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ProperOne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
December 09 2010 08:11 GMT
#701
Awsome music Idra and amazing games Since you like kudi and lupe you should play some Wale =D
drlame
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden574 Posts
December 09 2010 08:25 GMT
#702
On December 09 2010 14:21 d20 wrote:
IdrA: you're the first stream I've watched that I actually enjoy your background music. Do you try to play music at a certain BPM to correspond to your APM, or are you just streaming Digital Imports or something?


That would be pretty sick. I think he plays the music he enjoys to listen to though
TributeBoxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States163 Posts
December 09 2010 08:28 GMT
#703
Greg do some cheese now NOW NOW! Whats a matter are you yellow?
"Violence and corruption, seldom strangers to the human scene, appear to be increasing today."
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 09 2010 09:36 GMT
#704
guess my stream crashed, hope it wasn't too long ago
gonna leave it down for now since i think im gonna watch gsl, might put it back on late tonight KST
http://www.splitreason.com/product/1152 release the gracken tshirt now available
Tokeee
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark39 Posts
December 09 2010 12:01 GMT
#705
is there some way to watch the stream later, is it recorded any where?
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 14:51:43
December 09 2010 14:14 GMT
#706
Hey idra,

when you build a macro hatch and have 2 queens close together, you could just put them both on the same control group and V both hatches rather than having to go 6V 7V you can just go 6VV. Although i know u like to put the hatch quite far away to spread creep so i guess this doesn't apply.

Loving your stream, learning so so much. Thanks a lot for this.
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2751 Posts
December 09 2010 14:24 GMT
#707
The image is a bit dark. Maybe you can do some (gamma) correction somewhere?
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
December 09 2010 14:40 GMT
#708
Greg, why don't you commentate your games on your stream while playing?
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
tealc
Profile Joined October 2010
109 Posts
December 09 2010 15:09 GMT
#709
Mute > Muse.
gods_basement
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
December 09 2010 15:11 GMT
#710
great stream. i have a quick question though; you always win or lose the game at the first bio push. is it because you play greedy that its such an instant win or loss? or is it just how those terran builds work; that if you dont win with all your marines before the 3 minute mark is it an autoloss?

on topic, love your music and your stream. your public relations have come a long way since bw; with the stream and the commentating and the state of the game podcast, you've become quite the likable character
(TT~TT)
decaf
Profile Joined October 2010
Austria1797 Posts
December 09 2010 15:13 GMT
#711
Thanks for streaming again :D Good to see you came thru your mini flu.
Love your stream, keep it up!
Crichton
Profile Joined September 2010
Japan196 Posts
December 09 2010 15:16 GMT
#712
IdrA just tore through the #3 ranked player in the world (by points—he's 17th on the Korean top 200), a member of SlayerSBoxeR's team called SlayerS_Jjapseungwoo (슬레이어스짭승우). I mean just tore through him. The guy had a horrible Viking/Banshee build, and BM'd IdrA in chat right before doing a fail attack. I hope IdrA sends the replay to one of the casters just to show how bad a lot of these 'top' Terrans really are.
Protoss is the easy race, but I'm sticking with it.
KimchiBreath
Profile Joined August 2010
31 Posts
December 09 2010 15:47 GMT
#713
Hi Greg,

I'd like to give a brief introduction of myself. Without disclosing any personal details, I would like to point out that I'm a final year law student in one of the top Australian law schools. I have secured a few internships in the past two years and will be entering one the top firms in Australia in 2012.

The reason I point this out is to separate myself from the general demographic population on this site consisting of adolescents and teenagers who are both immature and quick to judge. I see myself as a well rounded individual.

Similarly to you, I find it unnecessary to moderate my language and my wording to attempt to be modest. The fact is that what you achieve means a lot more than how many faces you can make smile. As we both know, the truth can often hurt.

To give you a little perspective, I am not a good Starcraft II player. I've played a total of 200 games over the last few weeks. I have not learnt the proper hot keys or any strategies. I did however manage to get to platinum with about a 60% win ratio over a span of two days. The purpose of my communication with you is not to discuss aspects of the game but to give some constructive criticisms of your attitude and work ethic. What I say henceforth may not be useful but I hope it does give some further perspective to your current training regime.

