Tremble in fear SC2 progamers, fOrGG has officially made the switch to professional Starcraft 2. For those of you who don't know who he is, fOrGG was a Brood War progamer who played as terran for Lecaf Oz and later KT Rolster. By far his greatest accomplishment professionally was winning the Arena MSL, during which he defeated Kal, Flash, and Jaedong. With a record of 52W-28L, fOrGG was second only to Flash at TvZ in terms of winning percentage over the course of his career (September 2006 through December 2010). Yes, better than the likes of Light, Midas, Hwasin, Leta, Sea, Iris, etc., and he holds the 12th highest TvZ peak Elo rating ever. However at times he could also still be formidable in TvT (BoX wins against Hwasin, HiyA, and the aforementioned Flash) and TvP (completely owned Bisu head to head).
fOrGG recently defeated 3 time OSL winner July to secure himself a slot in Code S next year!
Random facts/notes
Known for his macro and timing attacks.
Career high Kespa rank #5 Sep 2008 - Nov 2008
Kespa rank #16 at the time of his retirement (December 2010)
Hasn't actually used the name "fOrGG" in a long time. For the majority of his career his gamertag was Never_V_
For those of you who care about this sort of thing, the the f and the r are lower case, the O and both G's are upper case.
Korean accounts (all have spent time near the top of Korean Grandmasters): FinRaptorApex
Accomplishments/Achievements ESTV/TwitchTV Korean Weekly Monthly Finals #3 - Quarterfinalist Korean Weekly #12 - Semifinalist 1st Place - 2008 ArenaMSL Information all taken from fOrGG Fanclub
omg...what the. Not so long ago there were hardly any good terrans streaming. I'll never get to play now, will just watch these guys in awe. Can't wait to watch him!
On December 07 2011 02:22 Caesarion wrote: God damn it. I'm supposed to be asleep.
Hehe, I like how his ESV achievements are higher than the MSL.
I think they're listed that way because the fanclub was made for him in Starcraft 2, not Brood War.
Yeah, makes sense. Just made me smile.
I wonder what's causing the recent spate of top koreans streaming. Almost all of HoSeo are, Bomber and July, now fOrGG too. I wish SlayerS allowed their players to stream, would love to see Puzzle and Brown.
On December 07 2011 02:22 Caesarion wrote: God damn it. I'm supposed to be asleep.
Hehe, I like how his ESV achievements are higher than the MSL.
I think they're listed that way because the fanclub was made for him in Starcraft 2, not Brood War.
Yeah, makes sense. Just made me smile.
I wonder what's causing the recent spate of top koreans streaming. Almost all of HoSeo are, Bomber and July, now fOrGG too. I wish SlayerS allowed their players to stream, would love to see Puzzle and Brown.
i expect they will all hop on the streaming bandwagon soon enough~~
On December 07 2011 02:28 oGsSK wrote: hey i will get the stream of forgg fixed. we have to sleep soon cause its 2:30am! I hope he will get featured soon than because he will keep streaming
On December 07 2011 02:28 oGsSK wrote: hey i will get the stream of forgg fixed. we have to sleep soon cause its 2:30am! I hope he will get featured soon than because he will keep streaming
On December 07 2011 02:32 Nouar wrote: or maybe just the guy teaching them how to stream prefers own3d (yes reis, I'm looking at you ^^) and so they just get there eventually.
Perhaps own3d are just working actively to support the KR scene, they sponsor the whole of the KSL afterall ^^
On December 07 2011 02:35 BlitzerSC wrote: Is he live at the moment ? Own3d said that he is live ( and he has around 600 viewers ) but my screen is black.
Yeah, he's live. They're working on fixing the sound right now.
On December 07 2011 02:35 BlitzerSC wrote: Is he live at the moment ? Own3d said that he is live ( and he has around 600 viewers ) but my screen is black.
all i can see is a black screen.. is it only me? how i wish forgg is using twitch.tv. own3d lags like hell for me EDIT: works fine now.. so excited to see him play
On December 07 2011 02:32 Nouar wrote: or maybe just the guy teaching them how to stream prefers own3d (yes reis, I'm looking at you ^^) and so they just get there eventually.
Perhaps own3d are just working actively to support the KR scene, they sponsor the whole of the KSL afterall ^^
Exactly, all problems I had with own3d have been thrown out of the window thanks to the KSL - they can now do no wrong!
On December 07 2011 02:40 Noocta wrote: Damn.. ForGG and Bomber are both streaming right now.. I can't chose. TT
July is streaming as well >.< It seems the Koreans are starting to get on the stream bandwagon, which in my opinion is amazing! Hopefully Slayers will hop on in the near future so we can see them boss it up as well
o dear god, i couldn't be more excited then I see Owned tv streaming site -_- why do all ogs members use this? can you liquid guys persuade them all to switch to twitch.tv it's so much better for the user experience i personally cannot watch owned streams unless they run almost no adds as they tend to play at full volume and almost blow up my speakers/eardrums TT
On December 07 2011 02:56 Kipsate wrote: Uses M for Marine instead of A
you know why?
cause he is a boss.
also
F for Marauder(Firebat) V for Hellion(Vulture)
:>.
