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Ponkio
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy52 Posts
June 25 2012 19:31 GMT
#221
As an italian, Italy is the underdog between the four semi-finalists but, as our captain said in an interview, one of our main abilities is to play close matches against anyone, it doesn't really matters if it's Spain or Ireland.

We have one of the best midfields in the tournament, with Marchisio and De Rossi who are acting as the lungs of the team, providing enormous help both in offense and defense, and with Pirlo and Montolivo who are playing the best football I've seen so far from them.

Our defense is pretty tight, with Bonucci who finally played flawlessly against England, Chiellini who is a beast, and Abate and Balzaretti who are playing at their best.

We lack strickers, but I really liked, as most Italians did, the last match from Balotelli, who finally played for the team and not for himself. I'm a bit concerned about Cassano, he's a champion but lacks speed and stamina, which against Germany are gonna be pretty much fundamental. I'd like to see Giovinco/Di Natale coupled with Mario.

Don't count us out just yet, we may not be the strongest team here, but we don't lack motivition and willpower
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
June 25 2012 19:47 GMT
#222
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...


World class is if you're making a 23 man team to represent earth to take on mars who would you take.

Portugal have one world class player -- Ronaldo.

Spain have Alonso, Xavi, Iniestea, Busquets, Silva, Fabregas, Pique, Casillas and Ramos who would all make my 23 man squad.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18524 Posts
June 25 2012 19:57 GMT
#223
On June 26 2012 04:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...


World class is if you're making a 23 man team to represent earth to take on mars who would you take.

Portugal have one world class player -- Ronaldo.

Spain have Alonso, Xavi, Iniestea, Busquets, Silva, Fabregas, Pique, Casillas and Ramos who would all make my 23 man squad.


Pique would make your 23 man squad? I pity your ignorance.
And S.Ramos = Pepe, their play style is like exactly the same.
mcimba42
Profile Joined October 2011
192 Posts
June 25 2012 20:05 GMT
#224
On June 26 2012 04:16 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 02:14 mcimba42 wrote:
On June 25 2012 16:48 Pika Chu wrote:
So right now we have 3 top notch teams, Italy, Germany and Spain who have similar chances of winning (sorry portugal but you're nowhere close to that)

I predict Spain easily marching over Portugal

Italy vs Germany can go either way

the worst thing about the euro/world cups is definitely the amount of clueless people who suddenly become interested in football for one month and say stuff like this

have you watched portugal and italy playing in this euro? portugal is playing much better than italy right now, i have no idea what the hell you're talking about.


Are you kidding me? Who did Portugal play? The netherlands who're not playing a thing? The big bad denmark? The czech republic who didn't even put up a fight? Or you remember how "good" they did against Germany, a good opponent?

Portugal's good but not even close to Italy imo. And if you're portuguese please don't be offended, it's just what i believe and i don't mix any emotion in it, if portugal wins i won't mind at all.

yes im sorry if only portugal had played vs strong teams such as ireland and whatever the other filler team was, its not like they were in the group of death or anything

also, italy's victory over england (penalties, after a whole game of nothing from both sides) was a much better showing than portugal's domination of czech republic

italy's doing great just wait till they win the whole thing bro
Aeroplaneoverthesea
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom1977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 20:24:30
June 25 2012 20:23 GMT
#225
On June 26 2012 04:57 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2012 04:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...


World class is if you're making a 23 man team to represent earth to take on mars who would you take.

Portugal have one world class player -- Ronaldo.

Spain have Alonso, Xavi, Iniestea, Busquets, Silva, Fabregas, Pique, Casillas and Ramos who would all make my 23 man squad.


Pique would make your 23 man squad? I pity your ignorance.
And S.Ramos = Pepe, their play style is like exactly the same.


Ramos would play at backup right back because there's almost no good right backs around anymore.

Pique is better than Pepe. Pepe is a complete loose cannon.

My four centre backs would be Vidic, Kompany, Thiago Silva and Pique with Chielini unlucky to miss out.
gasmeter
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom249 Posts
June 25 2012 20:24 GMT
#226
At this stage, I can't see how you can look past Germany, even with Spain still in the competition. Spain looked pretty ordinary in their last game, whereas Germany looked dominant and solid.
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Copymizer
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark2095 Posts
June 25 2012 20:31 GMT
#227
On June 26 2012 05:24 gasmeter wrote:
At this stage, I can't see how you can look past Germany, even with Spain still in the competition. Spain looked pretty ordinary in their last game, whereas Germany looked dominant and solid.

