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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.indiastudychannel.com/attachments/Resources/147419-141121-euro_2012.jpg) Portugal vs The Netherlands ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/flags/50x50/POR.png) vs ![[image loading]](http://img.uefa.com/imgml/flags/50x50/NED.png) 1st half is over and no LR thread yet. Please use it for the second half After the first half. Group B look like this Germany 7points GS: 4 GA:2 GD:+2 Portugal 4 points GS:4 GA:4 GD:0 Denmark 4points GS:4 GA:4 GD:0 The Netherlands  GS:2 GA:4 GD:-2 If this stands, Germany and Portugal will go through. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 04:38 CoR wrote: cause even if netherlands win, germany denmark just tie and go trough both xD Or Portugal win and Germany draw, Portugal will go through. This game is much more interesting than Denmark vs Germany though. Holland is really lucky not to concede another goal in the first half. | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On June 18 2012 04:40 Caphe wrote: Or Portugal win and Germany draw, Portugal will go through. This game is much more interesting than Denmark vs Germany though. Holland is really lucky not to concede another goal in the first half. Haven't watched much of it, but CR7 seems to work a lot, having a lot more space than during the first two matches | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17961 Posts
Anyway, as it stands Denmark doesn't depend on Holland to go through: if they just beat Germany and Holland ties with Portugal, they're through to the next round (as first in the group, in fact!) | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On June 18 2012 04:41 DragoonTT wrote: Haven't watched much of it, but CR7 seems to work a lot, having a lot more space than during the first two matches He has some confidence today | ||
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Mastermyth
Netherlands207 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On June 18 2012 04:46 Mastermyth wrote: You know your defense is bad when Ronaldo starts scoring in a major tournament. Haha lol so true he never scores XD | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Ronaldo actually played quite good this game, give him some credit . | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
On June 18 2012 04:55 Telcontar wrote: Portugal are as bad as Spain if not worse. At least the spanish get up after getting the foul. The portuguese players seem to particularly savour milking it. Southern european teams at their finest... | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Ghostcom
Denmark4782 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17961 Posts
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Robje
Netherlands1044 Posts
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:10 Acrofales wrote: Well... that's interesting. Willemse was having a tough game, but pulling off Nani's defender and playing an attacker sounds like an invitation to have the right flank waltzed down like it's a highway... which so far only Ronaldo was doing on the left. Netherlands now playing with Huntelaar, vPersie, vdVaart, Sneijder, Robben and Afellay? | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain17961 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:11 DragoonTT wrote: Netherlands now playing with Huntelaar, vPersie, vdVaart, Sneijder, Robben and Afellay? And still unable to create a single clear goal opportunity, yes. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Switchy
343 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:13 Acrofales wrote: And still unable to create a single clear goal opportunity, yes. Wait for that 90 minute Holland allin and than Portugal score the 2nd with a counter attack | ||
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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Asshat
593 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
2-1!!!!!! | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:15 mememolly wrote: Ronaldo is in beast mode This tend to happen if you are allin as Holland is doing now when Portugal has 2 of the fastest winger in the world right now Ronaldo and Nani, one counter attack and you are dead | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Was never looking likely before the game since they were going to let atleast 1 in and then it just becomes night impossible, Portugal has been really solid this tournament. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:19 divinesage wrote: Holland's really lacking tons of presence at the back. They play with 3 defenders now. | ||
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Kring
Portugal70 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:20 Derez wrote: Only good player on the dutch side is Stekelenburg. Last match for the Dutch team this tournament, last national match for van Marwijk/Van Bommel ever. In van Marwijk's defence, he couldn't have done much more. At some point it's up to the players and they have been horrible every game so far. And everyone was saying Hunterlaar and Van Persie should play together but they have had about 10% of the chances so far as in the previous 2 games so it doesn't seem to work either. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:21 Caphe wrote: Is this the worst performance of Holland in an EURO? Score only one goal and lose all 3 games? 2 goals but doesn't make it much better | ||