I wonder if he uses O for siege mode.
He probably does because he uses classic hotkeys (BW Terran hotkeys). And yeah playing without healthbars feels so good, glad that a good Terran streamer does it too so I don't have to watch them ugly bars ^^_^.
I haven#t really seen a control like him before in SC2. How he microed each Marauder individually when he was chasing the Stalkers in order to ctach all of them. Beatiful.
On December 07 2011 02:28 oGsSK wrote: hey i will get the stream of forgg fixed. we have to sleep soon cause its 2:30am! I hope he will get featured soon than because he will keep streaming
Is his stream registered on TeamLiquid? Sorry if I missed it but I can't see it.
On December 07 2011 03:37 FiReMaN wrote: Damn I missed it, are there any VODs from own3d.tv like there are from twitch?
I've never seen a Korean pro have vods for their stream. It might be coincidence but I'd think it's more likely that broadcasting your games live is one thing, and having an easily accessible archive for potential opponents to research from is another =p
On December 07 2011 03:37 FiReMaN wrote: Damn I missed it, are there any VODs from own3d.tv like there are from twitch?
I've never seen a Korean pro have vods for their stream. It might be coincidence but I'd think it's more likely that broadcasting your games live is one thing, and having an easily accessible archive for potential opponents to research from is another =p
Sick to see fOrGG streaming though. I'll have to check this out over christmas break if he streams regularly
On December 07 2011 06:50 tuho12345 wrote: stream down already? Own3D does save the vods but it takes a couple days to go up. Unlike TwitchTV just like 2 hours later.
So sad that all the best players using Own3D. It's quality suck, can't watch on ipad or iphone on the go.
Also ya.. Own3d is kinda bad. Wish they would just use twitch.. so much better.
Is that Backstreet Boys or N'Sync (i forgot which boy band) playing on the background of his stream? Hahaha amazing, he's kicking everyone's ass in ladder while listening to American Pop music of yesteryear.
And he gets the colossi. The thing is too that the protoss has some great micro there, but Forgg just kept splitting his groups off and powering it down. His macro during micro is just ridiculous
Hwangsin had a good advantage that game. If it were on a tournament map with the gold removed fOrGG would have had a much harder time making a comeback.
On December 09 2011 12:55 ShadowDrgn wrote: ForGG is hilariously abusive on the ladder. His opponents keep trying normal builds and forGG just scv all-ins them every game and wins. I love it.
This is false, as he only all-in'd in the last game vs hwangsin. He does a standard 1-1-1 usually w/ a expo around 31-35 supply, as he did in the last 5-6 games. Maybe you should actually watch the games?
Skill-wise he is definitely the best player to have made the switch. Others may have had better careers or have been more prestigious but their skills could not keep up with the newer players.
On December 09 2011 13:08 Juvant wrote: Was he better than MVP in BW?
Someone more knowledgable on BW, I defer to you. Also, does that make him the best player to have made the switch?
He was retired before he came back to play SC2...So it's really difficult to say. Forgg is historically better than MVP though, he won a MSL and before he retired in september 2010 he was top 30 kespa rank afaik. MVP peaked at rank 39. MVP was not a very good player apart from his MSL run in which he was playing well if I am correct. So I would say yes, Forgg is the best player that has switched.
On December 09 2011 13:11 jiabung wrote: Skill-wise he is definitely the best player to have made the switch. Others may have had better careers or have been more prestigious but their skills could not keep up with the newer players.
Pretty much this. You can make an argument for MVP being better at the very end, but even then I would've rated ForGG higher.
I hate to keep swooning about this guy, but everything he's doing is just so... Good. That banshee harass... forcing the spore out of position so he can get to the drone line.. His hellion micro against Hwangsin. It's beautiful.
On December 09 2011 13:14 Existential wrote: I just noticed this but why does he play without health bars on? :O!
I think he is such a long-time seasoned BW pro that he is trying to keep everything as close to BW as possible. All his hotkeys are the really inefficient BW hotkeys (V for helion (vulture) M for marine, etc).
It was really smart having the banshees keep hammering the spawning pool. With the Helion Thor push after the pool's death. Idra couldn't make lings and was stuck with mutas. That push basically forced Idra to quit since he had no answer for it, not enough mutas to handle the thors even if he magic boxed his heart out.
It was IdrA - and he was quite dead at that point. After hellions, cloaked banshees, then hellion drops? That push was going to destroy IdrA. He barely had an army because of all the damage fOrGG did. Really solid play.
