Coach: Portugal Fernando Santos Santos named his first shortlist, composed of players based abroad, on 10 May 2012, and the second, composed of Greece-based players on 17 May 2012, totalling a 25-player provisional list. On 28 May 2012, Santos announced his 23-man squad.
I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
You are the first one I come across that actually connects the european championship and the political crysis we're in. How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions? Nations play against each other all the time, no one (should) cares which nation wins.
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
You are the first one I come across that actually connects the european championship and the political crysis we're in. How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions? Nations play against each other all the time, no one (should) cares which nation wins.
You not reading the press? Every paper in England is saying it could boil over because of the tensions between Greece and Germany, after what is happening with Greek financial situation.
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
You are the first one I come across that actually connects the european championship and the political crysis we're in. How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions? Nations play against each other all the time, no one (should) cares which nation wins.
I wrote 'I hope' that there won't be tensions afterwards.
On June 22 2012 19:11 Xiron wrote: How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions?
I was thinking of violent behaviour towards football fans of the opposing nationality, not actually political tensions. I didn't point that out, you're right.
Anyways I did not want to start this off-topic debate, I was just wishing for a good match with no hooligan fans.
On June 22 2012 19:25 graan wrote: its either going to be super close or a slaughter.
Yup, Greece is gonna turtle again i think. The faster Germany scores a goal, the higher the score will get. If they don't manage to score in the first half, it's gonna be a tough one to crack for Germany imo.
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
You are the first one I come across that actually connects the european championship and the political crysis we're in. How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions? Nations play against each other all the time, no one (should) cares which nation wins.
You not reading the press? Every paper in England is saying it could boil over because of the tensions between Greece and Germany, after what is happening with Greek financial situation.
Yeah, there's a lot of that in the German press as well. It says the Greeks say stuff "Our chance to finally pay back Angela Merkel & ze Germans, because of EU crisis" etc. And that Merkel shouldnt celebrate a German victory (she is known for watching a lot of football), because of political consequences.
Only thing more annoying by the media (/politicians) is that the match will be played in Danzig). And every other connection to WW2 and Germany in Poland that needs to be mentioned ....
Somehow you cannot enjoy football this day for the sake of football.
Well more on topic: Germany is the clear favourite. Especially with Karagounis (unjustly) banned the Greek offense will have a hard time. But on the other hand - the Greeks are not known for a great offense but a compact & physical defense, so they're fine. Free kicks / corners etc. will be their only chances with some counters mixed in. But that might be enough if they can neutralize the German midfield trio (Khedira, Özil, Schweinsteiger). Especially since those have shown to have some problems if they dont get a lot of space (Denmark). They like to play against other offensive teams more, so they can rely on their own good defense while having enough room to make vertical passes. Greece will not do them that favour
It's a fucking quarter final - anything can happen (except when it's penalties - then Ger default win).
On June 22 2012 18:53 r00ty wrote: I won't imagine the shitstorm that breaks lose, if we lose. It's really sad how populism has poisonend Europe especially the relationship between Greece and Germany. May the better team win, which should be ze Germans by all accounts.
Go Germany! Let's hope for a fair game without any shitty referee decisions, we had enough of this in the tournament.
Exactly my thoughts. I hope everybody remembers that it's just a football match and that political tenisons are not becoming an issue here.
You are the first one I come across that actually connects the european championship and the political crysis we're in. How could it even possibly become a factor for tensions? Nations play against each other all the time, no one (should) cares which nation wins.
You not reading the press? Every paper in England is saying it could boil over because of the tensions between Greece and Germany, after what is happening with Greek financial situation.
Yeah, there's a lot of that in the German press as well. It says the Greeks say stuff "Our chance to finally pay back Angela Merkel & ze Germans, because of EU crisis" etc. And that Merkel shouldnt celebrate a German victory (she is known for watching a lot of football), because of political consequences. + Show Spoiler +
Only thing more annoying by the media (/politicians) is that the match will be played in Danzig). And every other connection to WW2 and Germany in Poland that needs to be mentioned ....
Somehow you cannot enjoy football this day for the sake of football.
Well more on topic: Germany is the clear favourite. Especially with Karagounis (unjustly) banned the Greek offense will have a hard time. But on the other hand - the Greeks are not known for a great offense but a compact & physical defense, so they're fine. Free kicks / corners etc. will be their only chances with some counters mixed in. But that might be enough if they can neutralize the German midfield trio (Khedira, Özil, Schweinsteiger). Especially since those have shown to have some problems if they dont get a lot of space (Denmark). They like to play against other offensive teams more, so they can rely on their own good defense while having enough room to make vertical passes. Greece will not do them that favour
It's a fucking quarter final - anything can happen (except when it's penalties - then Ger default win).
On that note, lets rewind back to Chelsea vs Bayern. + Show Spoiler +
Realistically a 2-0 for Germany. However, Greece could have beaten Russia 2-0 not just 1-0, if the penalty was given so anything can happen now. I think they can beat anybody if their defence holds.
Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
On June 22 2012 21:08 Steveling wrote: Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
I don't think we have any bad player in our team and especially not in defense.
Normally uz Germans should win this clearly , but playing Greece in an Euro isnt normal, i think it will be an nailbiter but with our Attacking prowess we should be able to score a goal.
On June 22 2012 21:08 Steveling wrote: Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
I don't think we have any bad player in our team and especially not in defense.
So you want to say that he's actually badgoodstuber? rofl Seriously I think he's very bad and leagues below hummels and lam which are awesome. Boateng is just decent imo. Your biggest strength is your midfield.
There's reasons why Löw trusts Badstuber over any other Defender he's got. When it comes to the statistics / rates Badstuber and Hummels excel everyone else in the Bundesliga by FAR. Sure he (Badstuber) sometimes does a blunder here or there, can be said about anyone else in this age however, even Hummels, who's undoubtably one of the most talented defenders on the planet right now. Hummels is better in 1v1 situations whereas Badstuber usually has a very very good eye which is also shown by his passing skills, guy does like 1-2 passes that do not get delivered each game. Yes, Boateng is a bit weaker than the other 3, but if you wanna call him a weakness then EVERY team has weaknesses defensive.
Greece gotta hope they get lucky else today will not be a very fun day for them. In fact I'm quite sure everyone agree's that Greece needs a lot of luck today, then again the political situation might just motivate them as much as humanly possible. Wish that shit would stay out of the football world.
On June 22 2012 21:08 Steveling wrote: Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
I don't think we have any bad player in our team and especially not in defense.
So you want to say that he's actually badgoodstuber? rofl Seriously I think he's very bad and leagues below hummels and lam which are awesome. Boateng is just decent imo. Your biggest strength is your midfield.
LOL, are you really saying Badstuber is bad? Can't take you serious anymore, you seem to not have followed football in the last two years. He is a great worker and has it proven already at this EC.
1.) fairness both on the pitch as well as in the stadium and wherever else fans of both teams meet - keeping politics out of the sport. 2.) an attractive high-level football game. 3.) a German win.
On June 22 2012 21:50 NihiLStarcraft wrote: I'm hoping for...
1.) fairness both on the pitch as well as in the stadium and wherever else fans of both teams meet - keeping politics out of the sport. 2.) an attractive high-level football game. 3.) a German win.
In that order.
Yeah, fairness is pivotal. Don't forget that referees had heavily wronged greece in all 3 matches. Although germany doesn't need the referee to win against us, the same could be said for russia and look what happened.
