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Spain vs France
Kick off 18:45 GMT (+00:00) from Donbass Arena, Donetsk, Ukraine Spain Squad & Team News + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://img.skysports.com/football/badges/64/1066.png) 1 GK Iker Casillas (c) - Real Madrid 2 DF Raúl Albiol - Madrid 3 DF Gerard Piqué - Barcelona 4 MF Javi Martínez - Athletic Bilbao 5 DF Juanfran Torres - Atlético Madrid 6 MF Andrés Iniesta - Barcelona 7 FW Pedro Rodríguez - Barcelona 8 MF Xavi Hernández - Barcelona 9 FW Fernando Torres - Chelsea 10 MF Cesc Fàbregas - Barcelona 11 FW Álvaro Negredo - Sevilla 12 GK Víctor Valdés - Barcelona 13 MF Juan Mata - Chelsea 14 MF Xabi Alonso - Real Madrid 15 DF Sergio Ramos - Real Madrid 16 MF Sergio Busquets - Barcelona 17 DF Álvaro Arbeloa - Real Madrid 18 DF Jordi Alba - Valencia 19 FW Fernando Llorente - Athletic Bilbao 20 MF Santi Cazorla - Málaga 21 MF David Silva - Manchester City 22 MF Jesús Navas - Sevilla 23 GK Pepe Reina - Liverpool Coach: Vicente del Bosque Vicente del Bosque named a squad to play in a set of warm-up matches on 15 May 2012, but it did not include any Barcelona, Athletic Bilbao, or Chelsea players as the two Spanish sides were preparing for the Copa del Rey final on 25 May, while Chelsea were to take on Bayern Munich in the Champions League final on 19 May. On 21 May 2012, del Bosque called-up Chelsea players Fernando Torres and Juan Mata for the friendly matches. On 27 May, del Bosque gave the final squad list, complete with Barcelona and Athletic Bilbao players. ![[image loading]](http://img.skysports.com/football/badges/64/1078.png) 1 GK Hugo Lloris (c) - Lyon 2 DF Mathieu Debuchy - Lille 3 DF Patrice Evra - Manchester United 4 DF Adil Rami - Valencia 5 DF Philippe Mexès - Milan 6 MF Yohan Cabaye - Newcastle United 7 MF Franck Ribéry - Bayern Munich 8 FW Mathieu Valbuena - Marseille 9 FW Olivier Giroud - Montpellier 10 FW Karim Benzema - Madrid 11 FW Samir Nasri - Manchester City 12 MF Blaise Matuidi - Paris Saint-Germain 13 DF Anthony Réveillère -Lyon 14 FW Jérémy Ménez - Paris Saint-Germain 15 MF Florent Malouda - Chelsea 16 GK Steve Mandanda - Marseille 17 MF Yann M'Vila - Rennes 18 MF Alou Diarra - Marseille 19 MF Marvin Martin - Sochaux 20 FW Hatem Ben Arfa - Newcastle United 21 DF Laurent Koscielny - Arsenal 22 DF Gaël Clichy - Manchester City 23 GK Cédric Carrasso - Bordeaux Coach: Laurent Blanc Blanc named his first shortlist on 9 May 2012, consisting of 12 players playing abroad. On 15 May 2012 second shortlist of 15 France-based players was announced, while on the same day Tottenham defender Younès Kaboul was ruled out of the tournament with a knee injury, leaving Blanc with a 26-man squad. On 29 May 2012, Blanc announced his final 23-man squad. Nice link above if you can't find a stream or just want a break down of what happend and whats what about the game! Spain Starting 11
Formation: 4-6-0 (4-3-3-)
Casillas(GK) (C)
Arbeloa
Piqué
Sergio Ramos
Jordi Alba
Busquets
Xavi Hernández
Xabi Alonso
Iniesta
Fàbregas
Silva
France Starting 11
Formation: 4-5-1
Lloris(GK) (C)
Réveillère
Rami
Koscielny
Clichy
M'Vila (Defensive Mid)
Cabaye (Centre Mid)
Malouda (Centre Mid)
Debuchy (Winger)
Ribéry (Winger)
Benzema
Timeline of Events: Spain 2-0 France
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Alonso 90+1 min Pen
Poll: Predictions!Spain Win! (41) 71% France Win! (17) 29% 58 total votes Your vote: Predictions! (Vote): Spain Win!
(Vote): France Win!
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I hope the French team can put up some resistance!
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Well now that Mexes has been suspended, France's chances have improved significantly!
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Spain, unless Spain have major trouble scoring.
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If france plays like they did vs Sweden Spain should have this ezpz :<
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Either 2-1 for France or 3-0 for Spain...
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I sure hope that Spain wins, since I wanna watch GER-SPA. I think that will be a really good match.
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Will have to wait for finals to see Germany-Spain, I could see this going either way though today
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I'm expecting a not very exciting game with very few chances on both sides and lots of ball possession for Spain. Spain will score a goal eventually and will take it 1-0. Maybe France even makes it into the penalty shootout.
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If France pulls their shit together we might have a pretty close game on our hands. More likely though is a fairly confident victory for Spain. Predicting 2-0.
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I'm hoping for an exciting game, and if not, then I hope it's a tie and it goes to penalties.
Go Spain, I'm really rooting for them only because I'm a fan of Casillas  hoping to see some epic keeper sense and crazy saves from him. My fave team in this is Portugal because of Cristiano Ronaldo lol, but Spain comes second because of Casillas, allegiance lying with players ftw
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Even though Ribery deserves a succes, spain versus germany finals are too epic to miss. Ergo, france has to lose.
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GOGO France. Dont wanna play Spain in the finals!
on a realistic note, it will be a 3-1 for spain
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hope the french will win this though its highly unlikely. I'm in St. Tropez during the final and hope to watch a France vs. Germany final with my french friends :D Spain vs. Ger is overrated anyway - they were very boring to watch from an objective standpoint. Barely any chances on both sides, alot of ball possession play by both teams, solid defence and Spain wins with a 1:0 as usual.
Allez les bleus!!
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Unless France falls apart, this is going to be another game of Spain having > 700 passes, creating 2-3 chances and netting one - all the while France will run, run, run and hope to score on a counter. Which I can't see them do, judging from the two matches I've watched (missed Ukraine). 1-0 for Spain
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I hope France wins, but realistic is a Spain win.
Still France can take on Spain on a good day. Lets see if today is a good day.
My guess: 2-0 for Spain
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Yeah France can def take it, but it remains unlikely. Will be cheering on them at 3am anyway.
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Spain are favorites obv, hopefully france doesn't play to drag it to penalties.
I see france winning if they score first from a corner or something
Cant wait for italy to destroy england oo
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Spain was quite bad the last game and if they end up on that level it could definatelly be a close game. If they bring their A game though it will probably be a pretty comfortable win. I'm going to say 3-2 Spain where both teams score on the few chances they get.
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Hmm, I think spain will win in this.
I'd like to see a spain-germany final.
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I'm not too sure about this game. Spain looks not as dominating as they used to imho. France hasn't played up to their potential, but I think they will do so today. Hoping for a close and exciting game.
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Meh, I won't get my hopes up for this match. The French team still has a media shitstorm to phase out which will undoubtably hamper their morale. There's also the fact that nothing has really changed in terms of team management since the world cup. There's raw talent, but it never translates to goals.
Who knows, though, maybe Spain will have a flu epidemic and they'll forfeit the match.
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Spain has this. France will put up a fight but with Spain's midfield, I cant see France taking this. SPAIN!!!!!
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Hmm, just read some stats, spain besides the last couple years in which they are rampaging they have never won the french in an official game, not even once, lol.
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1-1 after 90 minutes
3-1 spain after 120.
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On June 24 2012 01:36 Steveling wrote:
Hmm, just read some stats, spain besides the last couple years in which they are rampaging they have never won the french in an official game, not even once, lol.
They said something similar about Sweden.
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ok, I bet 30€ on Spain winning it within the regular time. Go Spain, don't ya disappoint me! ^. ^)=
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france has the stats on their side, but spain just seems a lot stronger. Their performance against sweden was poor. But who knows with players like nasri ribery benzema everything is possible, although i highly doubt that france will win this. If they do win this this might be the biggest upset after greece vs russia haha
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On June 24 2012 01:36 Steveling wrote:
Hmm, just read some stats, spain besides the last couple years in which they are rampaging they have never won the french in an official game, not even once, lol.