First of all, I'd like to give my opinion in that I do not think that you should be coaching. This distracts from your training and will affect your time allocation for personal development. While there is some correlation between teaching others and self realization of mistakes, the benefit of doing so is greatly outweighed by the fact you are teaching material that you have already consolidated. This will subconsciously tend to prevent you from challenging your own build orders, and understanding of the game.

My train of thought derives from the fact that a good teacher generally must have a uncontested view that what he is teaching is correct. Given the perpetual changes in the dynamics of the game, I think having this view will tend to prevent you from improving. The extra time can be used for more useful things such as studying new concepts, replays and personal reflection. Keep in mind how none of the coaches of any proteams ever take dual roles and no coach is ever a good player. In my opinion, you should not be continuing coaching despite the monetary rewards involved.

I take the same view in terms of casting. I personally enjoy your commentary more than any other of your fans. I find them one of the most insightful things that I can learn other than playing the game. However, even more than hearing you commentate, I want to see you win the next GSL. Casting will give away your mentality of thinking, opening up the space for potential opponents with access to a translator to pick away at your tactics. I advise against it.

More importantly though Greg, I feel that you need a competent coach that can constantly discuss build orders and timings with you. Part of your failure in Starcraft 1, along with Ret and even Chinese players like Luo Xian (Legend), was that within the progaming houses, there were language barriers. However, that in itself would not have been bad, if not for the prejudicial views that Koreans hold of foreigners. This doesn't come as a surprise considering that Koreans are the most xenophobic people in the world. They are just very good at hiding it. To that extent, I can fully understand why you choose not to share tactics with other Korean gamers.

Many foreigners so far are too naive or are too insecure to accept this as a reality. I remember that when Luo Xian was playing for SKT T1, he often beat Stork, Bisu, Boxer in games. He had a particularly good in house win ratio against Fantasy in practice games. In an interview, he raised that he used to own Fantasy in almost every game. Despite this, the reason he gave of leaving the scene was that the Korean coaches helped players like Fantasy reach their potential by nurturing them, giving them consistent advice and pointing out tiny details and weaknesses in their game.

LX felt neglected and especially frustrated that, whether it was because he was a foreigner or whether it was because he couldn't speak the language, he received none of that treatment and in return found there to be no need to stay in the country.

Back to the point, I think the reason why Starcraft 1 progamers succeeded to some extent was due to the help of coaching staff. A person has only so much time to both practice and produce working build orders. Having a coach allowed the player to focus on executing the mechanics and the intricate timings that are necessary. The coach would then take on the role of pointing out the flaws of the player that may not be known to the player themselves. It was also for the coach to suggest possible new surprise builds and outstanding situations that may occur. Absent of a coach, a player needs to prorate their time more strictly. This detracts overall from the quality of the training.

If we look at what history has taught us, we will see that many of the greatest achievers thrive in specialisation. Those with gifts in the field of science, engineering, law and medicine, or sports like fencing, chess, badminton, often know very little other than what they do. Those at the very apex of their chosen profession, sacrifice a great deal of their personal or academic life in pursuit of specializing in their chosen fields. Geniuses are almost always obsessive, judges often have no life other than law, and scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm. You need to ask yourself Greg, what you've done to reach the 'apex' of your profession. Also ask yourself whether coaching or making streams is really going to make you win the next GSL.

As much as you might hate it, perhaps it's time to force yourself to create an extremely strict practice schedule and employ someone who you think would qualify as a competent coach. Otherwise, allocate time in the week to make a particular schedule. As much as you hate training back in the CJ house, I believe there must be some merit in practicing relentlessly the same build over and over again. In one of Nestea's interview (yes I know you don't look fondly on Nestea), he said he practiced about a hundred over games of the same build to prepare. In many sports like badminton and snooker, the same stroke is often practiced hundreds of times to promote consistency.