Germany should take this but the greeks will make them work hard for it.
I hope for a better game than yesterday although I think the moto will be the same, one team pushing, one team holding back and looking for counters when available.
Germany either 1-0 or 2-1 (after a surprise offensive beggining by Greece culminating in a goal followed by 80something minutes defending into a loss near the end).
Gomez has to endure s lot in germany, really, that is a tough decision. Booting someone who has scored 3 goals in 3 games for your team. But since Klose is easily my favourite german forward, I don't think it is necessarily a bad decision.
edit: Also Schürrle and Reus instead of Müller and Podolski. Now I really did not see that coming. Though Reus should be an excellent choice, a small quick player may fit in very well against a team like Greece.
Klose, Schürrle and Reus will start. Gomez, Podolski and Müller will be on the bench. Löw going more offensively with quick strikers, schürrle has quite a strong shooting technique and I guess they will be extra motivated as it is their first showing in the Euros.
Gomez has to endure s lot in germany, really, that is a tough decision. Booting someone who has scored 3 goals in 3 games for your team. But since Klose is easily my favourite german forward, I don't think it is necessarily a bad decision.
What does it change? To my knowledge both are players that wait for their team to create chances, they both have the Inzaghi style. Ofc Klose is awesome in set play, cause of his headers. Or am I wrong? Explain someone.
On June 22 2012 22:04 KobraKay wrote: I hope for a better game than yesterday although I think the moto will be the same, one team pushing, one team holding back and looking for counters when available.
No kidding. I hope Greeks can have more than 2 shots (0 on goal). That was utter disappointment from Czech Republic Except against the Germans, freekicks and corners will not work that well because the German players are just as tall as Greeks
What does it change? To my knowledge both are players that wait for their team to create chances, they both have the Inzaghi style. Ofc Klose is awesome in set play, cause of his headers. Or am I wrong? Explain someone.
Klose is working a lot more on the field. you can sometimes even see him at the own box fighting for the ball and then running a counter with the other players. Gomez is a much more classic 9-forward, waiting for balls close to the opponent goal. If I had to sum it up, Gomez is the better scorer, but creats less for the other players in his team. Klose on the other hand sometimes faces the criticism that he actually works too much for the team and does not focus enough on his role as a forward. Either way, he has always been awesome for the national team, so that shouldn't be a problem. Gomez has the rare unfortunate "talent" that even when he scores lots of goals, he looks kind of clumsy, and as soon as he doesn't score he sometimes looks dumb (see CL finale), and gets a lot of shit for it in germany, which I find is mostly bizarre. But we always love to burn our heros here, just to resurrect them later when we feel like it. So whatever.
Gomez has to endure s lot in germany, really, that is a tough decision. Booting someone who has scored 3 goals in 3 games for your team. But since Klose is easily my favourite german forward, I don't think it is necessarily a bad decision.
What does it change? To my knowledge both are players that wait for their team to create chances, they both have the Inzaghi style. Ofc Klose is awesome in set play, cause of his headers. Or am I wrong? Explain someone.
Klose is the more mobile striker and better suited for link-up play.
Reus for Müller surprises me a lot, especially because Müller is physically stronger, but interesting choices for sure.
What is going on on here? I agree that Podolski and Müller played at least one level lower than usual and that Reus and Schürrle can do better than what Podolski and Müller showed in groupstage. But really, this completely surprises me. Klose for Gomez is a minor surprise, but it was a 50-50 decision before the tournament, so not that a big deal to me ( even though Gomez scored 3).
I think Löw wants to make sure we have fully motivated players and do not underestimate Greece. Good idea, I'd say.
On June 22 2012 21:08 Steveling wrote: Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
I don't think we have any bad player in our team and especially not in defense.
So you want to say that he's actually badgoodstuber? rofl Seriously I think he's very bad and leagues below hummels and lam which are awesome. Boateng is just decent imo. Your biggest strength is your midfield.
Why does everyone keep saying Boateng is decent (or worse)? He consistently performs. Even if he doesn't have an incredible amount of finessse or anything, he's a strong defender and was able to shut down Ronaldo for most of the first game. I don't recall him ever actually being a liability.
Badstuber isn't bad by any means, but I wouldn't say he's on my numer one list, yet.
As for the game itself, I honestly don't think that Greece has a chance (although that could be my German bias creeping in). Germany isn't like Barcelona; they are much better at cracking a turtling defense and can push the ball incredibly fast, so when Greece tries to score (which they obviously need to do as this is knockout and who the hell wants to challenge Germany in a PK shootout), they can open up the Greek defense pretty easily. I also don't see Germany getting weaker as the game goes on; they tend to score and lock the game up in the 70th-80th minute. Not only that, Germany obviously outclasses Greece skill-wise as well as being just as strong as Greece. Plus, we know that Germany really wants this and will never be a team to take something for granted or not give it 110%.
I also feel like the switch in the lineup will work really well. Müller, Gomey, and Podolski have been rather uninspiring, even if they have scored the goals we've needed. While I don't think Germany should have a problem with Greece, the last three games were closer than they should have been given how good this team is (or is when they are at top form). We need a really strong showing going into a semifinal against Italy/England.
Badstuber has shown (not during Euro but last season) that he sometimes has moments where he's too overconfident. Trying to outplay a pressing striker. You never do that because the risk of losing the ball is just too high (and yes he lost the ball twice in such situations iirc). If he doesnt start doing stuff like that during Euro - I'm fine with him .
Overall the German setup (Gomez, Podolski out) looks like the non-bruteforce option. Klose & Schürrle are similiar but a bit more play oriented players. I see Gomez & Podolski subbed in if Germany cannot find a way through the Greek defense with intelligent play. Müller just was not impressive during group play. Reus should have a stronger goal/shooting oriented play
On June 22 2012 21:08 Steveling wrote: Tnx pande, xD. So, I think that if we don't have a shaky start like we used to in the group games, germany will have to play some serious football to score. The thing is we don't score easy either, all our goals are either from set pieces and very bad mistakes of the opponent. I hope that one bad german cb does some fluke(not hummels, the other one).
I don't think we have any bad player in our team and especially not in defense.
So you want to say that he's actually badgoodstuber? rofl Seriously I think he's very bad and leagues below hummels and lam which are awesome. Boateng is just decent imo. Your biggest strength is your midfield.
Why does everyone keep saying Boateng is decent (or worse)? He consistently performs. Even if he doesn't have an incredible amount of finessse or anything, he's a strong defender and was able to shut down Ronaldo for most of the first game. I don't recall him ever actually being a liability.
Badstuber is someone I would call "decent". I definitely wouldn't say he's bad, but he's not top calibre, at least not at the moment.
As for the game itself, I honestly don't think that Greece has a chance (although that could be my German bias creeping in). Germany isn't like Barcelona; they are much better at cracking a turtling defense and can push the ball incredibly fast, so when Greece tries to score (which they obviously need to do as this is knockout and who the hell wants to challenge Germany in a PK shootout), they can open up the Greek defense pretty easily. Not only that, Germany obviously outclasses Greece skill-wise as well as being just as strong as Greece. Plus, we know that Germany really wants this and will never be a team to take something for granted or not give it 110%.