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Censured
Czech Republic1060 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Brow23
Germany105 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:20 Derez wrote: Only good player on the dutch side is Stekelenburg. Last match for the Dutch team this tournament, last national match for van Marwijk/Van Bommel ever. I would trade VdV for Podolski in a heartbeat! :p | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:21 Caphe wrote: Is this the worst performance of Holland in an EURO? Score only one goal and lose all 3 games? Worst performance since 1984, where we didn't qualify. Worst performance ever when we did qualify. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:25 tree.hugger wrote: I can stomach losses; I know the Dutch aren't the only good team, and that it's natural for the other guys to win some. But this whole EURO has just showed a phenomenal lack of effort by the Dutch, it's unbelievable. Nobody wants to run, nobody wants to pass, nobody has any new ideas or feels any urgency to think of them. After that first Portugal goal, you just saw the Dutch give up completely. Disgraceful performance. I'm just shocked that this is (largely) the same squad that got to the WC final 2 years go. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:28 Telcontar wrote: I'm just shocked that this is (largely) the same squad that got to the WC final 2 years go. Van Bronckhorst ! | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
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Pika Chu
Romania2510 Posts
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:31 SoulSever wrote: RvP worst player at Euro. You're joking right? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:31 SoulSever wrote: RvP worst player at Euro. It's not like Huntelaar is bringing anything to the table this match either. (And yes, RvP has been nothing but a disaster in our national team. Same 2 years ago.) | ||
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
Only positive thing about this game, is that now I know there is another team like colombia with no cojones that dont sweat their shirts and give it all in the pitch lol WTF? they look like they dont even try? where is the garra?? the cojones?? the wanting to win!!? | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:25 Derez wrote: Worst performance since 1984, where we didn't qualify. Worst performance ever when we did qualify. Yep, I guess it is and what I meant is worst performance in the main EURO tourney. With such good players, this result is very very dissapointing. Players and the coach all need to do some serious thinking here. Holland plays with too many "lazy" players with low work rate really hurt them. Someone like Kuyt would have been much better than Affelay(who played like 120 mins the whole season at Barcelona). | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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mAKiTO
Colombia4171 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:33 Caphe wrote: Yep, I guess it is and what I meant is worst performance in the main EURO tourney. With such good players, this result is very very dissapointing. Players and the coach all need to do some serious thinking here. Holland plays with too many "lazy" players with low work rate really hurt them. Someone like Kuyt would have been much better than Affelay(who played like 120 mins the whole season at Barcelona). Agree, Kuyt is prob the only one who goes all in all the time | ||
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:31 Pika Chu wrote: Man, Ronaldo's having one of his finest tonight. 2 goals 2 saved by goalie 2 post hits Fantastic night for him | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:31 SoulSever wrote: RvP worst player at Euro. Nah, no one can play alone without support even if you are Messi/Ronaldo. Holland is like 11 individual not a team -_- and with a bad coach. | ||
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ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:33 Caphe wrote: Yep, I guess it is and what I meant is worst performance in the main EURO tourney. With such good players, this result is very very dissapointing. Players and the coach all need to do some serious thinking here. Holland plays with too many "lazy" players with low work rate really hurt them. Someone like Kuyt would have been much better than Affelay(who played like 120 mins the whole season at Barcelona). Imo the problem is that people like Kuyt, Van Bommel and Boulahrouz (to name a few) shouldn't have even been taken to this tournament. Kuyt was too old for the WC 2 years ago, let alone this tournament. Half our bench is filled with dinosaurs who add absolutely nothing. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Regardless, it is a disgrace and a tragedy that the complete pile of crap that is group A was able to exist, whilst 3 amazing teams were all thrown together into group B. How could that ever happen o.O... | ||
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DragoonTT