Well the French have always had the better team when they faced off against Spain. When France beat Spain in the Euro 1984 Final, Platini was on ridiculous form and Zidane pulled out masterful performances against them in Euro 2000 and in the World Cup in 2006.
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Charlie Sheens House51453 Posts
DA FUCK
With the teams, 4-6-0 vs 4-5-1 no Nasri? Torres? xD
Risking a first game for a RB not that well known for France?
Fabregas as main striker again.
French not having Nasri? Opting for a midfield of M'villa Malouda and Cabaye?
Wow weird game this will be.
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ALRIGHT FRANCE, I THINK YOU CAN DO THIS!
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easy win for spain... but i dont think this will be a fun game to watch.
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On June 24 2012 02:46 Pandemona wrote:
DA FUCK
With the teams, 4-6-0 vs 4-5-1 no Nasri? Torres? xD
Risking a first game for a RB not that well known for France?
Fabregas as main striker again.
French not having Nasri? Opting for a midfield of M'villa Malouda and Cabaye?
Wow weird game this will be.
Saw some reports that Nasri started a fight in training and is benched because of that. Would be sad if the french implode again cause of internal trouble :<
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On June 24 2012 02:46 Pandemona wrote:
DA FUCK
With the teams, 4-6-0 vs 4-5-1 no Nasri? Torres? xD
Risking a first game for a RB not that well known for France?
Fabregas as main striker again.
French not having Nasri? Opting for a midfield of M'villa Malouda and Cabaye?
Wow weird game this will be.
Well Debuchy playing is playing alongside Réveillère so one of them will get pushed up from RB. Nasri has been at the heart of alot of controversy within the French squad recently, and it seems that many of the players are not happy with the fact that he holds onto the ball for too long.
Also, Blanc seems to be going for a more defensive set-up and Nasri wouldn't track back as well.
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Judging from the lineups, this game is going to be even more boring than I expected 
Go France, make me eat my words
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I'm actually favouring france here.
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tbh i think that spain will score 2-0(or 3-0), but i have always a little hope for my country
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gogo frenchies 
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Even though Ribery hasn't had the best tournament so far, French attacking hopes will have to revolve around him going at Arbeloa on the break with his pace.
The team is full of tricky and pacy players, but they don't have anyone who can dictate and control play (whether from deep or from the front). The French will always struggle to keep possession against the Spanish so will have to set themselves up defensively. If France could ever find another great No. 10, they would have another great side.
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I'm surprised Blanc kept Nasri on the bench, also a bit of the same with Torres but it's more likely. This is going to be interesting, I think France will try to win the midfield against Spain... tough job, Spain will be Spain and no matter the pressure France applies they will control, toughly but they will.
Spain wins 2-1 in the full 90 minutes.
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On June 24 2012 03:42 TemplarCo. wrote:
I'm surprised Blanc kept Nasri on the bench, also a bit of the same with Torres but it's more likely. This is going to be interesting, I think France will try to win the midfield against Spain... tough job, Spain will be Spain and no matter the pressure France applies they will control, toughly but they will.
Spain wins 2-1 in the full 90 minutes.
France had trouble after the Sweden game. Supposedly, Nasri and Diarra got into a fight, and Ben Arfa threatened to leave the team after being substituted.
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On June 24 2012 03:42 TemplarCo. wrote:
I'm surprised Blanc kept Nasri on the bench, also a bit of the same with Torres but it's more likely. This is going to be interesting, I think France will try to win the midfield against Spain... tough job, Spain will be Spain and no matter the pressure France applies they will control, toughly but they will.
Spain wins 2-1 in the full 90 minutes.
There is no chance that the French will win the midfield with a trio of M'Vila, Cabaye, Malouda. They are going to have to play for the breaks.
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adidas cheese all in, be aware!
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4 players on benzema instant, rofl
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On June 24 2012 03:44 DragoonTT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 03:42 TemplarCo. wrote:
I'm surprised Blanc kept Nasri on the bench, also a bit of the same with Torres but it's more likely. This is going to be interesting, I think France will try to win the midfield against Spain... tough job, Spain will be Spain and no matter the pressure France applies they will control, toughly but they will.
Spain wins 2-1 in the full 90 minutes. France had trouble after the Sweden game. Supposedly, Nasri and Diarra got into a fight, and Ben Arfa threatened to leave the team after being substituted.
O.O Didn't know that, wow.
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Barca players doing what they do best
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United Kingdom38152 Posts
Diving Spaniards at it already. No surprises there
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On June 24 2012 03:50 DragoonTT wrote:
Nice dive Cesc.
Clichy tripped him, albeit accidentally.
Guys, at least watch the replay before slagging players off. I know Fabregas has dived here and there before, but Clichy caught his heels this time. It was accidental, but it certainly wasn't a dive.
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Cheeky effort from Alonso hehe.
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On June 24 2012 03:52 Telcontar wrote:Clichy tripped him, albeit accidentally. Guys, at least watch the replay before slagging players off. I know Fabregas has dived here and there before, but Clichy caught his heels this time. It was accidental, but it certainly wasn't a dive.
I like this ref though, hes making them get on with it.
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On June 24 2012 03:52 Telcontar wrote:Clichy tripped him, albeit accidentally. Guys, at least watch the replay before slagging players off. I know Fabregas has dived here and there before, but Clichy caught his heels this time. It was accidental, but it certainly wasn't a dive.
And that was penalty.
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Both the contact to his shirt and his heels was absolutely minor. A dive is not falling down without influence only, it's also exaggerating such a minuscule contact to get a free kick/penalty, and he did just that.
On a side note, Pique not looking to safe today - there may be hope for France.
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so far its looking like it will be Spain 2-0
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Loved how the ref just started down Malouda in an attempt to get him up.
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On June 24 2012 03:55 DragoonTT wrote:
Both the contact to his shirt and his heels was absolutely minor. A dive is not falling down without influence only, it's also exaggerating such a minuscule contact to get a free kick/penalty, and he did just that.
On a side note, Pique not looking to safe today - there may be hope for France.
So the french player dived too, ok man.
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On June 24 2012 03:55 DragoonTT wrote:
Both the contact to his shirt and his heels was absolutely minor. A dive is not falling down without influence only, it's also exaggerating such a minuscule contact to get a free kick/penalty, and he did just that.
On a side note, Pique not looking to safe today - there may be hope for France.
Never been clipped on your heels have you ? It doesnt take much. I Dont think he dived but he wasnt going to get a pen for something like that it was pretty minor but enough to make you lose your balance unless you want to stumble across the pitch trying to stay on your feet, which well nobody does..
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Benzema through-out the tournament has been placed in a Mario Gomez like position but has got more assists than goals.
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On June 24 2012 04:00 TemplarCo. wrote:
Benzema through-out the tournament has been placed in a Mario Gomez like position but has got more assists than goals.
That's because he has been relatively starved of service and has therefore dropped deeper and deeper in games.
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On June 24 2012 04:01 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:00 TemplarCo. wrote:
Benzema through-out the tournament has been placed in a Mario Gomez like position but has got more assists than goals. That's because he has been relatively starved of service and has therefore dropped deeper and deeper in games.
Well I kind of agree with that, but he is dropping more than he should. I was hoping he'd gamble more and get into scoring positions when they do have the ball in dangerous areas because he really has seemed absent. Lets see how he does this game maybe Jose sent him a memo.
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On June 24 2012 03:55 DragoonTT wrote:
Both the contact to his shirt and his heels was absolutely minor. A dive is not falling down without influence only, it's also exaggerating such a minuscule contact to get a free kick/penalty, and he did just that.
On a side note, Pique not looking to safe today - there may be hope for France.
You clearly haven't been clipped on the heels whilst running at speed.
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That was a nice play. Finally got Jordi Alba to break through
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GOALL SPAIN!!!! YEEAAHHHH!!!
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AWWWWWWWW YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Very good goal! Now the game really begins.
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Way to make your 100th appearance.
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(((((
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Well worked goal by Spain there - impressive from Jordi Alba.
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Well this looks like it will be another walkover just like the last 2 QFs.
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Charlie Sheens House51453 Posts
Great header, well done Xabi happy for u :D
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France is hopeless... I hope tomorrow's game delivers.
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C'mon Spain go!! .
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Arbeloa trying to break the world record for offsides in a single game by a rightback. Watch out Dani Alvez.
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Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol
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This is the worst possible start for France. They trot out 7 defensive MF (WTF!?!?!) and concede an early goal. Shameful lineup by Blanc and they deserve to lose this just for that.