Badstuber is very very good, far better then just decent. IMO it's a perception thing, as he is playing defense together with Lahm, who is finally getting from just good and solid to really great again, Hummels who looks better then anyone else in the tournament (yes, including the Spanish) and Boateng who has a breakout tournament. Frankly I am quite surprised our four-man backfield defence turned out this great. Looked a lot shakier in the preperation-matches.
Game prediction: Greece will defend a lot but be outclassed and loose 2-0.
That reus fellow, what is he like? Don't know him.
Reus can play both as a striker and a winger, is fast and possesses good technique. He scored a lot of goals in the last Bundesliga season, and is probably the most important reason Gladbach finished in 4th place, way above expectations. After the Euro he will be transferred to Dortmund for a fee of 17.5 million €.
On June 22 2012 22:58 BlitzerSC wrote: I'm voting for Greece just because I want to see some upsets, not because I think they are stronger than Germany
GOGO Greece ! :D
Don't worry, Italy never lost to Germany in a big tournament
I was sooo happy to read about those substitutions.
Podolski and Müller undoubtely played far below their expectations. Schürrle/Reus on the other hand are in perfect physical shape, their missing experience in big tourneys are a contra argument though. From the rest of the team, I think especially Özil needs to get better (Götze is lurking). And about Gomez <-> Klose, i would always prefer Klose.
Anyhow, i hope for an awesome game with a lot of german goals
Nothing against his proven effectiveness, but i can't stand forwards who can't dribble 3 strides without stumbling over their own feet or forgetting the ball. Still believe Bayern Munich could do way better with a forward that fills more rolls than "being in the area, waiting to be shot at". It's more them creating stuff for him than Gomez creating chances... welp, at least they have a german on the spot. Not like we have many quality choices for the national forwards.
Hope we go through, of course. And i'll be glad if Greece go out, i've seen enough of Chelsea style "hug the area with 10 men in defense and hope for a random goal" for this year of football...
Nothing against the germans but i would like to see greece get a win here. It would be better for Portugal even if we lost to them in the finals in 2004 and it would be funny because of the economic and political landscape..
Anyways i will go with a 2-1 victory for greece :D
On June 22 2012 23:17 Pika Chu wrote: I don't see how Greece can win this one. I mean no matter how good they turtle Germany's not Russia, they know how to deal with it.
It's hard but not impossible. After all we beat Zidane's France in 2004. Dunno, I just hope we make a good performance even if we lose.
A really, really good decision to let Klose, Reus and Schürrle play! I'd say the greeks prepared especially for the German offense and now have to face something else than they prepared for!
On June 23 2012 00:15 don_kyuhote wrote: Germany smartly decided to beat Greece through the ground rather than through the air.
Well, Klose ain't too bad at headers either, but in essence, a true statement - Klose instead of Gomez means creating advantageous numbers in the midfield and hopefully creating space for Özil and the wingers instead of trying crosses, which the Greece would probably deflect anyway. One might wonder why players like Reus and Schürrle, known for their skill at counters, are fielded over Müller and Podolski against a team that is expected to play 100% defensively. Possibly Löw wants them to tire out their defenders and rotate a lot, instead of going for the goal directly. May open up chances during the second half, where Greece usually is at the advantage due to their superior physical condition.
On June 23 2012 00:15 don_kyuhote wrote: Germany smartly decided to beat Greece through the ground rather than through the air.
Well, Klose ain't too bad at headers either, but in essence, a true statement - Klose instead of Gomez means creating advantageous numbers in the midfield and hopefully creating space for Özil and the wingers instead of trying crosses, which the Greece would probably deflect anyway. One might wonder why players like Reus and Schürrle, known for their skill at counters, are fielded over Müller and Podolski against a team that is expected to play 100% defensively. Possibly Löw wants them to tire out their defenders and rotate a lot, instead of going for the goal directly. May open up chances during the second half, where Greece usually is at the advantage due to their superior physical condition.
Both are very nimble (especially Reus) and have quite a good shot, exactly what you need against a heavy defence.
Although Germany will probably win I see them resting three attackers as a direct slap in the face to greek football. Although i don't think it wll happen this really does set the stage for an upset
On June 23 2012 01:47 Jepsyn wrote: Although Germany will probably win I see them resting three attackers as a direct slap in the face to greek football. Although i don't think it wll happen this really does set the stage for an upset
It's nothing like that at all. Klose is just way better than Gomez in handling the ball. Greece has two strong central defenders that are strong in the air so you have to beat them on the ground. Therefor it's good to have a striker that can play give-and-go with your other players because he actually can control the ball. Podolski and Müller just played bad throughout the tournament so far and a lot of fans were hoping that they would be replaced with Reus/Schürle/Götze.
On June 23 2012 01:47 Jepsyn wrote: Although Germany will probably win I see them resting three attackers as a direct slap in the face to greek football. Although i don't think it wll happen this really does set the stage for an upset
Germany is not resting three attackers. I think letting Klose, schürrle and reus start is quite a smart move: schürrle and reus are not known in international football and the Greek coach most certainly did not analyze these two players with his team. the Greek defense is set for gomez podolski müller. bringing klose schürrle reus will be quite refreshing and unpredictable.
On June 23 2012 01:52 On_Slaught wrote: I agree this is a lose-lose for Greece. Lose and you lose. Win and you piss off millions of Germans, when you are in their financial care.
nah come on it's just a game :D
actually it would be funny to see greece win just to see what happens :D so many Germans are so overconfident about this
even if we won everything till now most you read in press is how we could've played better and the team isn't playing good enought, uh :<
On June 23 2012 01:52 On_Slaught wrote: I agree this is a lose-lose for Greece. Lose and you lose. Win and you piss off millions of Germans, when you are in their financial care.
On June 23 2012 01:52 On_Slaught wrote: I agree this is a lose-lose for Greece. Lose and you lose. Win and you piss off millions of Germans, when you are in their financial care.
nah come on it's just a game :D
actually it would be funny to see greece win just to see what happens :D so many Germans are so overconfident about this
Don't kid yourself. Sports fans are irrational. International Football fans are even more irrational.
On June 23 2012 01:52 On_Slaught wrote: I agree this is a lose-lose for Greece. Lose and you lose. Win and you piss off millions of Germans, when you are in their financial care.
nah come on it's just a game :D
actually it would be funny to see greece win just to see what happens :D so many Germans are so overconfident about this
Don't kid yourself. Sports fans are irrational. International Football fans are even more irrational.
I am really sorry that is the state of mind you have to live in. Seriously, what a strage idea.
On June 23 2012 01:52 On_Slaught wrote: I agree this is a lose-lose for Greece. Lose and you lose. Win and you piss off millions of Germans, when you are in their financial care.
nah come on it's just a game :D
actually it would be funny to see greece win just to see what happens :D so many Germans are so overconfident about this
Don't kid yourself. Sports fans are irrational. International Football fans are even more irrational.
I am really sorry that is the state of mind you have to live in. Seriously, what a strage idea.
It'll probably have a small effect just after the game but after that it wont really matter...
I personally reckon this team is going to backfire on them. I don't see the point in the changes they made. Klose played 10 mins vs Netherlands? Schurrle hasnt even been subbed on? Nor has Reus? (i only saw Bender come on vs Denmark guess cud been subbed on then) So all 3 lack match sharpness and game time?
Not two minutes played and Samaras already about to break Khedira's leg - should have been yellow, but not more - German commentator already getting hilarous, but what'd you expect...
