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TL.net131 Posts
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Liquid`Tyler fighting! You're my hero!
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United States7166 Posts
can't wait to see mondragon play this tsl
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Tyler and Mondragon Fighting!
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Seeing Mondragon will be great
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Happy news years TL and this should prove interesting. ;D
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Tyler Hwaiting!!!!!!!!!!11
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Hoping for some great games, and defo hope the west takes on asia and knocks them into the ground :D
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Just to be clear, this means Idra and the Liquid' guys in Korea can't participate in the TL opens and will have to hope for an invite?
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A question : Liquid members in Korea count as koreans? Or they have to qualify through tournaments?
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didnt think i will see mondi ever again playing competive
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Outstanding! Can't wait to see how Mondragon has been holding up 
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Like everyone else, I'm really pumped to see Mon play.
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Players who have 2 accounts have a big advantage in getting points :/
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true, but realistically, only the top players will have a shot at making it anyway and I'd guess they all have access to 2 accounts
it does suck for the spirit of the competition though. maybe it'll be possible to work something out, i'd personally be fine with borrowing my account to anyone who's relatively known on tl and thinks they have a shot.
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On January 02 2011 02:51 travis wrote:
Players who have 2 accounts have a big advantage in getting points :/
Blame blizzard for that. "Global e-sports" my ass.
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On January 02 2011 02:51 travis wrote:
Players who have 2 accounts have a big advantage in getting points :/
Yeah they do, but there's nothing that can really be done about that.
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LIQUID'TYLER! / LIQUID'NONY!
GO GO GO!
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!
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Go Sen! (Am I the only one voting for him?)
P.S: when are the qualifier tournaments? I'm sorry, I'm not quite as informed about tournament play as many other TL Users u_u
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On January 02 2011 03:55 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2011 02:51 travis wrote:
Players who have 2 accounts have a big advantage in getting points :/ Blame blizzard for that. "Global e-sports" my ass.
Hell ya guys. This shit is getting old. I miss playing with my friends who are now on different servers.
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I realize TSL 3 plans are probably set in stone by now since things have been announced. However, would it be considered to take the top 4 NA qualifier point scorers and the top 4 EU point scorers instead of having it all be cumulative? (If someone made both top 4 lists then just take them off from the list where they had fewer total points.) This still gives an advantage to people who play both regional qualifiers, but it merely increases their own chances, while not giving a direct leg up against people who only play in 1 regions qualifier.
[Please ask me to explain this if it doesn't make sense.]
In the announcement post itself TL.bot said
The TSL would not be the TSL if there weren't some sort of open qualification process.
But I'm afraid the current system is not very good for the more recreational/amateur player who might not feel good spending another $60 just to have an even playing field against people who are full-time players.
In any case, I'm looking forward to TSL 3, but I think having the point pool be a total cumulative thing for all 8 qualifiers (across 2 different servers) is not entirely in the spirit of how the former TSL tournaments have been.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
>recreational player
>TSL3
Is this what you're looking for?
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I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
I guess my post is targeted towards the up-and-coming player who may not have had any prize winnings or anything yet and it doesn't seem right that, that player must spend another $60 to have equal opportunity in a tournament when they already have a copy of the game.
That said, I'm considering buying an EU account but ugh, it's a tough choice because I really don't want to give blizzard that $60 since I feel like it's theft.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
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I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment.
MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification.
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i thought idra won tsl 2 hmmz
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On January 03 2011 04:57 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment. MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification.
Than It's not really an open qualifier, is it? I don't want a justification, on the contrary I want you to stop justifying it. Yes, most likely It won't make a difference, but It's still clearly unfair. Obviously you have a reason for it just leave it at that.
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On January 03 2011 06:58 Kralle333 wrote:
i thought idra won tsl 2 hmmz
No, IdrA has never won a TSL. He hasn't come close to winning one yet for that matter.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 03 2011 07:51 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 04:57 Plexa wrote:On January 03 2011 03:26 Kennigit wrote:On January 03 2011 03:05 Jonoman92 wrote:
I'm not sure what you're saying Kennigit. You are saying that recreational players have no chance at qualifying in TSL3 anyway?
. I'm saying that the TSL qualifier system has always existed in a way that allows the very top of the pack to advance - thats no necessarily the most known players (remember Tarson in first TSL when no one knew who he was?). Obviously i encourage everyone to try to qualify and if they are highly motivated, then getting an EU account seems like a small investment. MLG costs what? $60 to enter? $30 to enter? Think of it as an entrance fee if you really need justification. Than It's not really an open qualifier, is it? I don't want a justification, on the contrary I want you to stop justifying it. Yes, most likely It won't make a difference, but It's still clearly unfair. Obviously you have a reason for it just leave it at that.
Yes it is open. A closed qualifier would be where we simply invited 512 players and had them qualify. Don't talk rubbish.
You can play a TL Open, win and advance into TSL. You can also play for the fun/experience or meeting top players in early qualifiers. You do not need an EU account to qualify for TSL - it may help you if you are specifically trying to get in based on the points system alone. If you are one of the few players who it would legitimately make a difference to in qualifying (IE you aren't a QXC/Select/Nony etc, but a couple tiers below) its probably a benefit but by no means a requirement.
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Why do you keep dancing around the meaning of the question?
If you are one of the few players who it would legitimately make a difference to in qualifying (IE you aren't a QXC/Select/Nony etc, but a couple tiers below) its probably a benefit but by no means a requirement
Yes, technically It's not a requirement, but It may as well be one for all the difference It would make.
If you are the type of player that is not good enough to qualify by winning one of the opens and is trying to qualify through the points system not having accounts on both servers greatly reduces your chances of qualifying. This is undeniable.
I'm not asking you to change the way you are running the tournament. Like I said I'm sure you have "behind the scene/tournament organizers" type of reasons for running it this way. And that's fine. We can understand that. I just want you guys to stop pretending that the unfairness isn't there. Even if most likely It won't make a difference in the end.
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Think that the TL Opens are as the ro5000 of the TSL :D
And, like, a "recreational" player never entered a TSL, is a tournament of the best
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On January 03 2011 16:51 sashkata wrote:
Why do you keep dancing around the meaning of the question?
Yes, technically It's not a requirement, but It may as well be one for all the difference It would make.
If you are the type of player that is not good enough to qualify by winning one of the opens and is trying to qualify through the points system not having accounts on both servers greatly reduces your chances of qualifying. This is undeniable.
I'm not asking you to change the way you are running the tournament. Like I said I'm sure you have "behind the scene/tournament organizers" type of reasons for running it this way. And that's fine. We can understand that. I just want you guys to stop pretending that the unfairness isn't there. Even if most likely It won't make a difference in the end.
Just because something sucks for you, or recreational players, does not mean you get to throw around the term fairness for no reason. Everyone has the same opportunity and the same cost to play tournaments on both servers. That's fair. That some people are better, which is their own accomplishment, so that it is more worthwhile to purchase two accounts, does not mean you did not get an equal chance at doing so. You did. It costs the same and you get the same for it. Your skill makes it less worthwhile to do so, that's fair too. Because oftentimes being lesser skill means you have less chance to qualify.
Your server argument is one that solely has its basis in the lack of skill and not in unfairness, as everyone has the same opportunity and cost of purchasing two accounts. The fact that you need two accounts to play on two servers is not something we control, but the opportunity to participate in these tournaments is exactly equal for every player.
What you are looking for is something that helps the recreational player to an advantage so that he will not have to do the same things professionals have to do (purchase two accounts). Sorry but we do not have such a thing in store for you.
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On January 03 2011 08:10 StarStruck wrote:No, IdrA has never won a TSL. He hasn't come close to winning one yet for that matter.
Aw, man. Don't be a hater.
Idra lost in the Ro8 of TSL2 in a hotly contested 3-2 series by failing to scout a ballsy proxy gate strategy against the guy who went on to take the entire tournament (and let's not even talk about the misclick of doom earlier in that same series). Not to mention, Idra dominated everyone he played earlier in that tournament, from the ladder stages (where he achieved an A+ on iCCup playing almost exclusively against top Koreans) to the post ladder seeding matches (where he beat Nony 3:1) to the elimination brackets.
If anyone was close to winning that tournament and did not it was Idra. He was the odds-on favorite in everyone's book. That was what made the Ro8 series so beautiful. It seemed like a one in a million, David and Goliath type thing.
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Tyler lets go take TSL3 just as amazingly as you took TSL2. im looking forward to awesome games and on the edge of my seat moments. and i of course am expecting the standard TL 30-45min delay before every stream
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TSL2 was the best tournament I've ever followed, I'm so hyped for this one! Looking forward to seeing some good cheerfuls too
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Wait, I thought TSL2 second place was IdrA?
EDIT: OH YEA, sorry for some reason I honestly thought NonY beat IdrA in the finals of TSL and not in the Ro8. Man it was such a great series. I still remember doing a spit-take when IdrA accidently cancelled his CC. LOL.
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moundragon?? did he even played sc2? I mean, we didn't hear about him, I'm curious on his ladder performance.
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Braavos36374 Posts
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Nice :D I guess you could put the flags for the qualified players too. Just a small detail ^^
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First terran is in!!
Kas hwaiting :D
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So sad that I lost to ToD 
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Wow this thread just got crazy exciting for me. Seeing the points and the cutoff is making TSL3 feel brutally real now.
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On January 07 2011 20:37 charcute wrote:
moundragon?? did he even played sc2? I mean, we didn't hear about him, I'm curious on his ladder performance.
It has been stated that he's ~3100 iirc.
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Surprising that relatively few of the big names played in a qualifier for such a huge tournament. I mean, yeah there's eight, but you'd think you'd see almost every top player in these.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On January 09 2011 12:57 Redmark wrote:
Surprising that relatively few of the big names played in a qualifier for such a huge tournament. I mean, yeah there's eight, but you'd think you'd see almost every top player in these.
There were a lot of other events taking place at the same time today iirc, so maybe they didn't want to double-book themselves. Or maybe some of the NA players are confident that they will win a NA TL Open and didn't want to waste time going for the EU one.
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I think almost all top EU players played in this one. Even SEA players like Filthy and Moonglade did as well. There are some NA players missing like the Root guys of course but i guess they dont find it worth their time to play in EU lag ( although if SEA players can play in it, i dont see why NA players cant )
I like the cumulative format though. It will kill some of the arguments that so and so qualifies via a "weaker" server. Here's for a succesful next 7 TL opens.
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On January 03 2011 21:29 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2011 16:51 sashkata wrote:
Why do you keep dancing around the meaning of the question?