His t v z is a bit gimmicky (hellion run-by into cloak banshee into 2 base thor/hellion/scv all in), was kind of hoping to see something a little more solid out of him. His t v p and t v t are god like though.
On December 09 2011 13:24 Neurosis wrote: His t v z is a bit gimmicky (hellion run-by into cloak banshee into 2 base thor/hellion/scv all in), was kind of hoping to see something a little more solid out of him. His t v p and t v t are god like though.
He's only been doing this stuff to Idra, I assume because he knows who it is. <.<
On December 09 2011 13:24 Neurosis wrote: His t v z is a bit gimmicky (hellion run-by into cloak banshee into 2 base thor/hellion/scv all in), was kind of hoping to see something a little more solid out of him. His t v p and t v t are god like though.
He's only been doing this stuff to Idra, I assume because he knows who it is. <.<
He was using that same strategy vs other zergs earlier.
On December 09 2011 13:14 Existential wrote: I just noticed this but why does he play without health bars on? :O!
I think he is such a long-time seasoned BW pro that he is trying to keep everything as close to BW as possible. All his hotkeys are the really inefficient BW hotkeys (V for helion (vulture) M for marine, etc).
Ah okay, that makes sense, though somewhat silly.
Haha that last game was hilarious! I actually could not stop laughing..
I don think that heavy harass into 2base mech push is really solid once the zergs figured out he's been doing it every game. Havent seen him play a big macro style yet.
On December 09 2011 14:40 gogogadgetflow wrote: I don think that heavy harass into 2base mech push is really solid once the zergs figured out he's been doing it every game. Havent seen him play a big macro style yet.
Ya it doesn't work well if you know it's coming (like most terran strategies). On top of that I think it only really punishes the zergs that blitz for mutas whilst massing drones. It would explain why it was so good vs Idra because that is literally the only build he uses in z v t.
On December 09 2011 14:06 MountainDewJunkie wrote: Wanted to see what all the buzz was about.... holy shit, he is good.
Also makes me sad. Pro BW first-player-POV was ridiculously fast and intense. Now watching SC2 FP-POV is almost just like observing...
On December 09 2011 14:21 TooN wrote: I feel like this game is easy for him?
I'd like to think that there is a principle of least EffOrt; you do as much work as required to win/be best but not much more. Consequently as the competition gets harder, the level of play gets better.
So it is in all aspects of competition among humans, from sports to business.
So that it is easy for ForGG would mean that the competition isn't saturated yet and the game is in rapid evolution, when it becomes difficult with more competition players will start searching for marginal gains.
I was imagining this happening just a couple of days ago, after noticing oGs.SK streaming and realising it wasn't NaDa but someone on the normal ogs.SK stream, streaming Playhem (possibly on December 7th, but AU time) >.> So now he is! Yippee!
Does fOrGG ever lose or play games that go beyond 15 minutes? Havent seen it so far. cant wait to see him stream again - most entertaining thing ive watched in SC for days.
I'm pretty sure it was 5-0. It was so funny on the last game where he left without even trying to defend it after he scouted it and fin stayed in the game and boxed idra's idle drones and was like "lol wtf?"
Interesting that fOrGG's stream is called 'oGsForGG.' Any possibility he's switching his name back to fOrGG officially after seeing the foreigner fans' preference?
On December 09 2011 21:16 Flobsen wrote: I think he just grinds as fast as possible games to make some bucks. Hype in this thread ridiculous as usual.
no one if forcing you to watch, you have the free will same as his viewers,and no hype is not ridiculous, hes the only player of this caliber streaming
Hey i enjoy watching him too, it's just acting like he plays like a god in his laddergames. He mostly allins/cheeses - nothing wrong with that - but if anyone else would do that he would get flamed for it. BITBYBIT anyone ?
On December 09 2011 21:27 Flobsen wrote: Hey i enjoy watching him too, it's just acting like he plays like a god in his laddergames. He mostly allins/cheeses - nothing wrong with that - but if anyone else would do that he would get flamed for it. BITBYBIT anyone ?
if you cant see the difference beeten bitbybit and forgg i help you, 1 rolls the dice in tournament hoping for blind win, while the other one relly his strategy on his execution
also forgg has the most impressive mechanics ive seen on terran sc2 stream, and the other thing, he is not playing differently than he does usualy on ladder so there is no hidden intent of "making more bucks with fast games"
What I liked about him is that no matter what the situation, he seems to keep playing very smoothly and calmly. Some streamers seem to get really thrown off by some strategies and just go in desperation mode. And before someone says I'm refering to idra, it's not just him. idra play is actually pretty smooth.
his hellions didnt do enough dmg, and standard steph style kinda counters mass thor (infestor/ultra), however i loved how he placed auto-turrets to kill NPing infestors ^^
That game was art. An fricking awesome harass with hellions and banshees for nearly 15minutes straight that had Stephano on the ropes and behind on supply nearly the whole game... Then a 8tanks/8thors/hellions/banshee (1 i guess ?) took on the ultralinginfestor of Stephano, and NP really saved him, I wasn't betting a lot on Stephano on this fight... but taking control of 4 thors for 5-8seconds was enough to roll. He then continued to victory shortly after a flank on the tanks guardgin fOrGG's gold.
