EPTcause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Germany vs Greece - Quarterfinal 2 - Page 25
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Harris1st
Germany6996 Posts
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$ | ||
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose.... cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$ Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not. People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 23 2012 09:50 TheConquereer wrote: Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not. People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right Please do tell how that can be interpreted as a clear goal scoring oppurtunity ? Im all for the fact that people do whine to much about refs but thats inevitable and not a big deal. That having been said that was just a consolation call. | ||
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et
Switzerland367 Posts
On June 23 2012 09:50 TheConquereer wrote: Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not. People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move  | ||
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aqui
Germany1023 Posts
On June 23 2012 10:08 et wrote: That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move never argue with a swiss  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 23 2012 10:08 et wrote: That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move Accidentally if it's in an unnatural position, also if it blocks a possible goal. The ball was pretty much heading towards the goal. (Though I think the call was a bit weak but you can have some arguments for it as well) | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On June 23 2012 10:58 Shikyo wrote: Accidentally if it's in an unnatural position, also if it blocks a possible goal. The ball was pretty much heading towards the goal. (Though I think the call was a bit weak but you can have some arguments for it as well) Afaik the possibility of a goal is only important to determine the punishment. See Suarez - it was an obvious goal - so he was sent off. If you use a hand to gain an advantage (hard to define) it's a yellow - like those tactical fouls. I think the penalty can be given since the armposition wasnt natural. That means - he deliberately put his arm there - so he deliberatly handled the ball. He didnt have his arms behind his back (or at his side) - that would be the only way to be save. My problem though is - if that was the game deciding penalty - I'd be mad as hell. Because the refs let sooo many other happen without consequences that it's a very harsh decision. Samaras would've been sent of within the first 15min of the game with the same standard. Overall not many games would end with 11vs11 with such harsh interpretation of the rules (elbow usage during headers, pulling shirts, agressive fouls, ...). You can send off players & give out penalties at basically every single corner & free kick if you strictly follow the rules. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
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et
Switzerland367 Posts
Afaik the possibility of a goal is only important to determine the punishment. This. If the ref thought that it was a clear goal opportunity, he would have been obliged to send him off, if it was deliberately. If it was accidential, then there's no punishment at all. I think the penalty can be given since the armposition wasnt natural. That means - he deliberately put his arm there - so he deliberatly handled the ball. He didnt have his arms behind his back (or at his side) - that would be the only way to be save. He was mid-jump (and pretty much noone holds their arms behind their back or at their side while jumping), and the arm did not move towards the ball as far as I could see. Sure, this does not fall into the "completely wrong" category, but it's questionable. | ||
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
Good game overall by our team. Don't know what happened with Schweinsteiger though. He gave the ball away way too often imo. Happy for Khedira. He really deserved the goal. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On June 23 2012 19:36 AsnSensation wrote: Watched the rerun while playing LoL again and Khedira and Reus's goals were so beastly <3 I think we're finally ready for another title after 1990 and countless 3rd places/semifinals. Hopefully silly Espaniol wont deny us the dream again in the finals, I think this time I might cry. Not worried about italy or England :D:D We won the Euros 1996 :p | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
-the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw). Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week  | ||
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Retric
Germany284 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw). Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus. | ||
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KiNGxXx
7928 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:34 Retric wrote: özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus. Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
''Greece is a curious team. They had one chance and scored two goals,'' Germany coach Joachim Loew said. ''But we didn't get nervous after 1-1, and the goals came.'' That made my day haha | ||
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mevshero
911 Posts
today my head is exploding | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
edit: at the right winger discussion, özil is middle so he never plays right, its müller, reus and perhaps götze on the right side (götze more middle like özil) and on the left there is podolski schürle and also reus and götze can play there so there are more left then right wingers just from the point no one normaly overcome müller on his normal skilllevel. podolski is btw a GREAT winger normaly ... no see point to flame him at all | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:39 KiNGxXx wrote: Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain. His point is that despite playing as badly as you say he did he still affected more goals and played a more instrumental part in running the game offensively than anyone else on the pitch. So what if its Greece. Its a quarterfinalist team that was sitting 1-1 at some point. Take it seriously and give him credit. People so hard to please. Literally the summary here.. Ozil is sucking because ... A) Greece sucks, playing well against them is meaningless because he missed a shot or 2. That should laikkkk never happen. Way to disrespect an opponent. They may not have the same quality as you but they are still worth their salt and their place in the knockouts. B) Being better than Greek players is worthless. addendum to A. C) He plays in Spain and they give you special "whine at referee" classes.(paraphrasing) rather than practice football. I can see how hes off 100 percent. Its very clear to me based on that. (Hes not playing his best sure, but that doesnt mean hes not doing well). | ||
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