Yes, technically It's not a requirement, but It may as well be one for all the difference It would make.
If you are the type of player that is not good enough to qualify by winning one of the opens and is trying to qualify through the points system not having accounts on both servers greatly reduces your chances of qualifying. This is undeniable.
I'm not asking you to change the way you are running the tournament. Like I said I'm sure you have "behind the scene/tournament organizers" type of reasons for running it this way. And that's fine. We can understand that. I just want you guys to stop pretending that the unfairness isn't there. Even if most likely It won't make a difference in the end. Just because something sucks for you, or recreational players, does not mean you get to throw around the term fairness for no reason. Everyone has the same opportunity and the same cost to play tournaments on both servers. That's fair. That some people are better, which is their own accomplishment, so that it is more worthwhile to purchase two accounts, does not mean you did not get an equal chance at doing so. You did. It costs the same and you get the same for it. Your skill makes it less worthwhile to do so, that's fair too. Because oftentimes being lesser skill means you have less chance to qualify. Your server argument is one that solely has its basis in the lack of skill and not in unfairness, as everyone has the same opportunity and cost of purchasing two accounts. The fact that you need two accounts to play on two servers is not something we control, but the opportunity to participate in these tournaments is exactly equal for every player. What you are looking for is something that helps the recreational player to an advantage so that he will not have to do the same things professionals have to do (purchase two accounts). Sorry but we do not have such a thing in store for you.
Sorry but your definition of "fair" doesn't exactly seem all that fair. People went ape when it was discovered that thor all in was even stronger for people who had purchased the CE because the graphical size was bigger and hid more SCV's then the standard version. Basically the stance you are taking is that in a tournament, if you pay 60 dollar entrance fee, you get 4 tries to qualify and the corresponding points, and if you pay 120 dollar entrance fee, you get 8 tries to qualify and double the points. Imagine if it were like that in Courage, would be pretty ridiculous no?
Going along those lines it's pretty well known that people such as yourself who are lucky enough to get a Korean to activate your Sc2 account have an unfair advantage over everyone else because not only do you get experience playing against Korean Build Orders, but its quite simple for you to take those strategies over to other servers where players have no seen those builds.
Main reason i believe it is done this way is because TL wants thee best players to qualify giving them the most opportunities to do so, and the logic is if you don't have a Euro or US account your obviously not TSL material. Flawed or not looks like its the system here to stay regardless of its possible problems. Yes its 100% Blizzard's fault, but pretending its "fair" is not a good decision imo.
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I think you're on the losing end of a semantics discussion. The word you're looking for is unfortunate; and with that we can only agree. It is unfortunate you have to buy the game twice to stand a chance at top level gaming. We are bummed about it too.
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On January 09 2011 08:16 Pokebunny wrote:So sad that I lost to ToD
loosing to a WC3 legend is nothing to be sad about
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On January 09 2011 19:31 SmoKim wrote:loosing to a WC3 legend is nothing to be sad about
Agreed.
Congratulations to Kas. He played really well this Tournament.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 09 2011 19:31 SmoKim wrote:loosing to a WC3 legend is nothing to be sad about
Because he should've played better and won  he really could have you know
On January 09 2011 14:48 dtz wrote:
I think almost all top EU players played in this one. Even SEA players like Filthy and Moonglade did as well. There are some NA players missing like the Root guys of course but i guess they dont find it worth their time to play in EU lag ( although if SEA players can play in it, i dont see why NA players cant )
I like the cumulative format though. It will kill some of the arguments that so and so qualifies via a "weaker" server. Here's for a succesful next 7 TL opens. There were a few NA players who missed the checkin this time around who had signed up, like drewbie for instance.
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We are trav'ling in the footsteps
Of those who've gone before,
And we'll all be reunited,
On a new and sunlit shore,
Oh, when the Ukrainians go marching in
Oh, when the Ukrainians go marching in
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the Ukrainians go marching in
And when the sun refuse to shine
And when the sun refuse to shine
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the sun refuse to shine
And when the moon turns red with blood
And when the moon turns red with blood
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the moon turns red with blood
Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
Oh, when the trumpet sounds its call
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the trumpet sounds its call
Some say this world of trouble,
Is the only one we need,
But I'm waiting for that morning,
When the new world is revealed.
Oh When the new world is revealed
Oh When the new world is revealed
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the new world is revealed
Oh, when the Ukrainians go marching in
Oh, when the Ukrainians go marching in
Lord, how I want to be in that number
When the Ukrainians go marching in
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admin try to fix the 3rd seed layout.
looks like:
seed
flag
player
instead of seed flag player!
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On January 09 2011 12:57 Redmark wrote:
Surprising that relatively few of the big names played in a qualifier for such a huge tournament. I mean, yeah there's eight, but you'd think you'd see almost every top player in these.
The thing is most of them lost, that's why they're not there.
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Not too many big names yet, but hopefully that will change in week 3 since the first two weeks have the Pokeridol and Homestory tournaments. Also, can't wait for the invites.
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On January 10 2011 06:21 jalstar wrote:
Not too many big names yet, but hopefully that will change in week 3 since the first two weeks have the Pokeridol and Homestory tournaments. Also, can't wait for the invites.
We're hoping for the homestory guys to play the TL Open! We have planned it as a US tournament on purpose and have had contact with Takesen about trying to make it work. If he starts early on the day and doesn't cast till something like past midnight then it may be possible.
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I don't think being able to play in both NA and EU qualifiers is a big deal but, just out of curiosity, why didn't you just say players had to pick either NA or EU and stick with it. Was it concerns over smurfing, because that seems like it'd be easy to prevent.
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On January 10 2011 11:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 06:21 jalstar wrote:
Not too many big names yet, but hopefully that will change in week 3 since the first two weeks have the Pokeridol and Homestory tournaments. Also, can't wait for the invites. We're hoping for the homestory guys to play the TL Open! We have planned it as a US tournament on purpose and have had contact with Takesen about trying to make it work. If he starts early on the day and doesn't cast till something like past midnight then it may be possible.
Even if some games happen at the same time, I'm sure they can be very flexible there. I mean, they are all there, it's very easy to talk to each other.
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Hey TL, it's totally unfair that I don't get to win TSL because I don't even own SC2.
And that I don't even have a computer.
And that my village don't even have electricity.
It simply isn't fair that someone who does have electricity AND a computer AND SC2 AND another SC2 account has infinitely larger chance of qualifying than me.
/sarcasm&hyperbole off.
(Seriously, I'd ban people for that shit)
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I can already feel the hype for this tournament, SO awesome to see!
I think this will be the most important tournament of 2011, outside of Korea.I hope so at least.
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Who is Forelmashi ?
The US player, did anybody see him before in games or tournaments?
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On January 10 2011 11:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2011 06:21 jalstar wrote:
Not too many big names yet, but hopefully that will change in week 3 since the first two weeks have the Pokeridol and Homestory tournaments. Also, can't wait for the invites. We're hoping for the homestory guys to play the TL Open! We have planned it as a US tournament on purpose and have had contact with Takesen about trying to make it work. If he starts early on the day and doesn't cast till something like past midnight then it may be possible.
That would be great.
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Oh man Look at that ToD and BoX are pretty close too. Go ToD! Go BoX!
Forelmashi is BoX. He was a wc3 player who seems to be doing pretty well in sc2.
Nice guy. Im rooting for him to qualify.
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Mondragon plays SC2?!?! -.-
I'd like to get some more info on that. Links, anyone?
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On January 11 2011 07:30 Darkn3ss wrote:
Mondragon plays SC2?!?! -.-
I'd like to get some more info on that. Links, anyone?
He isnt really active but i think he said that he will play more for TSL 3
here are some replay if you are interested:
Mondragon ESL replays
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On January 12 2011 22:53 Devanthar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2011 07:30 Darkn3ss wrote:
Mondragon plays SC2?!?! -.-
I'd like to get some more info on that. Links, anyone? He isnt really active but i think he said that he will play more for TSL 3 here are some replay if you are interested: Mondragon ESL replays
Well that isn't much! Either he has a very good smurf account or doesn't play very much... I'm actually pretty curious to see how he plays!
Mondy Fighting!!!
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Where's qxc? He also won 26 points today!
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On January 16 2011 13:13 mtmf wrote:
Where's qxc? He also won 26 points today!
I was about to ask the same thing. :-(
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Braavos36374 Posts
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I would like to commend TL staff for not banning people who are accusing them of being unfair through developed arguments. I enjoy the admins here more every day. Out of curiosity, could the points only apply to the specific account? I suppose some pros would then have 2 qualified accounts, but that might be a way around the whole argument.
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On January 11 2011 00:21 s.a.y wrote:
Who is Forelmashi ?
The US player, did anybody see him before in games or tournaments?
Forelmashi is a human player from WC3 known as BoX, he was among the top american humans there for a while, pretty much only played in American tournaments though. As for his SC2 career, he hasn't done much besides this and maybe some small tournaments I would assume. He's really good for the amount of games he's played.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On January 16 2011 14:28 pi_rate_pir_ate wrote:
I would like to commend TL staff for not banning people who are accusing them of being unfair through developed arguments. I enjoy the admins here more every day. Out of curiosity, could the points only apply to the specific account? I suppose some pros would then have 2 qualified accounts, but that might be a way around the whole argument.
Yes, points apply to one account only.
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Where are all the Liquids? i mean it's basically their home tournament.
Is the Korean Invite plan Ladder based?
Is it possible that Foreigner who are currently playing in Korea get an invite too? (Ret, HuK, Jinro...?)
Would love to see some people from the Lineup of TSL 2 like JF, Kolll, Draco and the others who have somewhat been underground for the time beeing
Edit:
i want to see Artosis, Tasteless, Chill and Day9 play
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Empire/Europe tearing it up with two straight spots. We need an NA winner next time, STEP IT UP!
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I thought IdrA came 2nd in TSL, people always talk about him losing to Nony as if that was the finals, I'm confused ^^
That being said, where is IdrA? Will he be part of the Korean invites, and if not, why hasn't he played any of the qualifiers? Surely he'd be interested in a tourney with this kind of prize pool.
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Idra vs Nony was the finals before the finals. Sort of like Flash and Jaedong playing in the round of 8.
Foreigners in Korea are only eligible for Korean invites and can't participate in qualifiers.
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On January 17 2011 08:45 Harris1st wrote:Where are all the Liquids? i mean it's basically their home tournament. Is the Korean Invite plan Ladder based? Is it possible that Foreigner who are currently playing in Korea get an invite too? (Ret, HuK, Jinro...?) Would love to see some people from the Lineup of TSL 2 like JF, Kolll, Draco and the others who have somewhat been underground for the time beeing Edit: i want to see Artosis, Tasteless, Chill and Day9 play
Anyone living in Korea, whether of Korean nationality or not, can get a spot only via invite.