3398 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:34 Caphe wrote: Nah, no one can play alone without support even if you are Messi/Ronaldo. Holland is like 11 individual not a team -_- and with a bad coach. After this match, I don't think you can blame it on the coach any more. He fielded the exact team that Netherlands wanted him to field, against the weakest defense in the group, and they still got nothing done. Even more, they looked even more shaky defensively than during their other games. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:34 ZeromuS wrote: 2 goals 2 saved by goalie 2 post hits Fantastic night for him He played amazing tonight. If Portugal had their scoring boots on they would have massacred us. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:37 sc4k wrote: Hmm you do have to accept that Holland is one of the slowest good teams out there, and they do not match up well against a ridiculously pacey team like portugal. Portugal's defenders were faster than Holland's attackers. Great skilled players though, unfortunate. Regardless, it is a disgrace and a tragedy that the complete pile of crap that is group A was able to exist, whilst 3 amazing teams were all thrown together into group B. How could that ever happen o.O... Yeah that was due to Poland and Ukraine taking the #1 spot in two of the groups. But seeing how Holland played these games they wouldn't have fared much better in the other groups. On June 18 2012 05:39 Derez wrote: Ofcourse you can blame the coach. He's the guy that's in the end responsible for the overall result. The overall result is terrible and he won't be coach much longer. That doesn't chance the fact that everyone played like crap. There's only so much polishing you can do on a turd. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:37 DragoonTT wrote: After this match, I don't think you can blame it on the coach any more. He fielded the exact team that Netherlands wanted him to field, against the weakest defense in the group, and they still got nothing done. Even more, they looked even more shaky defensively than during their other games. Ofcourse you can blame the coach. He's the guy that's in the end responsible for the overall result. The overall result is terrible and he won't be coach much longer. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:38 Steveling wrote: I was saying shortly before euro starts, that holland doesn't have a key player, a high profile player that can take games on his own, you guys were saying otherwise. Well, what do you think now. Sneijder is usually that player, but he's been injured and in poor form for the majority of the season. | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:38 Steveling wrote: I was saying shortly before euro starts, that holland doesn't have a key player, a high profile player that can take games on his own, you guys were saying otherwise. Well, what do you think now. I think the problem is that they have too many of those players that have a huge ego and want to be the star/key player. What Holland lacks is a team or at least players that try to play as a team. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:41 Malaz wrote: I think the problem is that they have too many of those players that have a huge ego and want to be the star/key player. What Holland lacks is a team or at least players that try to play as a team. lol this year's Netherland = 2010's France? | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:37 DragoonTT wrote: After this match, I don't think you can blame it on the coach any more. He fielded the exact team that Netherlands wanted him to field, against the weakest defense in the group, and they still got nothing done. Even more, they looked even more shaky defensively than during their other games. Well, when you put your team at such situation with some serious flaw in selecting the lineup and play style. And ofc their defense is more shaky than the last two since Portugal is the one team that play attacking when Denmark and Germany turtle and hit the Dutch with surprise. Why he chose Affelay who is injured for a long time and only played a few games the whole 2011-2012 season in Barcelona to start 2 games in a row instead of VDV or Kuyt is really beyond me. Also start with 2 defensive midfield versus Denmark is also a very bad decision. On June 18 2012 05:41 Ysellian wrote: Sneijder is usually that player, but he's been injured and in poor form for the majority of the season. Actually Sneijder is one of the few Dutch players that performed well. That 1st game vs Denmark he got alot of good pass but RVP and Huntelaar waste them all. Also, Sneijder is a creative playmaker so you need someone like Kuyt to do the running and tackling for him so he can create more chances. Playing with 3 creative but fragile midfield(Affelay, Robben, Sneijder) plus 2 that only known for destroy others team legs(De Jong, Van Bommel) is quite meh -_-. | ||
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mcimba42
192 Posts
brilliant, simply brilliant play | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:46 mcimba42 wrote: another crushing performance from the greatest team in this tournament brilliant, simply brilliant play More like another crushing performance from the WC runner up | ||
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peacenl
550 Posts
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mcimba42