Agreed, spain hasn't impressed me much with their matches. i'm all over germany these days lol
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Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 20:32:10
June 25 2012 20:32 GMT
#228
Even Italy is more fun to watch than Spain. Wtf is going on these days ?

Go Germany.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
June 25 2012 20:58 GMT
#229
Coentrão and Meireles are really, really good players. Especially Coentrão who's doing an awesome job, and he isn't even playing where he is used to. Portugal team is kinda an ersatz of Italy, always underestimated. Against Spain, I can't say who will win, let's just say whoever between Ronaldo and Torres can break his curse will win the match.

And yeah Italy probably has one of the best football for viewers.
Like Netherlands, but with real tactics, both in offense and defense.
It's just nearly all of the teams during this Euro think they're playing rugby and try to score as many drops as they can. :p
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
June 25 2012 21:12 GMT
#230
Portugal and Italy have really grown in this tournament. Before the start of the tournament I don't think many people considered either side as a potential finalist, but that has certainly changed a bit. I still think we'll be getting a Germany - Spain final with Spain edging it.
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
June 25 2012 22:13 GMT
#231
I honestly see the two underdogs making it to the semi-finals. Also on Rightbacks I think Abate is a really really good right back.
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2288 Posts
June 25 2012 22:50 GMT
#232
On June 26 2012 04:47 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...


World class is if you're making a 23 man team to represent earth to take on mars who would you take.

Portugal have one world class player -- Ronaldo.

Spain have Alonso, Xavi, Iniestea, Busquets, Silva, Fabregas, Pique, Casillas and Ramos who would all make my 23 man squad.


lol... Alonso, Busquests, Silva, Fabregas and Pique... are just a bunch of overrated players just because they are teammates of Xavi, Iniesta and Casillas. i can name like 3 or 4 players equal or even better at their respective positions.
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Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 25 2012 22:55 GMT
#233
On June 25 2012 16:52 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 16:40 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...

Just because you play for a "big club" does not make you a world class player. I'd say coentrao, pepe, nani, and meireless are decent players, but definitely not world class. I would not put them on the same level as xavi, iniesta, fabregas, alonso or ozil, khedira, lahm, etc

Either way, portugal can win. Im not doubting that, but my point was that portugal are a more one-man team than spain or germany


Netherland got eliminated in the group stages and people still try to "rank" teams by the number of famous players they have ? Didnt you realize that the number of famous player DOESNT matter ? Football is a team sport and the better TEAM wins. Your team can have all the best player in the world BUT if they don't work together they will lose. Period.

...

Look at what I've been posting on this page. I never said that teams with famous players win. I simply said that Portugal is more of a one man team than either Spain or germany because they have more world class players
Tazza
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)1678 Posts
June 25 2012 22:59 GMT
#234
On June 26 2012 01:01 howLiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2012 16:40 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 16:31 bObaZ wrote:
On June 25 2012 15:47 Tazza wrote:
On June 25 2012 13:35 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 25 2012 12:45 Cele wrote:
spain will get it. I know our german team is quite good, but i see Spain like 2-0 or 2-1 Portugal in the semis as well as Germany advancing over Italy. Portugal isnt that strong a team besides for Ronaldo the quality of the players if more mediocre and Italy underperformed versus England a lot by not making a goal of so many chances and dominance for over 50 minutes in the game. For the finals its a very very close call, but i see spain ahead. the overall dominance in the middlefield and short pass play is incredible and they are startegically and technically slightly ahead of the german team. Though everything is possible. On a last note germany kinda strongly relies on Gomez as a goalgetter, who will proobably not perform well versus spain, because he very dependent on strong passes and flanks and doesnt accuire the ball midfield or dribble. He is known to be a bit weaker in technics. so my prediction for the finals would be spain:Ger 2-1


To say Portugal only has Ronaldo, is pretty shortsighted. Its like saying Germany only has Gomez, and Spain only has iniesta.

Keeping in mind that when Spain loses possession, they are slow to get back, and they like to push slowly Portugal's speed on the counter will really make it hard for Spain. They won't be able to completely push up the midfield the same way they have against some of the other teams. They need to play just a little bit more defensively, and keep some defense back to defend against counter attacks.

If they don't, the counters will tire out the spanish come the 70th minute and portugal will have a major advantage if the score is even at that time.

In a friendly from 2010 Portugal beat Spain 4-0 and historically the two teams have fairly close games that are quite back and forth so to write Portugal off is a little much. Even if they shut down Ronaldo, they need to devote a lot of resources and Portugal is not limited to one scorer.