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On June 24 2012 04:13 Telcontar wrote:
Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol
And better yet the opposing teams have been reluctant to mark him, looks quite the black sheep haha.
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France is playing pathetic football. They have so much talent, but with or without the ball they are just having a sad sad show here.
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On June 24 2012 04:15 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:13 Telcontar wrote:
Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol And better yet the opposing teams have been reluctant to mark him, looks quite the black sheep haha.
Yeah, really starting to feel for him everytime I see him bomb forward.
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ROFL Ribery's shirt is ripped! Those stupid Nike holes sure are useful
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On June 24 2012 04:15 Pantagruel wrote:
This is the worst possible start for France. They trot out 7 defensive MF (WTF!?!?!) and concede an early goal. Shameful lineup by Blanc and they deserve to lose this just for that.
What else could Blanc do? Taking the Spanish on is almost suicidal (maybe Germany could take them on proactively). Everyone else has to play reactively.
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On June 24 2012 04:16 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:15 Rebs wrote:On June 24 2012 04:13 Telcontar wrote:
Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol And better yet the opposing teams have been reluctant to mark him, looks quite the black sheep haha. Yeah, really starting to feel for him everytime I see him bomb forward.
He's shit at offensive play when you keep losing the ball your teammates will start to skip you..
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On June 24 2012 04:19 RvB wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:16 Telcontar wrote:On June 24 2012 04:15 Rebs wrote:On June 24 2012 04:13 Telcontar wrote:
Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol And better yet the opposing teams have been reluctant to mark him, looks quite the black sheep haha. Yeah, really starting to feel for him everytime I see him bomb forward. He's shit at offensive play when you keep losing the ball your teammates will start to skip you..
Still, he has plenty of space - Spain's left side faces two defenders (Debuchy, Reveillere) while their right side only has to deal with Clichy, who gets very little support from both Ribery and Malouda. Even if he's a little weaker technically, he can still draw out one of the central defenders if he teams up with David Silva.
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On June 24 2012 04:16 Acrofales wrote:
France is playing pathetic football. They have so much talent, but with or without the ball they are just having a sad sad show here.
Lol. I say this and France starts to play
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Why is Malouda playing anyway?
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poor ribery
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Ribery is too good for intact clothes. lol
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On June 24 2012 04:21 DragoonTT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:19 RvB wrote:On June 24 2012 04:16 Telcontar wrote:On June 24 2012 04:15 Rebs wrote:On June 24 2012 04:13 Telcontar wrote:
Arbeloa has made some decent runs on the far side this tournament, but his teammates have always seemed reluctant to use him. I feel kind of sorry for him. lol And better yet the opposing teams have been reluctant to mark him, looks quite the black sheep haha. Yeah, really starting to feel for him everytime I see him bomb forward. He's shit at offensive play when you keep losing the ball your teammates will start to skip you.. Still, he has plenty of space - Spain's left side faces two defenders (Debuchy, Reveillere) while their right side only has to deal with Clichy, who gets very little support from both Ribery and Malouda. Even if he's a little weaker technically, he can still draw out one of the central defenders if he teams up with David Silva.
Why cover someone who doesn't do anything with the ball except giving it back though
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On June 24 2012 04:22 Telcontar wrote:
Why is Malouda playing anyway?
Diarra, Nasri and Ben Arfa got into trouble after the Sweden game. Diarra and Nasri started a fight in the cabin, Ben Arfa wanted to go home after substitution. Guess Blanc didn't want to field them to prevent another 2010. Doesn't leave many midfielders, after all.
Spain has so much space on their right side, too bad they don't have anyone to cross to.
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Everybody in Spain's squad looks like a vampire.
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On June 24 2012 04:17 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:15 Pantagruel wrote:
This is the worst possible start for France. They trot out 7 defensive MF (WTF!?!?!) and concede an early goal. Shameful lineup by Blanc and they deserve to lose this just for that. What else could Blanc do? Taking the Spanish on is almost suicidal (maybe Germany could take them on proactively). Everyone else has to play reactively.
You can play conservatively without putting on a bunch of defensive midfielders. This is crazy, to not even put Nasri on. I just don't see how France can really score with only Ribery and Benzema providing any kind of threat.
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On June 24 2012 04:24 DragoonTT wrote:Diarra, Nasri and Ben Arfa got into trouble after the Sweden game. Diarra and Nasri started a fight in the cabin, Ben Arfa wanted to go home after substitution. Guess Blanc didn't want to field them to prevent another 2010. Doesn't leave many midfielders, after all. Spain has so much space on their right side, too bad they don't have anyone to cross to.
Didn't know about the troubles in the french camp. Thanks.
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On June 24 2012 04:24 DragoonTT wrote:Diarra, Nasri and Ben Arfa got into trouble after the Sweden game. Diarra and Nasri started a fight in the cabin, Ben Arfa wanted to go home after substitution. Guess Blanc didn't want to field them to prevent another 2010. Doesn't leave many midfielders, after all. Spain has so much space on their right side, too bad they don't have anyone to cross to.
Is this the reason he omitted Nasri and the others from the team today? If so then that makes more sense. I didn't realize they had infighting this tournament.
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On June 24 2012 04:25 niteblaze wrote:
Everybody in Spain's squad looks like a vampire.
What? lol
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Didn't know much about that either, only about Nasri, but during prematch coverage the german broadcaster reported all that. Don't see another explanation, either - France looked bad against Sweden, but Blanc'd have to change the whole team then, and not do funny stuff like field Debuchy as a midfielder.
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Good game imo, France did nothing wrong except that one mistake.
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Such a stupid goal, it's not dead for France until 2-0, but we will need luck:p
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Welp, spain will rip another euro to pieces. Can't say I'm unhappy, I love their football.
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On June 24 2012 04:32 sharkie wrote:
Good game imo, France did nothing wrong except that one mistake.
This game is awful to watch... France did wrong the one thing they could not afford to do wrong with this lineup, concede an early goal.
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Spain is playing the finest art of soccer.
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On June 24 2012 04:36 Pantagruel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:32 sharkie wrote:
Good game imo, France did nothing wrong except that one mistake. This game is awful to watch... France did wrong the one thing they could not afford to do wrong with this lineup, concede an early goal.
Why is France playing the same way as Spain? They need to play like Chelsea played vs Barca, park the bus and counter attack. You can't win the posession game vs Spain.
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Only 82% pass accuracy for spain. Must be an off day for them ^^
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82% with nearly 400 passes i think is too ok
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On June 24 2012 04:37 torm3ntin wrote:
Spain is playing the finest art of soccer.
Spain are playing better than they did the previous matches, but this performance is by no means the finest.
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Woah, that dude on the unicycle juggling is quite impressive.
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They just lack teeth up front. Fabregas is doing ok up there, but they really miss someone like Villa.
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On June 24 2012 04:42 Telcontar wrote:
They just lack teeth up front. Fabregas is doing ok up there, but they really miss someone like Villa.
Wonder why Fabregas vs Torres then?
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On June 24 2012 04:42 kakaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:42 Telcontar wrote:
They just lack teeth up front. Fabregas is doing ok up there, but they really miss someone like Villa. Wonder why Fabregas vs Torres then?
Besides the 2 goals vs Ireland, he hasn't looked very sharp. I guess Del Bosque prefers the flexibility & extra creativity that Fabregas provides. I'm sure we'll see Torres come on a little later though to test the tired legs of the french defence.
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On June 24 2012 04:49 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:42 kakaman wrote:On June 24 2012 04:42 Telcontar wrote:
They just lack teeth up front. Fabregas is doing ok up there, but they really miss someone like Villa. Wonder why Fabregas vs Torres then? Besides the 2 goals vs Ireland, he hasn't looked very sharp. I guess Del Bosque prefers the flexibility & extra creativity that Fabregas provides. I'm sure we'll see Torres come on a little later though to test the tired legs of the french defence.
Plus, the French have been playing quite a high line which hasn't been exploited too often. Torres might come on later for that purpose.
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On June 24 2012 04:50 TranceStorm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:49 Telcontar wrote:On June 24 2012 04:42 kakaman wrote:On June 24 2012 04:42 Telcontar wrote:
They just lack teeth up front. Fabregas is doing ok up there, but they really miss someone like Villa. Wonder why Fabregas vs Torres then? Besides the 2 goals vs Ireland, he hasn't looked very sharp. I guess Del Bosque prefers the flexibility & extra creativity that Fabregas provides. I'm sure we'll see Torres come on a little later though to test the tired legs of the french defence. Plus, the French have been playing quite a high line which hasn't been exploited too often. Torres might come on later for that purpose.
