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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
I'm as townie as they come man | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
You're missing the point I'm making entirely. MY point was that in switching to Coag, you ensured the lynch of ONE OF YOUR TOWNREADS. The precious town-reads you're hoping to save with the switching shenannies in the first place bro. If you were town, I would have expected you to pick the lesser of two evils - not completely buck both of the candidates in favor of an outlier with NO FUCKING VOTES. THAT is my point, the vote counts and timing and shit doesn't matter at all - the breakdown in your reasoning lies in the fact that you ensured the lynch of Shady with your switch, someone who you had a townread on, by unvoting someone you initially voted "as a good alternative to SS". Anyway, feel free to prove me wrong. Feel free to try and find scum between now and lynchtime tomorrow. If you're town, I honestly hope you're able to show it to us because right now all I'm getting is scummy fact-twisting and double-talk. It could be because it's late (it's 4am here too) but that's what tomorrows are for isn't it? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Night bro. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
You are using the time stamp of the taly if you think I actually knew what the vote count was. My thinking was merely this: I don't want either of these to die. Thus, I will not vote for either of these. PERIOD. I didn't have a clue what the vote count was, what my actions would result in. Frankly, with 50 min prior to the lynch, with 3 people left to vote, with ppl unvoting and voting left and right, I didn't even bother. Is this so hard to grasp? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Go to sleep sir. We can continue this after we've both slept. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Fine, gnight man | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
With no rivalling claims to VE there seems to be little reason to not join the kush wagon. It seems I was quite wrong about VE too, but at least the fact that Kush is scum explains some things I had interpreted (hey, let me have my moment of not feeling like a fool please!). As for the other recent exchanges. I think sloosh comes out in a bad light. His reasoning behind him pushing BC didnt seem very well thought out and it seems he has backed off of it. But theres clear scum motives to try and get BC lynched should he be a veteran. MMToss.... hmmmm. Theres convenience in claiming an already flipped role and following it up with claiming roleblock, but given his short filter its pretty hard to find something else that really strikes out as scummy. Probably gonna read through Z-Boson next, but first thought is Im getting a lot less scummy vibes from either side of the VE/Boson exchange than from sloosh. ##Unvote ##Vote Kushm4sta | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 10 2012 16:36 Z-BosoN wrote: Fuck man, it's 4 am here... I'm trying to dismiss you so I can sleep Let me try harder, then, since it seems like you actually care about what I have to say I did not want Node to die to this wagon. I thought it was unjustified. I decided this after I put my vote on Node and ever since I've been playing a lot differently. I also did not want to kill shady. Therefore, I changed to someone else. What I said later was: If I were scum (ok assume I'm scum) and I my unvoting was actually an attempt to save Node, why the HELL would I have done that 40-50 min prior to the lynch? I feel that this wouldn't accomplish shit, and would probably throw my ass on the line (as is what's happening). I'm arguing that it would be completely ridiculous for me, as scum, to want to save Node in such a manner. Why? Because I'd be sticking my neck out and for what? No guarantees? I'd most likely wait until actual lynch time to see if my switching of votes would make a difference. I'm add something new here. YOU are probably thinking that I unvoted because I realized that Node was actually maybe gonna get lynched for real. My post in the thread came 9 minutes after the 7/7 post on the vote thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260¤tpage=29#573 So for this theory to be true, I've had to instantly refresh the voting thread, quickly as hell change my mind, write a post and 9 minutes later, BAM, post that I had changed my mind. That supports the fact that I got unlucky right? Because 9 minutes to make the post I made and to make a decision of this caliber, AND assuming I read the vote tally right after it came off is a bit too much, no? Hopefully that makes my claim more believable That is actually an incredibly weak defense when I read through it again though lol (might have ro re-evaluate my 10min old claim of VE/Boson exhange being less scummy.....). The first bolded part is null. I hate when people say "if I was scum doing this would make no sense" beceause that is exactly the reason why it might make sense for scum. The ideas doing stuff "too scummy to be scum" or "too stupid to be planned" are very real, and yes, that is something mafia players can and have used. So that means nothing. The 2nd bolded part..... Im honestly surprised you're bringing up that as a defense at all. Its like there would be some magic threshold at the vote score 7-7 where up until then no mafia would care about it but when passed they wouldnt. Yea, if it was like that, your 9min theory makes sense. OR you actually thought about switching already at 4-7 or 5-7, thought about it more at 6-7 and decided that at 7-7 it was getting out of hand and decided to switch. On your plus side though is the fact that Marv pushed the case, which we still dont really know why, but we have to assume that mafia were prepared to bus Node (maybe because he was inactive, shown by his need for a replacement). So your actions stand against those of marv, which is good for you. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 10 2012 17:15 kushm4sta wrote: im not scum you noobs and you should know that. first person to unvote me gets an ice cream sandwich. ##Unvote Kushm4sta ##Vote Kushm4sta Gimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimmegimme. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:42 Z-BosoN wrote: For contrasting purposes. First view on kush: What the fuck is this post right here? I don't want to lynch him for these reasons. I want to lynch him for those reasons. Why the hell is he even bringing that up? This flimsiness is characteristic of scum. Especially DarthPunk. In XXVIII when he got tunnel vision on kush, he didn't even begin to make a concession of any type. So right now, he's made clear he wants to lynch kush, despite him showing improved play (for some reason, he feels it's necessary to mention this). I was responding to the post by promethelax directly above mine. That is why I made this statement. The difference between this game and the last game are that Last game Kush made a large scumslip. This game he has not. On October 10 2012 14:42 Z-BosoN wrote: Afterwards: Then ends with this post: Also: Now what's interesting about this is that he finds me scummy for including the possibility that kush may flip town. If he thinks kush will flip scum, for sure, as he says, why is he targeting me for considering this possibility?. One may think that he thinks I'm trying to defend my scumbuddy. But that's not what he includes here: So, Darthpunk, are you or are you not sure that he is scum? You attack me for considering that he might be townie, yet you make that same consideration yourself? Very weird. Very weird indeed. I was sure when VE claimed a red check. I was less sure when I acknowledged the possibility of a framer. Unlike scum I odn;t know 100% what kush's alignment is so there is always some element of doubt. I don't see why this makes me scum. On October 10 2012 14:42 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, his only scumhunting from the last three pages is this list: And a couple of other aggressive cases against ShiaoPi. He also reiterates the meta arguments brought up by our smurfy friend ToutEstChaos. Another useless post: So DP has spent much of the last three pages in his filtering tunneling kush, and made some posts that seem more like he's giving off the impression he wants to scumhunt without generally doing so. He's also criticizing me for something he himself noted earlier on, but quickly changed his mind on the subject. It seems to me like he's seizing the opportunity to use kush as an excuse to not bother reading the thread. His "suspicion" on me seems fake as all hell, and I think he's scum. LOL. In case you missed it the last two cycles had mod confirmed scum. I have done far more scum hunting than most of the people in this game, but I too am susceptible to the boredom from having confirmed lynches. I am not tunnelling Kush. This is a misconception that people used against me falsely last game also. I think he is scum so then I focus on getting him lynched. I have made cases and observations on others despite the impotence involved with the last two lynches. I fail to see anything that makes me scummy to be honest. Your case feels weak and like an OMGUS more than anything. On October 10 2012 14:42 Z-BosoN wrote: [/quote]#Fos DarthPunk OK. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 10 2012 16:49 Z-BosoN wrote: I ensure it? Why the hell did I ensure it? You are using the time stamp of the taly if you think I actually knew what the vote count was. My thinking was merely this: I don't want either of these to die. Thus, I will not vote for either of these. PERIOD. I didn't have a clue what the vote count was, what my actions would result in. Frankly, with 50 min prior to the lynch, with 3 people left to vote, with ppl unvoting and voting left and right, I didn't even bother. Is this so hard to grasp? The thing is this kind of thinking seems one dimensional. And is frankly beneath the play I know you to be capable of. You come off as a realist. Rather than an Idealist. A realist would say. I know one of the two major wagons is going to get lynched therefore I decide which I feel is towniest and vote for their opponent. An idealist would say. Who cares what the actual circumstances are. I will vote for neither because I fell neither should be lynched. And then happily throw away their vote achieving nothing at all. I have played several games with you. And I know for a fact that you consider the circumstances of a situation when playing. This wasted vote makes far more sense for you as a calculated play. Than some expression of whimsical idealism via a trashed vote. I think you are smarter than that. FoS: Z - Boson | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On October 10 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote: can we lynch bloodyclob for being alive? we can lynch you for playing in alignment with your scum meta. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 10 2012 19:53 risk.nuke wrote: we can lynch you for playing in alignment with your scum meta. lol. I miss all of Matt's posts. It would be crap if he was scum and won via afk. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
##Vote Kushm4sta | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 10 2012 21:54 Mattchew wrote: hey im not afk right this second ##Vote Kushm4sta Why are you AFK and conforming to your scum meta? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On October 10 2012 21:59 Mattchew wrote: honestly? look at the last 3 days (i honestly thought i voted hapa) but theres been no real necessary discussion. lynch marv, hapa, kush. We aren't lynching off analysis or discussion, we are lynching off of roles and setup ish. So your answer is to let town die with lack of discussion? What happens when we aren;t dictated to by blue roles and we have a town full of AFK vets? Who are your top reads and why. What do you think Of VE's case on Z-Boson? What do you think of Z-Bosons case on Me? It is not like there has been nothing to comment on. Seems like a pretty weak excuse to me. | ||
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