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DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 21 2011 00:36 GMT
#21
excited for day 2 reactions
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
enzym
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany1034 Posts
March 21 2011 00:52 GMT
#22
On March 21 2011 09:36 XForce3 wrote:
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He didn't have a broken leg, just a bad knee is what I think they were getting at.


It was revealed he had stress fractures in his tibia, which counts as a broken leg in many people's books. Anyways, this isn't the proper forum to be discussing old golf issues, lol

The condescending comments about TSL are very much to be expected because no matter how you look at it South Korea has been the premier eSports and Starcraft locale for a long time and they will have that pride in being the best. This kinda thing happens in everything

I think the only criticism is that having pride doesn't force you to bash others. It's just not very friendly and they are not being constructive either.
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
March 21 2011 00:59 GMT
#23
On March 21 2011 08:20 HawaiianPig wrote:
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this comment frustrated me, seemed to be serious and not sarcastic with his "minor league" comment.


Oh come on now. I love what the TSL has become. It's come a long way from TSL1. I love the production value, I love the hype it generates in the foreign scene, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

You have to consider the Korean perspective. When you try to stack the TSL up against the GSL OSL MSL and SPL, it's not surprising Koreans might call this a "minor" league.

A lot of those comments are fully understandable, to be honest. Latency has always been an issue in international tournaments and has been a point of concern in previous TSLs; it's not terribly out of line to complain about it.

(Of course, TL does it's best to mitigate issues of latency, but it's a simple hard fact about international tournaments).


I agree with you here. Taking everything with a grain of salt of course what the netizens post.

But it can't be denied by anyone that the more stable the korean teams get the more "diamonds" they will produce out of that system. And surprisingly enough they do it off of one league, taking a considerable risk. Even though Starcraft 2 is nowhere near Brood War in terms of leagues and teamstability (probably thanks to the locked up sponsors in the kespa vs blizzard debacle) their players are getting better fast.

Latency is a huge deal. And if Boxer was nervous about the lagg it affects his game. Anyone would react the same. Think about muta harass in BW on battle.net and then on iccup/lan, you play a completely different game.
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:40:27
March 21 2011 01:15 GMT
#24
On March 21 2011 08:31 phisku wrote:
i like those comment talking about their country being the best, i think those comment are made by the bronze/silver/gold/ player, it's taking the success of a few of the korean for them.


that's how a spectator sport works pretty much...
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
March 21 2011 01:19 GMT
#25
Don't be too surprised at these comments, as far as I can tell Korean netizens have always had that kind of attitude towards foreign BW and now SC2. Losing to any foreigner in a WCG in BW got you ridiculed and hated on by netizens as a Korean progamer.

Of course the two scenes are closer in SC2 than in BW, probably closer than most of the Koreans realise, but with their national pride and their long-bred conviction that they're far and away the best nation at SC, those comments are to be expected unfortunately.

I've always been the guy who's cheered for the Koreans at every event, but these comments do make me wish that the foreigners will show the Koreans in this TSL that they're able to compete.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
durza
Profile Joined August 2009
United States667 Posts
March 21 2011 01:22 GMT
#26
Was disappointed by what I read, but I guess you really shouldn't read much into it. I just hope the opinion of these few netizens isn't the majority of korean fans.
XForce3
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada45 Posts
March 21 2011 01:23 GMT
#27
On March 21 2011 09:52 enzym wrote:
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On March 21 2011 09:36 XForce3 wrote:
He didn't have a broken leg, just a bad knee is what I think they were getting at.


It was revealed he had stress fractures in his tibia, which counts as a broken leg in many people's books. Anyways, this isn't the proper forum to be discussing old golf issues, lol

The condescending comments about TSL are very much to be expected because no matter how you look at it South Korea has been the premier eSports and Starcraft locale for a long time and they will have that pride in being the best. This kinda thing happens in everything

I think the only criticism is that having pride doesn't force you to bash others. It's just not very friendly and they are not being constructive either.


Of course, and I'm not condoning it either but I feel like it's also kind of silly that many people are quick to point the finger when it is unfortunately very common
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 01:25:41
March 21 2011 01:25 GMT
#28
Well you can find the same kind of commentaries from western viewers about every game played in korea. It would be more interesting if we knew what "important" e-sport figures think about the games. Are there statements ?

Anyway thanks for collecting some comments!
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Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
March 21 2011 01:33 GMT
#29
Is the KR-US lag that much worse than EU-US?

I mean, Europeans regularly do well in US server events so their lag shouldn't be overwelming. But I've also watched a few tournaments were Koreans also participated. In them (FX Open) they've done even better than Europeans...
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
March 21 2011 01:40 GMT
#30
On March 21 2011 10:33 Blueblister wrote:
Is the KR-US lag that much worse than EU-US?