Yea hes been using him as a sub in important games because it forces the defense to make adjustments which is not very easy when your an hour into the game. All of a sudden theres a guy running off your shoulder every possession mistakes will probably happen and there will be some channels to run into as France starts going after the game a bit more.
ohh that first touch Ribery...
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On June 24 2012 04:37 kakaman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 04:36 Pantagruel wrote:On June 24 2012 04:32 sharkie wrote:
Good game imo, France did nothing wrong except that one mistake. This game is awful to watch... France did wrong the one thing they could not afford to do wrong with this lineup, concede an early goal. Why is France playing the same way as Spain? They need to play like Chelsea played vs Barca, park the bus and counter attack. You can't win the posession game vs Spain.
France has a very talented team also, I don't think they need to park the bus at all.
People overrate the Spanish attack. It's not particularly potent. Their strength is in midfield and retaining and recovering possession. Its erroneous to put on extra defenders versus Spain. What you need to do is have the personnel on the field to make the most of the limited opportunities you will get. In this case, players like Nasri or Menez would would be much better in this game.
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pretty boring game so far, come on france
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Pique has looked quite sloppy in possession tonight. I feel a big blunder coming up from him.
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On June 24 2012 04:57 mememolly wrote:
pretty boring game so far, come on france
Yes, really boring. Hope France will score right before the end of the game. An extra time would be nice
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Spain's counters are pretty mediocre... Could've scored out of one if they had played it well
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I'm not liking things currently. Hoping for the introduction of a striker soon for Spain.
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Ah, menez and nasri. maybe the game will get faster now ?
edit : ahhhhh, if only malouda had succeeded to control that ball ! It could have been VERY interesting
edit 2 : ouf lloris.
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France is looking better now. Finally some pressure from them.
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There we go, a little bit of effort and theyre asking questions now.
Blanc playing it to not go 2 down and then give it a go last 30. Fair enough..
O Benzema..
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Dat through pass, xavi OP.
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Nice shot ! only 35meters above the goal xD
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No creativity at all...where is Zidane when you need him?
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I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
PEEEEEEEEDRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOO
About time.
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On June 24 2012 05:05 Malinor wrote:
I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me.
Why? They are not looking good at the moment.
And we will beat them ofc
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On June 24 2012 05:05 kakaman wrote:
No creativity at all...where is Zidane when you need him?
France have been looking desperately for the next Zidane for the past six years. Gourcuff never lived up to his promise.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Now it's danger time for France. Push too forward, and Torres and Pedro will punish you.
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United States97276 Posts
No surprise to see torres coming in. Let's see if he's able to score anything
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I like how Nasri is sporting the Cantona look..has the temperment too
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On June 24 2012 05:09 kakaman wrote:
I like how Nasri is sporting the Cantona look..has the temperment too
But he looks like a child while Cantona was a badass.
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One backheel to many there Sergio B...
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On June 24 2012 05:07 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:05 Malinor wrote:
I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me. Why? They are not looking good at the moment. And we will beat them ofc
The "why" should be pretty obvious, because they never lose. Obviously, France is not playing very well, so it might just be my irrational fear.
But I don't buy this "they don't look good" thing at all. They just 1-0ed their way to a World Cup and if my memory serves me right, the games didn't look much different back then either. Casillas is the best goalie in the world by a huge margin in my opinion I never see him make any significant mistakes. And as long as Iniesta and Xavi are in their prime, this team is just insane.
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?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here..
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Dutch commentator is so annoying, only bashing France with not funny jokes. -_-'
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Typical Torres miss. olol
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On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here..
Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card
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On June 24 2012 05:15 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:07 KiNGxXx wrote:On June 24 2012 05:05 Malinor wrote:
I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me. Why? They are not looking good at the moment. And we will beat them ofc The "why" should be pretty obvious, because they never lose. Obviously, France is not playing very well, so it might just be my irrational fear. But I don't buy this "they don't look good" thing at all. They just 1-0ed their way to a World Cup and if my memory serves me right, the games didn't look much different back then either. Casillas is the best goalie in the world by a huge margin in my opinion I never see him make any significant mistakes. And as long as Iniesta and Xavi are in their prime, this team is just insane.
I wanted to say they are not looking THAT good. They don't look unbeatable. Ofc they are still great but especially their defense is a bit shaky. They just didn't play vs strong offensive teams (like us) yet.
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On June 24 2012 05:22 seenster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here.. Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card
... As I said if you read my post, I know why he got the card, but I don't get what was the initial foul !
edit : they are sooo good at keeping the ball -_- but it's so boring..
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On June 24 2012 05:22 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:15 Malinor wrote:On June 24 2012 05:07 KiNGxXx wrote:On June 24 2012 05:05 Malinor wrote:
I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me. Why? They are not looking good at the moment. And we will beat them ofc The "why" should be pretty obvious, because they never lose. Obviously, France is not playing very well, so it might just be my irrational fear. But I don't buy this "they don't look good" thing at all. They just 1-0ed their way to a World Cup and if my memory serves me right, the games didn't look much different back then either. Casillas is the best goalie in the world by a huge margin in my opinion I never see him make any significant mistakes. And as long as Iniesta and Xavi are in their prime, this team is just insane. I wanted to say they are not looking THAT good. They don't look unbeatable. Ofc they are still great but especially their defense is a bit shaky. They just didn't play vs strong offensive teams (like us) yet.
I am just lacking faith
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
Poor second half from both teams.
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Do the french know they are <10 minutes from elimination?
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On June 24 2012 05:22 KiNGxXx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:15 Malinor wrote:On June 24 2012 05:07 KiNGxXx wrote:On June 24 2012 05:05 Malinor wrote:
I feel like this spanish team is never gonna lose a game again. They frighten me. Why? They are not looking good at the moment. And we will beat them ofc The "why" should be pretty obvious, because they never lose. Obviously, France is not playing very well, so it might just be my irrational fear. But I don't buy this "they don't look good" thing at all. They just 1-0ed their way to a World Cup and if my memory serves me right, the games didn't look much different back then either. Casillas is the best goalie in the world by a huge margin in my opinion I never see him make any significant mistakes. And as long as Iniesta and Xavi are in their prime, this team is just insane. I wanted to say they are not looking THAT good. They don't look unbeatable. Ofc they are still great but especially their defense is a bit shaky. They just didn't play vs strong offensive teams (like us) yet.
Vs. Portugal is going to be an interesting game.
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On June 24 2012 05:19 norlock wrote:
Dutch commentator is so annoying, only bashing France with not funny jokes. -_-'
I'm watching it on Belgium tv
Anyway this second half has been horrible. Neither team playing well.
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This game has gone ridiculously flat.
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My God Torress, put your head up (like everyone else on your team) and pick the runner :S. He had all of Gdansk to ship it in to the right side.
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On June 24 2012 05:23 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:22 seenster wrote:On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here.. Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card ... As I said if you read my post, I know why he got the card, but I don't get what was the initial foul ! edit : they are sooo good at keeping the ball -_- but it's so boring..
Why do people say that? It boggles my mind. Have you ever played football on like any level?
Cause if you had you would understand how difficult that way of playing is and thus equally fascinating.
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Meh Spain didn't look good this match I give Germany the edge if they face eachother. France is just awful I wish France never took Strasbourg from the german so I would be german instead ^^
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On June 24 2012 05:19 norlock wrote:
Dutch commentator is so annoying, only bashing France with not funny jokes. -_-'
Which Dutch commentator isn't annoying :s I prefer to mute my tv nowadays.
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lose 1-0 against spain isn't a shame, they will win euro 2012 i called it
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On June 24 2012 05:23 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:22 seenster wrote:On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here.. Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card ... As I said if you read my post, I know why he got the card, but I don't get what was the initial foul ! edit : they are sooo good at keeping the ball -_- but it's so boring..
Well mb mr. ref thought hes got one more chance cause he didn`t catch the refs eye yet ... (lol hope thats kinda right ... bad english skillz). but afterwards he complained and so he got the call...
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all games of spain are so boring to watch ... i didn't expect much from france but its the first game i really don't wanna watch till the end because it's just a waste of time
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United Kingdom38152 Posts
Another boring Spain match, who'd have thought it...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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On June 24 2012 05:27 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:23 Nouar wrote:On June 24 2012 05:22 seenster wrote:On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here.. Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card ... As I said if you read my post, I know why he got the card, but I don't get what was the initial foul ! edit : they are sooo good at keeping the ball -_- but it's so boring.. Why do people say that? It boggles my mind. Have you ever played football on like any level? Cause if you had you would understand how difficult that way of playing is and thus equally fascinating.