On June 23 2012 03:53 ThorisHere FTW wrote: I really want to watch this, but all the streams are ppv. Does someone know were I could find a free steam?
So i retract my statement about the front 3 of Germany, but ill add in the midfield 3 is SHOCKING.Khedira Schweinsteiger Özil are non exsistant. Or just losing the ball constantly.
On June 23 2012 04:04 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: özil rly sucks, dont believe the hype
Right one of the few genuine oldschool style playmakers with the highest assists last season in one of the best leagues in the world is overhyped.
like said, its the real curse. you play in the probably most consistently achieving team in the whole word for the past 20 yrs, get used to having 10 guys around you who cost 1 billion euros total and start to suck at the very first second u play in a different team. yeah, taking just the german national team into context, i think özil is overhyped.
On June 23 2012 04:10 DragoonTT wrote: Oh dear, we're wasting sooo many chances. Hope that won't backfire
Its coming, before the half probably. Greece isnt even defending well, Germany isnt even having to do anything complicated to get in behind. Just simple pass and move is doing it.
On June 23 2012 04:11 gakkgakk wrote: How Germany hasn't scored yet I don't know. I'm still scared Greece will manage to get a 0-0 and win in a shootout.
On June 23 2012 04:11 gakkgakk wrote: How Germany hasn't scored yet I don't know. I'm still scared Greece will manage to get a 0-0 and win in a shootout.
You really think Germany will actually lose in a PK shootout?
Klose is failing. Bring Gomez on. I need him for my fantasy league!
How is he failing? He hasn't mmissed any opportunities.
On June 23 2012 04:04 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: özil rly sucks, dont believe the hype
Right one of the few genuine oldschool style playmakers with the highest assists last season in one of the best leagues in the world is overhyped.
like said, its the real curse. you play in the probably most consistently achieving team in the whole word for the past 20 yrs, get used to having 10 guys around you who cost 1 billion euros total and start to suck at the very first second u play in a different team. yeah, taking just the german national team into context, i think özil is overhyped.
Right.. cept hes just fed like 2 chances and is pretty instrumental in this game alone. Hes the best player on that team for me.
This retarded logic of the player is only good because his team is good has to stop really. Why does being in a good team discredit your achievments. Ozil shouldve just played at Bremen and been awesome there so we can appreciate good players in relatively weaker teams. sighface.
wtf was that? dude was grabbing a part of his leg that wasnt even touiched... worst part of this sport... but i still <3 it. go Germany! they were the sickest tea to watch in the last Cup
On June 23 2012 04:11 gakkgakk wrote: How Germany hasn't scored yet I don't know. I'm still scared Greece will manage to get a 0-0 and win in a shootout.
You really think Germany will actually lose in a PK shootout?
On June 23 2012 04:11 gakkgakk wrote: How Germany hasn't scored yet I don't know. I'm still scared Greece will manage to get a 0-0 and win in a shootout.
You really think Germany will actually lose in a PK shootout? .
I'm scared of it. It's not a given Germany will win a potential shootout. Who knows; maybe Schweinsteiger will get a CL flashback.
On June 23 2012 04:18 NuclearJudas wrote: dafuq you smoking? Khedira is having a good game. Schweini is playing like shit though. Özil not looking very hot either.
Khedira isn't having a good game? He has 2 shots, one was spilled because of the pitch, the other 30 yards over the bar, and he is giving the ball away like Schweinsteiger too.
Greece looks more dangerous than germany has looked so far imo. they have had a couple chances whereas germany has been kinda locked down.. but at the same time greece seems like its playing withe very single player staying on Defense and only 1-2 actually attacking, afraid of those deadly german counters imo
On June 23 2012 04:20 MaestroSC wrote: Greece looks more dangerous than germany has looked so far imo. they have had a couple chances whereas germany has been kinda locked down.. but at the same time greece seems like its playing withe very single player staying on Defense and only 1-2 actually attacking, afraid of those deadly german counters imo
? Germany has had far more chances and as soon as the Greeks counter-attack, you have 7+ white shirts back on defense. There is absolutely no threat from Greece.
On June 23 2012 04:20 MaestroSC wrote: Greece looks more dangerous than germany has looked so far imo. they have had a couple chances whereas germany has been kinda locked down.. but at the same time greece seems like its playing withe very single player staying on Defense and only 1-2 actually attacking, afraid of those deadly german counters imo
On June 23 2012 04:20 MaestroSC wrote: Greece looks more dangerous than germany has looked so far imo. they have had a couple chances whereas germany has been kinda locked down.. but at the same time greece seems like its playing withe very single player staying on Defense and only 1-2 actually attacking, afraid of those deadly german counters imo
wat? Germany had 3 1v1 chances vs the keeper so far if I remember correctly. 2 spoiled because of the guys slipping and the third because it was a weak shot. That's better than anything greece had so far
On June 23 2012 04:20 MaestroSC wrote: Greece looks more dangerous than germany has looked so far imo. they have had a couple chances whereas germany has been kinda locked down.. but at the same time greece seems like its playing withe very single player staying on Defense and only 1-2 actually attacking, afraid of those deadly german counters imo
They arent afraid of anyone countering because they never actually attack with numbers ever. This is standard Greece in all their games. Moreso as the weight of the game increases.
Also the Germans have done everything but score. I dont see how Greece looks more dangerous at all.
And thats the ball game... alright i was just saying Greece had a couple wasted opportunities whereas germany is going against a team doing nothing but defense... occasionally u get so ahead on O that u sort of lose focus on actually defending too
On June 23 2012 04:10 DragoonTT wrote: Oh dear, we're wasting sooo many chances. Hope that won't backfire
Its coming, before the half probably. Greece isnt even defending well, Germany isnt even having to do anything complicated to get in behind. Just simple pass and move is doing it.
yawn. Might just sit this one out and get some work done for once.
On June 23 2012 04:28 Brow23 wrote: Terrible goal, so lucky!
If you havent noticed by now the Greek keeper has problems with shots. A lot of deflections and overall "nervous". Might have to do with the bad pitch in front of him, but overall - nothing lucky about it when exploiting the weakness.
On June 23 2012 04:28 Brow23 wrote: Terrible goal, so lucky!
If you havent noticed by now the Greek keeper has problems with shots. A lot of deflections and overall "nervous". Might have to do with the bad pitch in front of him, but overall - nothing lucky about it when exploiting the weakness.
On June 23 2012 04:28 Brow23 wrote: Terrible goal, so lucky!
If you havent noticed by now the Greek keeper has problems with shots. A lot of deflections and overall "nervous". Might have to do with the bad pitch in front of him, but overall - nothing lucky about it when exploiting the weakness.
Lahm is just a terrible player, he shouldn't be allowed to leave the german half.
On June 23 2012 04:28 norlock wrote: Nice goal, I just have a question for the real insiders: what level is higher? Club football champion's league niveau or International football.
on another sidenote... i REALLY like these ref's really letting the game go rather than stopping for fake penalties over and over... last world cup us vs ghana was a TERRIBLE game to watch because of the judges
On June 23 2012 04:28 Brow23 wrote: Terrible goal, so lucky!
If you havent noticed by now the Greek keeper has problems with shots. A lot of deflections and overall "nervous". Might have to do with the bad pitch in front of him, but overall - nothing lucky about it when exploiting the weakness.
pssssst i think hes trolling
Troll sensors are being overloaded by the obvious troll in the thread So might be possible I missed others!