I enjoy watching your games and I hope you get far Greg. I hope any of these criticisms with help with your development in the game. Perhaps you, Ret, Jinro and a Protoss of your choice can form a trust between yourselves so as to improve without holding anything back. Understandably, you enjoy the publicity you are now receiving. However try not to let that get to you too much. Think only of winning and reward the fans with lip service when you take home the GSL. Good luck Idra, and I'll be continuing to support you.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 15:50:50
December 09 2010 15:48 GMT
#714
In the games vs terran you always seem to end up with a surplus of minerals. Might be worth it dropping a hatch and just produce zerglings. The matches tend to end up in a big engagement where you attack into marines/tanks or marines/marauders and its a tough spot. The extra zerglings might take you over the top?
DGenerate
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada140 Posts
December 09 2010 15:54 GMT
#715
It's great so see you play Greg. You should do that more often. Thank you!
nkr
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden5451 Posts
December 09 2010 15:59 GMT
#716
On December 10 2010 00:47 KimchiBreath wrote:
Hi Greg,

I'd like to give a brief introduction of myself. Without disclosing any personal details, I would like to point out that I'm a final year law student in one of the top Australian law schools. I have secured a few internships in the past two years and will be entering one the top firms in Australia in 2012.

The reason I point this out is to separate myself from the general demographic population on this site consisting of adolescents and teenagers who are both immature and quick to judge. I see myself as a well rounded individual.

Similarly to you, I find it unnecessary to moderate my language and my wording to attempt to be modest. The fact is that what you achieve means a lot more than how many faces you can make smile. As we both know, the truth can often hurt.

To give you a little perspective, I am not a good Starcraft II player. I've played a total of 200 games over the last few weeks. I have not learnt the proper hot keys or any strategies. I did however manage to get to platinum with about a 60% win ratio over a span of two days. The purpose of my communication with you is not to discuss aspects of the game but to give some constructive criticisms of your attitude and work ethic. What I say henceforth may not be useful but I hope it does give some further perspective to your current training regime.

First of all, I'd like to give my opinion in that I do not think that you should be coaching. This distracts from your training and will affect your time allocation for personal development. While there is some correlation between teaching others and self realization of mistakes, the benefit of doing so is greatly outweighed by the fact you are teaching material that you have already consolidated. This will subconsciously tend to prevent you from challenging your own build orders, and understanding of the game.

My train of thought derives from the fact that a good teacher generally must have a uncontested view that what he is teaching is correct. Given the perpetual changes in the dynamics of the game, I think having this view will tend to prevent you from improving. The extra time can be used for more useful things such as studying new concepts, replays and personal reflection. Keep in mind how none of the coaches of any proteams ever take dual roles and no coach is ever a good player. In my opinion, you should not be continuing coaching despite the monetary rewards involved.

I take the same view in terms of casting. I personally enjoy your commentary more than any other of your fans. I find them one of the most insightful things that I can learn other than playing the game. However, even more than hearing you commentate, I want to see you win the next GSL. Casting will give away your mentality of thinking, opening up the space for potential opponents with access to a translator to pick away at your tactics. I advise against it.

More importantly though Greg, I feel that you need a competent coach that can constantly discuss build orders and timings with you. Part of your failure in Starcraft 1, along with Ret and even Chinese players like Luo Xian (Legend), was that within the progaming houses, there were language barriers. However, that in itself would not have been bad, if not for the prejudicial views that Koreans hold of foreigners. This doesn't come as a surprise considering that Koreans are the most xenophobic people in the world. They are just very good at hiding it. To that extent, I can fully understand why you choose not to share tactics with other Korean gamers.

Many foreigners so far are too naive or are too insecure to accept this as a reality. I remember that when Luo Xian was playing for SKT T1, he often beat Stork, Bisu, Boxer in games. He had a particularly good in house win ratio against Fantasy in practice games. In an interview, he raised that he used to own Fantasy in almost every game. Despite this, the reason he gave of leaving the scene was that the Korean coaches helped players like Fantasy reach their potential by nurturing them, giving them consistent advice and pointing out tiny details and weaknesses in their game.

LX felt neglected and especially frustrated that, whether it was because he was a foreigner or whether it was because he couldn't speak the language, he received none of that treatment and in return found there to be no need to stay in the country.