Yes I know it's hard, yes I know the amount of coordination required and technicity level to fool the opponent, no as a spectator I'm not enjoying this match, and it's got nothing to do with me being french. I'm just feeling bored watching this.
edit : and they managed to fish a penalty instead of playing it out. Well gratz I guess.
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On June 24 2012 05:27 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:23 Nouar wrote:On June 24 2012 05:22 seenster wrote:On June 24 2012 05:17 Nouar wrote:
?? Where was the foul exactly here ? I understand he got a yellow cause he complained, but I don't understand the foul in the first place here.. Foul = no card. Foul + complaining = card ... As I said if you read my post, I know why he got the card, but I don't get what was the initial foul ! edit : they are sooo good at keeping the ball -_- but it's so boring.. Why do people say that? It boggles my mind. Have you ever played football on like any level? Cause if you had you would understand how difficult that way of playing is and thus equally fascinating.
Nobody is saying, that this style doesn´t require skill, it is just not exciting. It was when Barcelona introduced this, but it gets old after awhile.
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On June 24 2012 05:30 Asha` wrote:
Another boring Spain match, who'd have thought it...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
You're not a fan of endless passing?
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umm yeah..
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Well this was incredibly boring....
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United States97276 Posts
Well this should be the final blow
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1-0 was fair, 2-0 isn't fair
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Ouch.
Dissapointed by france, zero willpower and thirst for the win.
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Knife to the heart.
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On June 24 2012 05:31 Makro wrote:
1-0 was fair, 2-0 isn't fair
very true.
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Yay for Xabi - good penalty.
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2 goals on his 100th cap. Nice
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Menez and Nasri completely destroyed France's game...
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I think France just mentally gave up. They refused to go all out vs Spain in this half for fear of being hit on the counter. Very weak way to go out of the tournament. At least take a gamble and give it a real shot.
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boring ass game, it seems the "worse" teams play much more interesting football
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Good game against a good team. Relieved :D.
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Yea really boring game.. expect way more from these countries facing each other
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Charlie Sheens House51453 Posts
Poor France, didn't turn up.
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Well that was a dull game. and looked the best one on paper to. France needed to stretch them alot more then they did. Its to easy for Spain like this if they are ahead.
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france just rolled over
was not exciting game to watch
i hope the germans i run for their money at least they like to take shots
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The french players look as if they had just lost a random league game...
Did they ever believe they can win?
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Italy - England should be better than the previous three matches. Man these quarter finals have disappointed. Cannot fault Greece or Czech Republic, but I really expected better from France.
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France looked really uninspired to me in this game. The only player that came with pace was Frank Ribery. The Spanish dominated this game and got a much deserved win.
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Wow that was boring.
Hope England wins their next match. Somehow.
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Need to extend Euro cup to Europe and Brazil xD
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On June 24 2012 05:41 skrzmark wrote:
Need to extend Euro cup to Europe and Brazil xD
why?
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O wow Im just looking Malouda on Xabi Alonso's goal. just wow..
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Well, there goes our run in the competition. And another reason to bash our team like only the French know how.
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On June 24 2012 05:41 skrzmark wrote:
Need to extend Euro cup to Europe and Brazil xD
You don't want poor cristiano to get a break do you? xP
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Absolute garbage game. France never really wanted to play. Spain did their thing and passed forever, got a random goal (a beautiful one at that) and won. Bah. All quarters this far has been terrible games. Hopefully Italy and England can turn it up, but don't get your hopes up.
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You can't blame Spain for the game being boring.
They just played their game, weren't contested at all and scored a goal. They kept playing their game but France didn't threat to do anything, so they slowed down while keeping control.
Now, Italy vs England will be like BW TvT.
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Massive entertainment was had.
Also, France is as good as Spain at making 45172 passes in a row ; but not to go forward with them.
Finally, Menez has the best stats ever : yellow card after 5 min, forget to mark his player on the first possible occasion and 4 balls touched in 30 min. GG Bonjwa
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Am I the only one that worships this tiki-taka style? Seems I'm the only one who enjoyed this, xP.
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On June 24 2012 05:43 Rebs wrote:
O wow Im just looking Malouda on Xabi Alonso's goal. just wow..
There was someone named Malouda on the pitch?
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Poor Ribery, he played so good.
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au revoir !!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPAIN IMBALANCED.
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If you compare these (3 of 4) quarterfinals to the epics we had in the quarterfinals of the last wc or at the last euro....
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On June 24 2012 05:46 DragoonTT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:43 Rebs wrote:
O wow Im just looking Malouda on Xabi Alonso's goal. just wow.. There was someone named Malouda on the pitch?
Should never play for France again. ever.... Its depressing looking at his effort or lack thereoff on following his runner. Just speechless. Its 19 mins in the game, if its later I can see someone losing focus but just the lack of desire is just wrong for this kind of game.
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so england will have to stop germany again?
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On June 24 2012 05:50 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
so england will have to stop germany again?
Again, yeah. They always stop us....Hahahahahaha
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On June 24 2012 05:51 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
im not afraid
Yes you are!
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What a boring fucking game. Spain makes everyone fall asleep and France didn't play shit.
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On June 24 2012 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one that worships this tiki-taka style? Seems I'm the only one who enjoyed this, xP.
I find it mind numbing to watch at times. I prefer direct play where the objective is to score goals. Spain plays to keep possession first and score goals second. They know if they can hold on to the ball the opponent will make a mistake eventually and they can score (like Malouda failing to cover Xabi). Spain is certainly capable of beautiful football, but when they face a tough disciplined opponent the game becomes unwatchable because they always play it safe to keep possession rather then risk losing the ball to try and score a goal.
Without a doubt Spain is an incredibly talented team, and have by considerable margin the strongest midfield in the world. They never get dispossessed even when under heavy pressure, are able to make quick accurate passes, are extremely good at pressuring opposing players when they have the ball and recovering the ball quickly and they work tirelessly all game long. This is laudable. Unfortunately it frequently leads to boring stalemates for long stretches of the game.
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"...he would fight for anything whatever, but he would sell everything that was worth fighting for, if he had captured the world then he would have given it back just to win it again, for his glory was not that of conquest but of victory, and of victory alone."
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And while Malouda was responsible for that goal, he was actually one of the better players for France. He didn't lose possession nearly as often as Benzema for example and created a couple of mildly threatening situations which were not taken advantage of.
Laurent Blanc should be largely blamed for this performance however for putting out a ludicrous defensive line up completely void of creativity when he left far better on the bench. I don't think the players for France were terribly lazy, they were just outclassed in the end.
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Spanish don't know how to post images as a nation?
I expect a polish to step up and defend you.
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Well, that was a zzzzzzzzz fest. Looking forwards to England vs Italy tomorrow, a game of 14cc vs 14cc into split map
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Charlie Sheens House51453 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:59 amazingxkcd wrote:Well, that was a zzzzzzzzz fest. Looking forwards to England vs Italy tomorrow, a game of 14cc vs 14cc into split map
Lawl, nicely put. Think it indeed will be a TvT macro war. Air vs Air
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On June 24 2012 05:59 Pantagruel wrote:
And while Malouda was responsible for that goal, he was actually one of the better players for France. He didn't lose possession nearly as often as Benzema for example and created a couple of mildly threatening situations which were not taken advantage of.
Laurent Blanc should be largely blamed for this performance however for putting out a ludicrous defensive line up completely void of creativity when he left far better on the bench. I don't think the players for France were terribly lazy, they were just outclassed in the end.
France were way worse with Nasri and Menez on the field than with their defensive minded players.
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Bye bye frenchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On June 24 2012 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one that worships this tiki-taka style? Seems I'm the only one who enjoyed this, xP.
I can't say anything more than the German Greece game was SO SOSO much more enjoyable to watch, Germany's attacking play is really efficient, doesn't give up possession but spends a lot of time attacking. Spanish obsession with possession and midfield control is boring as hell. Yuck.
Can't say how much shitter this Spanish team is to watch than Zidane's France was, (was just rewatching the 1998 WC final), god damn, it really is the ruination of football in my opinion. Fucking 6 midfielders, just taking the piss.
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I want 90 minutes of my life back. Totally garbage and boring. i should have known better than to keep watching after the first half.