Yea the Greeks got stung so much earlier with the Germans getting in behind theyre too scared to close them down outside the 18. Free shooting for anyone whos got their boots on. Funny knee jerk reactions.
On June 23 2012 04:28 norlock wrote: Nice goal, I just have a question for the real insiders: what level is higher? Club football champion's league niveau or International football.
Champion's league, by far.
yeah , top level club football is by far better ,its like an fruit salad compared to (insert favorite fruit), they just pick the best of the best
On June 23 2012 04:28 norlock wrote: Nice goal, I just have a question for the real insiders: what level is higher? Club football champion's league niveau or International football.
Champion's league, by far.
yeah , top level club football is by far better ,its like an fruit salad compared to (insert favorite fruit), they just pick the best of the best
You have to remember that national teams are decided from a limited group of available players, and they don't play together very much when there are no major international tournaments, whereas the opposite is true for both as far as club teams goes.
I think the skill level is higher in the CL, but the atmosphere is just superior in international tournaments, making them more enjoyable overall. I would never choose to watch Dortmund in the Champions League over Germany in the EURO/World Cup.
On June 23 2012 04:40 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think the skill level is higher in the CL, but the atmosphere is just superior in international tournaments, making them more enjoyable overall. I would never choose to watch Dortmund in the Champions League over Germany in the EURO/World Cup.
I would. Every. Single. Time. Atmosphere in Dortmund is about 5000 times more awesome than in every EURO game I've seen up to now.
So far, so good, although I´m with Kipsate (I like how you taste btw :D) : It could have easily been 2-0 or 3-0, especially that chance that Özil screwed up made me sad...
Good thing is: At least Greece can´t go turtle-style anymore, so the game should get more interesting. I´m pretty sure we´ll get to see a few goals more.
On June 23 2012 04:40 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think the skill level is higher in the CL, but the atmosphere is just superior in international tournaments, making them more enjoyable overall. I would never choose to watch Dortmund in the Champions League over Germany in the EURO/World Cup.
Because its not as frequent as the CL, its more of an event. Its a bigger deal purely out of the fact that its less frequent, and ofcourse its something larger groups of people can come together as countries to support. Clubs cant manage that. Never will.
On June 23 2012 04:42 sharkie wrote: Also tell me which clubs except Barcelona play better football than Germany or Spain?
The current Germany and Spain are somewhat rare cases with fantastic crops of players. The overall level of competition in the CL is massive. The teams are better coached, more time to work together on a consistent basis. i wouldnt say the players are to much better. Since most of them feature in these tournaments aswell, but how they come together as teams is differs significantly and the dutch team is your prime example.
On June 23 2012 04:42 sharkie wrote: Also tell me which clubs except Barcelona play better football than Germany or Spain?
The current Germany and Spain are somewhat rare cases with fantastic crops of players. The overall level of competition in the CL is massive. The teams are better coached, more time to work together on a consistent basis. i wouldnt say the players are to much better. Since most of them feature in these tournaments aswell.
Ok then which club was better than France during Zidane's time? Or which club was better than Brazil during Ronaldo days?
On June 23 2012 04:40 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think the skill level is higher in the CL, but the atmosphere is just superior in international tournaments, making them more enjoyable overall. I would never choose to watch Dortmund in the Champions League over Germany in the EURO/World Cup.
Because its not as frequent as the CL, its more of an event. Its a bigger deal purely out of the fact that its less frequent, and ofcourse its something larger groups of people can come together as countries to support. Clubs cant manage that. Never will.
Or maybe because it's an international event where every fan in an entire country rallies around one team and it's played for national pride?
On June 23 2012 04:42 sharkie wrote: Also tell me which clubs except Barcelona play better football than Germany or Spain?
The current Germany and Spain are somewhat rare cases with fantastic crops of players. The overall level of competition in the CL is massive. The teams are better coached, more time to work together on a consistent basis. i wouldnt say the players are to much better. Since most of them feature in these tournaments aswell.
Ok then which club was better than France during Zidane's time? Or which club was better than Brazil during Ronaldo days?
lol sure
Madrid, Munich, United, Arsenal (which had a fair bit of the french), Milan, Juve, Barca (98-00)
If your talking about both teams at their peaks with those 2 players. They mostly overlap between 98 and 02. I dont consider the 06 French team a peaking team.
On June 23 2012 04:40 Stratos_speAr wrote: I think the skill level is higher in the CL, but the atmosphere is just superior in international tournaments, making them more enjoyable overall. I would never choose to watch Dortmund in the Champions League over Germany in the EURO/World Cup.
Because its not as frequent as the CL, its more of an event. Its a bigger deal purely out of the fact that its less frequent, and ofcourse its something larger groups of people can come together as countries to support. Clubs cant manage that. Never will.
Or maybe because it's an international event where every fan in an entire country rallies around one team and it's played for national pride?
GOOOOOOOAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT FUCKS UP MY FANTASY TEAM BUT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!! SAMARASSSSSSSSSS
WWOOOOTTT just saying i called that.... when u have constant control you get really lazy and so focused on O that you are really susceptable to counters... i am a German fan, but also love rooting for the underdog... Good game inc.
SSOOO sad i promised to take my sister to the movies this afternoon =..( i guess ill check the score later. enjoy all
I hope Löw doesn't consider fielding Müller/PodolskiGomez now. Klose looks out of sorts, but Schürrle and Reus are fine. Replace Schweinsteiger already.
On June 23 2012 05:04 Copymizer wrote: lmao the danish commentator here i quote "Greek cheers and celebrations, pictures and emotions that is a rare sight in greece these days" xD
Norwegian commentator said exactly the same thing xD
On June 23 2012 05:04 Copymizer wrote: lmao the danish commentator here i quote "Greek cheers and celebrations, pictures and emotions that is a rare sight in greece these days" xD
Norwegian commentator said exactly the same thing xD
hahaha love you my scandinavian brother
sick goal by khedira i literally went oooooojjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj er du sindsyg!
On June 23 2012 05:12 NuclearJudas wrote: Why sub Shürrle? He's been great. Sub Reus instead.
What game are you watching? He played TERRIBLE!
btw game is boring as hell!
Like yesterday as well. Greece is just not good enough to be in the quarter finals
that's what people said 8 years ago
Actually no they didnt, That team defended much much .. muchhhh better and had better strikers. Was more than a decent quarter team. They werent good enough to win it though. But riding a bit of luck in the semi and the final isnt to ridiculous to believe.
On June 23 2012 05:19 Jinsho wrote: ahahahaha yeah go on tell us more about how to staff a football team, guy from Serbia, your team hasnt even qualified
I cheer for England then :D Anyways, we kicked Gers on WC, enough for me
damn german is so fucking good! im excited to see what spain will show and what their thoughts on germany is after this match. the clash will hopefully be amazing ^^
Its disgrace that Germany has so many foreigners in their squad.
They are all born in germany! Özil is born in Gelsenkirchen, Boateng is born in Berlin, Gomez is born in Riedlingen and Khedira is born in Fellbach-Oeffingen.
Its disgrace that Germany has so many foreigners in their squad.
They are all born in germany! Özil is born in Gelsenkirchen, Boateng is born in Berlin, Gomez is born in Riedlingen and Khedira is born in Fellbach-Oeffingen.
how about Podolski and Klose?
it doesnt matter anyway because basically, there are "foreigners" in every team. and thats nothing bad imo...
