IdrA[Media] versus Liquid`NonY is widely considered the biggest matchup of the TSL Ro8. Both players won easily in the Ro16, and NonY went on to predict victory against IdrA in several interviews. We sat down with IdrA to see what he had to say about the upcoming match.
Ro8 Pre-Interview with IdrA[Media]
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What is your prediction for this match? Are you going to defeat Nony?
IdrA[Media]: Of course I will. I actually gained a lot of confidence from our seed match. His only real chance to beat me is cheese, and the Destination game where he cheesed demonstrated just how uncomfortable he is with that style of play. He opened gas rush, which is good, but then went fast nexus which threw away that advantage, and then went blatantly obvious carriers when my fast cc would allow me to timing push freely, even while getting a 3rd cc.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Were you impressed by Nony's 6-0 against Horror and Tarson?
IdrA[Media]: If I beat him 3-2 BBS vs double nexus every game it would be more impressive than beating a European Terran 3-0 PvT.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What do you think about his prediction that he will beat you?
IdrA[Media]: Only emo or falsely modest Europeans predict that they're going to lose games. Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance. So yes of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: How will you counter double nexus and the unit that kills everything?
IdrA[Media]: Trick question? Double nexus doesn't have a counter.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose?
IdrA[Media]: Nah, if he can get a free double nexus diagonal positions on Andromeda and still almost lose, it won't really matter what builds he does.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?
IdrA[Media]: Yes.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What are your predictions for the other matchups?
IdrA[Media] Ret vs Sen I dont really know, I've heard Sen's zvz is really good and theres always the luck factor. I'd imagine it'll be 3-2 either way with Ret more likely to win. White-Ra vs JF I don't know much about either, but Ra is the better player. JF's play wasn't nearly as impressive against Terran as a lot of people seemed to think, and he's up against another Protoss this time. White-Ra should win. Mondragon vs Fenix I think Mondragon will win 3-1, but it's not impossible for Fenix. Mondragon will be much more capable of dealing with unusual strategies than Kolll, and I think Brat's standard TvZ is better than Fenix's.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Is Nony your biggest threat?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Thanks for the interview and we look forward to your games!
IdrA[Media]: Thanks, I hope they're good.
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This is what a pre match interview is all about. If there isn't any bulletin board material at the end of it, it wasn't worth doing. Modesty does nothing but make a match's hype boring.
On February 10 2010 14:41 Two_DoWn wrote: This is what a pre match interview is all about. If there isn't any bulletin board material at the end of it, it wasn't worth doing. Modesty does nothing but make a match's hype boring.
qft, so much better than usual "iam hoping to win but my opponent is very good so it might go either way.everyone is capable of winning, we will see, but i hope to win"
"Nony, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children."
mike tyson should get a job writing shit talk for peopl
Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is just wrong.
That's not wrong at all. If you don't have confidence in your abilities and you think there's a good chance you'll lose; it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not suggesting that the opposite is true that saying you'll win means you'll win. But you have to believe in yourself. Idra just doesn't sugar coat his beliefs by saying "I think it'll be a good game." and instead goes with the "I'm going to smash this fucking noob."
If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is way diffrent then strongly believing in your abilities and feeling that you should/will be able to win. All this does is letting you crash down if for some, no matter how stupid, reason you didn't win.
I get tired of the modesty from some of the guys, but Idra is like on the other extreme of the scale.
Believe 100% in your abilities, belive that you will be/should be able to win and your fine.
If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is way diffrent then strongly believing in your abilities and feeling that you should/will be able to win. All this does is letting you crash down if for some, no matter how stupid, reason you didn't win.
I get tired of the modesty from some of the guys, but Idra is like on the other extreme of the scale.
Believe 100% in your abilities, belive that you will be/should be able to win and your fine.
You have to think you will win. Not think you can win. Thinking you can win is rationalizing. It's a preemptive strike on a failed result so you can take the loss more easily. That isn't needed.
Leave the kid to live his dream life where he is n1. When he leaves Korea he is coming back to his life (missing one) where he is a nobody and where he cant speak up to nobody.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes.
of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
it means idra think he will win 3-0
lol, Romanian, he's using a proximity quote from the interview. He's using Idra's own answer against him.
It's a joke... a bit overused :p
I'm kinda sick an tired to see the lack of irony detection being associated with Romanians. After all, you are insulting a whole nation for some limited number of Romanian users that did make a mistake. It's like we should associate bad English with Koreans. Would that be fair? And i am surprised TL staff allows this since it's obvious that being called a Romanian has a negative thing attached to it.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes.
of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
it means idra think he will win 3-0
lol, Romanian, he's using a proximity quote from the interview. He's using Idra's own answer against him.
It's a joke... a bit overused :p
I'm kinda sick an tired to see the lack of irony detection being associated with Romanians. After all, you are insulting a whole nation for some limited number of Romanian users that did make a mistake. It's like we should associate bad English with Koreans. Would that be fair? And i am surprised TL staff allows this since it's obvious that being called a Romanian has a negative thing attached to it.
On February 10 2010 18:50 ceaRshaf wrote: OFFTOPIC! (sorry)
On February 10 2010 17:45 danl9rm wrote:
On February 10 2010 15:37 Romanian from wrote:
On February 10 2010 15:35 Terranator wrote:
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes.
of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
it means idra think he will win 3-0
lol, Romanian, he's using a proximity quote from the interview. He's using Idra's own answer against him.
It's a joke... a bit overused :p
I'm kinda sick an tired to see the lack of irony detection being associated with Romanians. After all, you are insulting a whole nation for some limited number of Romanian users that did make a mistake. It's like we should associate bad English with Koreans. Would that be fair? And i am surprised TL staff allows this since it's obvious that being called a Romanian has a negative thing attached to it.
This is just lame....
lol
wat
He just doesn't understand it's an ongoing joke. But we can't really blame him from that, after all, he is a Romanian.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you? IdrA[Media]: Yes.
of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
it means idra think he will win 3-0
lol, Romanian, he's using a proximity quote from the interview. He's using Idra's own answer against him.
It's a joke... a bit overused :p
I'm kinda sick an tired to see the lack of irony detection being associated with Romanians. After all, you are insulting a whole nation for some limited number of Romanian users that did make a mistake. It's like we should associate bad English with Koreans. Would that be fair? And i am surprised TL staff allows this since it's obvious that being called a Romanian has a negative thing attached to it.
This is just lame....
ROFL... sorry dude, your post just proved the point.
You can tell the difference between Nony and Idra. Nony's confidence is natural and 'normal', while Idra's seems sooo forced and like he doesn't actually believe what he's saying. Obviously, he's the favorite, but he seems like the guy who often has fearful dreams of losing to lesser players. And then goes on to give interviews like this. cute =)
Idra practices all day, every day. Imagine doing it yourself, starting from D rank. You'd feel mighty confident and awesome after doing that for 2 years (if im not mistaken?). For anyone not seeing the awesome humor in this: crack open a bear and go play TF2
the word that jumps into my mind is..immature. anyway now i dont know who i really want to win, since the same word jumped into my mind after hearing nony's interview...confidence is one thing, ofc idra is the favourite. being in korea and training like mad, but key point of any competition has to be respect the opponents, which he seems to lack greatly..yes, yes his bm is played i can see that aswell, but that doesnt matter to me, it turns out to be disrespectful anyhow..anyway dont get me wrong, this series will be great!!
ROFL... sorry dude, your post just proved the point.
My post is regards a general matter no where near to an ironical joke that i didn't not get. So your post would have been really funny, but it's not the case.
He just doesn't understand it's an ongoing joke. But we can't really blame him from that, after all, he is a Romanian.
I understand what it is but the reason does not excuse anything.
So you guys think calling someone Romanian to define the lack of accurate understanding of a joke or statement is just fine? You don't feel like you are offending anyone? You probably are really bad with analogies than so there is no point to talk anymore on this matter. Go on.
ROFL... sorry dude, your post just proved the point.
My post is regards a general matter no where near to an ironical joke that i didn't not get. So your post would have been really funny, but it's not the case.
He just doesn't understand it's an ongoing joke. But we can't really blame him from that, after all, he is a Romanian.
I understand what it is but the reason does not excuse anything.
So you guys think calling someone Romanian to define the lack of accurate understanding of a joke or statement is just fine? You don't feel like you are offending anyone? You probably are really bad with analogies than so there is no point to talk anymore on this matter. Go on.
So, never mind.....
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are The sooner you realize it's all inocent humor, the more fun it'll be for you too.
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are The sooner you realize it's all inocent humor, the more fun it'll be for you too.
Yeah, probably that's why when i make fun of fat people i don't get why they cry and are not laughing as well. Weird...
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are The sooner you realize it's all inocent humor, the more fun it'll be for you too.
Yeah, probably that's why when i make fun of fat people i don't get why they cry and are not laughing as well. Weird...
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are The sooner you realize it's all inocent humor, the more fun it'll be for you too.
Yeah, probably that's why when i make fun of fat people i don't get why they cry and are not laughing as well. Weird...
So thanks for the heads up.
Holy shit, lighten up for fucks sake, there's a slight difference between making fun of someone's disability and making a tongue-in-cheek remark about a few people misinterpreting sarcasm.
On February 10 2010 17:26 Velr wrote: Read what he actually has written there...
If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is way diffrent then strongly believing in your abilities and feeling that you should/will be able to win. All this does is letting you crash down if for some, no matter how stupid, reason you didn't win.
I get tired of the modesty from some of the guys, but Idra is like on the other extreme of the scale.
Believe 100% in your abilities, belive that you will be/should be able to win and your fine.
