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I realize TSL 3 plans are probably set in stone by now since things have been announced. However, would it be considered to take the top 4 NA qualifier point scorers and the top 4 EU point scorers instead of having it all be cumulative? (If someone made both top 4 lists then just take them off from the list where they had fewer total points.) This still gives an advantage to people who play both regional qualifiers, but it merely increases their own chances, while not giving a direct leg up against people who only play in 1 regions qualifier.
[Please ask me to explain this if it doesn't make sense.]
In the announcement post itself TL.bot said
The TSL would not be the TSL if there weren't some sort of open qualification process.
But I'm afraid the current system is not very good for the more recreational/amateur player who might not feel good spending another $60 just to have an even playing field against people who are full-time players.
In any case, I'm looking forward to TSL 3, but I think having the point pool be a total cumulative thing for all 8 qualifiers (across 2 different servers) is not entirely in the spirit of how the former TSL tournaments have been.
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Kennigit
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>recreational player
>TSL3
Is this what you're looking for?
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I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
I guess my post is targeted towards the up-and-coming player who may not have had any prize winnings or anything yet and it doesn't seem right that, that player must spend another $60 to have equal opportunity in a tournament when they already have a copy of the game.
That said, I'm considering buying an EU account but ugh, it's a tough choice because I really don't want to give blizzard that $60 since I feel like it's theft.
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Kennigit
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On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
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I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment.
MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification.
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i thought idra won tsl 2 hmmz
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On January 03 2011 04:57 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment. MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification.
Than It's not really an open qualifier, is it? I don't want a justification, on the contrary I want you to stop justifying it. Yes, most likely It won't make a difference, but It's still clearly unfair. Obviously you have a reason for it just leave it at that.
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On January 03 2011 06:58 Kralle333 wrote:
i thought idra won tsl 2 hmmz
No, IdrA has never won a TSL. He hasn't come close to winning one yet for that matter.
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Kennigit
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On January 03 2011 07:51 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:57 Plexa wrote:On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment. MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification. Than It's not really an open qualifier, is it? I don't want a justification, on the contrary I want you to stop justifying it. Yes, most likely It won't make a difference, but It's still clearly unfair. Obviously you have a reason for it just leave it at that.
Yes it is open. A closed qualifier would be where we simply invited 512 players and had them qualify. Don't talk rubbish.
You can play a TL Open, win and advance into TSL. You can also play for the fun/experience or meeting top players in early qualifiers. You do not need an EU account to qualify for TSL - it may help you if you are specifically trying to get in based on the points system alone. If you are one of the few players who it would legitimately make a difference to in qualifying (IE you aren't a QXC/Select/Nony etc, but a couple tiers below) its probably a benefit but by no means a requirement.
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Why do you keep dancing around the meaning of the question?
If you are one of the few players who it would legitimately make a difference to in qualifying (IE you aren't a QXC/Select/Nony etc, but a couple tiers below) its probably a benefit but by no means a requirement
Yes, technically It's not a requirement, but It may as well be one for all the difference It would make.
If you are the type of player that is not good enough to qualify by winning one of the opens and is trying to qualify through the points system not having accounts on both servers greatly reduces your chances of qualifying. This is undeniable.
I'm not asking you to change the way you are running the tournament. Like I said I'm sure you have "behind the scene/tournament organizers" type of reasons for running it this way. And that's fine. We can understand that. I just want you guys to stop pretending that the unfairness isn't there. Even if most likely It won't make a difference in the end.
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Think that the TL Opens are as the ro5000 of the TSL :D
And, like, a "recreational" player never entered a TSL, is a tournament of the best
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On January 03 2011 16:51 sashkata wrote:
Why do you keep dancing around the meaning of the question?
Yes, technically It's not a requirement, but It may as well be one for all the difference It would make.
If you are the type of player that is not good enough to qualify by winning one of the opens and is trying to qualify through the points system not having accounts on both servers greatly reduces your chances of qualifying. This is undeniable.
I'm not asking you to change the way you are running the tournament. Like I said I'm sure you have "behind the scene/tournament organizers" type of reasons for running it this way. And that's fine. We can understand that. I just want you guys to stop pretending that the unfairness isn't there. Even if most likely It won't make a difference in the end.
Just because something sucks for you, or recreational players, does not mean you get to throw around the term fairness for no reason. Everyone has the same opportunity and the same cost to play tournaments on both servers. That's fair. That some people are better, which is their own accomplishment, so that it is more worthwhile to purchase two accounts, does not mean you did not get an equal chance at doing so. You did. It costs the same and you get the same for it. Your skill makes it less worthwhile to do so, that's fair too. Because oftentimes being lesser skill means you have less chance to qualify.
Your server argument is one that solely has its basis in the lack of skill and not in unfairness, as everyone has the same opportunity and cost of purchasing two accounts. The fact that you need two accounts to play on two servers is not something we control, but the opportunity to participate in these tournaments is exactly equal for every player.
What you are looking for is something that helps the recreational player to an advantage so that he will not have to do the same things professionals have to do (purchase two accounts). Sorry but we do not have such a thing in store for you.
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On January 03 2011 08:10 StarStruck wrote:No, IdrA has never won a TSL. He hasn't come close to winning one yet for that matter.
Aw, man. Don't be a hater.
Idra lost in the Ro8 of TSL2 in a hotly contested 3-2 series by failing to scout a ballsy proxy gate strategy against the guy who went on to take the entire tournament (and let's not even talk about the misclick of doom earlier in that same series). Not to mention, Idra dominated everyone he played earlier in that tournament, from the ladder stages (where he achieved an A+ on iCCup playing almost exclusively against top Koreans) to the post ladder seeding matches (where he beat Nony 3:1) to the elimination brackets.
If anyone was close to winning that tournament and did not it was Idra. He was the odds-on favorite in everyone's book. That was what made the Ro8 series so beautiful. It seemed like a one in a million, David and Goliath type thing.
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Tyler lets go take TSL3 just as amazingly as you took TSL2. im looking forward to awesome games and on the edge of my seat moments. and i of course am expecting the standard TL 30-45min delay before every stream
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TSL2 was the best tournament I've ever followed, I'm so hyped for this one! Looking forward to seeing some good cheerfuls too 
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Wait, I thought TSL2 second place was IdrA?
EDIT: OH YEA, sorry for some reason I honestly thought NonY beat IdrA in the finals of TSL and not in the Ro8. Man it was such a great series. I still remember doing a spit-take when IdrA accidently cancelled his CC. LOL.
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moundragon?? did he even played sc2? I mean, we didn't hear about him, I'm curious on his ladder performance.
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Braavos36375 Posts
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Nice :D I guess you could put the flags for the qualified players too. Just a small detail ^^
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First terran is in!!
Kas hwaiting :D
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