Its disgrace that Germany has so many foreigners in their squad.
They are all born in germany! Özil is born in Gelsenkirchen, Boateng is born in Berlin, Gomez is born in Riedlingen and Khedira is born in Fellbach-Oeffingen.
how about Podolski and Klose?
it doesnt matter anyway because basically, there are "foreigners" in every team. and thats nothing bad imo...
Podolski has been in Germany since he was two and Klose's father is German (he's also spent the vast majority of his life in Germany).
so just something pretty much unrelated to the game itself. i noticed how the atmosphere at this tournament so far has been really bad, even compared to south africa, where you could only hear vuvuzelas, but at least you heard sth. this cups games for the most part have been real quiet. even today, where i can imagine there being tons of german fans, since gdansk is relatively close to germany. only after the 4-1 people started constantly singing, its sth im not used to, because its pretty much mandatory to sing all the time, or just make any kind of noise, to support your own team, most importantly when theyre playing bad or falling behind. anybody else feeling the same, or is it just me?
On June 23 2012 05:35 Zyte wrote: Poor decision, but whatever.
It felt like it'd have hit his body anyway. Kind of weird, there's been many much clearer penalties called. However I guess the ball was heading towards the goal and that could have an effect too
On June 23 2012 05:36 Jinsho wrote: Soldarity goal from the ref. Germany didn't mind. You know, the ones with lots of goals have to share with the ones who don't have as much.
Sort of like with the euro? The one with loads of euro doesn't mind sharing... or does he?
On June 23 2012 05:33 [DUF]MethodMan wrote: so just something pretty much unrelated to the game itself. i noticed how the atmosphere at this tournament so far has been really bad, even compared to south africa, where you could only hear vuvuzelas, but at least you heard sth. this cups games for the most part have been real quiet. even today, where i can imagine there being tons of german fans, since gdansk is relatively close to germany. only after the 4-1 people started constantly singing, its sth im not used to, because its pretty much mandatory to sing all the time, or just make any kind of noise, to support your own team, most importantly when theyre playing bad or falling behind. anybody else feeling the same, or is it just me?
To be honest i do, but i think it's because there's just less people watching, less talking about it. Most of my friends are gone or stopped caring so i kinda just watch alone with no one to talk for hours the next day about it. Maybe that's what you're actually feeling too?
Schürle wasn't great but still better than podolski. Start with Götze or kroos instead and sub Boateng for Bender Maybe. Overall Germany played really well, by far our best Game thus far and possibly the best any Team played this Euro.
On June 23 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote: I don't know, I feel like German doesn't have a good left winger. Reus, Ozil and Mueller (their three best) are right wingers.
You have no idea. Pls don't post if you have no idea what you are talking about. Özil never played Right...
On June 23 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote: I don't know, I feel like German doesn't have a good left winger. Reus, Ozil and Mueller (their three best) are right wingers.
I root for england vs germany but wouldnt mind if italy wins against the brits to get revenge for 2006 ahaha Ger for Championship ( realistically Spain has a slight edge) GOOOO GERMANY
On June 23 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote: I don't know, I feel like German doesn't have a good left winger. Reus, Ozil and Mueller (their three best) are right wingers.
You have no idea. Pls don't post if you have no idea what you are talking about. Özil never played Right...
Not sure if serious...
Anyway, well done Germany! Start Muller and Gomez again though please!
On June 23 2012 05:19 Jinsho wrote: ahahahaha yeah go on tell us more about how to staff a football team, guy from Serbia, your team hasnt even qualified
I cheer for England then :D Anyways, we kicked Gers on WC, enough for me
so you do not cheer for germany because of these "foreign" players, yet you cheer for england then. bravo. no racism intended.
What a game xD finished off watching in the pub, cant help but say was a slight cheer when Greece equalised Lahm > Reus > Samaras > Khederia > Klose > Pen Order i put them in for quality
On June 23 2012 05:15 Nawe wrote: Its disgrace that Germany has so many foreigners in their squad. I so much hope Greeks can win this
Who exactly are you talking about? The only players who weren't born in Germany are Podolski and Klose, but they live in Germany since childhood and had grandparents or parents with German citizenship before moving to Germany.
On June 23 2012 06:02 sharkie wrote: I don't know, I feel like German doesn't have a good left winger. Reus, Ozil and Mueller (their three best) are right wingers.
You have no idea. Pls don't post if you have no idea what you are talking about. Özil never played Right...
So happy we won Schweinsteiger has to up his game next match or he has to be subbed. He was horrible. Thank god Khedira plays like a beast, best German player this EC so far.
On June 23 2012 05:15 Nawe wrote: Its disgrace that Germany has so many foreigners in their squad. I so much hope Greeks can win this
Who exactly are you talking about? The only players who weren't born in Germany are Podolski and Klose, but they live in Germany since childhood and had grandparents or parents with German citizenship before moving to Germany.
And why is it a disgrace?
I don't see anything wrong with it either I actually find it weirder if someone like ozil would play for turkey. He's lived in Germany all his life and when he can show that he enjoyed great prosperity in Germany he would decide to Play for turkey who gave him nothing except being the place his parents were born. Integration like ozil does is only a good sign for whatever reason he does it.
my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
Please do tell how that can be interpreted as a clear goal scoring oppurtunity ?
Im all for the fact that people do whine to much about refs but thats inevitable and not a big deal. That having been said that was just a consolation call.
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move
Accidentally if it's in an unnatural position, also if it blocks a possible goal.
The ball was pretty much heading towards the goal.
(Though I think the call was a bit weak but you can have some arguments for it as well)
On June 23 2012 09:32 Harris1st wrote: my bet was 4:1 and then the ref happened.... seriously? penalty? he didn't even see the ball nor did he make any movement that could be seen as on purpose....
cause of that f****** penalty i lost 10$ where i could have won 280$
Its always penalty if you block a possible goal with your arm, on purpose or not.
People blame referees too much on this forum, and 90% of the time the referees were right
That's nonsense. The rules explicitely state that it's only an offense if the ball is handled deliberately, see page 34 of the Laws of the game (at fifa.com) and page 113 of Interpretation of the laws of the game (at fifa.com) (both page numbers at top of page, not PDF page numbers). Complaining that others don't know the rules when you don't know them yourself is not a good move
Accidentally if it's in an unnatural position, also if it blocks a possible goal.
The ball was pretty much heading towards the goal.
(Though I think the call was a bit weak but you can have some arguments for it as well)
Afaik the possibility of a goal is only important to determine the punishment. See Suarez - it was an obvious goal - so he was sent off. If you use a hand to gain an advantage (hard to define) it's a yellow - like those tactical fouls.
I think the penalty can be given since the armposition wasnt natural. That means - he deliberately put his arm there - so he deliberatly handled the ball. He didnt have his arms behind his back (or at his side) - that would be the only way to be save.
My problem though is - if that was the game deciding penalty - I'd be mad as hell. Because the refs let sooo many other happen without consequences that it's a very harsh decision. Samaras would've been sent of within the first 15min of the game with the same standard. Overall not many games would end with 11vs11 with such harsh interpretation of the rules (elbow usage during headers, pulling shirts, agressive fouls, ...). You can send off players & give out penalties at basically every single corner & free kick if you strictly follow the rules.
Afaik the possibility of a goal is only important to determine the punishment.