You have to think you will win. Not think you can win. Thinking you can win is rationalizing. It's a preemptive strike on a failed result so you can take the loss more easily. That isn't needed.
that sounds a bit forced and artificial. i also doubt that confidence is something that you can preach to yourself like: "i will win, i will win".. either you really believe you are more likely to win or not. thinking to much of how confident you should be to win can backfire.
and even if you are a person that really believes 100% in his win with ez then I wouldnt say its the best possible way to encounter someone because it most likely leads to situation that you dont pull out 100% of your effort and concentration and that opens the door for painful surprises.
sure you should be always more confident about your own abilities than beeing nervous but a little bit of fear and respect also helps you to stay on your toes. so i would say its about the right mix.
My fat example was regards this comment and was chosen for random motives (i don't have anything with fat people) :
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are
If you weren't fat (no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are making fun of your weight if the fat is a part of who you are.
So telling me that the only reason i don't like the romanian joke is because i am the one you joke about is something like....duuuuuuh!.
But as i said, nevermind.
Ontopic: idrA has one heck of a fan there. Keeping posting pictures that often really means a lot. Gogo Machine!
All I'm getting out of this is gosugamers sucks and that Romanians are fat. And at least one of those is definitely true.
Honestly I don't understand why anyone posts on gosugamers. It's alright as a news site if you're into that kind of thing but every discussion on it is just awful. Still, I find their reactions to Idra's antics amusing.
Yea Machine is Idr'A's biggest fan but IdrA himself hates Machine. They've never met in RL as well, nor was it any sarcasm or jokes. And obviously Romanians don't fail about detecting sarcasm or jokes, wtf, who ever said such cruel things? (
On February 10 2010 23:57 iNfeRnaL wrote: Yea Machine is Idr'A's biggest fan but IdrA himself hates Machine. They've never met in RL as well, nor was it any sarcasm or jokes. And obviously Romanians don't fail about detecting sarcasm or jokes, wtf, who ever said such cruel things? (
Idra is such a brat, I hope he gets crushed... It's good to be confident... but not to be arrogant... I mean when you interview the korean REAL pro players they don't give off an aura of arrogance, even JD doesn't and hes pretty intense. Idra, I hope you lose and I hope you learn not to be a spoiled little brat. People may think you are all cool or think you are "epic" or something, but if you want to become a progamer for serial, act professional.
Wtf idra, why are you bashing europeans when in reality it's mostly americans that are spending time in every idra thread crying about how your aweful manners are ruining esport!!1
player A loses 1-3 vs player B on balanced maps almost without cheese. some weeks later (both have been practising about the same amount of games (although i'm not sure if nony played as many as idra but let's just assume)) they meet again on balanced maps. How big can the chances of player A to beat player B now be? I think they are low. low!
I think idra prediction is pretty good, 3-0 or 3-1 , iknow Nony will put up a good fight but i dont think hes still in the same shape as he was in eSTRO.
On February 10 2010 16:59 Velr wrote: fun interview
but:
Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is just wrong.
That's not wrong at all. If you don't have confidence in your abilities and you think there's a good chance you'll lose; it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not suggesting that the opposite is true that saying you'll win means you'll win. But you have to believe in yourself. Idra just doesn't sugar coat his beliefs by saying "I think it'll be a good game." and instead goes with the "I'm going to smash this fucking noob."
Of course it's wrong. Mondragon, who IdrA obviously refers to as emo and/or falsely modest, has been saying he "probably loses" against almost every other good player for I don't know 10 years? Strangely enough he did have a chance in most games, though.
Of course such statements don't mean he's sure he'll lose, and sometimes his modesty is unrealistic and annoying. But what it really means is that he thinks his opponent is at least capable of beating him -- a fact which IdrA obviously likes to deny.
On February 10 2010 16:59 Velr wrote: fun interview
but:
Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is just wrong.
That's not wrong at all. If you don't have confidence in your abilities and you think there's a good chance you'll lose; it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not suggesting that the opposite is true that saying you'll win means you'll win. But you have to believe in yourself. Idra just doesn't sugar coat his beliefs by saying "I think it'll be a good game." and instead goes with the "I'm going to smash this fucking noob."
Of course it's wrong. Mondragon, who IdrA obviously refers to as emo and/or falsely modest, has been saying he "probably loses" against almost every other good player for I don't know 10 years? Strangely enough he did have a chance in most games, though.
Of course such statements don't mean he's sure he'll lose, and sometimes his modesty is unrealistic and annoying. But what it really means is that he thinks his opponent is at least capable of beating him -- a fact which IdrA obviously likes to deny.
mondragon obviously doesnt actually think hes going to lose. hence *falsely* modest. as for the emo ones like infernal and ret i think it is actually a real problem and they would have much more success if they were more confident.
Its PvT...Nony still has a decent chance. Im sure if Idra was a zerg instead of terran playing v nony anthing less than idra saying he wold shit down nonys throat would seem modest
On February 10 2010 16:59 Velr wrote: fun interview
but:
Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance.
Is just wrong.
That's not wrong at all. If you don't have confidence in your abilities and you think there's a good chance you'll lose; it becomes a self fullfilling prophecy. Now, I'm not suggesting that the opposite is true that saying you'll win means you'll win. But you have to believe in yourself. Idra just doesn't sugar coat his beliefs by saying "I think it'll be a good game." and instead goes with the "I'm going to smash this fucking noob."
Of course it's wrong. Mondragon, who IdrA obviously refers to as emo and/or falsely modest, has been saying he "probably loses" against almost every other good player for I don't know 10 years? Strangely enough he did have a chance in most games, though.
Of course such statements don't mean he's sure he'll lose, and sometimes his modesty is unrealistic and annoying. But what it really means is that he thinks his opponent is at least capable of beating him -- a fact which IdrA obviously likes to deny.
mondragon obviously doesnt actually think hes going to lose. hence *falsely* modest. as for the emo ones like infernal and ret i think it is actually a real problem and they would have much more success if they were more confident.
As for the "emo" players that might be true, and like I said Mondragon's assessments can be annoyingly unrealistic -- exactly like you pretending to 3-0 everybody right and left as if they were super noobs. That's basically the Mondragon modesty inverted (it just doesn't seem clear to me whether it's *false*, too).
Nobody denies you're the favorite to win the TSL, but denying that players like NonY or more or less anyone else left in the tournament are at least to some extent capable of beating you (unlikely, but more likely than you make it seem), is just as unrealistic as this false modesty you're talking about.
On February 10 2010 14:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I wish half of you met idra in person.
That'd make these kind of interviews somewhere in the area of 600,000 times more funny.
Met him in at BlizzCon08.
Sometimes I wonder if he is Jeckyll&Hide, cos the guy I met it was sincere and nice to talk to
I dont know if its the game or whatever that transforms him into that BM attitude
Will there is a difference between saying shit on a forum and in real life. A lot of people who bm is when they lose to cheesy stuff (I won't lie I do it) or just hate losing so much they get frustrated. Most players I think bm at least a little bit from frustration its kind of hard not too so I can understand Idra bm'ing after losing because I do know the feeling of thinking your better then that player and you shouldn't lose and all that fun stuff.
So I still bet if you talk to him in person he's different then when he's playing sc and losing
Been rooting for IdrA to win this so far but after this interview I just want to see the reaction and him quitting the game without gging after some quality bm action.
Just think about what would follow after Nony 3-0 IdrA, god damn the whole south korea would be in danger.
idra honestly makes everyone want to root for his opponent. I wonder if he actually understands that he tends to come off like a jerkoff. I mean the things he says are legitimate, and confidence is key in any competition, however, that is a mental aspect of the game that should stay in your head. Be modest, perform honestly, and be proud but never fully satisfied with your accomplishments. Don't be a douche bag.
Imo, Idra just needs to blow some steam off and get laid. Artosis, could you set him up with a Korean tranny or something and make a movie of it? Something like him getting a blowjob while he is going proxy fact? That would be awesome.
On February 10 2010 14:49 3clipse wrote: Does IdrA remind anyone else of Phil Hellmuth?
But Hellmuth is not the best in his area xD
Yeah, IdrA is more like the Kobe Bryant of BW. He's at the top of his field and he is still always whining about abusive strategies used by their opponents to beat them, whether it be to the press, referees, fans, or whomever.
On February 11 2010 03:42 Singu wrote: Neither is Idra.
Imo, Idra just needs to blow some steam off and get laid. Artosis, could you set him up with a Korean tranny or something and make a movie of it? Something like him getting a blowjob while he is going proxy fact? That would be awesome.
incredible how IdrA interviews consistently attract the worst posts on tl
On February 11 2010 03:35 hyperioNsin wrote: But Hellmuth is not the best in his area xD
He's got the most WSOP bracelets out of anyone, which is on the largest stage in the world and against all the best players... so you could easily make the argument that he is (or at least was) the best. The only people who are close are Brunson, Chan and arguably Seidel... The equivalent would be having a slew of OSL/MSL golds. Granted, Hellmuth is whiny & annoying, but he's got the credentials to back it up.
That said, I'm hoping for and expecting a 3-2 match either way. I find that close games are always more entertaining than blowouts. I picked Idra in my Liquibet, at any rate.
Idra has spent much of his life to be as good as he can be at SC. He has endured an environment where most people don't speak his language and grudgingly make him work twice as hard as anyone else for every inch of respect (from what I understand) He plays 12 hours a day and against better opponents than anyone else in the foreigner scene.
Has he not earned the right to be somewhat cocky? I mean, if he were facing a top professional Protoss and predicted a 3-0, it would be foolish and obviously an act. To predict 3-0 against a guy who recently got married and hasn't done anything in the last year besides beat obviously overmatched opponents isn't an act.
Also note that he doesn't bash Nony as being a bad player or give ridiculous reasons as to why he thinks he is going to win. He simply thinks he is going to dominate a guy who hasn't played nearly as much SC as he has.
