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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
I'm the same way. If I don't like you; you are going to know about it. If you are wrong or do something stupid. You are going to hear it from me whether it be on these forums or elsewhere. No reason to hide it like a dirt digging mole. Covering yourself in shit will only fester in other ways. Honest is better than modest. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
If I were Nony I would make a full apology in a press conference for hurting those players and their families. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
I love internet sarcasm. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 13 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote: How dare Nony say that someone played bad in a video game. I think that's just about the lowest thing one human being can say to another. If I were Nony I would make a full apology in a press conference for hurting those players and their families. Go back a page that's pretty much what he did? I have nothing against either player or their attitudes. I feel like if you don't think you can beat everyone then you don't have the right mindset for competition. That doesn't necessarily mean disparaging others, but having absolute belief in yourself is nothing but a good thing. I just think it's amusing how hypocritical people are when it comes to idra/nony when they are virtually identical. I don't see how someone can be a fan of one and not the other based on their attitude when they have the same attitude toward things more or less. Based on some other metric I can see why you would like one over the other, maybe you are a protoss fan or you think one is just an all around better player etc. But on how they act? It's really absurd A great example is the guy who just said he values honesty over modesty. With what is being described as honesty so far (telling people they are bad, etc) isn't Idra technically far more 'honest' by that definition? I mean he will tell you how bad you are but he won't write a book explaining the exact criteria that result in you being labeled "fucking bad" trying to explain away his actions etc. He just pretty much embraces the fact that if he speaks his mind people are going to form their own opinions. And that guy is a Nony fan and not an Idra fan. That just doesn't compute for me. Nothing they do or say so far has offended my delicate sensibilities or how I think you should treat other people, I just see them as being completely cut from the same cloth but somehow the entire community sees Nony as a saint and Idra as the biggest asshole in the world, and I would love for someone to be able to explain that phenomenon. | ||
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Coulthard
Greece3359 Posts
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statix
United States1760 Posts
On February 13 2010 05:38 Coulthard wrote: I am pretty sure Draco would 3-0 you again Nony did you see dracos games? | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
On paper, they might preach the same thing, i.e. "... win 3-0." This by no means tells you how honest they are. lmao It's like saying, "OH NonY and IdrA are American; they both have four letters in their nicknames and they even use caps for the first and last letter! It sounds just as stupid. Don't be so narrow-minded; don't generalize; don't make things sound so simplistic because they really aren't. Back to the 3-0 statements. Did you read what I wrote before about the psychological mindset? If you tell yourself the same thing everyday eventually you'll start to believe it. MMA fighters and boxers do this all the time, whether it be for publicity/promoting their fights or to psyche themselves up for the inevitable match. It helps them go in their match with the right mindset. With that said, there is a borderline difference between cocky and confidence. IdrA comes across as cocky. Hell, he uses a lot of cocky humor in his interviews which makes it entertaining. NonY comes across as confident. He is far more subtle. Listen to his radio interview and perhaps you'll notice the difference. You got one thing right. I like NonY more than I like IdrA. Hell, I've been vouching for NonY ever since TSL1. I picked him over JF to win the entire thing by a small margin. | ||
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ZZangDreamjOy
Canada959 Posts
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never_Nal
Costa Rica676 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
None of those things however have anything to do with how they treat opponents, which is remarkably similar. They both rage and cry when they lose, granted Idra does it more often. They both think they are much better than they actually are etc. You still fail to realize that i don't see anything wrong with competitive mindset and thinking you are better than your opponent. Your post above commends Nony for telling it like it is right after Nony's post itself says that he will talk about people differently behind their backs? There is a difference between cocky and confident but you make no attempts whatsoever to explain how, and why Nony is confident and Idra is cocky? Because he is your extroverted handsome progamer boycrush? I understand that you think one of them represents some ideal of a competitive mindset but there's no argument or example given to suggest that they have a different attitude towards the game and their opponents when you take away the fact that Nony has a large following and Idra has a comparatively smaller one. Take for example Mondragon and his "false modesty" as one end of the spectrum on how you can talk about opponents and yourself, with Idra on the other. How do you reasonably justify not having Nony and Idra very very close in relation? And yet there's a tremendous double standard | ||