The Liquid players outside of Korea are TLO and I. I'm already qualified and TLO has been participating in tournaments that have prevented him from playing the first two qualifiers.
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oh man hope i make it, soo want to beat qxc or at least play tyler <3, i mean who woudnt want to play one of their favorite players? =D anyways tyler goodluck <3, and also hope TLO make it he was my fav terran and is an amazing zerg
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On January 18 2011 07:59 MaxSC wrote:
oh man hope i make it, soo want to beat qxc or at least play tyler <3, i mean who woudnt want to play one of their favorite players? =D anyways tyler goodluck <3, and also hope TLO make it he was my fav terran and is an amazing zerg
wait, so TLO plays both zerg and terran? is there race-picking in sc2/tsl?
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guess you can fixed Naniwa's name now that he changed team again
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Wow, a lot of Europeans. Also, are there no Canada flags? I would've sworn some of those people up there are canadian.
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The point system is really really good! I think it's the most fair system you guys could imagine. I'm intrested in how many points at the end you need to qualify.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
So neat that the TSL is bringing all these closet gosus out of the woodwork. Wish we expanded the player pool, actually.
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It would be cool if there were 1-2 more rounds of qualifiers where the top 16 or 24 players in the point pool could play Bo3s to get to the final round. But that might be unnecessary.
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Braavos36374 Posts
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WOW! I just watched the CrunCher vs. Fenix VODs and holy shit CrunCher is impressive! Feedbacks and forcefields and motherships and storms~ He's the TLO of Protoss~
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Damn there are some great players at that cutoff line hoping to see TLO, White-Ra, SJow, and QXC make it thru
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white-ra has to make it! otherweise he will be missed :/
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Should be a qualifier round instead of that 8 highest. Say that top 16 have a qualification round first
1 vs 16, 2 vs 15 and so on. To make one more round.
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I want to see White-Ra in this so bad..!
Also, can't seem to find Dimaga anywhere..?!
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United States13896 Posts
Dimaga is banned from this TSL for ladder abuse in the last one.
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any notable players that has failed to get any points at all so far?
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I am very worried about the point system implemented, only because of the relatively wide difference between points for each placement. Players who make it one round further in a single tournament have a far greater chance of qualifying, whereas players who show consistency in multiple tournaments, which I believe to be more difficult, still have little chance to catch up. It's obviously too late to change anything, but I really hope that players with multiple high finishes will be able to qualify along with those who made it near the top once.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 28 2011 13:03 rift wrote:
I am very worried about the point system implemented, only because of the relatively wide difference between points for each placement. Players who make it one round further in a single tournament have a far greater chance of qualifying, whereas players who show consistency in multiple tournaments, which I believe to be more difficult, still have little chance to catch up. It's obviously too late to change anything, but I really hope that players with multiple high finishes will be able to qualify along with those who made it near the top once.
I don't quite follow this, since the points system is designed to reward consistency over one off performances. For instance, placing 2nd once will net you less points than two semifinal finishes.
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On January 28 2011 13:13 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 13:03 rift wrote:
I am very worried about the point system implemented, only because of the relatively wide difference between points for each placement. Players who make it one round further in a single tournament have a far greater chance of qualifying, whereas players who show consistency in multiple tournaments, which I believe to be more difficult, still have little chance to catch up. It's obviously too late to change anything, but I really hope that players with multiple high finishes will be able to qualify along with those who made it near the top once. I don't quite follow this, since the points system is designed to reward consistency over one off performances. For instance, placing 2nd once will net you less points than two semifinal finishes.
At the end the top 8 breakdown will be a minimum of 100 points in each spot:
1. 114+ (Ciara currently)
2. 100+ (ESC.GoOdy currently)
3. 100+ (FnaticMSI.Fenix currently)
4. 100+
5. 100+
6. 100+
7. 100+
8. 100+
..due to the 2nd place finishes.
The current or future ro4 (+51), ro8 (+26), and ro16 (+14) finishers will have to overcome this 100+ point barrier in the next 5 opens; in addition, a 2nd place finisher could take another round, as Ciara did. It's doable, just difficult, especially in a tournament of this size.
If I am making a mistake here I apologize. We'll see how it goes, top players will probably rack up the points easily--it's just tight with 5 more opens.
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The same person can place 2nd more than once though, or someone can get 2nd and then win. Both of these are pretty unlikely though.
On the other note, someone who gets 9-16th 7 out of 8 events loses out to a one time runner-up. This isn't exactly what I'd call rewarding consistency, but do we as fans want someone in the TSL who can't get past the ro16 of an open event? I don't mind the point system.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 28 2011 14:09 rift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2011 13:13 Plexa wrote:On January 28 2011 13:03 rift wrote:
I am very worried about the point system implemented, only because of the relatively wide difference between points for each placement. Players who make it one round further in a single tournament have a far greater chance of qualifying, whereas players who show consistency in multiple tournaments, which I believe to be more difficult, still have little chance to catch up. It's obviously too late to change anything, but I really hope that players with multiple high finishes will be able to qualify along with those who made it near the top once. I don't quite follow this, since the points system is designed to reward consistency over one off performances. For instance, placing 2nd once will net you less points than two semifinal finishes. At the end the top 8 breakdown will be a minimum of 100 points in each spot: 1. 114+ (Ciara currently) 2. 100+ (ESC.GoOdy currently) 3. 100+ (FnaticMSI.Fenix currently) 4. 100+ 5. 100+ 6. 100+ 7. 100+ 8. 100+ ..due to the 2nd place finishes. The current or future ro4 (+51), ro8 (+26), and ro16 (+14) finishers will have to overcome this 100+ point barrier in the next 5 opens; in addition, a 2nd place finisher could take another round, as Ciara did. It's doable, just difficult, especially in a tournament of this size. If I am making a mistake here I apologize. We'll see how it goes, top players will probably rack up the points easily--it's just tight with 5 more opens. You are right, things are getting tight. Which is why every TLOpen matters! The system is working exactly as we intended it; multiple high finishes are what will determine who makes it through with the lower rounds providing somewhat of a tie-breaker effect.
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But if some former high ranked players win a later tour this has a huge impact. 
So maybe you don't need to have 100 points? Would be quite funny.
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can't wait for the ranking updates :D hope they come asap!
edit: lol that was fucking fast
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Protoss tearing it up so far. 3 out of the 4 wins were P. So cool to see top P guys doing well.
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I'm assuming when Korea / Asia invites are done this will include IdrA, Jinro, & Ret. Since they live in Korea and are Code S / A or is it purely Korean ethnicity.
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Please don't forget to invite Boxer!
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White-ra winning over TLO in the finals is pretty perfect imo, TLO already had a 3 place, so with a second place is very sure to be in TSL3, while white-ra hadn't had that many points from lower placements, but now he is in
:D hope MorroW and some zerg qualifies soon
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@tester i rly hope for Huk !!
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Is White-Ra going to be interviewed like everyone else?
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On January 30 2011 20:33 Piski wrote:
Is White-Ra going to be interviewed like everyone else?
yes he will
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On January 30 2011 14:31 Tester wrote:
I'm assuming when Korea / Asia invites are done this will include IdrA, Jinro, & Ret. Since they live in Korea and are Code S / A or is it purely Korean ethnicity.
it is for players, who cannot play the Opens, so they will get invited
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On January 31 2011 07:19 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2011 14:31 Tester wrote:
I'm assuming when Korea / Asia invites are done this will include IdrA, Jinro, & Ret. Since they live in Korea and are Code S / A or is it purely Korean ethnicity. it is for players, who cannot play the Opens, so they will get invited
IdrA and Jinro will for sure.
Ret, Huk and Haypro are all code A so think they will get invite aswell but maybe not all.
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Great to see White Ra qualify and TLO all but qualify, without these two players the tournament would really be missing something IMO
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Does anyone know whats with dimaga, is he even playing this qualifiers or he has just some bad luck and loses in the early rounds?
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On January 31 2011 20:15 Makavw wrote:
Does anyone know whats with dimaga, is he even playing this qualifiers or he has just some bad luck and loses in the early rounds?
He was banned from TSL3 cuz of being a naughty person in the previous TSL.
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Oh yea, I completly forgot about that. Thanks
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Hey, no Idra this TSL? Sorry if ive been living under a rock. Was dreamin of a Tyler Idra rematch. Tyler fighting!
Edit: just read a couple posts above mine. Didnt think they might be part of the korean invites.
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Not a single EG member seems to be able to qualify for this :/ Pretty sad as an EG fan
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I wonder,
Are Sarens and DIMAGA banned for participating in TSL3? and if they are, are they still banned for future events?
I understand they are still unable to qualify for TSL3 but I don't think they should be for future since it was their 1st penalty. I like to hear some info about them (+ other disqualifiers who still play SC2 ofc)
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On February 06 2011 07:05 Tiwo wrote:
I wonder,
Are Sarens and DIMAGA banned for participating in TSL3? and if they are, are they still banned for future events?
I understand they are still unable to qualify for TSL3 but I don't think they should be for future since it was their 1st penalty. I like to hear some info about them (+ other disqualifiers who still play SC2 ofc)
original newspost.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=108352
as far as i know they were just banned for 12 months, (which should be over already) and tsl 3, so after this they should be free. some other sites dished out their own punnishments too but this is all tl did afaik.
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So that's probably all of the protoss players being invited hopefully, those 3 make sense though, Huk from TL, Genius, the Blizzcon winner, and MC the gsl season 3 winner.
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Zerg invites will probably be:
FruitDealer
Nestea
Idra
Ret
Haypro
FruitDealer & Nestea - two GSL winners, Idra because he's the top foreigner Zerg in Korea, Ret and Haypro because they're team liquid.
I would love to see more Korean Zergs like July or Kyrix instead, but I think liquid will probably want to invite their own guys.
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United States13896 Posts
Standings updated, though not sorted by ELO just yet. Adelscott looking good with a 2nd place and Ro8 finish.
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On February 06 2011 08:13 Wargizmo wrote:
Zerg invites will probably be:
FruitDealer
Nestea
Idra
Ret
Haypro
FruitDealer & Nestea - two GSL winners, Idra because he's the top foreigner Zerg in Korea, Ret and Haypro because they're team liquid.
I would love to see more Korean Zergs like July or Kyrix instead, but I think liquid will probably want to invite their own guys.
Yeah I would love to se July and Kyrix as well but also think Ret and haypro will get invite just because they are on TL team.