Is anyone else kinda morbidly curious as to what he would do to people in NA placement matches? Watching Dragon do those was hilarious, forGG doing them could be even better.
that poor zerg he just played omg that build is out of this world -.- reactor hellion into two cloaked banshee into two base thor push with constant harrass its a thing of beauty....
Well fOrGG was eating Bonjwas for breakfast during his bw prime so this dude could actually be the real Hydra even if he takes a bloody beating from Fin.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
Thing is it's pretty much impossible for CJ to let him play so much SC2, particularly under that name tag, so the probability of him actually being Hydra is really, really slim.
Leenock has his own account that is in GM. It would make no sense for him to troll everyone by using a smurf after a BW Pro like that. Hard to imagine he'd think of doing something like that. It's bizarre.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
I mean maybe but that's a pretty big assumption. It isn't such a big stretch that Hydra would be checking out sc2 considering they just added sc2 to proleague.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
I mean maybe but that's a pretty big assumption. It isn't such a big stretch that Hydra would be checking out sc2 considering they just added sc2 to proleague.
But he most likely wouldn't have enough MMR to face these players.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
I mean maybe but that's a pretty big assumption. It isn't such a big stretch that Hydra would be checking out sc2 considering they just added sc2 to proleague.
But he most likely wouldn't have enough MMR to face these players.
You're making fairly large assumptions. I'm not saying it 100 percent is the real Hydra but I just don't understand why someone would pretend to be him, makes no sense.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
I mean maybe but that's a pretty big assumption. It isn't such a big stretch that Hydra would be checking out sc2 considering they just added sc2 to proleague.
But he most likely wouldn't have enough MMR to face these players.
You're making fairly large assumptions. I'm not saying it 100 percent is the real Hydra but I just don't understand why someone would pretend to be him, makes no sense.
It makes less sense that he just started playing and is suddenly a top GM caliber player. It makes even less sense that CJ would let him play so much SC2, it's not like he's a B-teamer they won't use any time soon and can spare him "wasting" valuable training time playing SC2.
Players have multiple smurfs, no idea why someone would pick this name in particular, but it could be any top zerg.
On December 10 2011 08:40 Neurosis wrote: Why would Leenock pretend to be Hydra though?
No idea, maybe he just wants to troll. I only say Leenock because his playing style seems to match, and he'd be likely to defeat fOrGG, Bomber and Sage.
I mean maybe but that's a pretty big assumption. It isn't such a big stretch that Hydra would be checking out sc2 considering they just added sc2 to proleague.
no they didnt add sc2 to proleague unless i missed something earlier today o.o
Watching forgg's stream is an exercise in frustration, lots of moments of brilliance combined with the most bizarre decisions. He seems to have this desire to be constantly aggressive, which is great, but it's really odd when his army gets crushed and he decides to attack again with an even more feeble one.
On December 10 2011 09:42 bgx wrote: i honestly think hes just testing stuff, his gsl matches didnt look like that
To be fair all his opponents crumbled under early pressure, on his stream we've been able to see how he plays if his early pressure doesn't go so great.
On December 10 2011 09:49 pdd wrote: Does fOrGG ever sleep? It feels like he's been streaming 24 hours to me.
lol I was just gonna post that. every time I check TL he's streaming! but I'm not complaining! I guess you don't get this good by just doing nothing :D
when I first started watching a couple of days back, he was like 50+ masters... you guys think he'll be GM soon?
Hahaha his playlist is hilarious. You get to hear The Pretender like 15 times in an hour and then the 2 songs that are after The Pretender because he can't tab out and change it back to The Pretender because he is in a game. Baller stream
On December 10 2011 18:03 gogogadgetflow wrote: what the hell he goes past 2 base?
nvm he will die first. needs tanks 'gg yo'
Its the Carn Build
the carn build involves building a near maxed army of thor hellion off 3 base, see nada vs nestea. this build is banshees and hellions harass and then thor/banshee/hellion with no intention of expanding beyond nat.
On December 10 2011 18:09 thepeonwhocould wrote: Proxy 2 rax in middle of map. Zerg cancels hatch so forgg bunkers the zergs main and wins lol..
On December 10 2011 18:45 DoNotDisturb wrote: He has a really interesting playlist, nice change from all that... kpop.