Back to the point, I think the reason why Starcraft 1 progamers succeeded to some extent was due to the help of coaching staff. A person has only so much time to both practice and produce working build orders. Having a coach allowed the player to focus on executing the mechanics and the intricate timings that are necessary. The coach would then take on the role of pointing out the flaws of the player that may not be known to the player themselves. It was also for the coach to suggest possible new surprise builds and outstanding situations that may occur. Absent of a coach, a player needs to prorate their time more strictly. This detracts overall from the quality of the training.

If we look at what history has taught us, we will see that many of the greatest achievers thrive in specialisation. Those with gifts in the field of science, engineering, law and medicine, or sports like fencing, chess, badminton, often know very little other than what they do. Those at the very apex of their chosen profession, sacrifice a great deal of their personal or academic life in pursuit of specializing in their chosen fields. Geniuses are almost always obsessive, judges often have no life other than law, and scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm. You need to ask yourself Greg, what you've done to reach the 'apex' of your profession. Also ask yourself whether coaching or making streams is really going to make you win the next GSL.

As much as you might hate it, perhaps it's time to force yourself to create an extremely strict practice schedule and employ someone who you think would qualify as a competent coach. Otherwise, allocate time in the week to make a particular schedule. As much as you hate training back in the CJ house, I believe there must be some merit in practicing relentlessly the same build over and over again. In one of Nestea's interview (yes I know you don't look fondly on Nestea), he said he practiced about a hundred over games of the same build to prepare. In many sports like badminton and snooker, the same stroke is often practiced hundreds of times to promote consistency.

I enjoy watching your games and I hope you get far Greg. I hope any of these criticisms with help with your development in the game. Perhaps you, Ret, Jinro and a Protoss of your choice can form a trust between yourselves so as to improve without holding anything back. Understandably, you enjoy the publicity you are now receiving. However try not to let that get to you too much. Think only of winning and reward the fans with lip service when you take home the GSL. Good luck Idra, and I'll be continuing to support you.


hahaha
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Ornithorynquez
Profile Joined August 2009
430 Posts
December 09 2010 16:03 GMT
#717
Ho, hi pat !

Btw that's fucking hilarious how every ladder game is the story of a terran doing scv all-in :-(
I have to return some videotapes.
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
December 09 2010 16:07 GMT
#718
Hi there IdrA, what was the second latest song you played today before going offline? Thanks in advance.
TPW Member | My Maps @ TL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171486 | Search 'dezi' at EU
safjx
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom51 Posts
December 09 2010 16:10 GMT
#719
I finally caught your stream online and it was a joy to watch you play. I'm not a good player, but things like seeing your mouse movements and what position on the map you're seeing at what time is really helpful, at least to me.

Unfortunately I saw about 4 games in a row consisting of marine, marine + tank, and then 2 marine+SCV rushes, that's just gotta suck, especially at that level. I see what you mean when you say that the players on the ladder are very cheesy, still the stream is very helpful; thanks a lot for doing this!

On December 10 2010 00:59 nkr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2010 00:47 KimchiBreath wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Hi Greg,

I'd like to give a brief introduction of myself. Without disclosing any personal details, I would like to point out that I'm a final year law student in one of the top Australian law schools. I have secured a few internships in the past two years and will be entering one the top firms in Australia in 2012.

The reason I point this out is to separate myself from the general demographic population on this site consisting of adolescents and teenagers who are both immature and quick to judge. I see myself as a well rounded individual.

Similarly to you, I find it unnecessary to moderate my language and my wording to attempt to be modest. The fact is that what you achieve means a lot more than how many faces you can make smile. As we both know, the truth can often hurt.

To give you a little perspective, I am not a good Starcraft II player. I've played a total of 200 games over the last few weeks. I have not learnt the proper hot keys or any strategies. I did however manage to get to platinum with about a 60% win ratio over a span of two days. The purpose of my communication with you is not to discuss aspects of the game but to give some constructive criticisms of your attitude and work ethic. What I say henceforth may not be useful but I hope it does give some further perspective to your current training regime.

First of all, I'd like to give my opinion in that I do not think that you should be coaching. This distracts from your training and will affect your time allocation for personal development. While there is some correlation between teaching others and self realization of mistakes, the benefit of doing so is greatly outweighed by the fact you are teaching material that you have already consolidated. This will subconsciously tend to prevent you from challenging your own build orders, and understanding of the game.