I hope Nony wins!!!! Anyone know why Nony hasn't been streaming lately?? Was hoping he was going to play even more considering his match vs Idra is soon!!!!!
On February 11 2010 05:29 petered wrote: Idra has spent much of his life to be as good as he can be at SC. He has endured an environment where most people don't speak his language and grudgingly make him work twice as hard as anyone else for every inch of respect (from what I understand) He plays 12 hours a day and against better opponents than anyone else in the foreigner scene.
Has he not earned the right to be somewhat cocky? I mean, if he were facing a top professional Protoss and predicted a 3-0, it would be foolish and obviously an act. To predict 3-0 against a guy who recently got married and hasn't done anything in the last year besides beat obviously overmatched opponents isn't an act.
Also note that he doesn't bash Nony as being a bad player or give ridiculous reasons as to why he thinks he is going to win. He simply thinks he is going to dominate a guy who hasn't played nearly as much SC as he has.
Anyway, gl hf and GGs to both.
The way you present yourself is very important regardless of how confident you are. Professionalism is something that we all adore and respect. Even if a basketball player like Jordan were to go up against a high school team player, it doesn't mean he should use that kind of tone. Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
The term "Cocky" has a bad connotation. Im sure most of us dont like cocky people, but we like confident people. Theres a difference.
I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad. I'll admire him for maybe his hard work, but I will not admire him for his Charisma or Skill. Being good matters, being the best of the best matters... we can talk about ideals and what he may deserves, what his hardships are, but his life is a game which he is not even notable at on the large scale... I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
Im not sure if any match the rest of the way will have as much hype as this one. Perhaps an IdrA vs Ret final would create more buzz, but aside from that its tough to see any other matchup getting as much attention as this one. Im hoping for a full 5 game series because the excitement going into that 5th game would be off the charts.
The way you present yourself is very important regardless of how confident you are. Professionalism is something that we all adore and respect. Even if a basketball player like Jordan were to go up against a high school team player, it doesn't mean he should use that kind of tone. Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
The term "Cocky" has a bad connotation. Im sure most of us dont like cocky people, but we like confident people. Theres a difference.
I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad. I'll admire him for maybe his hard work, but I will not admire him for his Charisma or Skill. Being good matters, being the best of the best matters... we can talk about ideals and what he may deserves, what his hardships are, but his life is a game which he is not even notable at on the large scale... I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
I don't personally know Idra, but from the interviews I have seen it seems like what you call, "a hint of BM" is probably more like, "humor and good fun" to Idra.
Also, I think he will acknowledge that he isn't at the top, but why does his skill not inspire admiration? Do you not admire Yellow since he was always second to Boxer? Do you not admire Phil Mickleson since he was always second to Tiger?
Truth is, he is miles ahead of anyone else in the foreigner starcraft scene. Many people seem to admire Nony for his crazy skill. Why is Idra's skill less admirable? Did he work less hard to get it or something?
I think it is unfair to point to his salary and say that he is insignificant as a SC:BW player. His salary is more of a function of his chosen career path rather than his rank in the world of SC. For example, lets just say theoretically that he is the 300th best SC player in the world (probably underestimating him at that spot) The 300th best basketball player gets a heck of a lot more respect and money than he does. It is simply because basketball is more popular than SC, hence more money generated for the players.
It's funny. A year ago I was thinking that the tl.net community as a whole was exceptionally smart and had a great sense of humor. While this is still true for pretty much every established poster/staff and like 20% of the other posters, this has changed a lot in the last few months and every Idra-interview shows that very clearly.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
He doesn't seem sarcastic, he is. Sure, he's confident (who wouldn't be in his position), but in every single interview I've heard/read of him, he just had an awesome sense of humor and that's it. You're (and I'm just using your post as an example of like 50% of all the responses in this thread and every idra-interview ever) just not getting it.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
No, he doesn't. First of all who are you to tell him what to do and what to say? That's a lot more cocky and bm than everything Idra has ever said lol. And there's not a hint of bm, there's a buttload of bm and that's probably because Idra and Nony get along rather well and tease each other. Also Idra probably wants to entertain and he likes to provoke people like you.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad.
So you actually like the standard pro-gamer interview that I could do on behalf of them because it's absolutely clear what they say? Or the good old Mondragon-interviews where he aaaaalways says he's the underdog no matter how shitty his opponent is? Seriously?
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
Speaking of money... You know how valuable an experience like this is? When you and idra graduate from university and apply for the same job, who do you think gets picked? The one guy in a hundred thousands of people with a scholarship or the one unique guy that made a living off of something pretty much no american has ever done in a country where literally noone speaks his language? Here's a hint: It's not you. And I'm just speaking of the money here. The life experience you gain there for yourself probably weighs a ton more than anything else.
On February 11 2010 07:32 Mandalor wrote: It's funny. A year ago I was thinking that the tl.net community as a whole was exceptionally smart and had a great sense of humor. While this is still true for pretty much every established poster/staff and like 20% of the other posters, this has changed a lot in the last few months and every Idra-interview shows that very clearly.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
He doesn't seem sarcastic, he is. Sure, he's confident (who wouldn't be in his position), but in every single interview I've heard/read of him, he just had an awesome sense of humor and that's it. You're (and I'm just using your post as an example of like 50% of all the responses in this thread and every idra-interview ever) just not getting it.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
No, he doesn't. First of all who are you to tell him what to do and what to say? That's a lot more cocky and bm than everything Idra has ever said lol. And there's not a hint of bm, there's a buttload of bm and that's probably because Idra and Nony get along rather well and tease each other. Also Idra probably wants to entertain and he likes to provoke people like you.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad.
So you actually like the standard pro-gamer interview that I could do on behalf of them because it's absolutely clear what they say? Or the good old Mondragon-interviews where he aaaaalways says he's the underdog no matter how shitty his opponent is? Seriously?
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
Speaking of money... You know how valuable an experience like this is? When you and idra graduate from university and apply for the same job, who do you think gets picked? The one guy in a hundred thousands of people with a scholarship or the one unique guy that made a living off of something pretty much no american has ever done in a country where literally noone speaks his language? Here's a hint: It's not you. And I'm just speaking of the money here. The life experience you gain there for yourself probably weighs a ton more than anything else.
Also provoking people is never good, read the other interviews, are they at all provoking in ANY way to anyone?
I'm sure playing 12 hours a day eating for one or two and then sleeping the rest is a great experience of life in Korea right /sarcasm. Let's be honest here, the progamer's life is probably not a healthy one. At least if you are going to spend 12 hours a day get on the A team.
Look I dont admire people because they try and fail. I admire people that Try and succeed. No one cares about some kid from a poor country who tries to come to america for a new life, ends up doing drugs and getting arrested. People care about the person who came and made something of themselves, became a someone. He put in the effort, I admire that. Now I want to see something. Now Idra isn't THAT fail, im simply stating why i dont admire him, its not like i HATE HIM or anything. If asked I probably wouldnt mind getting lunch with him or something but It doesnt mean Im gonna feel the same if granted a lunch with Jaedong, Flash (I can name all the names u already know blah blah).
Also being a second rate gamer in Korea and when u try to get a SERIOUS job isnt gonna do you ANY good. Also not many people get fellowships... maybe about 5% of the population..lol.. and not all of them are from notable schools. my fellowship is in BME which Georgia Tech is the number 2 institution in. But fuck me why does it matter. I'm just stating that the 10% of the population which we consider to be "sucessful" at least with money probably were NOT second rate gamers or even gamers at all ( HIGHLY doubt the people living in the golf club subdivisions played video games at all) I mean look at Boxer's life winnings, thats about maybe added together one years income for a doctor or lawyer. However I will give it to boxer that hes really famous hence, I ADMIRE HIM AND RESPECT BOXER. Sadly.. Idra isnt even close to boxer.. not even an iota. Even if they were I wouldn;t be too surprised if someone like Flash were to be very successful in life.
If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you. Idra right now doesn't go to school and I putting (I played SC on a Korean B team for my life instead of going to School) on your resume isnt gonna look cool especially if you at least didnt win some big tournies and get some fame. Besides, it's my outlook of Idra you can worship him and admire him all you want. To me he isn't a role model on the large scale. I hope Nony wipes the floor with him.
On February 11 2010 07:32 Mandalor wrote: It's funny. A year ago I was thinking that the tl.net community as a whole was exceptionally smart and had a great sense of humor. While this is still true for pretty much every established poster/staff and like 20% of the other posters, this has changed a lot in the last few months and every Idra-interview shows that very clearly.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
He doesn't seem sarcastic, he is. Sure, he's confident (who wouldn't be in his position), but in every single interview I've heard/read of him, he just had an awesome sense of humor and that's it. You're (and I'm just using your post as an example of like 50% of all the responses in this thread and every idra-interview ever) just not getting it.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
No, he doesn't. First of all who are you to tell him what to do and what to say? That's a lot more cocky and bm than everything Idra has ever said lol. And there's not a hint of bm, there's a buttload of bm and that's probably because Idra and Nony get along rather well and tease each other. Also Idra probably wants to entertain and he likes to provoke people like you.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad.
So you actually like the standard pro-gamer interview that I could do on behalf of them because it's absolutely clear what they say? Or the good old Mondragon-interviews where he aaaaalways says he's the underdog no matter how shitty his opponent is? Seriously?
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
Speaking of money... You know how valuable an experience like this is? When you and idra graduate from university and apply for the same job, who do you think gets picked? The one guy in a hundred thousands of people with a scholarship or the one unique guy that made a living off of something pretty much no american has ever done in a country where literally noone speaks his language? Here's a hint: It's not you. And I'm just speaking of the money here. The life experience you gain there for yourself probably weighs a ton more than anything else.