It ain't a proper Korean pro-gamer stream without the following: 1) flawless macro 2) jaw-dropping micro 3) "Bubble Pop" or "Roly Poly" playing in the background ad infinitum
But, he has Backstreet Boys' "Quit Playing Games with my Heart" on his playlist, so I'll let it slide.
He must be the cheesiest terran Ive ever seen, he does 2 rax almost every game vs zerg and rarely goes over 2 base. I really dont understand if he does this all the time or just to do more ads between games.
On December 10 2011 20:33 Ryps wrote: He must be the cheesiest terran Ive ever seen, he does 2 rax almost every game vs zerg and rarely goes over 2 base. I really dont understand if he does this all the time or just to do more ads between games.
I expected something else from him..
Welcome to korean GM ladder. They don't just play ladder the whole day and use that as their real practice for macro games like trash foreigners do.
My guess is he's testing out with how much aggression he can use while practicing unit control. Or he looooves cheesin'. His ad micro is annoying quick, too.
This actually seems like quite a decent way to practice on ladder... quick to get a diverse terran army to micro and 2 bases to multitask a little bit. I really appreciate the fact that he does the EXACT same shit every game =)
I think he is doing what most Koreans do with ladder and just testing builds and timings, if you read his interviews you see that he is not aware of most timings atm. I think he is just trying to learn what to exploit and what will and will not hold. For instance I have seen him do the same build against zerg numerous times, where he goes quick pressure into 3 fac 1 pumping hellions the other 2 going thors, he does this to counter quick muta and his thors always hit before muta but he keeps dying to roach pressure afterwards. I think he is seeeing how much damage he has to use for this 4 thor follow up to win straight up.
Its nice seeing someone learn the timings and tweaking builds
On December 10 2011 20:33 Ryps wrote: He must be the cheesiest terran Ive ever seen, he does 2 rax almost every game vs zerg and rarely goes over 2 base. I really dont understand if he does this all the time or just to do more ads between games.
I expected something else from him..
So what you want him to do is not attack when he sees an opportunity to win because you want longer games? my brain is bleeding
Love seeing all the big name opponents too. I watched for just a few hours last night and he played Nestea, Puma and Polt. High MMR on the Korean ladder so everyone he plays is pretty damn good.
ForGG is revolutionizing the TvZ matchup I think. This banshee/hellion harassment keeps ending games so fast. Same build every time and almost always win.
On December 11 2011 10:41 Mothra wrote: ForGG is revolutionizing the TvZ matchup I think. This banshee/hellion harassment keeps ending games so fast. Same build every time and almost always win.
I think that build could be stop by building sporecrawlers a bit earlier isn't it. Most of the Zerg die cuz they just keep droning so hard.
On December 11 2011 11:17 GhostKorean wrote: would hydra really play under CJEntusHydra though? not sure if it's the real guy/ He does play very well but it doesn't mean that he's a progamer
Theres a lot of people equally as good with the same MMR. Theres a decent chance he's stream cheating at the same time. Just an assumption of course, . It probably frustrates fOrGG to play the same guy over and over.
On December 11 2011 11:27 GhostKorean wrote: or maybe the entire IM team made 10 accounts with the same name to troll him! ^^
It could be Losira playing, and NesTea watching the stream telling him what build he is doing and how to counter it.
It takes a team effort to beat ForGG he's so good.
I don't think its Hydra or Losira or any IM players.He could be some amateur player like AriA but his ability to defeat forGG 4 times in a row who is a Code S player proves otherwise.He could be a high level smurf player as far as we know.There are many great players in the Korean ladder that sometimes does not get recognition.
But then why would they pretend to be someone else? It wouldn't make sense for someone to avoid attention by using someone else's ID and then stream snipe fOrGG over and over to gain attention
He practices so much. It's funny how he said that the practice is much more lax than when he used to be a BW pro and he's still going at it all day. I'd love to see what a day in a BW pro house was like.
I don't understand the use of constantly practicing this 1-base build against zerg he's doing, there is only so much you can do on 1 base.. why does he do this?
Hahaha the micro that last game was amaaaazing can't believe barracks units of that number can stand up against a high pressure multi-gateway attack with a cancelled nexus.
On December 11 2011 13:04 Eraserhead wrote: I don't understand the use of constantly practicing this 1-base build against zerg he's doing, there is only so much you can do on 1 base.. why does he do this?
Cause you said it yourself: he is practicing it. Refining its timings, control, and adaptability. Its just ladder, he lives in a practice house, Im sure the real training is when he isnt streaming.
On December 11 2011 13:04 Eraserhead wrote: I don't understand the use of constantly practicing this 1-base build against zerg he's doing, there is only so much you can do on 1 base.. why does he do this?
Cause you said it yourself: he is practicing it. Refining its timings, control, and adaptability. Its just ladder, he lives in a practice house, Im sure the real training is when he isnt streaming.