This. If the ref thought that it was a clear goal opportunity, he would have been obliged to send him off, if it was deliberately. If it was accidential, then there's no punishment at all.
I think the penalty can be given since the armposition wasnt natural. That means - he deliberately put his arm there - so he deliberatly handled the ball. He didnt have his arms behind his back (or at his side) - that would be the only way to be save.
He was mid-jump (and pretty much noone holds their arms behind their back or at their side while jumping), and the arm did not move towards the ball as far as I could see. Sure, this does not fall into the "completely wrong" category, but it's questionable.
stop arguing about the penalty. it was simply a pity- call for greece by the referee. if it had been a tight game he would not have given the penalty. he gave the penalty, because he knew that germany would not blame the referee because it was 4:1, 88th minute at that time. on the other hand the greek press would have criticised him if he had not given the penalty. if we look how viktor kassai and wolfgang stark were criticised by the media of croatia and ukraine, he just did not want himself to be exposed to that, so he made the call.
Hmm i think it was a penalty and the ref made the right call. Not that it really matters. Good game overall by our team. Don't know what happened with Schweinsteiger though. He gave the ball away way too often imo. Happy for Khedira. He really deserved the goal.
Watched the rerun while playing LoL again and Khedira and Reus's goals were so beastly <3 I think we're finally ready for another title after 1990 and countless 3rd places/semifinals. Hopefully silly Espaniol wont deny us the dream again in the finals, I think this time I might cry. Not worried about italy or England :D:D
On June 23 2012 19:36 AsnSensation wrote: Watched the rerun while playing LoL again and Khedira and Reus's goals were so beastly <3 I think we're finally ready for another title after 1990 and countless 3rd places/semifinals. Hopefully silly Espaniol wont deny us the dream again in the finals, I think this time I might cry. Not worried about italy or England :D:D
Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain.
German coach Loew is hilarious. ''Greece is a curious team. They had one chance and scored two goals,'' Germany coach Joachim Loew said. ''But we didn't get nervous after 1-1, and the goals came.'' That made my day haha
never saw a so bad game from schweinsteiger in my entire life ... he was ok in all he did expect he make 4 BIG chances for greece by PASSING THEM THE BALL ... damn schweinsteiger ... same vs spain and its 4 enemy goals
edit: at the right winger discussion, özil is middle so he never plays right, its müller, reus and perhaps götze on the right side (götze more middle like özil) and on the left there is podolski schürle and also reus and götze can play there so there are more left then right wingers just from the point no one normaly overcome müller on his normal skilllevel.
podolski is btw a GREAT winger normaly ... no see point to flame him at all
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain.
His point is that despite playing as badly as you say he did he still affected more goals and played a more instrumental part in running the game offensively than anyone else on the pitch.
So what if its Greece. Its a quarterfinalist team that was sitting 1-1 at some point. Take it seriously and give him credit. People so hard to please. Literally the summary here..
Ozil is sucking because ...
A) Greece sucks, playing well against them is meaningless because he missed a shot or 2. That should laikkkk never happen. Way to disrespect an opponent. They may not have the same quality as you but they are still worth their salt and their place in the knockouts.
B) Being better than Greek players is worthless. addendum to A.
C) He plays in Spain and they give you special "whine at referee" classes.(paraphrasing) rather than practice football.
I can see how hes off 100 percent. Its very clear to me based on that. (Hes not playing his best sure, but that doesnt mean hes not doing well).
podolski is btw a GREAT winger normaly ... no see point to flame him at all
Hell yeah ! I always thought he does a great job (at least regarding his performances in the national team, its a lot harder to look good when you play for cologne :D).
One thing that I really like with podolski in the national team is his great defensive work, when its needed. He is just an overall really good player who fits well into Löws overall plan.
Thank you José Mourinho for turning two very good players into absolute world class. Cannot even believe how good Khedira has become (Top 3 easily) and although Özil can play alot better i still believe he will shine again like he does in madrid sooner or later (especially without Gomez). In Germany many people said that they would not stand a chance in Madrid and would just sit on the bench. Eat it and Buuurrrn! :D
On June 23 2012 23:04 JoelB wrote: Thank you José Mourinho for turning two very good players into absolute world class. Cannot even believe how good Khedira has become (Top 3 easily) and although Özil can play alot better i still believe he will shine again like he does in madrid sooner or later (especially without Gomez). In Germany many people said that they would not stand a chance in Madrid and would just sit on the bench. Eat it and Buuurrrn! :D
Khedira plays slightly better and Özil plays slightly worse than in the Worldcup 2010 so far. Both played really well back then, so I don't think you have to thank Mourinho for any improvement, only for the fact that he didn't put them on the bench.
On June 23 2012 23:04 JoelB wrote: Thank you José Mourinho for turning two very good players into absolute world class. Cannot even believe how good Khedira has become (Top 3 easily) and although Özil can play alot better i still believe he will shine again like he does in madrid sooner or later (especially without Gomez). In Germany many people said that they would not stand a chance in Madrid and would just sit on the bench. Eat it and Buuurrrn! :D
Khedira plays slightly better and Özil plays slightly worse than in the Worldcup 2010 so far. Both played really well back then, so I don't think you have to thank Mourinho for any improvement, only for the fact that he didn't put them on the bench.
Well Khedira has become alot more mature in his play i feel ... he is not "just" a solid defensive midfielder anymore
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain.
His point is that despite playing as badly as you say he did he still affected more goals and played a more instrumental part in running the game offensively than anyone else on the pitch.
So what if its Greece. Its a quarterfinalist team that was sitting 1-1 at some point. Take it seriously and give him credit. People so hard to please. Literally the summary here..
Ozil is sucking because ...
A) Greece sucks, playing well against them is meaningless because he missed a shot or 2. That should laikkkk never happen. Way to disrespect an opponent. They may not have the same quality as you but they are still worth their salt and their place in the knockouts.
B) Being better than Greek players is worthless. addendum to A.
C) He plays in Spain and they give you special "whine at referee" classes.(paraphrasing) rather than practice football.
I can see how hes off 100 percent. Its very clear to me based on that. (Hes not playing his best sure, but that doesnt mean hes not doing well).
I never said he played bad wtf. Read before make such a comment. I know Özil waaay better than you. Yes, sounds arrogant but that's a fact cause I'm german and a fan of Werder Bremen where he played before going to Real. That's why I know what he's able of doing on the pitch. He played average for his skills.
I didn't discredit Greece. I said they played a good tournament. But all the other teams which are still in are better. If you think that's not true...I can't help you.
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain.
His point is that despite playing as badly as you say he did he still affected more goals and played a more instrumental part in running the game offensively than anyone else on the pitch.
So what if its Greece. Its a quarterfinalist team that was sitting 1-1 at some point. Take it seriously and give him credit. People so hard to please. Literally the summary here..
Ozil is sucking because ...
A) Greece sucks, playing well against them is meaningless because he missed a shot or 2. That should laikkkk never happen. Way to disrespect an opponent. They may not have the same quality as you but they are still worth their salt and their place in the knockouts.
B) Being better than Greek players is worthless. addendum to A.
C) He plays in Spain and they give you special "whine at referee" classes.(paraphrasing) rather than practice football.
I can see how hes off 100 percent. Its very clear to me based on that. (Hes not playing his best sure, but that doesnt mean hes not doing well).