Also provoking people is never good, read the other interviews, are they at all provoking in ANY way to anyone?
I'm sure playing 12 hours a day eating for one or two and then sleeping the rest is a great experience of life in Korea right /sarcasm. Let's be honest here, the progamer's life is probably not a healthy one. At least if you are going to spend 12 hours a day get on the A team.
Look I dont admire people because they try and fail. I admire people that Try and succeed. No one cares about some kid from a poor country who tries to come to america for a new life, ends up doing drugs and getting arrested. People care about the person who came and made something of themselves, became a someone. He put in the effort, I admire that. Now I want to see something. Now Idra isn't THAT fail, im simply stating why i dont admire him, its not like i HATE HIM or anything. If asked I probably wouldnt mind getting lunch with him or something but It doesnt mean Im gonna feel the same if granted a lunch with Jaedong, Flash (I can name all the names u already know blah blah).
Also being a second rate gamer in Korea and when u try to get a SERIOUS job isnt gonna do you ANY good. Also not many people get fellowships... maybe about 5% of the population..lol.. and my fellowship is in BME which Georgia Tech is the number 2 institution in. But fuck me why does it matter. I'm just stating that the 10% of the population which we consider to be "sucessful" at least with money probably were NOT second rate gamers or even gamers at all. Even if they were I wouldn;t be too surprised if someone like Flash were to be very successful in life.
If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you. Idra right now doesn't go to school and I putting (I played SC on a Korean B team for my life instead of going to School) on your resume isnt gonna look cool especially if you at least didnt win some big tournies and get some fame. Besides, it's my outlook of Idra you can worship him and admire him all you want. To me he isn't a role model on the large scale. I hope Nony wipes the floor with him.
TSL/WCG usa and all the other tournies he won outside of korea are 'tourneys' with fame. He's gonna win stuff in SC2 too so he'll be fine.
I'm happy you're in a good school and stuff but if you think that's the only way to become succesfull you've been brainwashed.
On February 11 2010 07:32 Mandalor wrote: It's funny. A year ago I was thinking that the tl.net community as a whole was exceptionally smart and had a great sense of humor. While this is still true for pretty much every established poster/staff and like 20% of the other posters, this has changed a lot in the last few months and every Idra-interview shows that very clearly.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: Notice how Idra seems even sarcastic in some of his answers like about the counter to 2 nex.
He doesn't seem sarcastic, he is. Sure, he's confident (who wouldn't be in his position), but in every single interview I've heard/read of him, he just had an awesome sense of humor and that's it. You're (and I'm just using your post as an example of like 50% of all the responses in this thread and every idra-interview ever) just not getting it.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: The point is, he needs to be much much more professional and his interview simply does not seem like it when compared to others. There is a hint of BM in there and we can all detect it.
No, he doesn't. First of all who are you to tell him what to do and what to say? That's a lot more cocky and bm than everything Idra has ever said lol. And there's not a hint of bm, there's a buttload of bm and that's probably because Idra and Nony get along rather well and tease each other. Also Idra probably wants to entertain and he likes to provoke people like you.
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I personally do not admire Idra much. Yes he tried something that most non Koreans would not dare try, and I do commend him for that, but I'm going to say that he is not on their level at all. It's quite sad.
So you actually like the standard pro-gamer interview that I could do on behalf of them because it's absolutely clear what they say? Or the good old Mondragon-interviews where he aaaaalways says he's the underdog no matter how shitty his opponent is? Seriously?
On February 11 2010 07:00 PiePie wrote: I mean he has no endorsements and i DOUBT he gets paid that much... even if he makes 30 grand a year USD (I doubt he even makes that much, i mean hes not even on the A team) that is NOTHING compared to what students his age get in scholarships. (I for one am on a fellowship for 30 grand and my housing and food costs are covered) at georgia tech and after I earn my degree I'll climb higher. Honestly... if you are going to pursue a career in games.. u need to be the top of the top... that is why I admire Flash who still goes to school and makes huge money (MSL +OSL winnings +PL wage + all the random endorsements he gets for everything). Its just not the same
Speaking of money... You know how valuable an experience like this is? When you and idra graduate from university and apply for the same job, who do you think gets picked? The one guy in a hundred thousands of people with a scholarship or the one unique guy that made a living off of something pretty much no american has ever done in a country where literally noone speaks his language? Here's a hint: It's not you. And I'm just speaking of the money here. The life experience you gain there for yourself probably weighs a ton more than anything else.
Also provoking people is never good, read the other interviews, are they at all provoking in ANY way to anyone?
I'm sure playing 12 hours a day eating for one or two and then sleeping the rest is a great experience of life in Korea right /sarcasm. Let's be honest here, the progamer's life is probably not a healthy one. At least if you are going to spend 12 hours a day get on the A team.
Look I dont admire people because they try and fail. I admire people that Try and succeed. No one cares about some kid from a poor country who tries to come to america for a new life, ends up doing drugs and getting arrested. People care about the person who came and made something of themselves, became a someone. He put in the effort, I admire that. Now I want to see something. Now Idra isn't THAT fail, im simply stating why i dont admire him, its not like i HATE HIM or anything. If asked I probably wouldnt mind getting lunch with him or something but It doesnt mean Im gonna feel the same if granted a lunch with Jaedong, Flash (I can name all the names u already know blah blah).
Also being a second rate gamer in Korea and when u try to get a SERIOUS job isnt gonna do you ANY good. Also not many people get fellowships... maybe about 5% of the population..lol.. and my fellowship is in BME which Georgia Tech is the number 2 institution in. But fuck me why does it matter. I'm just stating that the 10% of the population which we consider to be "sucessful" at least with money probably were NOT second rate gamers or even gamers at all. Even if they were I wouldn;t be too surprised if someone like Flash were to be very successful in life.
If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you. Idra right now doesn't go to school and I putting (I played SC on a Korean B team for my life instead of going to School) on your resume isnt gonna look cool especially if you at least didnt win some big tournies and get some fame. Besides, it's my outlook of Idra you can worship him and admire him all you want. To me he isn't a role model on the large scale. I hope Nony wipes the floor with him.
TSL/WCG usa and all the other tournies he won outside of korea are 'tourneys' with fame. He's gonna win stuff in SC2 too so he'll be fine.
I'm happy you're in a good school and stuff but if you think that's the only way to become succesfull you've been brainwashed.
Well I know theres plenty of other ways.. But lets look at the stats of successful people and just step back. Honestly successful in gaming is like boxer flash level and some others.. Idra.. no.. not really... I already admitted that some progamers are sucessful and I admitted that I fully admire and respect those people. I admire top rate gamers that wow me and achieve so high which is why i love watching them, its like watching my favorite tennis player in action.
I love Starcraft and I think to commit your life to it and become successful is really a massive and admirable task, but it doesn't mean I have to admire all second rate players. Very small population of highschool basketball players will get drafted to the NBA. those in second rate leagues well...honestly not many care. But idra.. please... not even close... I guess when SC2 comes out he has a chance, but speculating sucess doesn;t do us very good. If he does end up becoming super pro in SC2 I will fully bow and respect him. If that is something he wishes to go for, I fully respect that and I think its legit. However... he has to get there first...
I just hope Nony tears him to shreds. Besides, if Nony wins it will probably be more exciting anyways considering hes a huge underdog haha xD.
On February 11 2010 07:45 PiePie wrote: If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you.
The artists, writers, musicians, actors, athletes, competitors et cetera are admirable because of their courage to take risks. If you evaluate all the things you can do in life by how helpful they are for a successful career, then you are taking the easy way out. The world would be very boring if everyone did that.
People with traditional career paths can be admirable if they exceed their colleagues insofar as their field allows superior individuals to rise to the top. But their ability to forge a successful career is completely unadmirable because millions have done so before them and the right choices were always no-brainers. And every step of the way they had tons of advice on how to do it.
On February 11 2010 07:45 PiePie wrote: If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you.
The artists, writers, musicians, actors, athletes, competitors et cetera are admirable because of their courage to take risks. If you evaluate all the things you can do in life by how helpful they are for a successful career, then you are taking the easy way out. The world would be very boring if everyone did that.
People with traditional career paths can be admirable if they exceed their colleagues insofar as their field allows superior individuals to rise to the top. But their ability to forge a successful career is completely unadmirable because millions have done so before them and the right choices were always no-brainers. And every step of the way they had tons of advice on how to do it.
Yes but those actually well off are still admirable in their traditional career paths... Not everyone can become a doctor or lawyer and those paid very high are very few.. the majority of the population is very poor. Now please look at my argument at a whole and not just the money part of it. Money is important, but hes not going to achieve as high as those to reach respect yet... maybe he will in the future and i Admitted thatI WILL respect him. In addition please read what the person posted before me said. he said after we graduate from college and apply for a job.. that he would get it and I wouldn't... we wouldn't even compete in the same job markets and Idra already has sacrificed his education A LOT. There have been many greats in acedemics. Infact computer language and the computer you use now is probably due to the research and work of thousands of people... I mean seriously the most sucessful person in the world and probably one of the most famous is a business man... (add that to doctors, lawyers, businessmen etc).
I understand those jobs are sorta generic but they are VERY hard to achieve to get to the top just like pro gaming. I value top rate gamers the same as I would other people but IDra isnt even close. I said BEFORE i already admire him for the risk but hes not at the state where I would admire him as a starcraft player.
This will be my last post regarding this issue, I do admit it was a bit blown out of proportion and I do apologize for that.