Yeah, it's not as if he only practices one build all the time. I figure it's pretty obvious by now that the real pros do the real practice work behind closed doors, while ladder is just a "play ground" so to speak..
On December 11 2011 13:04 Eraserhead wrote: I don't understand the use of constantly practicing this 1-base build against zerg he's doing, there is only so much you can do on 1 base.. why does he do this?
1) He's trying to make money. Shorter games = more advertisements ran.
2) He's well known for timing attacks.
3) He probably doesn't give a fuck since it is clearly obvious his ladder play looks nothing like his GSL play.
On December 12 2011 18:10 Confuse wrote: forgg sure plays a lot of commercials... lol
I don't mind. He does it between games, which is a reasonable time. No need to watch Battle.net tell us that it's searching for a game, or the loading screen.
If you guys follow his twitter, he said none of his streamed games are serious at all; not even as practice. So I find it ludicrous at those trying to analyze his strategies.
@ogsfin When you stream, are your builds serious? or are you just playing around?
ogsfin 박지수 @ @arcMSIROSSI no I just funny game for my fans
On December 13 2011 09:19 Remb wrote: If you guys follow his twitter, he said none of his streamed games are serious at all; not even as practice. So I find it ludicrous at those trying to analyze his strategies.
Is it just me or did he up his quality a lot? Looks super clear as opposed to couple days ago where it was blocky and pixelated. Could be my imagination...
haha ooh wow that last TvT... Haven't seen him do very many macro games on his stream, and jsut as I thought his macro is as insane as his micro... great control with bio multi drops/harras poking every where with sick micro while macroing and keeping his money low.
I can't wait for the next GSL season to see him actually playing the game and not just screwing around on ladder..
On December 15 2011 17:07 gogogadgetflow wrote: ezMode without even hotkeying his queens. this is fun.
u dont need to hotkey your queens especially if ur from bw. clearly fOrGG's bw off-race might be zerg so thats what hes used to
Afaik all BW pros play all races to a very high level. Increases the overall understanding of the game and also helps increase practice possibilities. Curious how many SC2 pros off-race seriously
On December 15 2011 17:07 gogogadgetflow wrote: ezMode without even hotkeying his queens. this is fun.
u dont need to hotkey your queens especially if ur from bw. clearly fOrGG's bw off-race might be zerg so thats what hes used to
Afaik all BW pros play all races to a very high level. Increases the overall understanding of the game and also helps increase practice possibilities. Curious how many SC2 pros off-race seriously
Seems like not many since so many players are streaming ladder so much and they play the main race, and I hope that when they don't stream ladder they play custom games for practice TT. ForGG play a bit zerg on ladder and Mvp is playing random on ladder. Those are the two I know. Oh yeah, LosirA plays Terran on ladder a bit too.
On December 15 2011 17:07 gogogadgetflow wrote: ezMode without even hotkeying his queens. this is fun.
u dont need to hotkey your queens especially if ur from bw. clearly fOrGG's bw off-race might be zerg so thats what hes used to
Afaik all BW pros play all races to a very high level. Increases the overall understanding of the game and also helps increase practice possibilities. Curious how many SC2 pros off-race seriously
Seems like not many since so many players are streaming ladder so much and they play the main race, and I hope that when they don't stream ladder they play custom games for practice TT. ForGG play a bit zerg on ladder and Mvp is playing random on ladder. Those are the two I know. Oh yeah, LosirA plays Terran on ladder a bit too.
Playing other races make you understand their timings better, you can see how it works from the other side, almost all of top bw players can offrace pretty well, JD Flash Bisu are very good offracers, Flash is good zerg, JD is good terran, Bisu is good at terran also (i remember the game in all-star proleague event, and Bisu played Flash and their swapped their races and no one noticed it until production team showed their FP views :D)
On December 15 2011 17:07 gogogadgetflow wrote: ezMode without even hotkeying his queens. this is fun.
u dont need to hotkey your queens especially if ur from bw. clearly fOrGG's bw off-race might be zerg so thats what hes used to
Afaik all BW pros play all races to a very high level. Increases the overall understanding of the game and also helps increase practice possibilities. Curious how many SC2 pros off-race seriously
Seems like not many since so many players are streaming ladder so much and they play the main race, and I hope that when they don't stream ladder they play custom games for practice TT. ForGG play a bit zerg on ladder and Mvp is playing random on ladder. Those are the two I know. Oh yeah, LosirA plays Terran on ladder a bit too.
Playing other races make you understand their timings better, you can see how it works from the other side, almost all of top bw players can offrace pretty well, JD Flash Bisu are very good offracers, Flash is good zerg, JD is good terran, Bisu is good at terran also (i remember the game in all-star proleague event, and Bisu played Flash and their swapped their races and no one noticed it until production team showed their FP views :D)
I know. But if you are gosu Zerg you are most of the time gosu Terran too. I mean, if you are top tier player it's not because of your race it's because of you as a player. I think it was Jaedong who said in a team8 interview that they weren't allowed to off race in Oz, or maybe it was HiyA? Either way, both are sick with T and Z.
