necrophiliac Liquidite) has had his heart burst! Barundar, Chris the Firefighter (Liquidite) has committed suicide out of despair!
Liquidite- Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV, you are Lincon, ex-president of a distant country, you staged your own murder and moved to liquidia, you have no special powers or political clout here, but your sense of justice will not let you allow these murders to continue unopposed, you will vote every day in an attempt to stop these killings.
Liquidite - Welcome to TL Mafia XLIV you are Chris the firefighter, you like your job, as you are almost never called out, luckily for you its not well known that you have a severe drinking problem, its not like it impedes your ability to do work.... too badly, anyway. You hate these damned cultists that are taking you away from your bourbon, you also mildly dislike their arsonist tendencies. Go out and vote for them, or you'll have to keep putting out fires.
WTF chaoser survives 2 nights after claiming AND saying he found a scum (which was itself made at a really bad time where he could've been trying to cause a mislynch from Mig)?
Mafia's at 3 players right now, if we lynch another mafia today then they'll be at 1 kp. Would they want to kill 1 dude today or 2 dudes today? Think about it.
On September 03 2011 11:13 chaoser wrote: Mafia's at 3 players right now, if we lynch another mafia today then they'll be at 1 kp. Would they want to kill 1 dude today or 2 dudes today? Think about it.
especially given that they have a roleblocker, this was the obvious move on their part.
EPT
As someone who's not in much danger of getting lynched, I'll likely be a good target for scum tonight (along with the claimed), so expect a more detailed post before daybreak.
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