Case in point I dont like Idra BM and Nony needs to show this guy what a married guy can do ;]
On February 11 2010 07:45 PiePie wrote: If you go to apply for a job and ur like hey I want to be part of this company. No legit company is gonna give a shit that u played 12 hrs of SC everyday and thats ALL u know how to do. MAYBE if you were someone liek Flash applying for college WITH actual schooling you might get someone, but you gotta stick out like crazy if you really think starcraft is gonna help u get into school or jobs LOL. Honestly if you know anything about life, unless you are famous in the arts and you really gotta stick out, education is what carries you.
The artists, writers, musicians, actors, athletes, competitors et cetera are admirable because of their courage to take risks. If you evaluate all the things you can do in life by how helpful they are for a successful career, then you are taking the easy way out. The world would be very boring if everyone did that.
People with traditional career paths can be admirable if they exceed their colleagues insofar as their field allows superior individuals to rise to the top. But their ability to forge a successful career is completely unadmirable because millions have done so before them and the right choices were always no-brainers. And every step of the way they had tons of advice on how to do it.
Yes but those actually well off are still admirable in their traditional career paths... Not everyone can become a doctor or lawyer and those paid very high are very few.. the majority of the population is very poor. Now please look at my argument at a whole and not just the money part of it. Money is important, but hes not going to achieve as high as those to reach respect yet... maybe he will in the future and i Admitted thatI WILL respect him. In addition please read what the person posted before me said. he said after we graduate from college and apply for a job.. that he would get it and I wouldn't... we wouldn't even compete in the same job markets and Idra already has sacrificed his education A LOT.
PiePie, this is not a thread to talk about or insult a player's life choices. It is not a thread to compare yourself to him. This hijacks the thread that should be about Idra vs Nony, and as general conduct goes, what you're doing here is distasteful and sad. Consider this a warning.
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
Hmm, Im not sure. But I take it as; while Nony may be better with control and execution, but I think Idra thinks he has an edge with mindgames and I guess overall mindset. After all, IdrA does have more experience with tournaments so I guess not only does he think he has the style advantage, but he is less nervous as well.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
In other words, IdrA is saying that I can beat more people than Ra and JF can beat, but Ra and JF are more likely to beat IdrA than I am. He gets this idea from styles of play.
And do europeans ever watch WWE wrestling? They could learn something about how real athletes talk.
Don't worry Idra, the white man's always been trying to silence the brothers. You do a credit to BHM, where we honor your predecessors. People who refused "to be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate", like Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali is a folk hero, one of the first truly black men to challenge America in black terms. He was not the humble Negro champion like Joe Louis, the good champion who knew his place, “a credit to his race,” whom whites could tolerate. He is neither humble nor socially amoral. He is a complex, brilliant young man, who rewrote the scenario on his terms.
And, of course, white America reacted. After he became champion in 1964, the World’s Boxing Association, largely an honorary agency with little power, stripped him of his title because of his adoption of the Black Muslim faith. And when he refused to be drafted into the Army in 1967, opposing the war in Vietnam, every state boxing commission took away his title and his right to box because his act was “detrimental to boxing.”
Ring magazine, more definitive in its “professional” judgments than any boxing commission, refused to award Ali its 1970 Fighter of the Year award (giving it to Frazier) because they felt that “. . . the winner should be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate. . . . Cassius Clay would have been the ideal example of a professional fighter if he had not refused to sing out ‘God Bless America’.”
Joe Frazier viciously pounded a no longer fleetfooted boxer in thirteen of fifteen rounds, and most of the ringside celebrities applauded the “comeuppance.” “He deserved it,” said one international film star. There were few sympathizers near the ring. Ringsiders seemed satisfied. --- Idra, you are a complex, brilliant young man, neither humble nor socially amoral. Know that if you win, the Man will snub you for not being an immaculate winner. If you lose, they will applaud your comeuppance. But those of us who can see past the color of your skin and applaud you for embracing your culture will always remember you as a champion.
Speaking of money... You know how valuable an experience like this is? When you and idra graduate from university and apply for the same job, who do you think gets picked? The one guy in a hundred thousands of people with a scholarship or the one unique guy that made a living off of something pretty much no american has ever done in a country where literally noone speaks his language? Here's a hint: It's not you. And I'm just speaking of the money here. The life experience you gain there for yourself probably weighs a ton more than anything else.
l o l
here's a hint: it's not idra
yeah, let's hire the kid who played SC in korea for our chem e opening!! rofl
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
This was a good interview but Idra needs to let his bm come naturally; that's how I like it. This bm was forced but I guess it was entertaining somewhat.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
Unfortunately, relying on my basic reading comprehension skills suggests you think Nony is a more skilled player
I quite enjoyed the interview - good luck this weekend.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
Oh god, please keep doing what you're doing.
I hope you win this match just so I can read more of your interviews and the rage they provoke.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
XMFD pre-emptive troll
it's pretty obvious idra is saying that nony is more skilled than White-Ra or JF, unless you take everything out of context like getSome[703]
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
XMFD pre-emptive troll
it's pretty obvious idra is saying that nony is more skilled than White-Ra or JF, unless you take everything out of context like getSome[703]
On February 11 2010 08:40 getSome[703] wrote: Does Idra admit Nony is a better player?
IdrA[Media] No, I think the Ra vs JF winner will be more dangerous simply because they're more comfortable with cheesy, abusive play. If Nony wants to play to my weaknesses, he takes himself out of his element as well, so while he is the more skilled player, I'm much more comfortable with him style wise.
you know, when this was posted hot_bid asked me if i wanted to reword that answer so it was less ambiguous. i replied that no, tl certainly has some stupid posters, but i dont really care if magic~phil misunderstands me and i was pretty sure that everyone else was capable of basic reading comprehension.
XMFD pre-emptive troll
it's pretty obvious idra is saying that nony is more skilled than White-Ra or JF, unless you take everything out of context like getSome[703]
...ok and?
he mean getSome703 not understand what idra say, so jalstar post explain idra words
On February 10 2010 21:11 Zona wrote: Nice interview - good questions and just the right answers to bring some HYPE!
Also, Idra just adopting the same attitude Oov had - and it served Oov well.
Comparing Idra to oov is a joke
come do that when he wins a Starleague, which will be never. This is because he's so sure of himself that he sees no actual flaws in his game, and just thinks any loss he gets is to cheese. This is why he's been in Korea a year and can't beat dream leaguers. And yet he still talks shit.
On February 11 2010 09:09 igotmyown wrote: And do europeans ever watch WWE wrestling? They could learn something about how real athletes talk.
Don't worry Idra, the white man's always been trying to silence the brothers. You do a credit to BHM, where we honor your predecessors. People who refused "to be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate", like Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali is a folk hero, one of the first truly black men to challenge America in black terms. He was not the humble Negro champion like Joe Louis, the good champion who knew his place, “a credit to his race,” whom whites could tolerate. He is neither humble nor socially amoral. He is a complex, brilliant young man, who rewrote the scenario on his terms.
And, of course, white America reacted. After he became champion in 1964, the World’s Boxing Association, largely an honorary agency with little power, stripped him of his title because of his adoption of the Black Muslim faith. And when he refused to be drafted into the Army in 1967, opposing the war in Vietnam, every state boxing commission took away his title and his right to box because his act was “detrimental to boxing.”
Ring magazine, more definitive in its “professional” judgments than any boxing commission, refused to award Ali its 1970 Fighter of the Year award (giving it to Frazier) because they felt that “. . . the winner should be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate. . . . Cassius Clay would have been the ideal example of a professional fighter if he had not refused to sing out ‘God Bless America’.”
Joe Frazier viciously pounded a no longer fleetfooted boxer in thirteen of fifteen rounds, and most of the ringside celebrities applauded the “comeuppance.” “He deserved it,” said one international film star. There were few sympathizers near the ring. Ringsiders seemed satisfied. --- Idra, you are a complex, brilliant young man, neither humble nor socially amoral. Know that if you win, the Man will snub you for not being an immaculate winner. If you lose, they will applaud your comeuppance. But those of us who can see past the color of your skin and applaud you for embracing your culture will always remember you as a champion.
Muhammad Ali is the best boxer of all time
Is idra even in the top 1000 of best Starcraft players of all time?
Good lord this was a funny interview! Ok, so this is about the 4th Idra interview i've seen, but the first one that I honestly thought was funny... I must be catching on or something. I'm hoping Idra wins because he is the best player in this tournament, but holy crap would it be hilarious if Nony won. Prepare something great Nony please!
On February 10 2010 14:20 Hot_Bid wrote: PokerStrategy.com TSL: What is your prediction for this match? Are you going to defeat Nony?
IdrA[Media]: Of course I will. ... PokerStrategy.com TSL: What do you think about his prediction that he will beat you?
IdrA[Media]: Only emo or falsely modest Europeans predict that theyre going to lose games. Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance. So yes of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
I found this funny .
I have to say IdrA really has adapted the Korean mindset. Their confidence really does show through every single victory. "I knew I was going to win because I prepared, and practice hard etc., etc."
Arrogant nerd interview. As usual. I like seeing him raging when he loses, at least that's funny, but this was just pathetic.
IdrA[Media]: Only emo or falsely modest Europeans predict that theyre going to lose games. Confidence is everything in any kind of competition. If you don't absolutely expect to win, you don't really have much of a chance. So yes of course he says that, but it doesn't mean anything.
Yeah, so Mondragon is falsly modest. Point is, Mondragon is not modest, he just behave like a mature person, and he is not a jerk. When Idra is able to do better than 0-2 0-2 against people who practice as much as him, I may take him a bit more seriously. Till then, I will keep thinking he just blows hard, as a person and a player.
I figure with the most recent response it's time for me to quote Idra from his interview a couple of months ago:
On December 17 2009 02:31 Idra: 1) Europeans are far too touchy. Life is much more enjoyable if you relax a bit.