192 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:47 don_kyuhote wrote: More like another crushing performance from the WC runner up yes they crushed hard by going 0-3 they are a shame to football | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
the Dutch? zero... | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:46 mcimba42 wrote: another crushing performance from the greatest team in this tournament brilliant, simply brilliant play Not sure if sarcasm Oo' | ||
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jxx
Brazil307 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:46 mcimba42 wrote: another crushing performance from the greatest team in this tournament brilliant, simply brilliant play Uh.. no? Man this is a sad day, I always thought Netherlands had one of the strongest teams, but after today, I can only think of change. Either new players or a new coach or whatever, but staying the same just isn't gonna cut it anymore. | ||
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spacer
Netherlands2786 Posts
Next year, we'll hopefully have a new coach and a new team, because this one just doesn't work at all. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:59 Malinor wrote: Ah well, I was hoping for Denmark or Netherlands to advance, I don't like Portugal too much. But just reading the names of the dutch players (especially on offense) and then realize they go out with zero points is totally crazy. Holland is just a master in wasting potential. Though to be fair, their defense this tournament was just laughable bad. Be sure to send a mail to the ref for that penalty on Bendtner... | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Using VB and DJ against Denmark is stupid. VdV even played well at CMid with some defensive responsabilities in the past (against Italy remember?) and has the tactical knowledge to be responsible on both D and O. They ended up with a broken game flow and possession construction. Good for us, bad for them but Im still sad to see one of my favorite teams go. On June 18 2012 05:58 spacer wrote: This team deserved to lose hard after the first 2 matches and I'm glad they did. Next year, we'll hopefully have a new coach and a new team, because this one just doesn't work at all. I read that you guys were going to keep the manager no matter what. That was after the first game, maybe after two more losses things changed. I hope so, for the sake of good football | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:58 spacer wrote: This team deserved to lose hard after the first 2 matches and I'm glad they did. Next year, we'll hopefully have a new coach and a new team, because this one just doesn't work at all. I don't think you need to wait until next year for a new coach . As for players, some new defenders would be really nice since Netherlands got one of the best midfielders and strikers in the world already. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:03 daSilvaz wrote: Be sure to send a mail to the ref for that penalty on Bendtner... I actually missed that situation, and they didn't talk about that on german tv at all, and they normally don't just ignore things because of patriotism, so I reserve my judgement for when I see the scene, it would not be the first time that something is blown out of proportion on the internet. Regardless, I won't lose any sleep over that and I don't know how that is relevant to what I wrote. | ||
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:20 Malinor wrote: I actually missed that situation, and they didn't talk about that on german tv at all, and they normally don't just ignore things because of patriotism, so I reserve my judgement for when I see the scene, it would not be the first time that something is blown out of proportion on the internet. Regardless, I won't lose any sleep over that and I don't know how that is relevant to what I wrote. Just my reply to you as a portuguese | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
One of the more entertaining matches so far, especially first 20ish minutes. | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
So sad,but its not the end,ur fans da best,and became like a real brothers to us | ||
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Malinor
Germany4721 Posts
Ah, ok. I had that coming I guess. Though it is quite funny that I would root for Portugal in any other group, but I always root for Holland and scandinavian teams. Come to think of it, that group B really sucked, I wanted everyone to advance (just Portugal the least  ) | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Thanks guys and thanks Ronaldo for once again showing your skill! Sorry to see netherlands go, because it's one of my favourite countries and team.. it's almost funny how he don't lose to you guys since 20 years ago, since you are so strong! today was a happy days! Obrigado rapazes | ||
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CallousCarter
United Kingdom81 Posts
Ronaldo played well today but i still think he is overrated, especially his speed he's not half as fast as people think. | ||
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BillClinton
232 Posts
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bObaZ