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LorD_AreS
Canada208 Posts
On February 13 2010 05:07 floor exercise wrote: Go back a page that's pretty much what he did? I have nothing against either player or their attitudes. I feel like if you don't think you can beat everyone then you don't have the right mindset for competition. That doesn't necessarily mean disparaging others, but having absolute belief in yourself is nothing but a good thing. I just think it's amusing how hypocritical people are when it comes to idra/nony when they are virtually identical. I don't see how someone can be a fan of one and not the other based on their attitude when they have the same attitude toward things more or less. Based on some other metric I can see why you would like one over the other, maybe you are a protoss fan or you think one is just an all around better player etc. But on how they act? It's really absurd A great example is the guy who just said he values honesty over modesty. With what is being described as honesty so far (telling people they are bad, etc) isn't Idra technically far more 'honest' by that definition? I mean he will tell you how bad you are but he won't write a book explaining the exact criteria that result in you being labeled "fucking bad" trying to explain away his actions etc. He just pretty much embraces the fact that if he speaks his mind people are going to form their own opinions. And that guy is a Nony fan and not an Idra fan. That just doesn't compute for me. Nothing they do or say so far has offended my delicate sensibilities or how I think you should treat other people, I just see them as being completely cut from the same cloth but somehow the entire community sees Nony as a saint and Idra as the biggest asshole in the world, and I would love for someone to be able to explain that phenomenon. Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not... Idra is a player that acts like a kid and flames all the time, he wines when he's not happy and he's fucking annoying like fayth was , but the guys fuckin good. Nony is more straight forward and says what he thinks, he's very positive and will say that he's gonna win every opponent easy, yes sometimes bad manner maybe considered by some, but in the end it probably gets to his opponents and if they screw up cause of pressure well that's good for him. I would not put both players has being the same, they have similar ways to express but probably not for the same reasons. that's my thoughts on both! | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On February 13 2010 04:35 iamtt1 wrote: so wat ur saying is u like talking shit behind someones back because u dont have the balls to say it to their face or in the public so people dont dislike u afterwards? very nice summary I'll say it if someone asks. I mean, what kinda position do you think I'm in when my evaluation of someone's performance is that they did poorly? Suddenly I'm not allowed to give my opinion to anyone except the person I'm evaluating, or else it's talking shit behind backs? I'm not afraid to say it at any point to anyone but there are some situations where I won't mention it because it only has a negative effect. If I messaged you after watching your match I'd say like this "hey i just saw the games. imo you would have won if you were playing your best, but it looked like nerves got to you" and then how i follow up depends if you are pissed/sad/dismissive/whatever It could translate to "you sucked" from one perspective but I'm not gonna be that offensive and antagonizing and mean. I'll tell you how it is without attaching anything to it. But if I'm gonna summarize my thoughts on the whole Ro16 in one message that I'm typing while playing a game to some random dude, then I don't have to worry about offending anyone. I can be crass and it doesn't matter. On February 13 2010 05:38 Coulthard wrote: I am pretty sure Draco would 3-0 you again Nony Dunno how this is even relevant. Just seems like random shit talking to me. But I'd hope that Draco is a lot better than an A- Korean at PvP, cuz even the shitty throw-away warmup games that end up on my stream show me raping A- Koreans like it was their first week playing BW. But Draco is an awesome dude who definitely has talent, and at times had a lot of motivation to bring that talent out. Apparently he doesn't have that motivation anymore. I don't come into this picture anywhere. | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On February 13 2010 06:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Actually, I have to agree with NonY on almost all counts. White-Ra played quite badly for someone who's considered top 3-5 foreigner. TT1 choked. Kolll choked. Tarson choked epicly. But I have to disagree with NonY playing good, and the same with Fenix. NonY played very abusively, and the Terran's he played were subpar mechanically, and choked epicly. It wasn't that he played great, it was that his opponents played awfully. Same with Fenix. Fenix didn't do anything reat, didn't show good mechanics or micro, he just made marines early on, and won. Then he did a mech build, which kolll somehow fails against, and won again. lol Yeah it's true I didn't show much skill in my matches but I didn't screw anything up. My builds were obviously very well chosen for my opponents and I executed them sufficiently. They made some unforced errors, and some forced errors, so I took the games. You can watch other series where errors are made and people don't capitalize on them. While Fenix wasn't dominant, he showed an ability to do what it takes to win. I think gosi[terran] and brat_ok were kinda in similar positions as Fenix but Fenix adjusted and got his wins while they didn't. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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ProoM