He just played an amazing 30 minute TvT. Non stop fighting for territory on the map, was such a good game (none of that 1a deathball stuff). I'm amazed how his minerals barely ever go about 700 even on 4 base and microing his army.
Is it me or does fOrGG play like 24 hours a day. Lol, this guy is clearly one dedicated guy, he still has the BW practice regime engrained in him it seems..
On December 18 2011 16:00 RetroAspect wrote: Great stream forgg!!! and lol at the "nipponbanzai" dude in your channel haha, do you know him in real life by any chance? he is really funny!!
That guy is extremely annoying in chat, great stream, but 3 commercials after every game gets old quick.
On December 18 2011 16:00 RetroAspect wrote: Great stream forgg!!! and lol at the "nipponbanzai" dude in your channel haha, do you know him in real life by any chance? he is really funny!!
That guy is extremely annoying in chat, great stream, but 3 commercials after every game gets old quick.
The three commercials are fine, there's so much downtime in between matches anyway. I'd rather he get a lot of money, than wait without streams.
I tuned in to the stream and saw him playing Z, my heart was overjoyed (I am also z!) but he lost a ZVZ against someone from Fxo.. couldn't get the name. Back to playing T now, forgg fighting!
I dream to open his stream one day and see him play a long game. Or even a "normal" game. (and god knows how I despise the concept of "normal games") Everytime I open his stream it's cheese, bitbybit, bunkers, pulled scvs, proxy rax, 2 raxes...
On December 21 2011 14:31 MrCon wrote: I dream to open his stream one day and see him play a long game. Or even a "normal" game. (and god knows how I despise the concept of "normal games") Everytime I open his stream it's cheese, bitbybit, bunkers, pulled scvs, proxy rax, 2 raxes...
You must not open the same stream as I do then. Right now he's playing protoss.
So is he Ares? Or is ST_Bomber Ares? I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I run into replays of Ares playing and cannot figure out for the life of me who it is....
On December 21 2011 18:04 DYEAlabaster wrote: So is he Ares? Or is ST_Bomber Ares? I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I run into replays of Ares playing and cannot figure out for the life of me who it is....
Firstly clearly amazing player and enjoyable stream. However some critique/advice.
fOrGG's stream is the only stream on TL I feel the need to use adblock on, which is a shame as I prefer to support the players. However I just feel he leaves me little choice, 3 ads between games then a further 3 ads at the start of the game?
I'm not sure how many more people adblock on this stream, just saying he may profit more cutting down on the ad spam a little.
On December 25 2011 20:09 sinii wrote: Firstly clearly amazing player and enjoyable stream. However some critique/advice.
fOrGG's stream is the only stream on TL I feel the need to use adblock on, which is a shame as I prefer to support the players. However I just feel he leaves me little choice, 3 ads between games then a further 3 ads at the start of the game?
I'm not sure how many more people adblock on this stream, just saying he may profit more cutting down on the ad spam a little.
You say you want to support players, yet you use adblock for a stream of a player..
He plays highly entertaining games and insane high skill and interacts with the people in chat. Don't think its to bad to watch some commercials for that, also you can do what i do and thats have a second stream open of someone else and just swap in between. Or read TL
On December 25 2011 20:09 sinii wrote: Firstly clearly amazing player and enjoyable stream. However some critique/advice.
fOrGG's stream is the only stream on TL I feel the need to use adblock on, which is a shame as I prefer to support the players. However I just feel he leaves me little choice, 3 ads between games then a further 3 ads at the start of the game?
I'm not sure how many more people adblock on this stream, just saying he may profit more cutting down on the ad spam a little.
You say you want to support players, yet you use adblock for a stream of a player..
He plays highly entertaining games and insane high skill and interacts with the people in chat. Don't think its to bad to watch some commercials for that, also you can do what i do and thats have a second stream open of someone else and just swap in between. Or read TL
I don't want to adblock him, seriously... its just 6 adds in a row where nine times out of ten they are all the exact same ad nearly drives me nutty. Its like torture. I only bring it up because I'm sure I am not the only one who gets frustrated with this, so it may benefit him to cut it down a little?
Three ads before each game is reasonable. I would be happy with that.
mm strange i never had 6 in a row, the three is all i get. i do admit having three of the same commercials in a row is probably not the best exposure for a company haha.
On December 26 2011 11:00 Kyrillion wrote: Would anyone know where to find the picture he uses as a desktop background ? That lovely Asian garden with a bridge.
On December 26 2011 22:02 zZygote wrote: Does anyone know why he moves the MULE away from the mineral line right before it breaks down?