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On February 06 2011 08:13 Wargizmo wrote:
Zerg invites will probably be:
FruitDealer
Nestea
Idra
Ret
Haypro
FruitDealer & Nestea - two GSL winners, Idra because he's the top foreigner Zerg in Korea, Ret and Haypro because they're team liquid.
I would love to see more Korean Zergs like July or Kyrix instead, but I think liquid will probably want to invite their own guys.
I doubt it, weren't there only 8 spots for asian players? No way they give 8 spots to 5 zerg, 3 toss.
Probably Jinro, MVP, Idra, Ret, Nestea for the other 5 spots. Can't be certain though..
also, what about China, etc... idk for sure how they distribute the spots.
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United States1967 Posts
On February 06 2011 08:35 BraveGhost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 08:13 Wargizmo wrote:
Zerg invites will probably be:
FruitDealer
Nestea
Idra
Ret
Haypro
FruitDealer & Nestea - two GSL winners, Idra because he's the top foreigner Zerg in Korea, Ret and Haypro because they're team liquid.
I would love to see more Korean Zergs like July or Kyrix instead, but I think liquid will probably want to invite their own guys. I doubt it, weren't there only 8 spots for asian players? No way they give 8 spots to 5 zerg, 3 toss. Probably Jinro, MVP, Idra, Ret, Nestea for the other 5 spots. Can't be certain though.. also, what about China, etc... idk for sure how they distribute the spots.
There are 13 asia invites. 3 have been announced for protoss, so 10 remain for zerg/terran
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How come Morrow is so low on the standings didn't he reach the Finals, against Drewbie? Nevermind thats probably on the NA Opens. What's the point to win on NA and EU?
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MURICA15980 Posts
I'm guessing you're probably talking about the TL Opens before they counted as qualifiers for the TSL.
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I really wouldn't be too surprised if loner and moonglade make it for some diversity. Plus they are both worthy of being in the tourny.
My predictions:
Terran:
Jinro
MVP
MKP
Boxer/Nada
Loner
Zerg:
Nestea
Fruitdealer
Idra
Ret
Moonglade/Haypro
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alot of strong players from sweden.
Definate spots
T Jinro
Z IdrA+Ret+probably Haypro
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Australia8532 Posts
So many good players below the qualifier cut off point :/
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I hope there are a lot of asian zergs invited as there won't be many foreign ones qualifying aside from the ones that were seeded :/
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Mondragon go for Germany! *-*
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I'm really sad many players who's been showing great results since beta won't make it, whereas some who got lucky with brackets will (yea, I know it's also players' fault for not participating in all TLOs). There's 3 TLOs left BUT all the european players will be at assembly tournament next week, so Mana, Morrow, Sjow, Tarson who in my opinion all belong to TSL have just 2 tries left. As for US I hope Kiwikaki and Fenix -arguably top3 foreign P and T- make it.
btw, what about demuslim? Has he ever played a TLO? It's almost impossible for him to qualify now with his injury
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On February 06 2011 19:16 ondik wrote:I'm really sad many players who's been showing great results since beta won't make it, whereas some who got lucky with brackets will (yea, I know it's also players' fault for not participating in all TLOs). There's 3 TLOs left BUT all the european players will be at assembly tournament next week, so Mana, Morrow, Sjow, Tarson who in my opinion all belong to TSL have just 2 tries left. As for US I hope Kiwikaki and Fenix -arguably top3 foreign P and T- make it. btw, what about demuslim? Has he ever played a TLO? It's almost impossible for him to qualify now with his injury
Well its no ones fault but Demuslim that he wont be playing, I believe Mana and morrow are gunna get qualifier spots and I also think Sjow is going to win one outright, I dont have a need nor do I really want to see Tarson make it into the TSL, there are plenty of better Terrans I would prefer to see other than him, mainly Select. Yes gogo Kiwikaki, and as for Fenix he had a chance to win and he lost in the finals to cruncher but hes still got a good chance at qualifying. Theres only one player who I dont want to make it and thats Ciara and his BM, but he will most likely make it in as well. Anyway GL to all peeps with a chance to get in, and hopefully I get to lose to a Gosu this next upcoming tourny
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Isn't demuslim in korea right now? So technically could get an invite?
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Really nice to see new talent, and especially after watching the amazing play of ThorZAIN's... HOORAH!.
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On February 08 2011 00:45 noddyz wrote:
Isn't demuslim in korea right now? So technically could get an invite?
Where do people get ideas like these from?
He's not in Korea, and his arm is injured.
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On February 08 2011 00:43 FlashIsHigh wrote:Well its no ones fault but Demuslim that he wont be playing, I believe Mana and morrow are gunna get qualifier spots and I also think Sjow is going to win one outright, I dont have a need nor do I really want to see Tarson make it into the TSL, there are plenty of better Terrans I would prefer to see other than him, mainly Select. Yes gogo Kiwikaki, and as for Fenix he had a chance to win and he lost in the finals to cruncher but hes still got a good chance at qualifying. Theres only one player who I dont want to make it and thats Ciara and his BM, but he will most likely make it in as well. Anyway GL to all peeps with a chance to get in, and hopefully I get to lose to a Gosu this next upcoming tourny
Yea, I forgot Select also should be there.. and have the exactly same opinion about Ciara T_T (I thought there would be some warnings from TL admins after his initial run into semis(?) and stupid BM.. but there probably wasn't any as he didn't stop the BM in next tournaments. Well I'm sure it will be taken care of in TSL3 rules (if I'm not mistaken, there were some anti-BM rules in previous TSL)
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I was looking through posts and came across this
On February 07 2011 22:28 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2011 22:22 xtfftc wrote:
Well, Nyovne seems to be convinced that Idra won't be allow to participate in TSL (source: IRC). We will not introduce such a policy (banned from TL is banned from TSL) without plenty of warning in advance. If we do come to such a policy it will not be implemented by looking back in time and see who is banned, but only at who got banned after it was introduced. That would not be how we do things. This ban does not affect Idra regarding TSL3.
Looks like Nazgul confirms that Idra is going to TSL3, of course, it's kindof expected
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Considering he is one of the best foreigner zergs. It should come as no surprise. If one guy now living in Korea deserves an invite it would be Greg or Jon-o.
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Dunno if anyone counted on it, but i cant find any way that TLO does not end up in the top 8. So then he has qualified. But im not 100% sure i looked at every outcome.
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On February 13 2011 03:30 Sobba wrote:
Dunno if anyone counted on it, but i cant find any way that TLO does not end up in the top 8. So then he has qualified. But im not 100% sure i looked at every outcome.
there will be 2 more Qualifiers.
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On February 13 2011 05:19 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 03:30 Sobba wrote:
Dunno if anyone counted on it, but i cant find any way that TLO does not end up in the top 8. So then he has qualified. But im not 100% sure i looked at every outcome. there will be 2 more Qualifiers.
Obviously. But what i tried to look at was if 7 players or more could get 151p or more in 3 qualifiers. And i could not find a way for that to happend.
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pretty sure you can mathematically easily spread points so that TLO doesn't make it, realistically very unlikely though
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 13 2011 03:30 Sobba wrote:
Dunno if anyone counted on it, but i cant find any way that TLO does not end up in the top 8. So then he has qualified. But im not 100% sure i looked at every outcome.
Stay tuned for this weeks edition of Ladder Scenarios then!!
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MURICA15980 Posts
On February 13 2011 07:34 Sobba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2011 05:19 TBO wrote:On February 13 2011 03:30 Sobba wrote:
Dunno if anyone counted on it, but i cant find any way that TLO does not end up in the top 8. So then he has qualified. But im not 100% sure i looked at every outcome. there will be 2 more Qualifiers. Obviously. But what i tried to look at was if 7 players or more could get 151p or more in 3 qualifiers. And i could not find a way for that to happend.
Add 100 points to 7th and 8th place guys. Then add 51 twice (102) to 6th and 5th place guys. etc etc. Its possible but really really unlikely. If you wanna see it written out completely, tune in to Plexa's post next week =D
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Zeerax is a former pro gamer in warcraft 3, he played for SK.
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badass zerg invites, excited for nestea!
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excited to see what the new standings are like!
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United States13896 Posts
Updated. Standings are starting to tighten up at the top. Congrats to qxc for staying up until well past 2 am local time in Helsinki to take the Open!
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man rooting so hard for darkforce to qualify
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I believe by my math, it's literally impossible for TLO to not qualify via points with only 2 more qualifiers to go. There's still a slight chance for Ciara to be knocked out, but it would require basically everyone over 70 points to appear in the top 8 in the next 2 qualifiers.
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On February 13 2011 11:54 DreamScaR wrote:
I believe by my math, it's literally impossible for TLO to not qualify via points with only 2 more qualifiers to go. There's still a slight chance for Ciara to be knocked out, but it would require basically everyone over 70 points to appear in the top 8 in the next 2 qualifiers.
I looked it over briefly, and I think you're correct. I'm pretty sure TLO has 100% secured a spot. A bit premature, but I'm gonna say congrats to TLO now
edit: nvm, it is still possible I'll just join everyone else and play the "unlikely" card though
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I would love to see someone do the actual math on say the top 4 and what it would take for them to be knocked out of the top 8. I'd do it myself but I really don't want to.
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QXC is WC3 or BW? I reallllllly hope for BW but if not being from the US makes up for it
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Its easy to se the TLO aint 100% sure but the chance of him not makeing it is so so low that we can just as well say his in.
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 13 2011 12:47 FlashIsHigh wrote:
QXC is WC3 or BW? I reallllllly hope for BW but if not being from the US makes up for it
BW, he was B high and an active player in CSL
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On February 06 2011 08:13 Wargizmo wrote:
Zerg invites will probably be:
FruitDealer
Nestea
Idra
Ret
Haypro
FruitDealer & Nestea - two GSL winners, Idra because he's the top foreigner Zerg in Korea, Ret and Haypro because they're team liquid.
I would love to see more Korean Zergs like July or Kyrix instead, but I think liquid will probably want to invite their own guys.
Called it
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5 Terrans:
Jinro
MVP
Bomber
STC
MKP.WE
Maybe:
TOP
Maka
Boxer
Nada
But Jinro and MVP is forsure..
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On February 13 2011 13:43 Tygaa wrote:
5 Terrans:
Jinro
MVP
Bomber
STC
MKP.WE
Maybe:
TOP
Maka
Boxer
Nada
But Jinro and MVP is forsure..
I think it will be:
Jinro
MVP
MarineKing
Nada
Loner
MVP & MK - obviously the most successful Terrans, no brainers. Jinro obviously because he's Liquid. Nada - really big name + successful in Sc2 + oGs + boxer probably declined. Loner - just a hunch.