Though I think we can agree that of the 4 teams left, Italy is probably the weakest.

No, its really not that shortsighted. Come on, germany and spain have so many more recognizable and overall better players. gomez was even seen as sort of a weak-link on the german team because of his failures in big matches. I can name the entire german and spanish line-up, but in portugal, you have ronaldo, nani-who is only a decent player, and el loco pepe. the rest are pretty much unknown, or just average. I mean, postiga? to lead the line?

Just about every player on the spanish and german line-up are world class.


Ronaldo, Coentrão and Pepe plays in Real Madrid
Nani plays for Man Utd
Meireles plays for Chelsea.

So we kinda have 5 word class players that everyone should know about. And João Moutinho is a beast and he's also a word class midfielder, he plays for Porto. João Pereira is really underrated and will play for valencia in the next season. Miguel Veloso is not that great but he delivers... Bruno Alves is really good when he's not kicking and elbowing people, portuguese style. We might say that the only weak spot of the team is really Postiga... He kinda sux... But Hugo Almeida also sux, and Nelson Oliveira don't have the experience necessary for this level of footbal, but he'll be a beast!

I hope that Nelson starts in the next game so you can see that we also have good strikers

Spain is the favorite but the game can go either way...

Just because you play for a "big club" does not make you a world class player. I'd say coentrao, pepe, nani, and meireless are decent players, but definitely not world class. I would not put them on the same level as xavi, iniesta, fabregas, alonso or ozil, khedira, lahm, etc

Either way, portugal can win. Im not doubting that, but my point was that portugal are a more one-man team than spain or germany

How exactly is Nani not world-class? Disregarding goals scored, Nani has arguably been as important as Ronaldo in Portugal's style of game.

Just because your an important player on Portugal does not make u world class. He's been losing his spot on Man u to Valencia, young, and might be on his way out. I guarantee u there are at least 6 better wingers than him.
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Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 23:01:21
June 25 2012 23:00 GMT
#235
Portugal is really only lacking in midfield. I dont think people are realising how hard a time they were having against the Czechs who werent really quality opposition in terms of the style they imposed flooding the midfield and sitting back. They are lacking quality there quite a bit and in general aside from the time Moutinho got in behind the defense to setup Ronaldo they were pretty flat. Veloso was absolute garbgage and Mereiles was still trying to beat Sergio Ramos's penalty for distance out of the park. It helps that Nani has had a decent tournament.

They are sound defensively though but not being able to keep the ball well we may well see alot of chucking the ball up and hoping Ronaldo or Nani makes something of it. Its hard enough that its Spain, that having been said unlike the Czech game Spain presses alot higher up so they will leave more room for their wingers and forwards to run in. Its wether the quality comes in from behind thats the question.

Spain will play like Spain plays theres nothing around that.
kyllinghest
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Norway1607 Posts
June 25 2012 23:32 GMT
#236
On June 26 2012 04:57 sharkie wrote:
Pique would make your 23 man squad? I pity your ignorance.
And S.Ramos = Pepe, their play style is like exactly the same.

Are you talking about Pique the best central defender in the world the last few years, or are we discussing somebody else? Who wouldn't have Pique in their team?
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 25 2012 23:39 GMT
#237
On June 26 2012 08:32 kyllinghest wrote:
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On June 26 2012 04:57 sharkie wrote:
Pique would make your 23 man squad? I pity your ignorance.
And S.Ramos = Pepe, their play style is like exactly the same.

Are you talking about Pique the best central defender in the world the last few years, or are we discussing somebody else? Who wouldn't have Pique in their team?

Perhaps his disappointing form last season has something to do with it.
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Brazil4644 Posts
June 25 2012 23:48 GMT
#238
You guys just wait.

Spain only plays well vs other good teams, so expect a good Spain vs Portugal game from them, and hopefully from Ronaldo aswell.

But yea, Germany is coming really strong.
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Oxyoxygen
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United States68 Posts
June 26 2012 00:58 GMT
#239
Reminds me of 2006 when everyone was talking about how good Germany was, lets not forget what happend there in the semi's.
Stratos_speAr
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United States6959 Posts
June 26 2012 01:56 GMT
#240
Germany. My incredible amount of bias aside, Germany's been playing like an unstoppable machine. It doesn't matter if they make bad plays or key players have bad days, they still get the damn job done and will dominate the field. They are just looking so strong right now that I don't see them giving this one up.
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