Portugal862 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:33 CallousCarter wrote: That Willelms is shit how is he the Dutch starting left back? He can't keep the ball and doesn't know where to stand. The dutch team didn't seem to know what they were doing this game, too many attacking players but nobody to control the middle of the pitch or supply all the players upfront. Bringing on Affelay for Willelms was a strange decision I know the kid is shit but bringing on a forward for the left back toppled an already unbalanced side. Ronaldo played well today but i still think he is overrated, especially his speed he's not half as fast as people think. Let me just start my post by saying that I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo very much, but that last sentence is just Wrong. Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest active football player without the ball! He's a perfect athlete.. | ||
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Stackz
Portugal43 Posts
Portugal played really well, special note for Pepe in the defense, A true giant, Nani in the the transitions, and today C.Ronaldo was almost a Striker... beautiful game by Portugal | ||
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Switchy
343 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:33 CallousCarter wrote: That Willelms is shit how is he the Dutch starting left back? He can't keep the ball and doesn't know where to stand. The dutch team didn't seem to know what they were doing this game, too many attacking players but nobody to control the middle of the pitch or supply all the players upfront. Bringing on Affelay for Willelms was a strange decision I know the kid is shit but bringing on a forward for the left back toppled an already unbalanced side. Ronaldo played well today but i still think he is overrated, especially his speed he's not half as fast as people think. First off i dont like Ronaldo much. Ronaldo scored over 50 goals this season for his club, I would not call that overrated. And yes Willems is not good enough yet, but he is only 18 so there is time to improve. | ||
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daSilvaz
809 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:07 bObaZ wrote: Let me just start my post by saying that I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo very much, but that last sentence is just Wrong. Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest active football player without the ball! He's a perfect athlete.. Are you crazy? Oo Where in the world is ronaldo faster than walcott? | ||
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:26 daSilvaz wrote: Are you crazy? Oo Where in the world is ronaldo faster than walcott? I guess that's the part about fastest active football player without the ball! Walcott sure can sprint with a ball - but without I've no idea if Ronaldo can outrun him. And even if Walcott was still faster. Ronaldo is still in the very top of how fast players can run | ||
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andReslic
216 Posts
Im glad Portugal Advances, now Im waiting for italy to do it. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
 That was a big morale booster. Relative international unknowns like Custódio, João Pereira, Miguel Veloso and Moutinho played superbly. I used to really dislike João Pereira in the beginning of his career but he has really matured. Great too that Ronaldo is back to his usual self. Looking forward to the next game. (Fun fact: Last 9 matches between Netherlands and Portugal: 3 ties, 6 wins for Portugal.) | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On June 18 2012 05:41 Malaz wrote: I think the problem is that they have too many of those players that have a huge ego and want to be the star/key player. What Holland lacks is a team or at least players that try to play as a team. Yeah, you could see after 30 minutes that they all hated each other too. Some of the looks Robben was shooting his teammates were pretty brutal | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:01 warding wrote: That was a big morale booster. Relative international unknowns like Custódio, João Pereira, Miguel Veloso and Moutinho played superbly. I used to really dislike João Pereira in the beginning of his career but he has really matured. Great too that Ronaldo is back to his usual self. Looking forward to the next game. (Fun fact: Last 9 matches between Netherlands and Portugal: 3 ties, 6 wins for Portugal.) Muoutinho, Pereira and Veloso are pretty well known :O. Well not compared to Ronaldo ..But thats just another reason why international tournaments are awesome. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
But if people read my older posts then this was expected months ago. People outside Holland might be surprised but most people that follow Dutch football expected this for quite a while. Almost the entire team is not in shape / injured almost an entire season and they were boasting that they would be a big favorite for the title. I laughed hard and today people are surprised that they are out. I'm a big fan of Holland and I'm very passionate about our team normally and have had great expectations past 14 years but this time I was expecting Holland to disappoint greatly and they've proven me right and now I'm not really sad like I normally am when Holland gets kicked out of the tournament. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:58 sc4k wrote: I think of Ronaldo and Messi as Jaedong and Flash, I think the comparison has a lot of mileage. Yeah everyone knows Flash is better except Jaedong fans :p . | ||