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There's are a lot of great players that won't get into TSL3. Hopefully MorroW gets through, even-though he only has 40 points.
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On February 13 2011 16:32 Brad wrote:
There's are a lot of great players that won't get into TSL3. Hopefully MorroW gets through, even-though he only has 40 points.
a second place(or first obs) would be so awesome, MorroW really derserves to get in
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Select HWAITING!!!!!! He really needs to qualify and Kiwikaki.
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Morrow, Sjow, KiwiKaki...I really hope they manage to make it in
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On February 13 2011 19:01 Numy wrote:
Select HWAIHTING!!!!!! He really needs to qualify and Kiwikaki.
My thoughts exactly. The upcoming NA Open should give them a chance to achieve that.
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My predictions for Terran invites:
Jinro
IMMvp
oGsNaDa or SlayerS'BoxeR
MarineKingPrime.WE
Last spot goes to any of these players
oGsTheStC
oGsTOP
oGsHyperdub
oGsEnsnare
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I miss quite a bunch of very good NA EU players on the list ((
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if they invite thestc i will stop needing porn to jerk off :3
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Personally, I'd rather see Loner get in over Nada.
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Just crunched the numbers; TLO has NOT secured a spot. but a lot of very specific things have to happen for him to drop out of the top 8. Mathematically, he is 99.99999999999999999% in.
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Why they invite only 3 protoss?
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On February 14 2011 06:54 pepeptium wrote:
Why they invite only 3 protoss?
because so many had qualified already + tyler i think, i hope morrow + sjow get a spot, then im happy
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I'm predicting the terran invites to be:
Jinro
Boxer
nada
MVP
Marineking.
MAYBE top instead of either boxer or nada.
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i hope for some reason they invite ST_BOMBER
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Terrans:
MVP
MKP
Bomber
Jinro
Boxer
Nada
I am also a litte bit dissappointed, that Julyzerg wasn't invited
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Once again great organization and a lot of big guns right here ! Very pumped for this event, even more than GSL.
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I sure hope Jinro gets invited. That's a given though, yeah?
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I just saw the Zerg invites and gasped. This is going to be the most amazing tourney ever. Period.
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I think it going to be MVP, MKP, Jinro, NaDa and Boxer, there may be others who play better, but no one draws a large crowd like NaDa and Boxer does.
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On February 15 2011 07:31 godemperor wrote:
I think it going to be MVP, MKP, Jinro, NaDa and Boxer, there may be others who play better, but no one draws a large crowd like NaDa and Boxer does.
Agreed & deservingly so.
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On February 14 2011 01:03 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
if they invite thestc i will stop needing porn to jerk off :3
Hells yes! Its a shame he can't play as much as others
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50120 Posts
On February 15 2011 23:39 gakkgakk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2011 01:03 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
if they invite thestc i will stop needing porn to jerk off :3 Hells yes! Its a shame he can't play as much as others
I agree,he has by far the best TvT I have ever seen in SC2,I still remember that Bo3 against clide on Gisado's(star challenge) stream.
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Seeing a pattern here with the winners of the Open.. .hm... go Ukraine?
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MURICA15980 Posts
Just noticed the pattern too haha
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On February 16 2011 07:25 sYz-Adrenaline wrote:
Seeing a pattern here with the winners of the Open.. .hm... go Ukraine?
Lol nice find. Strelok's turn?
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I'm leaning towards another Swede.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On February 16 2011 11:53 Klogon wrote:
Just noticed the pattern too haha
Hahah, I considered writing about that last week. Notice that it's a terran and a protoss from each country as well. Makes me think that the last two winners will have to be zergs from completely different countries that have red in their flag.
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Anyway! This time im sure. TLO cannot miss to qualify. I count a total of 7 players that can overtake him but not 8 so he should have qualified.
Ciara could miss still but that is sooo unlikely.
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Update now ^^
I want to see what it comes down to with Morrow.
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Is it just me or is this going to be one of the sickest tournys EVAR?!??
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If I calculated things correctly
1. 151 -  TLO
2. 140 -  MorroW
2. 140 - Ciara
4. 126 -  Adelscott
4. 126 -  Fenix
6. 114 - ZeeRaX
6. 114 - GoOdy
8. 103 - Strelok
-------------------------------------------------------- Qualifier Cutoff
9. 79 - Stephano
10. 77 - SeleCT
10. 77 - AllAboutYou
12. 68 - dde
13. 66 - KiWiKaKi
A bunch of players are tied at 65 including TT1 now. Hopefully I didnt make a mistake with the calculation just did it really quick for my own enjoyment
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Interesting that someone with no points could get 2nd place in Quali #8 and not qualify.
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Points Race
To start off let's look at the 'worst possible scenario' for the top 8
For example, if SeleCT and AllAboutYou made it to the RO4 and Stephano took 2nd place
1. 179 - Stephano
2. 151 - TLO
3. 140 - MorroW
3. 140 - Ciara
5. 128 - SeleCT
5. 128 - AllAboutYou
7. 126 - Adelscott
7. 126 - Fenix
From this we can see that the top 5 spots will belong to the people currently in the top eight
Right now, we can divide the qualifiers into three groups
Guaranteed qualifiers
1. 151 - TLO
2. 140 - MorroW
2. 140 - Ciara
This is because the 'worst possible scenario' for the top 8, would be 2 people in the top 13 making it to the RO4, and 1 Person in the top 30 making it to the RO2. There would be no way for these three to be displaced (well there is a way, see below, but I bet you a billion esports dollars that it won't happen)
2/5 guaranteed qualified
4. 126 - Adelscott
4. 126 - Fenix
6. 114 - ZeeRaX
6. 114 - GoOdy
8. 103 - Strelok
Since 5 of the top 8 have their positions guaranteed, these people are fighting for the ability to play in the top eight. If ZeeRaX, GoOdy and Strelock are able to finish RO8 or better, they could potentially knock Adelscott/Fenix off the charts. At the same time remember, these people have a really good chance of qualifying. If the semifinals are full of people who don't already have much points, ZeeRaZ and GoOdy have a good chance of qualifying.
The people shooting for the top
Because this is the last TL-Open qualifier, it's going to be really hard in order to try to crack the top 8, and the list is surprisingly small.
In fact, a RO2 finish might not guarantee you a qualifier spot. You need to already have a good amount of points in order to qualify off of a RO2 finish.
+ Show Spoiler [People who can qualify with a RO4 finish] +
The messed up case
In fact, there is a way that Ciara and MorroW would have their positions challenged, check it out here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=180961¤tpage=11#204. But we can be pretty sure this isn't going to happen. This requires that 5 specific people make it into the top eight from a pool of possibly every single programmer trying to fight for first.
I would like to congratulate TLO, Morrow, Ciara, they all deserve it.
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Damn this point cualifiers are getting tense this last TLOpen will be intense!!
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Braavos36374 Posts
On February 20 2011 10:55 LSB wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Points RaceRight now, we know that these players have qualified. 1. 151 - TLO2. 140 - MorroW2. 140 - Ciara4. 126 - Adelscott4. 126 - FenixThis is because the 'worst possible scenario' for the top 8, would be 2 people in the top 13 making it to the RO4, and 1 Person in the top 30 making it to the RO2. For example, if SeleCT and AllAboutYou made it to the RO4 and Stephano took 2nd place, the top 8 would look like 1. 179 - Stephano2. 151 - TLO3. 140 - MorroW3. 140 - Ciara5. 128 - SeleCT5. 128 - AllAboutYou7. 126 - Adelscott7. 126 - FenixI would like to congratulate TLO, Morrow, Ciara, Adelscott and Fenix in making the TSL, they all deserve it. Race distribution of TSL 3Right now, 9  , 9  , 9  , 1  have qualified. This means that the matchups will be varied, unlike IEM. I'm looking forward to this
I don't think this is correct. Fenix and Adel are not 100% qualified. I don't even think Morrow and Ciara are 100% qualified.
edit: I edited your post in case a player believes it's true and doesn't play next week.
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I think he's right actually. Only players in the top4 of Quali#8 can catch them. Anybody who takes 5th and beyond will not win enough points to take their seats, which means there will be a maximum of 3 new people (or 4 if one of the top 8 actually wins the tournament) to be points qualifiers.
Seats at risk:
6. 114 - (T)ESC.GoOdy
7. 114 - (P)ZeeRaX
8. 103 - (T)mouz.Strelok
If someone in the top 8 does not win Quali#8, I also think we can safely say that only these players:
9. 79 - (Z)Mill.Stephano
10. 77 - (T)dignitas.SeleCt
10. 77 - (T)FXO.mOoNan
have a chance by placing 5th-8th (26 points to catch Strelok at 103) or better. Anybody below them will have to make the final 4 to qualify.
Now if somebody in the top 8 right now actually wins the tournament, the cut-off bar will drop a whopping 24 points, so a few more people will have the chance to to sneak in by making the Ro8.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Couldn't this happen:
1. 151 - TLAF-Liquid`TLO
2. 140 - ieS-Ciara
3. 140 - mouz.MorroW
4. 126 - Mill.Adelscott
4. 126 - FnaticMSI.Fenix
6. 114 - ESC.GoOdy +26 (5th-8th)
7. 114 - ZeeRaX +26 (5th-8th)
8. 103 - mouz.Strelok +51 (3rd/4th)
----------------------------------------------------- Qualifier cutoff
9. 79 - Mill.Stephano +51 (3rd/4th)
10. 77 - dignitas.SeleCt +100 (2nd)
10. 77 - FXO.mOoNan WIN (1st)
which would end up
1. 177 Select
2. 154 Strelok
3. 151 TLO
4. 140 Ciara
4. 140 Morrow
4. 140 Goody
4. 140 Zeerax
8. 130 Stephano
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9. 126 Adel
10. 126 Fenix
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Also, if Adel and Fenix finish Ro16 and get +14 each, we could have a potential SIX WAY TIE for five spots 4-8 @ 140 points?
Thus, even Ciara and Morrow's point values aren't 100% safe for qualification.
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Interesting. So you'r esaying Adelscott and Fenix, in situations where many of the 6-10 guys place in reverse order, are also at risk? I can buy that. How about Morrow and Ciara? Do you think there's a way that they aren't a lock??