The amount of rage he incites time and time again never ceases to amaze me. People get so worked up over what are essentially comments that are meant for nothing more than pure amusement.
It takes a certain kind of personality to act arrogant in public. Could Mondragon do it? Sure. WOULD HE? I don't think so. Knowing that you will be judged - for reals and under no anonymity - makes it a lot harder to roleplay, and for most people it probably doesn't feel right. For Idra, though, it clearly is worth it for the lulz. Half-serious is probably how I'd describe his interviews.
On February 11 2010 17:55 Azarkon wrote: It takes a certain kind of personality to act arrogant in public. Could Mondragon do it? Sure. WOULD HE? I don't think so. Knowing that you will be judged - for reals and under no anonymity - makes it a lot harder to roleplay, and for most people it probably doesn't feel right. For Idra, though, it clearly is worth it for the lulz. Half-serious is probably how I'd describe his interviews.
The point is, being a prick or behaving so is quite useless. Idra always behave like an idiot, that's not just throwing an interview for the lulz. That's how he is. Why would Mondragon start being a dick when he clearly isn't one?
You ask if Mondragon could, if he wanted, behave like a complete jerk. I ask the opposite: could Idra, if he made an effort, stop being an arrogant nerd, even for the time of one interview? I don't think so.
IdrA is awesome and makes foreign Starcraft entertaining. This reminds me why I hate reading Korean interviews, they all give the same boring standard answers.
[...] as for the emo ones like infernal and ret i think it is actually a real problem and they would have much more success if they were more confident.
When i was looking at Artosis interviewing Ret about Ret's upcoming matches (being courage, TSL or anything) i always thought "why does Ret complain sooo much. Where is your confidence man".
So if you go in game prepared to lose, than you will lose without bringing out your best play.
That's why in korean interviews every pro gamers claims that he will win even though he is not the favorite player in the match. Well except Movie in the finals :D.
If Nony destroys Idra, he will kill me as well. I would laugh on Idra till death. :D I really don't understand that guy, and what he thinks about himself. He is not confident, he is an a**. :D I think there are many players, who has more talent then him, just don't have the opportunity to practice all the time. And he has a big mouth because he was lucky.
I think there are many players, who has more talent then him, just don't have the opportunity to practice all the time. And he Last edit: 2010-02-11 19:25:56 has a big mouth because he was lucky.
So we should give credit to people that could have results because they have tremendous talent or to those who do have results practicing hard? C'mon......
i actually liked this interview, it's funny, it's interesting. Not the usual super whiny, cocky nerd. A bit more acceptable trashtalking and the cockyness is covered by a bit of humour.
ROFL... sorry dude, your post just proved the point.
My post is regards a general matter no where near to an ironical joke that i didn't not get. So your post would have been really funny, but it's not the case.
He just doesn't understand it's an ongoing joke. But we can't really blame him from that, after all, he is a Romanian.
I understand what it is but the reason does not excuse anything.
So you guys think calling someone Romanian to define the lack of accurate understanding of a joke or statement is just fine? You don't feel like you are offending anyone? You probably are really bad with analogies than so there is no point to talk anymore on this matter. Go on.
So, never mind.....
If you weren't a Romanian(no pun intended this time), you would probably find it a good lighthearted humor too, but it's easy to start believing people are shitting on Romania if the country is a part of who you are The sooner you realize it's all inocent humor, the more fun it'll be for you too.
Then how come I got temp banned by hot_bid when I made a typical italian joke? (about italians being hot headed)
On February 11 2010 03:42 Singu wrote: Neither is Idra.
Imo, Idra just needs to blow some steam off and get laid. Artosis, could you set him up with a Korean tranny or something and make a movie of it? Something like him getting a blowjob while he is going proxy fact? That would be awesome.
lol, and after that he says he came without doing a single thing and writes "sucking is a very useful talent toi have"
i always love idra´s trashtalk. he´s really a good heel.
On February 11 2010 09:09 igotmyown wrote: And do europeans ever watch WWE wrestling? They could learn something about how real athletes talk.
Don't worry Idra, the white man's always been trying to silence the brothers. You do a credit to BHM, where we honor your predecessors. People who refused "to be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate", like Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali is a folk hero, one of the first truly black men to challenge America in black terms. He was not the humble Negro champion like Joe Louis, the good champion who knew his place, “a credit to his race,” whom whites could tolerate. He is neither humble nor socially amoral. He is a complex, brilliant young man, who rewrote the scenario on his terms.
And, of course, white America reacted. After he became champion in 1964, the World’s Boxing Association, largely an honorary agency with little power, stripped him of his title because of his adoption of the Black Muslim faith. And when he refused to be drafted into the Army in 1967, opposing the war in Vietnam, every state boxing commission took away his title and his right to box because his act was “detrimental to boxing.”
Ring magazine, more definitive in its “professional” judgments than any boxing commission, refused to award Ali its 1970 Fighter of the Year award (giving it to Frazier) because they felt that “. . . the winner should be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate. . . . Cassius Clay would have been the ideal example of a professional fighter if he had not refused to sing out ‘God Bless America’.”
Joe Frazier viciously pounded a no longer fleetfooted boxer in thirteen of fifteen rounds, and most of the ringside celebrities applauded the “comeuppance.” “He deserved it,” said one international film star. There were few sympathizers near the ring. Ringsiders seemed satisfied. --- Idra, you are a complex, brilliant young man, neither humble nor socially amoral. Know that if you win, the Man will snub you for not being an immaculate winner. If you lose, they will applaud your comeuppance. But those of us who can see past the color of your skin and applaud you for embracing your culture will always remember you as a champion.
1.Iam not watching sports for the talking. 2.The acting in WWE is worse than in Porn movies. 3.Are you from Texas?
I don't quite agree. The history of the players and the rivalry stories make stuff interesting. That's why Stork vs Bisu and Flash vs Jaedong games bring so much hype.
On February 11 2010 17:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I figure with the most recent response it's time for me to quote Idra from his interview a couple of months ago:
On December 17 2009 02:31 Idra: 1) Europeans are far too touchy. Life is much more enjoyable if you relax a bit.
The amount of rage he incites time and time again never ceases to amaze me. People get so worked up over what are essentially comments that are meant for nothing more than pure amusement.
Hint: people who talk about how "epic of a troll" and how much "rage they induce in people" usually have very little grasp on social relations between people that they have.
I love trash talk. When its warranted. When you can't beat dream leaguers and all you can win is foreign tournaments (and your entire life is practicing Starcraft, but you can't beat people who practice as much as you do), you aren't really in the position to trash talk.
Also, lol at the person who says he's going to win in Starcraft 2. idra will be stuck playing SC1 while everyone else is playing SC2 because of his obligations to CJ, and its not like idra is some creative maestro. He's a mechanics player, so a brand new SC2 environment with rapidly switching metagames and build orders isn't really an environment he would thrive in.
I don't quite agree. The history of the players and the rivalry stories make stuff interesting. That's why Stork vs Bisu and Flash vs Jaedong games bring so much hype.
Their rivalrys have about 0 to do with what they said to each other. It's their amazing play that made them stand out. It has about nothing to do with their talking.
Btw: Someone brought WWE up for *good* Trashtalk? Are you kidding?
On February 10 2010 14:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I wish half of you met idra in person.
That'd make these kind of interviews somewhere in the area of 600,000 times more funny.
I've actually met him, he's a great guy. He says what he thinks and if he nerdrages its just about frustration, people should chill a bit. I like both players but since I'm Terran, GO GREG! No offence to Tyler :p
Idra must be laughing his ass of every time he does an interview and 3548 people get their panties in a twist, feel the need to express how offended they feel and start to whine incessantly.
I really, really hope Idra wins, but if he somehow loses then it would be great to see a new classic Idra nerdrage quote (''useful talent toi have'', ''congrats on lpaying protoss'', ''you won without doing a single thing'' etc). That would sort of make up for it.
In real life you don't get mentally stable guys talking this way, this is a way for emos to make up for their insecurities. Good luck for Idra, even if he wins, he still has a problem.
On February 11 2010 17:36 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I figure with the most recent response it's time for me to quote Idra from his interview a couple of months ago:
On December 17 2009 02:31 Idra: 1) Europeans are far too touchy. Life is much more enjoyable if you relax a bit.
The amount of rage he incites time and time again never ceases to amaze me. People get so worked up over what are essentially comments that are meant for nothing more than pure amusement.
Hint: people who talk about how "epic of a troll" and how much "rage they induce in people" usually have very little grasp on social relations between people that they have.
I love trash talk. When its warranted. When you can't beat dream leaguers and all you can win is foreign tournaments (and your entire life is practicing Starcraft, but you can't beat people who practice as much as you do), you aren't really in the position to trash talk.
Also, lol at the person who says he's going to win in Starcraft 2. idra will be stuck playing SC1 while everyone else is playing SC2 because of his obligations to CJ, and its not like idra is some creative maestro. He's a mechanics player, so a brand new SC2 environment with rapidly switching metagames and build orders isn't really an environment he would thrive in.
Your post is more insulting than all of idra's interview. You make direct insults in a harsh and serious tone. You mean what you say. You're wrong; but you say it anyways. Idra provides humor with an extreme stand point that, while at the core is true, is obviously fluffed up to appeal to everybody's sense of humor.
Your trash talk is both unwarranted, unamusing, and unwanted. Idra's is the opposite.
Re-wrote a version of the interview for all the whiners who can't handle an interview unless it's a carebear circle jerk. Perhaps we can have all whiney bitch IP's automatically routed to this interview instead.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What is your prediction for this match? Are you going to defeat Nony?
IdrA[Media]: I will train hard and try my best.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Were you impressed by Nony's 6-0 against Horror and Tarson?