My train of thought derives from the fact that a good teacher generally must have a uncontested view that what he is teaching is correct. Given the perpetual changes in the dynamics of the game, I think having this view will tend to prevent you from improving. The extra time can be used for more useful things such as studying new concepts, replays and personal reflection. Keep in mind how none of the coaches of any proteams ever take dual roles and no coach is ever a good player. In my opinion, you should not be continuing coaching despite the monetary rewards involved.

I take the same view in terms of casting. I personally enjoy your commentary more than any other of your fans. I find them one of the most insightful things that I can learn other than playing the game. However, even more than hearing you commentate, I want to see you win the next GSL. Casting will give away your mentality of thinking, opening up the space for potential opponents with access to a translator to pick away at your tactics. I advise against it.

More importantly though Greg, I feel that you need a competent coach that can constantly discuss build orders and timings with you. Part of your failure in Starcraft 1, along with Ret and even Chinese players like Luo Xian (Legend), was that within the progaming houses, there were language barriers. However, that in itself would not have been bad, if not for the prejudicial views that Koreans hold of foreigners. This doesn't come as a surprise considering that Koreans are the most xenophobic people in the world. They are just very good at hiding it. To that extent, I can fully understand why you choose not to share tactics with other Korean gamers.

Many foreigners so far are too naive or are too insecure to accept this as a reality. I remember that when Luo Xian was playing for SKT T1, he often beat Stork, Bisu, Boxer in games. He had a particularly good in house win ratio against Fantasy in practice games. In an interview, he raised that he used to own Fantasy in almost every game. Despite this, the reason he gave of leaving the scene was that the Korean coaches helped players like Fantasy reach their potential by nurturing them, giving them consistent advice and pointing out tiny details and weaknesses in their game.

LX felt neglected and especially frustrated that, whether it was because he was a foreigner or whether it was because he couldn't speak the language, he received none of that treatment and in return found there to be no need to stay in the country.

Back to the point, I think the reason why Starcraft 1 progamers succeeded to some extent was due to the help of coaching staff. A person has only so much time to both practice and produce working build orders. Having a coach allowed the player to focus on executing the mechanics and the intricate timings that are necessary. The coach would then take on the role of pointing out the flaws of the player that may not be known to the player themselves. It was also for the coach to suggest possible new surprise builds and outstanding situations that may occur. Absent of a coach, a player needs to prorate their time more strictly. This detracts overall from the quality of the training.

If we look at what history has taught us, we will see that many of the greatest achievers thrive in specialisation. Those with gifts in the field of science, engineering, law and medicine, or sports like fencing, chess, badminton, often know very little other than what they do. Those at the very apex of their chosen profession, sacrifice a great deal of their personal or academic life in pursuit of specializing in their chosen fields. Geniuses are almost always obsessive, judges often have no life other than law, and scientists are often inarticulate in expressing thought coherently other than in mathematical algorithm. You need to ask yourself Greg, what you've done to reach the 'apex' of your profession. Also ask yourself whether coaching or making streams is really going to make you win the next GSL.

As much as you might hate it, perhaps it's time to force yourself to create an extremely strict practice schedule and employ someone who you think would qualify as a competent coach. Otherwise, allocate time in the week to make a particular schedule. As much as you hate training back in the CJ house, I believe there must be some merit in practicing relentlessly the same build over and over again. In one of Nestea's interview (yes I know you don't look fondly on Nestea), he said he practiced about a hundred over games of the same build to prepare. In many sports like badminton and snooker, the same stroke is often practiced hundreds of times to promote consistency.

I enjoy watching your games and I hope you get far Greg. I hope any of these criticisms with help with your development in the game. Perhaps you, Ret, Jinro and a Protoss of your choice can form a trust between yourselves so as to improve without holding anything back. Understandably, you enjoy the publicity you are now receiving. However try not to let that get to you too much. Think only of winning and reward the fans with lip service when you take home the GSL. Good luck Idra, and I'll be continuing to support you.


hahaha


Thanks for your post, it was invaluable. Seriously.
NearPerfection
Profile Joined October 2010
232 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-09 16:10:54
December 09 2010 16:10 GMT
#720
Anyone know what music was playing when Idra got lamed by marine/bunker?
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