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All I know is Kiwikaki deserves to be in this TSL, and im really rooting hard for him. Its gunna be tough as hell tho, especially since Select and Sjow havent qualified. Sjow has been playing bad since his destruction of everyone in the IEM EU finals, but honestly you cant expect a player like him to slump for long. Theres gunna be some ppl qualifying that imo dont deserve a spot, but then I guess its no ones fault but the players themselves if they didnt participate in the qualifiers
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Braavos36374 Posts
On February 20 2011 13:18 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
Interesting. So you'r esaying Adelscott and Fenix, in situations where many of the 6-10 guys place in reverse order, are also at risk? I can buy that. How about Morrow and Ciara? Do you think there's a way that they aren't a lock??
Yes, since theres multiple ways for there to be many players tied at 140, they could theoretically be knocked out in a playoff. It's very unlikely but possible. The only player 100% guaranteed to qualify right now is TLO.
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On February 20 2011 13:18 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
Interesting. So you'r esaying Adelscott and Fenix, in situations where many of the 6-10 guys place in reverse order, are also at risk? I can buy that. How about Morrow and Ciara? Do you think there's a way that they aren't a lock??
Lets say this happens Kiwikaki gets in second and gets 100 points moving him up to 166. Strelok and Zeerax place in the semis getting them up to 154 and 165 respectively. Goody gets a ro8 getting him up to 140. Fenix and Adel get a round of 8 moving them up to 152. Morrow makes a round of 16 moving him up to 154.
Kiwi is 1, Zeerax is 2, Strelok and Morrow are 3/4, TLO is 5, Fenix and Adel are 6/7, and Ciara and Goody are 8/9.
So it seems like Hot_Bid said that 140 gets you at least a playoff for the spot in the TSL. Anymore and you are guaranteed a spot and any less and you could make it or you could not depending on how others fair.
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You're right. In a worst case scenario for Ciara and Morrow, it could end up like you said:
1. 170+ 2nd place finisher
2. 165 Zeerax
3. 154 Strelok
4. 151 TLO
5-9. 140 Ciara
5-9. 140 Morrow
5-9. 140 Goody
5-9. 140 Fenix
5-9. 140 Adelscott
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For some reason dKiller is shown as protoss
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Of course, the odds of such a scenario are less than microscopic. Ciara, Morrow, Adelscott and Fenix are virtually guaranteed qualification.
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United States1967 Posts
On February 20 2011 14:28 Exteray wrote:
For some reason dKiller is shown as protoss
fixed
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No North American player in top 8 point rankings and just 2 of them won a direct qualifier. Looks like we will have more Koreans in TSL than US/Canadian players. Nice to see that there is a good chance that at least one South American Player will make it in.
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YEEES Morrow has good chance of going to TSL3 :D awesome!
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On February 20 2011 13:49 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
You're right. In a worst case scenario for Ciara and Morrow, it could end up like you said:
1. 170+ 2nd place finisher
2. 165 Zeerax
3. 154 Strelok
4. 151 TLO
5-9. 140 Ciara
5-9. 140 Morrow
5-9. 140 Goody
5-9. 140 Fenix
5-9. 140 Adelscott
This is correct. Nobody is safe muahaha. 0.0001% chance Morrow doesn't qualify.
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Congrats to Morrow for qualifying . Now I really hope that Select can get enough points together to go through if its possible. He needs 2nd or better doesn't he?
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Select will probably be fine with a 3rd-4th place finish too.
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i hope a zerg will win the next tournament, gogo morrow
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 20 2011 20:20 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2011 13:49 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote:
You're right. In a worst case scenario for Ciara and Morrow, it could end up like you said:
1. 170+ 2nd place finisher
2. 165 Zeerax
3. 154 Strelok
4. 151 TLO
5-9. 140 Ciara
5-9. 140 Morrow
5-9. 140 Goody
5-9. 140 Fenix
5-9. 140 Adelscott
This is correct. Nobody is safe muahaha. 0.0001% chance Morrow doesn't qualify.
But you are incorrect! TLO is 100% safe now. There are only four people who can overtake him without making it into the semifinal, and there are only 3 people who can get semifinal/final points (one of the top four will always instantly qualify). That means TLO can drop at most 7 places - ie. he's in!
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wheres incontrol
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On February 20 2011 13:08 Hot_Bid wrote:
Couldn't this happen:
1. 151 - TLAF-Liquid`TLO
2. 140 - ieS-Ciara
3. 140 - mouz.MorroW
4. 126 - Mill.Adelscott
4. 126 - FnaticMSI.Fenix
6. 114 - ESC.GoOdy +26 (5th-8th)
7. 114 - ZeeRaX +26 (5th-8th)
8. 103 - mouz.Strelok +51 (3rd/4th)
----------------------------------------------------- Qualifier cutoff
9. 79 - Mill.Stephano +51 (3rd/4th)
10. 77 - dignitas.SeleCt +100 (2nd)
10. 77 - FXO.mOoNan WIN (1st)
which would end up
1. 177 Select
2. 154 Strelok
3. 151 TLO
4. 140 Ciara
4. 140 Morrow
4. 140 Goody
4. 140 Zeerax
8. 130 Stephano
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9. 126 Adel
10. 126 Fenix
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Also, if Adel and Fenix finish Ro16 and get +14 each, we could have a potential SIX WAY TIE for five spots 4-8 @ 140 points?
Thus, even Ciara and Morrow's point values aren't 100% safe for qualification.
Ah yes, I forgot that point, 1 sec, I'll modify my post.
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Go Canada!!!
With kiwi, tt1, and dde all within 40 points of breaking 100, I think there´s a reasonable chance that HuK might not be the ONLY Canadian in this tournament. Just need to get one of those guys in the top four and I´ll be a heck of a happy camper.
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On February 21 2011 01:09 Grantler wrote:wheres incontrol
He's way out of the picture.
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I hope TL does another one of those TL Ladder posts, like last week, with the complete break-down.
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Come on Select. You can make it!
On February 20 2011 19:48 TBO wrote:
No North American player in top 8 point rankings and just 2 of them won a direct qualifier. Looks like we will have more Koreans in TSL than US/Canadian players. Nice to see that there is a good chance that at least one South American Player will make it in.
With Tyler, Cruncher, QxC, Idra, and Huk that's still a good representation from NA even if no one else from the USA or Canada makes it.
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Just need TT1 and Kiwikaki to do well in the next Qualifier and I'll be happy!
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On February 21 2011 01:09 Grantler wrote:wheres incontrol
Don't really consider him a superstar player (which vast majority of TSL is). Good coach, funny caster, and can hold idra in a single hand, but he hasn't had very impressive results in any notable tourney.
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this is going to be HUGE cant wait :3
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I would actually love to see dde make it. He has played consistently well throughout the qualifiers and has more scoring performances then any other player. Even though he hasn't made it past the quarters yet it would be nice to see the dedication and consistently good play rewarded. Plus, any extra Canadian content makes me giddy.
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Gonna try my best to pull out a miracle top 2 finish this weekend. Good luck to everyone!
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Protoss: (8)
Zerg: (7)
Terran: (8)
TSL3 will bring balance to the Force
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On February 23 2011 12:51 Pokebunny wrote:
Gonna try my best to pull out a miracle top 2 finish this weekend. Good luck to everyone!
not if i do it first!
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On February 23 2011 20:17 SmoKim wrote:
Protoss: (8)
Zerg: (7)
Terran: (8)
TSL3 will bring balance to the Force
dont forget the one and only random, TLO! :D
but yeah good mix/balance of races
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On February 24 2011 04:33 hyunGGe wrote:Show nested quote +
On February 23 2011 20:17 SmoKim wrote:
Protoss: (8)
Zerg: (7)
Terran: (8)
TSL3 will bring balance to the Force
dont forget the one and only random, TLO! :D but yeah good mix/balance of races
he is the Ani... nvm let's go with Luke !
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OP needs to be updated to link to Nightend's interview~
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United States13896 Posts
On February 25 2011 21:05 Pervect wrote:
OP needs to be updated to link to Nightend's interview~
Thanks for reminding me, updated now!
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nope distribution imba need more random players!
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United States13896 Posts
I'll be keeping this thread updated throughout the tournament today! GL to all the players who have signed up, should be an exciting day of SC2!
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Aren't Adelscott and Fenix locked for TSL3 as well?
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I think Stephano can still qualify... if any of the top8 players wins the tournament and no one gets over him in the ranking !
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YES morrow and Ciara are in =D this is so awesome, zerg/morrow/DENMARK fighting !
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Strelok just lost and is not going to make TSL since SeleCT made ro16 and will pass him. (unless select gets first he got a chance)
EDIT: my bad im worng dident know the points from today were already added to select.
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In other news GoOdy has a guaranteed qualifier spot now that he passed Adelscott.
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Edit: I should learn to read latest post, sorry. Anywaaays.
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On February 27 2011 05:52 chanpa wrote:
Strelok is out since SeleCt has got at the minimum 14 points which brings him to 105 and pushes Strelok down to 9th.
If Select wins and qualifies directly Strelok still has a chance.
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United States13896 Posts
Worst case scenario right now for Adelscott and Fenix is they have to play a playoff for the final ladder points spot. They cannot be eliminated from contention at the moment.
ZeeRaX and Strelok still have a chance but their spots are really in jeopardy at this point.
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I haven't read through the thread, but isn't QXC Canadian?
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On February 27 2011 06:36 craz3d wrote:
I haven't read through the thread, but isn't QXC Canadian?
No, he's American.
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On February 27 2011 06:45 theherder2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 06:36 craz3d wrote:
I haven't read through the thread, but isn't QXC Canadian? No, he's American. Hasn't SeleCT surpassed Strelok at this point? 105 pnts to 103?
na the standings are always updated. He has to win vs goody.
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On February 27 2011 06:46 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 06:45 theherder2 wrote:On February 27 2011 06:36 craz3d wrote:
I haven't read through the thread, but isn't QXC Canadian? No, he's American. Hasn't SeleCT surpassed Strelok at this point? 105 pnts to 103? na the standings are always updated. He has to win vs goody.
well no thats not true. if he loses v goody he gets 14 points. if he wins v goody he gets 26 pnts if he loses in the Ro8.
I guess it hasn't updated since if SeleCT wins the whole thing and auto qualifies Strelok would still be in 8th
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United States13896 Posts
Select came into the day with 77 points. He's attained 26 more points by getting to the Ro8 today, so he has 103. A win against Kawaii here puts SeleCt into the TSL.
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On February 27 2011 07:53 p4NDemik wrote:
Select came into the day with 77 points. He's attained 26 more points by getting to the Ro8 today, so he has 103. A win against Kawaii here puts SeleCt into the TSL.
If Hasu beats him in the semis it all changes however. Doesn't it?