There is no team better to go on a good defensive (and utter boring for the viewers) mode than Spain when leading. The freaking number of minutes the ball goes from side to side in the middle field...ZZZZZZZ
Spain needs to play from behind in order to put on a good show for the viewers.
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On June 24 2012 06:06 sc4k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one that worships this tiki-taka style? Seems I'm the only one who enjoyed this, xP. I can't say anything more than the German Greece game was SO SOSO much more enjoyable to watch, Germany's attacking play is really efficient, doesn't give up possession but spends a lot of time attacking. Spanish obsession with possession and midfield control is boring as hell. Yuck. Can't say how much shitter this Spanish team is to watch than Zidane's France was, (was just rewatching the 1998 WC final), god damn, it really is the ruination of football in my opinion. Fucking 6 midfielders, just taking the piss.
I agree. I tend to call this style of play "pinball". The ball bounces from player to player without ever doing anything. Sure, the passes are precise, but after a few hundred, the novelty wears off and the match becomes a waste of time to watch.
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On June 23 2012 22:54 Malaz wrote:
I'm expecting a not very exciting game with very few chances on both sides and lots of ball possession for Spain. Spain will score a goal eventually and will take it 1-0. Maybe France even makes it into the penalty shootout.
Just quoting myself... Besides the penalty, it went as I expected ^^
What a boring boring game... *yaaaawn*
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the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight.
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On June 24 2012 06:01 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:59 Pantagruel wrote:
And while Malouda was responsible for that goal, he was actually one of the better players for France. He didn't lose possession nearly as often as Benzema for example and created a couple of mildly threatening situations which were not taken advantage of.
Laurent Blanc should be largely blamed for this performance however for putting out a ludicrous defensive line up completely void of creativity when he left far better on the bench. I don't think the players for France were terribly lazy, they were just outclassed in the end. France were way worse with Nasri and Menez on the field than with their defensive minded players.
I wouldn't say that. France was clearly defeated by the time the substitutions were made. I don't think they got any worse, but they didn't get any better either. France should have began the game with attacking intentions and a proper line up. They were a good attacking team this tournament up until this game. Naturally, Spain is a more difficult opponent but that doesn't excuse their display when they did have the ball.
Far too many teams are intimidated by Spain and they need not be. Really the best way to play against them is press aggressively to try and win the ball and attack with pace. In the WC2010 final Holland pressed extremely aggressively (many will claim too aggressively) and tried to attack when they did have the ball. They didn't park the bus and in my opinion, they had a good chance to win that game as they had the two most dangerous scoring opportunities (which Robben both missed). It is inevitable that Spain will win the possession battle, but that is not a reason to stop playing football.
I hope Portugal will keep their heads and try to play their game rather then tossing on a bunch of defenders whom serve little purpose versus Spain.
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On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight.
Yea because Xabi Alonso is a real spring chicken and Im sure if nothing else keeping track of Xabi Alonso doesnt require any herculean athleticism.
I personally have no problem with what kind of quality people put up if your not good enough your not good enough, France is good enough they have quality. The desire was just not there. If they were worried about getting ripped on the media then they succeeded in that. Ribery certainly gave it everything . I liked Blancs tactics to he put his team in a reasonably good setup to get something out of it. Even if it meant an hour of relative drab for the neutral casual fan.
Their going to get ripped a new one regardless might aswell go down fighting.
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On June 24 2012 05:55 howLiN wrote:
What a boring fucking game. Spain makes everyone fall asleep and France didn't play shit.
Yep. Absolutely horrible game, i felt i wasted 2h.
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On June 24 2012 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Am I the only one that worships this tiki-taka style? Seems I'm the only one who enjoyed this, xP.
Del bosque TikiTaka is shit. He is the worst coach Spain could have.
Spanish TikiTaka with Luis Aragones (Eurocup 2008) was awesome, the better gameplay that Spain have created. With Del Bosque (worldcup 2010 and this eurocup) Spain plays horrible.
How can you play a Offensive Style choosing a Defensive Double Pivot with Alonso and Busquets? No sense. (And LLorente, the best spanish fordward still havent played a minute).
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On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight.
tutututut ! undefeated != winning streak. We did NOT win 23 matches, and most of them were.... so-so. I haven't seen a really GOOD match from France for a long time. The previous defeat was... well the defeat was not the problem, it was the way they played, seemingly not *wanting* to play and win, being half-assed. Yes they're scared, yes we are often calling them names and we should stop to let them gain confidence, but they kinda brought it on themselves, and the garbage from 2010 will take a LONG time to be forgotten. The first step would be to show us good games, and will to win, even if we lose. Just PLAY. Not this, or even worse the previous one. We want players who try things, might fail, do crazy shit, entertain, have a good attitude. Win or lose ? I don't really care.
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Spain played sloppy and the French played so bad.. Nearly took a nap at half time.
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On June 24 2012 07:06 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight. tutututut ! undefeated != winning streak. We did NOT win 23 matches, and most of them were.... so-so. I haven't seen a really GOOD match from France for a long time. The previous defeat was... well the defeat was not the problem, it was the way they played, seemingly not *wanting* to play and win, being half-assed. Yes they're scared, yes we are often calling them names and we should stop to let them gain confidence, but they kinda brought it on themselves, and the garbage from 2010 will take a LONG time to be forgotten. The first step would be to show us good games, and will to win, even if we lose. Just PLAY. Not this, or even worse the previous one. We want players who try things, might fail, do crazy shit, entertain, have a good attitude. Win or lose ? I don't really care.
but almost ALL the players from 2010 are gone, so why the hell are we punishing people who had nothing to do with it at all? out of the Knysna debacle the people who are left are Malouda, Ribery, Lloris, Evra, Valbuena, Diarra(?) i think, almost all the players were either ousted by Domenech before the WC after 3 or 4 selections or were selected for the first time by Blanc.
I think Blanc is making a mistake by not growing some of the younger, fresher talents in the team like Remy and Martin, they have potential, especially Martin, he brings a nice dynamic to the game. I think if you had the midfield be Ribery right wing, Valbuena Right MF, Martin MF, Cabaye Left MF and Menez Left wing with Benzema, Giroud or Martin in the striker's post it could bring a faster more offensive style. but thats just me speculating
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I was watching match in Kyiv's fanzone, and French seemed to be more interested in girls around, than game. Is it only me, or such thing is possible?
Anyway, sad that France played like that today, theirs game plan turns out be just wrong. But team have lots of potential, so, maybe WC 2014?
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On June 24 2012 07:06 Nouar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight. tutututut ! undefeated != winning streak. We did NOT win 23 matches, and most of them were.... so-so. I haven't seen a really GOOD match from France for a long time. The previous defeat was... well the defeat was not the problem, it was the way they played, seemingly not *wanting* to play and win, being half-assed. Yes they're scared, yes we are often calling them names and we should stop to let them gain confidence, but they kinda brought it on themselves, and the garbage from 2010 will take a LONG time to be forgotten. The first step would be to show us good games, and will to win, even if we lose. Just PLAY. Not this, or even worse the previous one. We want players who try things, might fail, do crazy shit, entertain, have a good attitude. Win or lose ? I don't really care.
You're absolutely right. It's just so frustrating and infuriating to see France play the way they did tonight and vs Sweden, showing no fighting spirit, being so passive allgame long like it's some random exhibition match... What a poor display, soz to every TLer who watched this game =X.
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Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team.
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It also doesn't help that France is missing a central game maker. No Zidane or Viera to provide the impetus and make crazy shit happen. It was almost as if people were expecting Benzema to do it but he is only a forward.
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On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote:
Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team.
But still you love Zidane right ?
Prejudice post.
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On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote:
Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team.
I don't know the situation for the French team in regards to where they live but I don't feel their origins really matter, so long as they grew up and were educated in France. I can tell you the vast majority of Dutch players don't live in the Netherlands because the Eredivisie is a smaller league and their top players all go abroad. I also know for example, on the German team, Mesut Ozil was born in Turkey but moved to Germany when he was 2, was educated in Germany, benefitted from German football education, etc. He is German. Some people think he shouldn't play for Germany simple because of his blood but I think that is not only ridiculous but racist. The same goes for France in my opinion. It doesn't matter where their parents are from, it matter where they are educated. If they are educated in France then they are French and that shouldn't be questioned. Nowadays the world is becoming so globalized with immigrants coming and going from country to country and thus more and more the national team will represent that.