IdrA[Media]: Nony is a good player who trains hard and tries his best. I will train hard and try my best to defeat him.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What do you think about his prediction that he will beat you?
IdrA[Media]: He is training hard and trying his best. I am training hard as well and I will try my best.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: How will you counter double nexus and the unit that kills everything?
IdrA[Media]: I will train hard and try my best to defeat these strategies.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: So if Nony goes double nexus every game, you might lose?
IdrA[Media]: I will train hard to counter this strategy and try my best.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Will it be a 3-0 victory for you?
IdrA[Media]: I hope so, I am training hard and I will try my best.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: What are your predictions for the other matchups?
IdrA[Media] I predict they will train hard and try their best.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Is Nony your biggest threat?
IdrA[Media] Nony is training hard and trying his best. If I train hard and try my best I think I can maybe perhaps probably possibly win.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: Keep training hard and trying your best!
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Thanks for the interview and we look forward to your games!
IdrA[Media]: Thanks, I will train hard and try my best. Maybe we can all win!
On February 12 2010 06:12 Myrkskog wrote: Re-wrote a version of the interview for all the whiners who can't handle an interview unless it's a carebear circle jerk. Perhaps we can have all whiney bitch IP's automatically routed to this interview instead.
I love having someone like Idra in the community. I'm VERY GLAD that more people aren't like him. But I certainly prefer 1 or 2 Idras as opposed to the boring emotionless personalities of the Korean pro-gamers. And yes, I know that the Korean pros are kinda forced to be that way. My point, though, is that its nice having a bad guy. Not to mention I don't think he's really all that bad when you compare him to the CS community.
On February 12 2010 06:12 Myrkskog wrote: Re-wrote a version of the interview for all the whiners who can't handle an interview unless it's a carebear circle jerk. Perhaps we can have all whiney bitch IP's automatically routed to this interview instead.
On February 12 2010 06:12 Myrkskog wrote: Re-wrote a version of the interview for all the whiners who can't handle an interview unless it's a carebear circle jerk. Perhaps we can have all whiney bitch IP's automatically routed to this interview instead.
you can be confident without saying stuff like your gonna own everyone and stuff seriously. nobody likes cocky people because they are full of themselves and this shitty world deserves something better. respecting your opponents is the same as respecting yourself .
On February 12 2010 07:59 Mohdoo wrote: I love having someone like Idra in the community. I'm VERY GLAD that more people aren't like him. But I certainly prefer 1 or 2 Idras as opposed to the boring emotionless personalities of the Korean pro-gamers. And yes, I know that the Korean pros are kinda forced to be that way. My point, though, is that its nice having a bad guy. Not to mention I don't think he's really all that bad when you compare him to the CS community.
stork was kind of BM after his interview against i think it was Kwanro. laughing because he heard that kwanro practiced really hard for their matches then just cheesed.
On February 12 2010 06:12 Myrkskog wrote: Re-wrote a version of the interview for all the whiners who can't handle an interview unless it's a carebear circle jerk. Perhaps we can have all whiney bitch IP's automatically routed to this interview instead.
Come on guys...I'm someone who considers Idra's typical nerd-ragey-ness a huge embarrassment to the foreign scene, and even I can tell that this interview is just a bit of jokey, harmless trash talk. Nothing worth getting worked up about...
The title of this thread is misleading big time. Idra didnt predict a 3-0 in the interview. TL asked him if he would 3-0, and of course he has to respond yes. Saying no to that question is not what you do if you are him.
On February 12 2010 08:23 iG.SwOrD wrote: you can be confident without saying stuff like your gonna own everyone and stuff seriously. nobody likes cocky people because they are full of themselves and this shitty world deserves something better. respecting your opponents is the same as respecting yourself .
Yeah curse you Idra for not having respect for your opponents. Hey Nony how'd you find the ro16 games the other week?
It was concerning JF/Terran Ra/tt1 games. He then proceeded to go on about how all foreigners are bad and should be ashamed of themselves because they actually try to be good.
It's really sad that people pretend to see some difference in the way nony conducts himself compared to Idra. Just shows how much public opinion sways people. They are incredibly close in their mindset and the things they say. I guess Nony spends far more time defensively justifying his actions while Idra just sort of acknowledges and owns up to the things he says
On February 12 2010 22:22 floor exercise wrote: It was concerning JF/Terran Ra/tt1 games. He then proceeded to go on about how all foreigners are bad and should be ashamed of themselves because they actually try to be good.
It's really sad that people pretend to see some difference in the way nony conducts himself compared to Idra. Just shows how much public opinion sways people. They are incredibly close in their mindset and the things they say. I guess Nony spends far more time defensively justifying his actions while Idra just sort of acknowledges and owns up to the things he says
So Nony is the King Pin, a very populat guy in town, but in secret he always is a villan:
And idrA is the Green Goblin, the obvious villan, always making fun and being mean:
Look at this from a psychological state of mind frame. This is a common tactic: you start saying stuff like "I'm going to win 3-0" to yourself over and over and eventually you start believing it. He's trying to psych himself up for the match to help him win.
IdrA is like a body builder (mentally not physically!). They're like a hard boiled egg. On the outside they look tough, but inside they're an emotional mess.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
well, everyone can mean whatever they want... And I kinda agree with nony.. Koll, tarson, draco and so on played imba BAD in RO16 or when they were knocked out.
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
so wat ur saying is u like talking shit behind someones back because u dont have the balls to say it to their face or in the public so people dont dislike u afterwards? very nice summary
Obviously you can read his writing. I would consider that post to be public, no? NonY is my kind of guy; he tells it the way it is.
I'm the same way. If I don't like you; you are going to know about it. If you are wrong or do something stupid. You are going to hear it from me whether it be on these forums or elsewhere. No reason to hide it like a dirt digging mole. Covering yourself in shit will only fester in other ways.
On February 13 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote: How dare Nony say that someone played bad in a video game. I think that's just about the lowest thing one human being can say to another.
If I were Nony I would make a full apology in a press conference for hurting those players and their families.
Go back a page that's pretty much what he did?
I have nothing against either player or their attitudes. I feel like if you don't think you can beat everyone then you don't have the right mindset for competition. That doesn't necessarily mean disparaging others, but having absolute belief in yourself is nothing but a good thing.
I just think it's amusing how hypocritical people are when it comes to idra/nony when they are virtually identical. I don't see how someone can be a fan of one and not the other based on their attitude when they have the same attitude toward things more or less. Based on some other metric I can see why you would like one over the other, maybe you are a protoss fan or you think one is just an all around better player etc. But on how they act? It's really absurd
A great example is the guy who just said he values honesty over modesty. With what is being described as honesty so far (telling people they are bad, etc) isn't Idra technically far more 'honest' by that definition? I mean he will tell you how bad you are but he won't write a book explaining the exact criteria that result in you being labeled "fucking bad" trying to explain away his actions etc. He just pretty much embraces the fact that if he speaks his mind people are going to form their own opinions. And that guy is a Nony fan and not an Idra fan. That just doesn't compute for me.
Nothing they do or say so far has offended my delicate sensibilities or how I think you should treat other people, I just see them as being completely cut from the same cloth but somehow the entire community sees Nony as a saint and Idra as the biggest asshole in the world, and I would love for someone to be able to explain that phenomenon.
Their personalities are far from the same man, including their attitude. NonY has a cool, calm demeanor. IdrA is far from cool, calm and collect. I'll give one last example: NonY is an extrovert while IdrA is an introvert.
On paper, they might preach the same thing, i.e. "... win 3-0." This by no means tells you how honest they are. lmao
It's like saying, "OH NonY and IdrA are American; they both have four letters in their nicknames and they even use caps for the first and last letter! It sounds just as stupid.
Don't be so narrow-minded; don't generalize; don't make things sound so simplistic because they really aren't.
Back to the 3-0 statements.
Did you read what I wrote before about the psychological mindset? If you tell yourself the same thing everyday eventually you'll start to believe it. MMA fighters and boxers do this all the time, whether it be for publicity/promoting their fights or to psyche themselves up for the inevitable match. It helps them go in their match with the right mindset.
With that said, there is a borderline difference between cocky and confidence.
IdrA comes across as cocky. Hell, he uses a lot of cocky humor in his interviews which makes it entertaining.
NonY comes across as confident. He is far more subtle. Listen to his radio interview and perhaps you'll notice the difference.
You got one thing right. I like NonY more than I like IdrA. Hell, I've been vouching for NonY ever since TSL1. I picked him over JF to win the entire thing by a small margin.
Actually, I have to agree with NonY on almost all counts. White-Ra played quite badly for someone who's considered top 3-5 foreigner. TT1 choked. Kolll choked. Tarson choked epicly. But I have to disagree with NonY playing good, and the same with Fenix. NonY played very abusively, and the Terran's he played were subpar mechanically, and choked epicly. It wasn't that he played great, it was that his opponents played awfully. Same with Fenix. Fenix didn't do anything reat, didn't show good mechanics or micro, he just made marines early on, and won. Then he did a mech build, which kolll somehow fails against, and won again. lol
Well you see, Nony's name starts with an N, and Idra's starts with an I. Nony has less trouble talking to girls, whereas Idra is prone to sweaty palms in the presence of the opposite sex. There's a world of difference between these two!
None of those things however have anything to do with how they treat opponents, which is remarkably similar. They both rage and cry when they lose, granted Idra does it more often. They both think they are much better than they actually are etc.
You still fail to realize that i don't see anything wrong with competitive mindset and thinking you are better than your opponent.
Your post above commends Nony for telling it like it is right after Nony's post itself says that he will talk about people differently behind their backs?
There is a difference between cocky and confident but you make no attempts whatsoever to explain how, and why Nony is confident and Idra is cocky? Because he is your extroverted handsome progamer boycrush?