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GhostOwl
766 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:24 Rebs wrote: Yeah everyone knows Flash is better except Jaedong fans :p . Even Jaedong fans admit Flash is better due to inherent race advantage. :D | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6204 Posts
On June 18 2012 08:06 SoulSever wrote: Yeah, you could see after 30 minutes that they all hated each other too. Some of the looks Robben was shooting his teammates were pretty brutal All this being a team bullshit. You play together you all want to win even if you dislike someone personally it shouldn't matter because they're the Players who will have to help you winning the cup. Just hate the other guys guts as long as you play well nobody will give a damn. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 18 2012 09:24 Rebs wrote: Yeah everyone knows Flash is better except Jaedong fans :p . my point is that they are both so insanely far out ahead of everyone else, it may be possible to say one is better than the other but it doesn't really matter because both of them light up the game more regularly and spectacularly than anyone else playing right now. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:31 sc4k wrote: my point is that they are both so insanely far out ahead of everyone else, it may be possible to say one is better than the other but it doesn't really matter because both of them light up the game more regularly and spectacularly than anyone else playing right now. yea it really doesnt .. | ||
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
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Kelberot
Brazil364 Posts
On June 18 2012 10:52 TheConquereer wrote: Iniesta and Xavi > Messi and Cristiano. and I'm sure this is an unbiased opinion, even though you're spanish. | ||
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don_kyuhote
3006 Posts
 On June 07 2012 08:32 Kinuzki wrote: Jokes aside, I hope Germany and the Netherlands make it out of Group B. Portugal's individuals are disgustingly over rated. On June 07 2012 21:32 MorpheusEU wrote: Denmark is way underrated whilst Portugal is way overrated. Only thing the Danes lack is a solid defense, whilst Portugal is consists of 2 individuals (Ronaldo and Nani) but isn't very good as a team. Netherlands and Germany should be the two advancing teams. Hope we'll win it all:D (we=Netherlands Bumblebee is a prophet! Talking about Netherland On June 05 2012 21:33 Bumblebee wrote: You are going to get smacked in your opening game! | ||
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TheConquereer
Spain183 Posts
On June 18 2012 12:03 Kelberot wrote: and I'm sure this is an unbiased opinion, even though you're spanish. Actually yes, its kinda unbiased because i hate barcelona :D Also i can say Maradona is the best player of all time, Ronaldo (Nazario) best striker and Buffon best active goalkeeper (yeah, not Casillas), im not biased towards Spain, i just watch them playing on my league and thats my opinion. | ||
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IshinShishi
Japan6156 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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popzags
Poland604 Posts
The only thing working in Oranjes was Van der Vaart and his long shots. Rest of the team should beg their supporters for forgiveness. Willems could've easily picked red card; Van der Wiel was CR's punching bag, Vlaar's skill made Jaap Stam's oldschool toughness look like pinnacle of genius; Sneijder had no idea who to play with; the only guy Arjen Robben got on well with was Arjen Robben; Huntelaar looked like extinct species and so, and so, and so on... Deserved 0 points and ticket home for those 11 individuals who only slightly rensembled a football team. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
Of course after that it all went downhill again. Looked like Netherlands where 1 of the worst teams conditioning wise and of course our defense is terrible. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 18 2012 14:27 TheConquereer wrote: Actually yes, its kinda unbiased because i hate barcelona :D Also i can say Maradona is the best player of all time, Ronaldo (Nazario) best striker and Buffon best active goalkeeper (yeah, not Casillas), im not biased towards Spain, i just watch them playing on my league and thats my opinion. no puedo contestar, can't argue, I was just considering the CR7 Messi comparisons to be honest. | ||
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Enchanted
United States1609 Posts
On June 18 2012 14:27 TheConquereer wrote: Actually yes, its kinda unbiased because i hate barcelona :D Also i can say Maradona is the best player of all time, Ronaldo (Nazario) best striker and Buffon best active goalkeeper (yeah, not Casillas), im not biased towards Spain, i just watch them playing on my league and thats my opinion. This is just.. what ? How could anyone call that drug addict the best player of all time... Forca Portugal ! We're gonna have a tough game against the Chech Republic but I know if we play well as a team we can win ! | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