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On June 24 2012 09:07 Pantagruel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote:
Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team. I don't know the situation for the French team in regards to where they live but I don't feel their origins really matter, so long as they grew up and were educated in France. I can tell you the vast majority of Dutch players don't live in the Netherlands because the Eredivisie is a smaller league and their top players all go abroad. I also know for example, on the German team, Mesut Ozil was born in Turkey but moved to Germany when he was 2, was educated in Germany, benefitted from German football education, etc. He is German. Some people think he shouldn't play for Germany simple because of his blood but I think that is not only ridiculous but racist. The same goes for France in my opinion. It doesn't matter where their parents are from, it matter where they are educated. If they are educated in France then they are French and that shouldn't be questioned. Nowadays the world is becoming so globalized with immigrants coming and going from country to country and thus more and more the national team will represent that.
Uhm Mesut was born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. The whole discussion is still stupid :p
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On June 24 2012 09:26 duckii wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 09:07 Pantagruel wrote:On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote:
Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team. I don't know the situation for the French team in regards to where they live but I don't feel their origins really matter, so long as they grew up and were educated in France. I can tell you the vast majority of Dutch players don't live in the Netherlands because the Eredivisie is a smaller league and their top players all go abroad. I also know for example, on the German team, Mesut Ozil was born in Turkey but moved to Germany when he was 2, was educated in Germany, benefitted from German football education, etc. He is German. Some people think he shouldn't play for Germany simple because of his blood but I think that is not only ridiculous but racist. The same goes for France in my opinion. It doesn't matter where their parents are from, it matter where they are educated. If they are educated in France then they are French and that shouldn't be questioned. Nowadays the world is becoming so globalized with immigrants coming and going from country to country and thus more and more the national team will represent that. Uhm Mesut was born in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. The whole discussion is still stupid :p
Yes, you are correct. I misread that somewhere then. Regardless, his ancestors came from Turkey which is the subject being discussed.
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On June 24 2012 08:58 eaT_Mi_Lquid wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 08:19 SiroKO wrote:
Most of these players are not living in France and/or not of French origins.
No wonder why they've no passion for the national team. But still you love Zidane right ? Prejudice post.
Its a troll post. Everyone knows this is rubbish.
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So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions.
I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time .
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For World + Euro champs , Spain wasn't impressive at all , due to the fact after they scored the 1st goal , they fell asleep plus France was unable to react and played incredibly bad , Benzema was a total failure during the whole championship , this match was so boring to watch I'd prefer watch a -13 y/o match ...
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On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote:So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time .
Yeah, no. It was simply boring. Not in a stomping-everyone-boring way, more like a we-don't-really-care-to-score-boring way.
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On June 24 2012 10:40 howLiN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote:So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time . Yeah, no. It was simply boring. Not in a stomping-everyone-boring way, more like a we-don't-really-care-to-score-boring way.
agreed. If they had stomped france 3:0 in the first half and then chilled in the second I honestly wouldn't have cared, but playing home a 1:0 by simply passing the ball around is boooooooooring....
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On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote:So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time .
Only reason why spain was WC champions was because of cassilas (who is severely under talked about imo) and midfield, the rest of their team was utter garbage . They're far from perfection and I'd say if it wasnt for their keeper spain would be w/e
That said I've been cheering for them since 08 only because of their keeper and the fact zidane retired in 2006 left a hole that needed to be filled
On June 24 2012 07:56 Vauteck wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 07:06 Nouar wrote:On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight. tutututut ! undefeated != winning streak. We did NOT win 23 matches, and most of them were.... so-so. I haven't seen a really GOOD match from France for a long time. The previous defeat was... well the defeat was not the problem, it was the way they played, seemingly not *wanting* to play and win, being half-assed. Yes they're scared, yes we are often calling them names and we should stop to let them gain confidence, but they kinda brought it on themselves, and the garbage from 2010 will take a LONG time to be forgotten. The first step would be to show us good games, and will to win, even if we lose. Just PLAY. Not this, or even worse the previous one. We want players who try things, might fail, do crazy shit, entertain, have a good attitude. Win or lose ? I don't really care. You're absolutely right. It's just so frustrating and infuriating to see France play the way they did tonight and vs Sweden, showing no fighting spirit, being so passive allgame long like it's some random exhibition match... What a poor display, soz to every TLer who watched this game =X.
France just hasn't had a good game for a long long time. They only won things because of Zidane (ie euro 2002 + WC 2010 are perfect examples of how bad they are w/o someone to carry them, altho domenech also messed them up a lot so its not all their fault). Zidane is my favourite player ever, but just say what it is: France is just another team thats overhyped way too much
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Wow I never thought I would see the day when people accuse Spain of playing boring football
I thought that was reserved only for Greece.
That being said, I did fall asleep watching France vs Spain lol. I missed the entire 2nd half.
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On June 24 2012 12:13 askTeivospy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 09:45 xN.07)MaK wrote:So much hate towards Spain in this thread. Respect the European + World Champions. I'm also bored when I see someone like Flash stomp someone easily in a boring way, but perfection is boring most of the time . Only reason why spain was WC champions was because of cassilas (who is severely under talked about imo) and midfield, the rest of their team was utter garbage . They're far from perfection and I'd say if it wasnt for their keeper spain would be w/e That said I've been cheering for them since 08 only because of their keeper and the fact zidane retired in 2006 left a hole that needed to be filled Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 07:56 Vauteck wrote:On June 24 2012 07:06 Nouar wrote:On June 24 2012 06:18 PlaGuE_R wrote:
the problem with the french team is that the players are too scared to take chances because they're scared they'll mess up and end up public enemy number 1 in france. After 23 matches without a single loss, that is no loss from 2010 to 2012, it takes one loss, ONE, to make every french person and media outlet go and tear the players a new one. "humiliation" "disgrace" "disgusting" and when they were on a 23 match winning streak "mediocre" "half-assed" "unrealised potential"
gets so bad that the players are actually affected in the way they play their game, which is why the best French player, by far, is Ribery. He's already been so entirely despised by the entire nation that now he doesn't give a fuck what retarded french people or media think and plays for the team and for himself. That's the kind of thing that comes with the experience from losing and being hated, that's what some of the players have like Malouda and Lloris and Ribery, the others are too new at this.
And Malouda's getting old, people, dont hate on him cuz he's slowing down, i think he was one of the better players on the pitch tonight. tutututut ! undefeated != winning streak. We did NOT win 23 matches, and most of them were.... so-so. I haven't seen a really GOOD match from France for a long time. The previous defeat was... well the defeat was not the problem, it was the way they played, seemingly not *wanting* to play and win, being half-assed. Yes they're scared, yes we are often calling them names and we should stop to let them gain confidence, but they kinda brought it on themselves, and the garbage from 2010 will take a LONG time to be forgotten. The first step would be to show us good games, and will to win, even if we lose. Just PLAY. Not this, or even worse the previous one. We want players who try things, might fail, do crazy shit, entertain, have a good attitude. Win or lose ? I don't really care. You're absolutely right. It's just so frustrating and infuriating to see France play the way they did tonight and vs Sweden, showing no fighting spirit, being so passive allgame long like it's some random exhibition match... What a poor display, soz to every TLer who watched this game =X. France just hasn't had a good game for a long long time. They only won things because of Zidane (ie euro 2002 + WC 2010 are perfect examples of how bad they are w/o someone to carry them, altho domenech also messed them up a lot so its not all their fault). Zidane is my favourite player ever, but just say what it is: France is just another team thats overhyped way too much
Im glad your post was on the last page of this thread. Saved me time reading it. Football threads are the worst sports threads on TL - scary amounts of nonsense.
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First time ever i've fallen asleep watching football. Jeeez, France really lost a lot when Zidane and Henry left.
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The funniest bit was when the ITV commentators (who fail epicly) said "Spain are so good on the counter-attack!".
They precede to get past the half was line, 4 vs 4.... pass...... pass.... pass it square...... pass it back...... pass it square.
Until they brought Pedro and Torres on they literally didn't have a single player willing to run with the ball.
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Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain.
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On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain.
Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him.
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Everyone is hating on Spain always playing boring which it was but you know it's quite fuxking difficult if every opponent just plays super defensively. You can't expect them to just always play amazingly entertaining when none of their opponents except Italy! This euro even want to score a goal....
Anyway i think this game proves that just parking the bus only works in like 1 game out of 10 against Spain, Chelsea did it against Barca and it worked wih some luck but it's obv it ain't gonna work this euro..