I never said he played bad wtf. Read before make such a comment. I know Özil waaay better than you. Yes, sounds arrogant but that's a fact cause I'm german and a fan of Werder Bremen where he played before going to Real. That's why I know what he's able of doing on the pitch. He played average for his skills.
I didn't discredit Greece. I said they played a good tournament. But all the other teams which are still in are better. If you think that's not true...I can't help you.
Perhaps that was a poor choice of words. My bad, you can just replace that with 'if hes not playing as well as your saying he is'. Same idea really.
I dont think it was an average performance at all. It was a very good performance. He looked pretty good to me he had some poor moments but again this expectation that he needed to absolutely destroy Greece or theres no way he can do well against other teams is pretty farcical. He played upto a level that was needed. So did Germany and theres so many intangibles when it comes to opponents and theres different ways to play against them.
Other teams are better than Greece, yes but its not like they are neccesarily harder nuts to crack. (Sureplaying from behind they arent a good team and it became easier. Everyone knows that) Which is his primary responsibility. And he and the Germans in general did it well, and they played as well as Ive seen them play.
Chances get missed, people make mistakes thats the nature of the game and of a footballer. Point is the scoreline tells you they took some.
Otherwise 8-9 scorelines would be a regular occurrence. Its not as easy as it looks even for them. Its just nitpicking to look for stuff like that on what was a really really good game. Whether the reason be dislike or arrogance its just meh.. a poor way to put it.
On June 23 2012 20:28 KiNGxXx wrote: Only two things that weren't good: -the lack of goals in the first half -too slow paced game at the beginning of the second half
But good to see we're winning relatively easy so far with only playing with like 80% what we can play. Especially Özil had 4 average games so far. He is so much better than this. Other teams had or would have way more problems with greece (gratz for a good tournament btw).
Oh, and funny to read some comments of (mostly) english users who never missed any chance to say something bad about our team. Let's see what you got today. But if I would be in your position I would prefer a close defeat vs Italy over a total disaster vs Germany next week
özil had 2 assists this game + assisted Klose's assist for reus.
Your point? He slowed down the game, he missed many chances very poorly (damn, those shots very so bad), he didn't go into a lot 1vs1 situations. It wasn't a bad game but he is faaaar away from his 100% performance. Ofc he's still better that every greece player but this don't help us vs better opponents. Oh, and he is talking to the refs all the fucking time. Guess he learnd that in spain.
His point is that despite playing as badly as you say he did he still affected more goals and played a more instrumental part in running the game offensively than anyone else on the pitch.
So what if its Greece. Its a quarterfinalist team that was sitting 1-1 at some point. Take it seriously and give him credit. People so hard to please. Literally the summary here..
Ozil is sucking because ...
A) Greece sucks, playing well against them is meaningless because he missed a shot or 2. That should laikkkk never happen. Way to disrespect an opponent. They may not have the same quality as you but they are still worth their salt and their place in the knockouts.
B) Being better than Greek players is worthless. addendum to A.
C) He plays in Spain and they give you special "whine at referee" classes.(paraphrasing) rather than practice football.
I can see how hes off 100 percent. Its very clear to me based on that. (Hes not playing his best sure, but that doesnt mean hes not doing well).
I never said he played bad wtf. Read before make such a comment. I know Özil waaay better than you. Yes, sounds arrogant but that's a fact cause I'm german and a fan of Werder Bremen where he played before going to Real. That's why I know what he's able of doing on the pitch. He played average for his skills.
I didn't discredit Greece. I said they played a good tournament. But all the other teams which are still in are better. If you think that's not true...I can't help you.
Perhaps that was a poor choice of words. My bad, you can just replace that with 'if hes not playing as well as your saying he is'. Same idea really.
I dont think it was an average performance at all. It was a very good performance. He looked pretty good to me he had some poor moments but again this expectation that he needed to absolutely destroy Greece or theres no way he can do well against other teams is pretty farcical. He played upto a level that was needed. So did Germany and theres so many intangibles when it comes to opponents and theres different ways to play against them.
Dont sweat it, he's a typical german who needs to critizise to feel good.
Fact of the matter is, Özil was good. Except some crackerbarrel-nationaltrainers, almost everyone is saying that Özil did well. And yes, he did. The worst "grade" (we tend to give grades to our players after matches) he received was a 3. Mostly you just see 1,5 - 2. Which is good in every way. And thats from people who "know" Özil even better than he does (journalists, other players etc).
To be blunt, there were just two "underachieving" players, which were Schweinsteiger, and sadly, Schürrle. Yes he did not fail in his role, but neither was he dangerous, nor really relevant. But they are not bad players, they just had a bad match (well in case of Schürrle, i guess his nerves and inexperience are more of an explanation). Boateng kinda brainfarted at the 1-1, but he made it up with the flank to Khedira. All in all, they showed good football, i feel proud for that team (and that match). Yes, there was a phase in which we slipped, we got punished for it (1-1) - and woke up again.
Its actually really sad that Müller in a pressconference said "i guess, even if we take the whole tournament, we (the team) still have to be ashamed for our work". Not exactly quoted, just out of my head. And it is. Alot of criticism, after almost every game.. Kinda not deserved for a team that won 15 competetive games in a row (world record broken against greece).
Leave beautiful football up to spain and brazil and whatnot, dont care if we dont look as good as a ballet-dancing team as long as we win. And we do.
On June 23 2012 20:49 don_kyuhote wrote: German coach Loew is hilarious. ''Greece is a curious team. They had one chance and scored two goals,'' Germany coach Joachim Loew said. ''But we didn't get nervous after 1-1, and the goals came.'' That made my day haha
I don't feel that way at all. I think Loew's opinion about Greece was very disrespecting.
He also said that Greece made 3 goals from only 3 chances in their group stage matches. This is so not true and pretty insulting to a team who has fought back so hard after being behind in their matches, Greece created a lot of opportunities, even against Germany (with the help of Schweinsteiger and Badstuber).
On June 23 2012 23:04 JoelB wrote: Thank you José Mourinho for turning two very good players into absolute world class. Cannot even believe how good Khedira has become (Top 3 easily) and although Özil can play alot better i still believe he will shine again like he does in madrid sooner or later (especially without Gomez). In Germany many people said that they would not stand a chance in Madrid and would just sit on the bench. Eat it and Buuurrrn! :D
Khedira plays slightly better and Özil plays slightly worse than in the Worldcup 2010 so far. Both played really well back then, so I don't think you have to thank Mourinho for any improvement, only for the fact that he didn't put them on the bench.
Well Khedira has become alot more mature in his play i feel ... he is not "just" a solid defensive midfielder anymore
Have to agree. Khedira has seen a lot of growth at Madrid, he has become such an amazing all-round player. It helps being one of Mourinho's favorite players
On June 23 2012 20:49 don_kyuhote wrote: German coach Loew is hilarious. ''Greece is a curious team. They had one chance and scored two goals,'' Germany coach Joachim Loew said. ''But we didn't get nervous after 1-1, and the goals came.'' That made my day haha
I don't feel that way at all. I think Loew's opinion about Greece was very disrespecting.
He also said that Greece made 3 goals from only 3 chances in their group stage matches. This is so not true and pretty insulting to a team who has fought back so hard after being behind in their matches, Greece created a lot of opportunities, even against Germany (with the help of Schweinsteiger and Badstuber).
You know, a team that will always score 3 goals out of 3 chances will be freaking great =).
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