I mean, Europeans regularly do well in US server events so their lag shouldn't be overwelming. But I've also watched a few tournaments were Koreans also participated. In them (FX Open) they've done even better than Europeans...


lag is always a nice excuse. thats the major thing.

neither the eu-na nor the kor-na delay shouldnt be too bad - otherwise the games would look extremly different imo
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elorion
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany23 Posts
March 21 2011 01:51 GMT
#31
On March 21 2011 10:40 DiaBoLuS wrote:
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On March 21 2011 10:33 Blueblister wrote:
Is the KR-US lag that much worse than EU-US?

I mean, Europeans regularly do well in US server events so their lag shouldn't be overwelming. But I've also watched a few tournaments were Koreans also participated. In them (FX Open) they've done even better than Europeans...


lag is always a nice excuse. thats the major thing.

neither the eu-na nor the kor-na delay shouldnt be too bad - otherwise the games would look extremly different imo



well, if iam not mistaken, IdrA mentioned today that EU-US is far better then NA-KR.... guess he should know about it
jamesmax
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada72 Posts
March 21 2011 02:03 GMT
#32
I don't understand if the KR-EU isnt to bad and EU-US isnt to bad (which i know for sure) Why arnt all games just played on EU server? atleast for KR/EU games if eu/us want to play on us i can understand that.
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kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 02:07:19
March 21 2011 02:04 GMT
#33
On March 21 2011 10:33 Blueblister wrote:
Is the KR-US lag that much worse than EU-US?

I mean, Europeans regularly do well in US server events so their lag shouldn't be overwelming. But I've also watched a few tournaments were Koreans also participated. In them (FX Open) they've done even better than Europeans...


For me (from Canada), I get the bnet cap to US East, 200 ms (1/5 second) to EU, and 500 ms (1/2 second) to KR. Of course, KR has more lag spikes as well. Boxer's latency could have spiked to 2 seconds at one time or another if they played on NA. I'm guessing they played on EU though?
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
March 21 2011 02:07 GMT
#34
On March 21 2011 11:03 jamesmax wrote:
I don't understand if the KR-EU isnt to bad and EU-US isnt to bad (which i know for sure) Why arnt all games just played on EU server? atleast for KR/EU games if eu/us want to play on us i can understand that.


KR-EU is unplayable.
NA-EU is the best,
KR-NA is significantly worse, but still playable

That is what IdrA and the others pro's were saying.
Khalleb
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1909 Posts
March 21 2011 02:13 GMT
#35
they are playing NAvsKR on both server, NAvsEU on both, EUvs KR on NA because EU to KR let the worse or i think they can't just play becuase they got desync due to lat issue
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Crazyeyes
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1342 Posts
March 21 2011 02:16 GMT
#36
When there's lag, do both players suffer? Or only one?
Assuming there was a 2 second delay, was NightEnd completely unaffected by this?
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emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
March 21 2011 02:22 GMT
#37
More please!
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SalsaShark
Profile Joined March 2011
United States56 Posts
March 21 2011 02:46 GMT
#38
On March 21 2011 11:16 Crazyeyes wrote:
When there's lag, do both players suffer? Or only one?
Assuming there was a 2 second delay, was NightEnd completely unaffected by this?


For example,by KR-EU they mean people in Korea are playing on European servers (or maybe the other way around, if it is just switch the order). The people playing in the same region as the servers are hosted have significantly lower pings, meaning the server knows what buttons you press than the guy who lives on the other side of the world.
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whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
March 21 2011 02:46 GMT
#39
Hmmmm, people who made those comments, who are they? Just some random SC2 players or pros? Lets not judge Koreans if those comments are made by random people, just look at some today's TLnet posts. There are a lot of whiners/flamers/trolls everywhere!
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
March 21 2011 03:15 GMT
#40
On March 21 2011 10:19 Orome wrote:
Don't be too surprised at these comments, as far as I can tell Korean netizens have always had that kind of attitude towards foreign BW and now SC2. Losing to any foreigner in a WCG in BW got you ridiculed and hated on by netizens as a Korean progamer.

Of course the two scenes are closer in SC2 than in BW, probably closer than most of the Koreans realise, but with their national pride and their long-bred conviction that they're far and away the best nation at SC, those comments are to be expected unfortunately.

I've always been the guy who's cheered for the Koreans at every event, but these comments do make me wish that the foreigners will show the Koreans in this TSL that they're able to compete.

It's expectations: the koreans have to attribute losses to something.
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