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On June 24 2012 18:46 RvB wrote:
Everyone is hating on Spain always playing boring which it was but you know it's quite fuxking difficult if every opponent just plays super defensively. You can't expect them to just always play amazingly entertaining when none of their opponents except Italy! This euro even want to score a goal....
Anyway i think this game proves that just parking the bus only works in like 1 game out of 10 against Spain, Chelsea did it against Barca and it worked wih some luck but it's obv it ain't gonna work this euro..
France didn't park the bus for large parts of the game. They left huge amounts of space on Spain's right side for Arbeloa and their midfielders to exploit, but Spain was too slow to capitalize. Same with counters - especially during the first 20 minutes of the second half, Ribery created a lot of pressure, but they lost possession and France's forwards/wingers were very slow to fall back and defend, but Spain blew almost every counter by taking out speed in favor of passing. Hence, the game got incredibly stale, and most of it to be attributed to Spain, who were content at keeping it 1:0, because it seemed safe.
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On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him.
Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain,
Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are
WC 2010 Spain knock-out result
1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal
1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay
1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany
Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands.
It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective.
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We learnt a lesson in the past and started to actually "compete": why Spain should keep attacking to a team whose wish is to be attacked so they can counterattack? Yes, as a spectator, is better if they attack each other till one dies, but that's the worst scenario for Spain as players are not known for having a very strong condition.
So if you put in the equation a team whose best asset is ball circulation, plus having scored already (first 30 min were quite good IMO), plus a team that didn't die attacking = Spain for sure it's not gonna risk counterattacks
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On June 24 2012 19:17 xN.07)MaK wrote:
We learnt a lesson in the past and started to actually "compete": why Spain should keep attacking to a team whose wish is to be attacked so they can counterattack? Yes, as a spectator, is better if they attack each other till one dies, but that's the worst scenario for Spain as players are not known for having a very strong condition.
So if you put in the equation a team whose best asset is ball circulation, plus having scored already (first 30 min were quite good IMO), plus a team that didn't die attacking = Spain for sure it's not gonna risk counterattacks
This is partly true. From WC 2010 Spain is a difference team from what they were in the past. Spain was always a good team and King of the qualifier but never actually doing good in main tourney until they play the Barca style. But in order to maintain this style you will need a line-up of very technique gifted players which can be easily maintain in club level(since you can buy whoever you want) but very difficult to maintain at national level.
Spain has taken a 180 degree turn in their play style and that bring them tremendous success, but I don't see this style of play can be a trade-mark of Spain because once this generation of Xavi, Silva, Iniesta, Alonso has gone I don't see Spain can keep playing like this anymore. And the time is near since Xavi and Alonso are not likely to participate another EURO.
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On June 24 2012 19:11 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote:On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain, Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are WC 2010 Spain knock-out result1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal 1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay 1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands. It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective.
That is not true. Spain played awesome in Eurocup 2008. Spain is not playing bad bacause "No Messi", It is playing bad because Del Bosque "Deffensive Double Pivot with Busquets and Alonso", people like Torres or Arbeola (It should play Llorente/Adrian and Juanfran).
Del Bosque is just a bad coach that makes Spain plays horrible.
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On June 24 2012 22:22 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 19:11 Caphe wrote:On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote:On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain, Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are WC 2010 Spain knock-out result1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal 1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay 1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands. It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective. That is not true. Spain played awesome in Eurocup 2008. Spain is not playing bad bacause "No Messi", It is playing bad because Del Bosque "Deffensive Double Pivot with Busquets and Alonso", people like Torres or Arbeola (It should play Llorente/Adrian and Juanfran). Del Bosque is just a bad coach that makes Spain plays horrible.
You see, worst haters are from our own country xD.
Now Del Bosque is an awful coach that only wins everything because of the good players, not because of him. Maybe the same could be said about his 2 CLs won in R.Madrid (and I'm a Barça supporter).
What people don't say is that in 2008 Spain was kind of unpredictable, but the difficult bit is when EVERYONE knows how you play, they prepare the best "counter"-strategy to it, and yet they lose.
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On June 24 2012 23:10 xN.07)MaK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 22:22 haitike wrote:On June 24 2012 19:11 Caphe wrote:On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote:On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain, Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are WC 2010 Spain knock-out result1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal 1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay 1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands. It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective. That is not true. Spain played awesome in Eurocup 2008. Spain is not playing bad bacause "No Messi", It is playing bad because Del Bosque "Deffensive Double Pivot with Busquets and Alonso", people like Torres or Arbeola (It should play Llorente/Adrian and Juanfran). Del Bosque is just a bad coach that makes Spain plays horrible. You see, worst haters are from our own country xD. Now Del Bosque is an awful coach that only wins everything because of the good players, not because of him. Maybe the same could be said about his 2 CLs won in R.Madrid (and I'm a Barça supporter). What people don't say is that in 2008 Spain was kind of unpredictable, but the difficult bit is when EVERYONE knows how you play, they prepare the best "counter"-strategy to it, and yet they lose.
I have said that Del Bosque makes Spain play bad since his first match, it is not a "now" thing. Almost 4 years with that ridicoulus Double Pivot. Barcelona would play horrible too with that system.
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I don't even support Spain but that was EZ.
Except against Ronaldo, then I'll be cheering my guts out.
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On June 24 2012 23:48 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 23:10 xN.07)MaK wrote:On June 24 2012 22:22 haitike wrote:On June 24 2012 19:11 Caphe wrote:On June 24 2012 16:33 Maenander wrote:On June 24 2012 16:06 Holgerius wrote:Not even the most hardcore supporters can say that was entertaining play by Spain. Well, to be fair it was partly France's fault. Only Ribery had some fight in him. Not entirely the French's fault though. Lets me explain, Spain is gonna play like this every game, they were playing like this since WC2010 when they discovered that they have the best midfielders out there in term of keeping possession and Guadiolar has shown them the way with Barcelona. Actually, before this 2-0 victory against France, every game of Spain in WC 2010(in knock-out stage) has been 1-0. These are WC 2010 Spain knock-out result1/16 Spain 1 0 Portugal 1/8 Spain 1 0 Paraguay 1/4 Spain 1 0 Germany Final Spain 1 0 Netherlands. It seems that teams still can't find a way to counter the possession play of Spain. Unlike the beautiful play of Barcelona, Spain makes this boring cos they can't play it as good as Barca 'cos they lack Messi . This Spain team is basically Barcelona w/o Messi thus make it much more boring but still very effective. That is not true. Spain played awesome in Eurocup 2008. Spain is not playing bad bacause "No Messi", It is playing bad because Del Bosque "Deffensive Double Pivot with Busquets and Alonso", people like Torres or Arbeola (It should play Llorente/Adrian and Juanfran). Del Bosque is just a bad coach that makes Spain plays horrible. You see, worst haters are from our own country xD. Now Del Bosque is an awful coach that only wins everything because of the good players, not because of him. Maybe the same could be said about his 2 CLs won in R.Madrid (and I'm a Barça supporter). What people don't say is that in 2008 Spain was kind of unpredictable, but the difficult bit is when EVERYONE knows how you play, they prepare the best "counter"-strategy to it, and yet they lose. I have said that Del Bosque makes Spain play bad since his first match, it is not a "now" thing. Almost 4 years with that ridicoulus Double Pivot. Barcelona would play horrible too with that system.
Xabi Alonso and Busquets are not De Jong and Van Bommel. They are very good creative players. The only thing Spain is lacking is a genuine striker in the lineup, and yea they do lack a bit of pace upfront at times when they do get the counter.
Tthe only reason Del Bosque seems to be doing it is to change it up to try and throw teams off later in the game. An inform Torress or a healthy Villa would have pretty much solved the problem but he doesnt have them and Llorente isnt someone who runs into channels lets be honest although I'd still like him to play more than Torress.
I dont like it but it makes sense to me. Just like Blancs tactics I dont like but I get what he was thinking.
As for the WC. Hell even Germany refused to play football in the semi and they were brilliant up until then, same for the Dutch, Paraguay gave them the most trouble and they were the worst of the lot.
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Man, I wish I knew where to start watching soccer. Seems like such a cool sport to watch.
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On June 25 2012 03:28 Mondeezy wrote:
Man, I wish I knew where to start watching soccer. Seems like such a cool sport to watch.
Start from documentaries, but dont go too far back. WC 1998 is ideal.
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lol your 2008 coach wouldn't do much better than del bosque without Villa either
He is a world class striker, finisher and creater of chances. It's normal that you play worse without him.
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