Lithuania1741 Posts
On February 10 2010 14:49 3clipse wrote: Does IdrA remind anyone else of Phil Hellmuth? this. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
I'm not a teacher. As a result, it would be fickle to explain it to someone of your stature. Besides that, I don't like you. Why would I explain something to someone I don't like? I have zero gain; zero stakes. However, I told you where to look. Hopefully you can figure out the difference between the 2 C's yourself. I'll leave you with this: A contemporary extrovert clubbing analogy. After all, you were the one who brought it up in the first place: It's like trying to teach someone how to pick up women at a nightclub. Some guys get it while everyone else has to learn the ropes. As for the others? They don't get it at all. These alley cats look dumbfounded and ask, "How?" You can try explaining it to them, but they don't get it. You hope they come around. Eventually some of them will, but it takes a lot of time and experience. *** As for your other remarks: NonY isn't a pro gamer and sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not gay. You've made it abundantly clear: you are in no position to judge someone's personality when you don't know what you are looking for. Do I jump up and down with pom poms for JD, Savior, Bisu or Flash? Fuck no. Do you see me posting, "GOGO MBC Hero!" every chance I get? Fuck no. Look at my posting history and I dare you tell me otherwise. Did I select NonY in the TSL1 contest. Yes. Why? Because I know how good he could play. I don't care how they treat their opponents. It's not my problem. It's theirs. I'll tell you one thing: their persona in person is a lot different from online. Online they're both arrogant. That is the word you were looking for. ARROGANT. Let me tell you something, arrogance can be positive or negative attribute. It's how the player uses it. How can it be positive? They block out the outside world and focus on themselves. They don't have to worry about other people's problems. As for the double standard. IdrA has pulled a lot more crap than NonY as you pointed out. That's the simplistic answer. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On February 13 2010 07:12 LorD_AreS wrote: Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not... Idra is a player that acts like a kid and flames all the time, he wines when he's not happy and he's fucking annoying like fayth was , but the guys fuckin good. Nony is more straight forward and says what he thinks, he's very positive and will say that he's gonna win every opponent easy, yes sometimes bad manner maybe considered by some, but in the end it probably gets to his opponents and if they screw up cause of pressure well that's good for him. I would not put both players has being the same, they have similar ways to express but probably not for the same reasons. that's my thoughts on both! Okay, this pretty much sums up my argument: "Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not... " Nony practically invented not GGing after he loses. He says he doesn't see the reason in it or doesn't think it's a big deal or whatever, but to say "nony mostly GGs and idra does not" just goes to show how people honestly can't justify choosing one of these players over the other based on their attitude. People are either very quick to forget history when its convenient or just don't know it I think when a player doesn't GG they are clearly mad, I don't think it's BM or whatever so again I don't judge Nony, I'm just pointing out how people can see 2 players who act the same way in such opposite lights. It's just pure hypocrisy that people will use reasons like that to suggest Idra is not worth cheering for or supporting in his SC endeavors when in fact Nony is just as notorious if not moreso for it than Idra is. It's bandwagoning 101. I'm not trying to pick on people for having a favorite, being able to cheer for your favorite foreigners in TSL is what makes it awesome. It's just hard to see the majority of the people who will bash idra and support Nony as sheep. | ||
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
answer me this: Are you a trend starter or do you follow the crowd? Just because many people do it. Doesn't mean you have to. You can call it BM all you want. That is your perspective. Other people could careless. Just because they don't GG doesn't mean they're mad. lol My advice to you: stop projecting. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
I think both of these players have lots of talent and I can't wait to see them play! I only lament for poor Gregory Fields and his comparatively minuscule fanbase. I wish only that people would come to the realization, that while one player may walk with a swagger and a knowing grin, and the other with hunched shoulders and meekness that even a mouse would envy that on the digital battlefield of this glorious video game they are in fact very similar indeed! | ||
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
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