Anyway, I've been wondering about this, if we'd put the winner of the Champion's League against Spain (for example), how would that go? | ||
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Stimp
South Africa780 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:31 Thorakh wrote: At least we played better than in the other two matches... Anyway, I've been wondering about this, if we'd put the winner of the Champion's League against Spain (for example), how would that go? Pretty much the CL semi final... | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:26 Megatronn wrote: This is just.. what ? How could anyone call that drug addict the best player of all time... Forca Portugal ! We're gonna have a tough game against the Chech Republic but I know if we play well as a team we can win ! Yea! I still consider Ronaldo the best player. The real Ronaldo, not this nancy from Portugal. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:31 Thorakh wrote: At least we played better than in the other two matches... Anyway, I've been wondering about this, if we'd put the winner of the Champion's League against Spain (for example), how would that go? Barcelona is probably better than Spanish national team anyway? Pretty much because of Messi lol. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 18 2012 20:31 Thorakh wrote: At least we played better than in the other two matches... Anyway, I've been wondering about this, if we'd put the winner of the Champion's League against Spain (for example), how would that go? National team almost has no chance against top clubs. Lets say Spain/Germany/Holland vs Barcelona/Real Madrid/ ManU(assume that you can duplicate player so clubs play at their full strenght) Because clubs are like all-star team with un-limit players pool and a nation has quite limited option. Just look at ManC, basically a team that have to fight for relegation but with alot of money they became the EPL champion in like 3 seasons. | ||
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CallousCarter
United Kingdom81 Posts
On June 18 2012 07:07 bObaZ wrote: Let me just start my post by saying that I don't like Cristiano Ronaldo very much, but that last sentence is just Wrong. Cristiano Ronaldo is the fastest active football player without the ball! He's a perfect athlete.. No he's not and you don't have a clue what you're talking about. There's lots of players out there who can run sub 11 100 metres, Ronaldo can't. Not that 100 metre speed matters, acceleration over short distances is more important in football, and Ronaldo isn't that quick in this department either, which is why you don't see him outright beat a player very often. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 18 2012 23:46 sc4k wrote: Barcelona is probably better than Spanish national team anyway? Pretty much because of Messi lol. It would still go the same way, but Spain would struggle even more to score if at all. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On June 18 2012 23:51 Caphe wrote: National team almost has no chance against top clubs. Lets say Spain/Germany/Holland vs Barcelona/Real Madrid/ ManU(assume that you can duplicate player so clubs play at their full strenght) Because clubs are like all-star team with un-limit players pool and a nation has quite limited option. Just look at ManC, basically a team that have to fight for relegation but with alot of money they became the EPL champion in like 3 seasons. I would favor the Spanish national team over ManCity any day. On June 19 2012 15:17 Rebs wrote: It would still go the same way, but Spain would struggle even more to score if at all. Just because Chelsea has beaten Barcelona last time doesn't mean they would be favourites if they would repeat the game right now. Ask the bookies. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:22 Maenander wrote: I would favor the Spanish national team over ManCity any day. Just because Chelsea has beaten Barcelona last time doesn't mean they would be favourites if they would repeat the game right now. Ask the bookies. I didnt say they wouldnt be favourites, I said they would struggle to score, and the current Spain will struggle to score, any team would. Believe me you wont find a bigger supporter of the way they play then me. Doesnt change the fact that putting it past a wall of 10 is hard, atleast without a Messi or more realistically a Villa. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On June 19 2012 16:31 Rebs wrote: I didnt say they wouldnt be favourites, I said they would struggle to score, and the current Spain will struggle to score, any team would. Believe me you wont find a bigger supporter of the way they play then me. Doesnt change the fact that putting it past a wall of 10 is hard, atleast without a Messi or more realistically a Villa. I see, I agree with you then. | ||
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sc4k
United Kingdom5454 Posts
Absolutely, I really think that Messi performing so well in Barca has obscured the fact that losing David Villa is horrific for them...well you can see that they didn't win the league but aside from that it plainly does harm Barca. Losing David Villa for the national team is even worse. Man, what a shitty pointless game to get your leg broken in as well. | ||
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