So he doesn't take the risks to mine what a mule can mine while losing it?
That'd be so gosu.
It's this, lots of pro Terrans do it.
If you drop on the close patches then during the final relay the mule mines its minerals but dies on the way back to the command centre effectively losing the minerals. If you pull it off before it mines the last run you don't lose anything.
This has become my favourite stream, I have learned a lot when watching his games! For example that Hellion-Banshee to mech is really strong against zerg. When I have used that build, I have won about 80% of my matches. Im not good player at all and I dont play top leagues, but still very nice to copy these builds. I guess I need to also begin to use two proxy barracks against Protoss :-)
On December 29 2011 17:11 LaaLaaLeevi wrote: This has become my favourite stream, I have learned a lot when watching his games! For example that Hellion-Banshee to mech is really strong against zerg. When I have used that build, I have won about 80% of my matches. Im not good player at all and I dont play top leagues, but still very nice to copy these builds. I guess I need to also begin to use two proxy barracks against Protoss :-)
I like the way you think. Learn the all-ins before learning how 2 do your 40minute massive games. By learning how to all-in well, you actually see when certain builds are effective, you learn how to execute a build order crisply, know how to respond to your opponents moves.
fOrGG: Why you No STREAM!?!?!!?!? having massive withdrawal here
Much more macro games now... a lot of gasless expand builds. Probably better training for the GSL. I kind of miss the old cheesy, break-your-neck builds though heh.
he just stream sniped CatZ hahahahaha :D or atleast I think so... stopped an unscouted 7 pool by cutting probes at 11 and making an 11 forge... with a stupid wall
Who goes 11forge, 11 cannon, 11gate, 11 gate, 11 cannon against an unscouted 7pool on Shakura, with his probe never once leaving his own base. All the buildings were made before he ever saw zerglings.
On January 15 2012 15:37 GhandiEAGLE wrote: RIP sc2 playerz
He's now a sc2 player though =/ hahaha
ForGG, I really like his games and his mechanics are off the charts sign me up
True, I am really amazed by ForGG everytime I see him play. His Plays are really unique. The cheeses that he also does is really good and Entertaining.
I love that forgg streams so much more than most others top tier korean pros but man you would think he would get sick of listening to the same 3 songs over and over again. Thats just mind boggling.
Great stream, great player. Really enjoying watching him play. I hope he gets a really good foreign team to pick him up soon. I would like to see him come to MLG's.
forGG is hilarious. Great player, interesting builds. Trying to learn from him and use some of his builds on NA masters ladder. Can't seem to do it quite as well.
Also, I love that bro hat he busts out every now and then. He's like yeah, I know I'm inside, but I'm gonna wear this hat while I play.
On June 16 2012 16:56 dGHaiL wrote: forGG is hilarious. Great player, interesting builds. Trying to learn from him and use some of his builds on NA masters ladder. Can't seem to do it quite as well.
Also, I love that bro hat he busts out every now and then. He's like yeah, I know I'm inside, but I'm gonna wear this hat while I play.
On May 29 2012 13:16 Chopin wrote: Why doesn't he play with health bars? Don't u guys think he would play even better?
He doesn't play with health bars because he is to used to bw where health bars weren't even an option, and no I doubt it would really make a difference.
If anyone on Millenium is watching this, please get ForGG to get his stream audio fixed. Audio doubling is a basic mistake and is kind of annoying! Other than that thanks for the constant streaming ForGG and I'm a big fan!
On May 17 2013 22:13 crbox wrote: Am I the only one that can't watch the stream? It keeps shutting down and going back up.. And I can't watch it on gamescred it links me to a fail page
That's how you run ads on gamecreds, by restarting your stream.
On May 17 2013 22:13 crbox wrote: Am I the only one that can't watch the stream? It keeps shutting down and going back up.. And I can't watch it on gamescred it links me to a fail page
That's how you run ads on gamecreds, by restarting your stream.
okay but it happens like 10 times a game, I doubt he's restarting his stream during a game.
Usually, he restart the stream between each games he plays.
On May 17 2013 22:13 crbox wrote: Am I the only one that can't watch the stream? It keeps shutting down and going back up.. And I can't watch it on gamescred it links me to a fail page
When Forgg streams he's always on the front page of gamescred. But I just try to click on the stream from Teamliquid, and for the first time it works and open directly his stream.
nvm lol I know he restarts his stream but it resets every like 2 min for me a few times during the game I think it's just my laptop's wireless lagging probably
ForGG is only streaming BW now. I guess it would be nice from administrators to put his stream in the right category (not StarCraft 2) to have more viewers.
I meant the right sidebar (Live streams). I have many friends that have edited the right sidebar to only display Starcraft BW. As a result, they do not see ForGG streaming.
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fOrGG stream here! Enjoy!
, but who cares ForGG is a beast
But yay, another great terran stream <3
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