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On February 27 2011 07:54 Skillz_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 07:53 p4NDemik wrote:
Select came into the day with 77 points. He's attained 26 more points by getting to the Ro8 today, so he has 103. A win against Kawaii here puts SeleCt into the TSL. If Hasu beats him in the semis it all changes however. Doesn't it?
No both him and Hasu will be sure to make TSL then since they will both pass ZeeRaX and VIBE cant pass them in points since he started with 14 I think.
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what now?
answer the spoiler if you know all results... im a bit confused
+ Show Spoiler +
since select lost to kawaii and hasu is in ro4 - doesnt that mean, hasu is qulified?
strelok select 103, hasu ??? dont know if he has 103 with his ro8 or his ro4 achievement...
if not so - what if it is a 3 way tie? i mean - kawaii only passes them if he wins - and then hes qualified directly - so 3 way tie anway... am i right?^^]
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How many points did kawaii start with before the start of this TL Open
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Wow wow 7/8 is so up in the air. Getting intense.
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On February 27 2011 08:20 DiaBoLuS wrote:what now? answer the spoiler if you know all results... im a bit confused + Show Spoiler +
since select lost to kawaii and hasu is in ro4 - doesnt that mean, hasu is qulified?
strelok select 103, hasu ??? dont know if he has 103 with his ro8 or his ro4 achievement...
if not so - what if it is a 3 way tie? i mean - kawaii only passes them if he wins - and then hes qualified directly - so 3 way tie anway... am i right?^^]
+ Show Spoiler +You are forgetting the other side of the bracket and zeerax. Pretty sure select is out.
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quoting mdma-_-:
+ Show Spoiler +Scenarios:
1. Hasu / 2. McLeod
- Zeerax qualifies, Strelok and Select tied for 8. place.
1. Hasu / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.Kawaii / 2. McLeod
-Zeerax qualifies, 3-way-tie between Strelok/Hasu/Select
1.Kawaii / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.McLeod/Vibe / 2. Hasu/Kawaii
- Zeerax and Hasu/Kawaii qualify
So yeah, Zeerax is in for sure. And Select/Strelok have to hope for McLeod taking 2nd place.
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On February 27 2011 08:25 Kuri wrote:
How many points did kawaii start with before the start of this TL Open
40, he's at 91 now, its just not updated yet.
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On February 27 2011 08:27 BatCat wrote:quoting mdma-_-: + Show Spoiler +Scenarios:
1. Hasu / 2. McLeod
- Zeerax qualifies, Strelok and Select tied for 8. place.
1. Hasu / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.Kawaii / 2. McLeod
-Zeerax qualifies, 3-way-tie between Strelok/Hasu/Select
1.Kawaii / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.McLeod/Vibe / 2. Hasu/Kawaii
- Zeerax and Hasu/Kawaii qualify
So yeah, Zeerax is in for sure. And Select/Strelok have to hope for McLeod taking 2nd place.
Hasu already made it and passed zeerax in points so it cant be a 3-way-tie, his points just aint updated. (I think)
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On February 27 2011 08:28 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 08:25 Kuri wrote:
How many points did kawaii start with before the start of this TL Open 40, he's at 91 now, its just not updated yet.
So if he makes the final he's guaranteed a spot in TSL? I'm rooting for him though.
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On February 27 2011 08:31 TaKemE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 08:27 BatCat wrote:quoting mdma-_-: + Show Spoiler +Scenarios:
1. Hasu / 2. McLeod
- Zeerax qualifies, Strelok and Select tied for 8. place.
1. Hasu / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.Kawaii / 2. McLeod
-Zeerax qualifies, 3-way-tie between Strelok/Hasu/Select
1.Kawaii / 2. Vibe
-Zeerax and Vibe qualify.
1.McLeod/Vibe / 2. Hasu/Kawaii
- Zeerax and Hasu/Kawaii qualify
So yeah, Zeerax is in for sure. And Select/Strelok have to hope for McLeod taking 2nd place.
Hasu already made it and passed zeerax in points so it cant be a 3-way-tie, his points just aint updated. (I think)
hasu had 52 points before todays tlopen. His point are correct.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=196273
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United States13896 Posts
Sorry guys was busy crunching out the scenarios. The OP is fully updated now. Here are the scenarios for the Semi-Finals and Finals:
+ Show Spoiler [Scenarios] +If Kawaii wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4, and Kawaii wins the finals:
Kawaii advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX advances to TSL3 by way of points, and there is a three way tie for the final ladder qualifying position. (between Strelok, SeleCt, and HasuObs).
If Kawaii wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4 and mcleod wins the finals:
mcleod advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, KawaiiRice and ZeeRax advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the final two spots. Strelok, Select, and HasuObs are eliminated.
If Kawaii wins Ro4, ViBE wins Ro4, and Kawaii wins the finals:
Kawaii advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX and ViBE tie with 114 points taking the final two point qualifier spots. Strelok, Select, and HasuObs are eliminated.
If Kawaii wins Ro4, ViBE wins Ro4, and ViBE wins the finals:
ViBE advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, Kawaii and ZeeRaX advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the final two spots. Strelok, Select, and HasuObs are eliminated.
If Hasu wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4, and Hasu wins the finals:
Hasu advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX advances to TSL3 by way of points, and there is a two way tie for the final ladder qualifying position. (between Strelok and SeleCt).
If Hasu wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4, and mcleod wins the finals:
mcleod advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX and HasuObs advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the final two spots. Strelok and Select are eliminated.
If Hasu wins Ro4, ViBE wins Ro4, and Hasu wins the finals:
Hasu advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ViBE and ZeeRaX advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the final two spots. Strelok and Select are eliminated.
If Hasu wins Ro4, ViBE wins Ro4, and ViBE wins the finals:
ViBE advances to TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, HasuObs and ZeeRaX advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the last two spots. Strelok and Select are eliminated.
This is a better summary of the players chances:- ZeeRaX is a lock for TSL3 in any event.
- mcleod must win the tournament to get into TSL3.
- Kawaii must at least advance to the finals to get into TSL3.
- ViBE must at least advance to the finals to get into TSL3.
- HasuObs can advance to the finals to assure his placement into the TSL3. He can still find himself in a tiebreaker if Kawaii wins and mcleod comes in 2nd.
- Strelok and SeleCt can only hope that mcleod makes it to the finals but does not win. If he does, they find themselves in a tiebreaker for the final spot (may be a 2 or 3 way tiebreaker). If He does not, they are eliminated.
mcloed, Kawaii, ViBE, and HasuObs all control their own fates.
HasuObs still has a chance even if he loses.
Strelok and Select's chances rest entirely on mcleod's results.
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I find myself rooting for the 3-way tie scenario just so we have an awesome playoff next weekend
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Looks like djWheat hadn't realised that the results in the OP were already updated.
No big.
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United States17042 Posts
If Hasu wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4, and Hasu wins the finals:
Hasu advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX advances to TSL3 by way of points, and there is a two way tie for the final ladder qualifying position. (between Strelok and SeleCt).
If Hasu wins Ro4, mcleod wins Ro4, and mcleod wins the finals:
mcleod advances to the TSL3 by way of winning TL Open #15, ZeeRaX and HasuObs advance to TSL3 by way of points, taking the final two spots. Strelok and Select are eliminated.
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Alright, if hasu wins, then select and strelok will be tied for 8th, and mccloud will not get in.
If mccloud wins, both select and strelok are out and hasu will get in.
Am I correct?
hmm I hope hasu wins, I want TLO to have the most points.
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United States7481 Posts
On February 27 2011 10:32 Munk-E wrote:
Alright, if hasu wins, then select and strelok will be tied for 8th, and mccloud will not get in.
If mccloud wins, both select and strelok are out and hasu will get in.
Am I correct?
yes, that's precisely it.
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so 7 or possibly all 8 of the point qualifiers will be the second place finishers...I thought this would happen. the point differentials between placements were just too high.
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United States13896 Posts
These are totally updated now. All scenarios are lined up above by GHOSTCLAW.
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On February 27 2011 10:32 Munk-E wrote:
Alright, if hasu wins, then select and strelok will be tied for 8th, and mccloud will not get in.
If mccloud wins, both select and strelok are out and hasu will get in.
Am I correct?
hmm I hope hasu wins, I want TLO to have the most points.
McLeod man, McLeod. Like Highlander without the a [MacLeod].
On a more serious note, the other participating players will receive a similar sketch of awesomeness like the three seeds did, right?
I think the player pictures made specifically for TSL2 were a pretty cool idea and made the presentation look that much more professional.
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Select vs Strelok is gonna be intense
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wow thats a pretty sick racial distribution. im excitedly anticipating a great variety of matchups
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The TSL3 is gonna be a pretty European affair--I count 3 US players
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On February 27 2011 11:35 SmoKim wrote:
Select vs Strelok is gonna be intense
Definitely, probably the most intense tournament finals ever...
Gogogogo SelecT!
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is select vs strelok gonna be casted now??
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Hey em.. don't want to sound stupid (results spoiler) + Show Spoiler + but cloud had 65 points before TSL15, since he got second place he should have 165? I think there's something in the points that I'm totally not getting.. lol :s
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On February 27 2011 11:38 Incognoto wrote:
Hey em.. don't want to sound stupid but cloud had 65 points before TSL15, since he got second place he should have 165? I think there's something in the points that I'm totally not getting.. lol :s
MYM Cloud and mcleod are two different people
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On February 27 2011 11:38 Incognoto wrote:Hey em.. don't want to sound stupid (results spoiler) + Show Spoiler + but cloud had 65 points before TSL15, since he got second place he should have 165? I think there's something in the points that I'm totally not getting.. lol :s
Mcleod =/= Cloud
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cheering for you guys! win this for the swarm!
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So what is going to happen with the tie breaker ? Are they going to have a BO3 to see who gets the spot ?
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On February 27 2011 11:43 Beneather wrote:
So what is going to happen with the tie breaker ? Are they going to have a BO3 to see who gets the spot ?
I'm curious about this too, is it today or going to be scheduled for another time? anybody have any idea?
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Ah hey thanks guys. ^^""" i realised my mistake, misheard on the stream. sorry 'bout that
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Where are the americans?!
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On February 27 2011 11:40 a176 wrote:cheering for you guys! win this for the swarm!
no love for Sen and mondragon?
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we got 7 Koreans, 5 from Sweden, 4/5 from the States, 4 Germans, 2/3 from the Ukraine. These players make 2/3. Those are the most important esports countries in the world.
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On February 27 2011 11:53 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:40 a176 wrote:cheering for you guys! win this for the swarm! no love for Sen and mondragon?
eternal love for them <3
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strelok vs select will be sooo awesome to watch, cant wait
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Damn only 2 Z's qualified through the opens? 5 invites was a good call. lmao
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hope select gets in :D
looks like a really good line up!
forigner to win it please xD
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Damn only 2 Z's qualified through the opens? 5 invites was a good call. lmao
I agree. Without 7 Zerg invites (2 from TSL2, 5 from Korea), this would be a rather Zergless tournament :O!
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On February 27 2011 12:55 Andwhy wrote:Show nested quote +Damn only 2 Z's qualified through the opens? 5 invites was a good call. lmao I agree. Without 7 Zerg invites (2 from TSL2, 5 from Korea), this would be a rather Zergless tournament :O!
Thats the way I like tournaments... without zerg
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SeleCt Fighting!!!! I want to see Select in TSL3!!!! He'll beat Strelok to do that!!! :D
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On February 27 2011 12:59 FlashIsHigh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 12:55 Andwhy wrote:Damn only 2 Z's qualified through the opens? 5 invites was a good call. lmao I agree. Without 7 Zerg invites (2 from TSL2, 5 from Korea), this would be a rather Zergless tournament :O! Thats the way I like tournaments... without zerg
If I had it my way, the entire tournament would be TvT.
I mean honestly, TvT: Great matchup or GREATEST matchup?!?!
A:+ Show Spoiler +
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early predictions? gotta be a korean, right?
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this selection process has been totally awesome.
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we germans are so great, 4 qualified players hell yeah.
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Hasu! So nice, one of my protoss Idols have qualified, sad that another one - Socke - didn't =(
But damn, so many good tosses, nice 
11P 9Z 11T seems to be quite good balance, IMO! TSL3 should be amazing 
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On February 27 2011 11:44 billyX333 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 11:43 Beneather wrote:
So what is going to happen with the tie breaker ? Are they going to have a BO3 to see who gets the spot ?
I'm curious about this too, is it today or going to be scheduled for another time? anybody have any idea?
Should happen Saturday next week, along with the planned bracket show
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haha I am so happy for Hasu, didn't think he had it in him ^^
Anyway, pretty resounding performances by the Euro scene in the qualis, stealing pretty much every spot except 3 of 15.
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On February 27 2011 17:19 arew wrote:
11P 9Z 11T seems to be quite good balance,
9 zergs, 7 invited, 2 qualified out of 16 spots and that out of points.
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On February 27 2011 17:40 ThePhan2m wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 17:19 arew wrote:
11P 9Z 11T seems to be quite good balance, 9 zergs, 7 invited, 2 qualified out of 16 spots and that out of points.
Could be an expression of many rounds of bo1? Thinner line of safety against cheese as zerg? Less safe and secure plays against massive cheese?
Just some ideas
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Damn... KawaiiRice so close. Moonan too.
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Really have been hoping for SeleCt to pull through these last few weeks of qualifiers, only to find myself riding on the edge of my seat. Looks like that will continue for like the 4th straight weekend with the tiebreaker next week.
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Another WC3 guy makes it into the final round ! That's 6 out of 8, always great to see such players performing well with such a nice style. Hoping they will do well in the main tournament. Cheering for Sen as well because he's way too good ^_^
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Now that i could look on the final list of qualified players (except select n strelok), i have to say...
holy fucking moly! tsl has to come now!!!! all this ultra nice names.....for one purpose....PUTTING THEIRSELVES ON THE LINE TO GET BEATEN UP BY MONDRAGON :D
omg, did i shit in my pants?!
mondi hwaiting!
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On February 27 2011 21:14 gwaihir wrote:
Now that i could look on the final list of qualified players (except select n strelok), i have to say...
holy fucking moly! tsl has to come now!!!! all this ultra nice names.....for one purpose....PUTTING THEIRSELVES ON THE LINE TO GET BEATEN UP BY MONDRAGON :D
omg, did i shit in my pants?!
mondi hwaiting!
you are my kind of fan ^___^
Dissy fighting!!!
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Very nice race distribution in the TSL. This is going to be very interesting
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On February 27 2011 18:32 p4NDemik wrote:
Really have been hoping for SeleCt to pull through these last few weeks of qualifiers, only to find myself riding on the edge of my seat. Looks like that will continue for like the 4th straight weekend with the tiebreaker next week.
Cannot agree with you more. Have been watching SeleCT always at the semi/quarter finals playing the edge of seat TvT's. Anyway I hope it will be an awesome tie breaker!
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Good ammount of Protoss is nice to see :D
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I know there are lots of stat-geeks (no hating) here at TL, it would be raelly nice if someone would make a stat concerning races, percentages of participating, winning a qualifier, qualifying trough due to points, making it to ro16, 8, 4,2 .... maybe even map-stats breakdown and stuff like this.
I would love that, thank you
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On February 27 2011 18:32 p4NDemik wrote:
Really have been hoping for SeleCt to pull through these last few weeks of qualifiers, only to find myself riding on the edge of my seat. Looks like that will continue for like the 4th straight weekend with the tiebreaker next week.
I kind of feel the same way haha.
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SeleCT > Strelok
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Interesting - Almost even race distribution!
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TSL is gonna feel kinda weird without Brat_OK. It's also a shame there will be no Sjow, for different reasons of course. Still gonna be really really really good though. :D:D:D
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On February 28 2011 07:00 MrSexington wrote:SeleCT < Strelok
fixed it for you
i hope the terrans gonna play well. not just 1 base timing attackcrap. As how empire.kas (kas sounds like kaas witch is the dutch word for cheese....) won his TLopen for example.
'Thats said, Hope Jinro, Idra and Tyler gonna play wel!
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On February 28 2011 03:59 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2011 18:32 p4NDemik wrote:
Really have been hoping for SeleCt to pull through these last few weeks of qualifiers, only to find myself riding on the edge of my seat. Looks like that will continue for like the 4th straight weekend with the tiebreaker next week. I kind of feel the same way haha.
me too, really pulling here for select
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Remember when Select won 2 TLOpens in a row? Then they started mattering a lot more, but his runs before were beastly.
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On March 01 2011 02:45 MoreFaSho wrote:
Remember when Select won 2 TLOpens in a row? Then they started mattering a lot more, but his runs before were beastly.
Well, there weren't many top players participating. It was just another 100$ cup.
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I believe in Strelok, though Select is a beast
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Select vs Strelok tiebreaker after 8 qualifying tournaments - you couldn't have scripted this stuff better if you tried! :D
Should give that extra oomph to next week's bracket show, I assume the series will be casted on the main stream?
Some more stats for the interested (an expansion of those already mentioned in the OP)
Continental distribution:
EU: 16 players (1 seed; 3 invites; 6 win qualifiers; 6 point qualifiers)
NA: 6 players (1 seed; 2 invites; 2 win qualifiers; 1 point qualifier)
KR/SEA: 9 players (1 seed, 8 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 0 point qualifiers)
EU/NA obviously have one possible point qualifier pending.
Racial distribution:
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ricon_small.png) : 1 (0 seeds, 0 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 1 point qualifier)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Zicon_small.png) : 9 (2 seeds; 5 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 2 point qualifiers)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Ticon_small.png) : 11 (0 seeds, 5 invites; 3 win qualifiers; 3 point qualifiers)
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/Picon_small.png) : 11 (1 seed, 3 invites; 5 win qualifiers; 2 point qualifiers)
TLOpen qualifier distribution:
EU players won 6 TLOpens, NA players won 2. 5 Protoss and 3 Terrans were victorious.
Consistency Award:
This one goes out to dde, which is the only player who managed to get into the points of 4 different qualifiers. Definitely deserves some recognition for that, poor guy.
On February 28 2011 10:53 sylverfyre wrote:
Interesting - Almost even race distribution! Yeah, it's pretty awesome, but in no small part due to 7 of the 9 Zergs being invites/seeds from a BW tournament. :p
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Shh, stop raining on my zerg parade!
Also, I wonder how many top players from NA were playing in the EU tournaments and vice versa? Lot more EU players qualifying than NA - I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot of one-way-ness in that aspect (as in, more EU players attempting the NA tournaments than NA players attempting the EU tournaments.)
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On March 01 2011 11:22 Bobster wrote:Consistency Award: This one goes out to dde, which is the only player who managed to get into the points of 4 different qualifiers. Definitely deserves some recognition for that, poor guy.
Poor guy. Originally looking at the point distribution I thought that coming in second wasn't as important but apparently its almost mandatory (and once you get 2nd you have a ridiculously good chance at qualifying). Im not sure if thats really a bad thing though but it really sucks for those consistent people that tried every single time to be beat out by someone who tried once and made it.
Should be a great TSL though
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On March 01 2011 05:17 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 02:45 MoreFaSho wrote:
Remember when Select won 2 TLOpens in a row? Then they started mattering a lot more, but his runs before were beastly. Well, there weren't many top players participating. It was just another 100$ cup.
Not true. In the final 3 rounds of one of them he played Sjow who beat Qxc and then lalush in finals who beat Liquid`Tyler earlier. It really aws not just another $100 cup, plenty of strong players, maybe not quite as strong, still to win 2 500 player tournaments is beastly.
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On March 01 2011 11:22 Bobster wrote:Select vs Strelok tiebreaker after 8 qualifying tournaments - you couldn't have scripted this stuff better if you tried! :D Should give that extra oomph to next week's bracket show, I assume the series will be casted on the main stream? Some more stats for the interested (an expansion of those already mentioned in the OP) Continental distribution:EU: 16 players (1 seed; 3 invites; 6 win qualifiers; 6 point qualifiers) NA: 6 players (1 seed; 2 invites; 2 win qualifiers; 1 point qualifier) KR/SEA: 9 players (1 seed, 8 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 0 point qualifiers) EU/NA obviously have one possible point qualifier pending. Racial distribution:: 1 (0 seeds, 0 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 1 point qualifier) : 9 (2 seeds; 5 invites; 0 win qualifiers; 2 point qualifiers) : 11 (0 seeds, 5 invites; 3 win qualifiers; 3 point qualifiers) : 11 (1 seed, 3 invites; 5 win qualifiers; 2 point qualifiers) TLOpen qualifier distribution:EU players won 6 TLOpens, NA players won 2. 5 Protoss and 3 Terrans were victorious. Consistency Award: This one goes out to dde, which is the only player who managed to get into the points of 4 different qualifiers. Definitely deserves some recognition for that, poor guy. Show nested quote +On February 28 2011 10:53 sylverfyre wrote:
Interesting - Almost even race distribution! Yeah, it's pretty awesome, but in no small part due to 7 of the 9 Zergs being invites/seeds from a BW tournament. :p
great post bobster !!!
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