I understand that you think one of them represents some ideal of a competitive mindset but there's no argument or example given to suggest that they have a different attitude towards the game and their opponents when you take away the fact that Nony has a large following and Idra has a comparatively smaller one.
Take for example Mondragon and his "false modesty" as one end of the spectrum on how you can talk about opponents and yourself, with Idra on the other. How do you reasonably justify not having Nony and Idra very very close in relation?
On February 13 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote: How dare Nony say that someone played bad in a video game. I think that's just about the lowest thing one human being can say to another.
If I were Nony I would make a full apology in a press conference for hurting those players and their families.
Go back a page that's pretty much what he did?
I have nothing against either player or their attitudes. I feel like if you don't think you can beat everyone then you don't have the right mindset for competition. That doesn't necessarily mean disparaging others, but having absolute belief in yourself is nothing but a good thing.
I just think it's amusing how hypocritical people are when it comes to idra/nony when they are virtually identical. I don't see how someone can be a fan of one and not the other based on their attitude when they have the same attitude toward things more or less. Based on some other metric I can see why you would like one over the other, maybe you are a protoss fan or you think one is just an all around better player etc. But on how they act? It's really absurd
A great example is the guy who just said he values honesty over modesty. With what is being described as honesty so far (telling people they are bad, etc) isn't Idra technically far more 'honest' by that definition? I mean he will tell you how bad you are but he won't write a book explaining the exact criteria that result in you being labeled "fucking bad" trying to explain away his actions etc. He just pretty much embraces the fact that if he speaks his mind people are going to form their own opinions. And that guy is a Nony fan and not an Idra fan. That just doesn't compute for me.
Nothing they do or say so far has offended my delicate sensibilities or how I think you should treat other people, I just see them as being completely cut from the same cloth but somehow the entire community sees Nony as a saint and Idra as the biggest asshole in the world, and I would love for someone to be able to explain that phenomenon.
Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not...
Idra is a player that acts like a kid and flames all the time, he wines when he's not happy and he's fucking annoying like fayth was , but the guys fuckin good.
Nony is more straight forward and says what he thinks, he's very positive and will say that he's gonna win every opponent easy, yes sometimes bad manner maybe considered by some, but in the end it probably gets to his opponents and if they screw up cause of pressure well that's good for him.
I would not put both players has being the same, they have similar ways to express but probably not for the same reasons.
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
so wat ur saying is u like talking shit behind someones back because u dont have the balls to say it to their face or in the public so people dont dislike u afterwards? very nice summary
I'll say it if someone asks. I mean, what kinda position do you think I'm in when my evaluation of someone's performance is that they did poorly? Suddenly I'm not allowed to give my opinion to anyone except the person I'm evaluating, or else it's talking shit behind backs? I'm not afraid to say it at any point to anyone but there are some situations where I won't mention it because it only has a negative effect.
If I messaged you after watching your match I'd say like this "hey i just saw the games. imo you would have won if you were playing your best, but it looked like nerves got to you" and then how i follow up depends if you are pissed/sad/dismissive/whatever
It could translate to "you sucked" from one perspective but I'm not gonna be that offensive and antagonizing and mean. I'll tell you how it is without attaching anything to it.
But if I'm gonna summarize my thoughts on the whole Ro16 in one message that I'm typing while playing a game to some random dude, then I don't have to worry about offending anyone. I can be crass and it doesn't matter.
On February 13 2010 05:38 Coulthard wrote: I am pretty sure Draco would 3-0 you again Nony
Dunno how this is even relevant. Just seems like random shit talking to me. But I'd hope that Draco is a lot better than an A- Korean at PvP, cuz even the shitty throw-away warmup games that end up on my stream show me raping A- Koreans like it was their first week playing BW.
But Draco is an awesome dude who definitely has talent, and at times had a lot of motivation to bring that talent out. Apparently he doesn't have that motivation anymore. I don't come into this picture anywhere.
On February 13 2010 06:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Actually, I have to agree with NonY on almost all counts. White-Ra played quite badly for someone who's considered top 3-5 foreigner. TT1 choked. Kolll choked. Tarson choked epicly. But I have to disagree with NonY playing good, and the same with Fenix. NonY played very abusively, and the Terran's he played were subpar mechanically, and choked epicly. It wasn't that he played great, it was that his opponents played awfully. Same with Fenix. Fenix didn't do anything reat, didn't show good mechanics or micro, he just made marines early on, and won. Then he did a mech build, which kolll somehow fails against, and won again. lol
Yeah it's true I didn't show much skill in my matches but I didn't screw anything up. My builds were obviously very well chosen for my opponents and I executed them sufficiently. They made some unforced errors, and some forced errors, so I took the games. You can watch other series where errors are made and people don't capitalize on them.
While Fenix wasn't dominant, he showed an ability to do what it takes to win. I think gosi[terran] and brat_ok were kinda in similar positions as Fenix but Fenix adjusted and got his wins while they didn't.
Some people get it; others don't. Is it as simple as that? If I generalize like you then yes.
I'm not a teacher. As a result, it would be fickle to explain it to someone of your stature. Besides that, I don't like you. Why would I explain something to someone I don't like? I have zero gain; zero stakes.
However, I told you where to look. Hopefully you can figure out the difference between the 2 C's yourself. I'll leave you with this:
A contemporary extrovert clubbing analogy. After all, you were the one who brought it up in the first place:
It's like trying to teach someone how to pick up women at a nightclub. Some guys get it while everyone else has to learn the ropes. As for the others? They don't get it at all. These alley cats look dumbfounded and ask, "How?" You can try explaining it to them, but they don't get it. You hope they come around. Eventually some of them will, but it takes a lot of time and experience.
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As for your other remarks:
NonY isn't a pro gamer and sorry to burst your bubble but I'm not gay. You've made it abundantly clear: you are in no position to judge someone's personality when you don't know what you are looking for.
Do I jump up and down with pom poms for JD, Savior, Bisu or Flash? Fuck no. Do you see me posting, "GOGO MBC Hero!" every chance I get? Fuck no. Look at my posting history and I dare you tell me otherwise. Did I select NonY in the TSL1 contest. Yes. Why? Because I know how good he could play.
I don't care how they treat their opponents. It's not my problem. It's theirs. I'll tell you one thing: their persona in person is a lot different from online. Online they're both arrogant. That is the word you were looking for. ARROGANT. Let me tell you something, arrogance can be positive or negative attribute. It's how the player uses it. How can it be positive? They block out the outside world and focus on themselves. They don't have to worry about other people's problems.
As for the double standard. IdrA has pulled a lot more crap than NonY as you pointed out. That's the simplistic answer.
On February 13 2010 04:45 Slow Motion wrote: How dare Nony say that someone played bad in a video game. I think that's just about the lowest thing one human being can say to another.
If I were Nony I would make a full apology in a press conference for hurting those players and their families.
Go back a page that's pretty much what he did?
I have nothing against either player or their attitudes. I feel like if you don't think you can beat everyone then you don't have the right mindset for competition. That doesn't necessarily mean disparaging others, but having absolute belief in yourself is nothing but a good thing.
I just think it's amusing how hypocritical people are when it comes to idra/nony when they are virtually identical. I don't see how someone can be a fan of one and not the other based on their attitude when they have the same attitude toward things more or less. Based on some other metric I can see why you would like one over the other, maybe you are a protoss fan or you think one is just an all around better player etc. But on how they act? It's really absurd
A great example is the guy who just said he values honesty over modesty. With what is being described as honesty so far (telling people they are bad, etc) isn't Idra technically far more 'honest' by that definition? I mean he will tell you how bad you are but he won't write a book explaining the exact criteria that result in you being labeled "fucking bad" trying to explain away his actions etc. He just pretty much embraces the fact that if he speaks his mind people are going to form their own opinions. And that guy is a Nony fan and not an Idra fan. That just doesn't compute for me.
Nothing they do or say so far has offended my delicate sensibilities or how I think you should treat other people, I just see them as being completely cut from the same cloth but somehow the entire community sees Nony as a saint and Idra as the biggest asshole in the world, and I would love for someone to be able to explain that phenomenon.
Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not...
Idra is a player that acts like a kid and flames all the time, he wines when he's not happy and he's fucking annoying like fayth was , but the guys fuckin good.
Nony is more straight forward and says what he thinks, he's very positive and will say that he's gonna win every opponent easy, yes sometimes bad manner maybe considered by some, but in the end it probably gets to his opponents and if they screw up cause of pressure well that's good for him.
I would not put both players has being the same, they have similar ways to express but probably not for the same reasons.
that's my thoughts on both!
Okay, this pretty much sums up my argument:
"Well I would not see both has the same at all, Nony mostly GG's and idra does not... "
Nony practically invented not GGing after he loses. He says he doesn't see the reason in it or doesn't think it's a big deal or whatever, but to say "nony mostly GGs and idra does not" just goes to show how people honestly can't justify choosing one of these players over the other based on their attitude. People are either very quick to forget history when its convenient or just don't know it
I think when a player doesn't GG they are clearly mad, I don't think it's BM or whatever so again I don't judge Nony, I'm just pointing out how people can see 2 players who act the same way in such opposite lights.
It's just pure hypocrisy that people will use reasons like that to suggest Idra is not worth cheering for or supporting in his SC endeavors when in fact Nony is just as notorious if not moreso for it than Idra is. It's bandwagoning 101.
I'm not trying to pick on people for having a favorite, being able to cheer for your favorite foreigners in TSL is what makes it awesome. It's just hard to see the majority of the people who will bash idra and support Nony as sheep.
Listen, I like you and I have enjoyed our discourse, but your points and analogies continuously fall somewhere between "irrelevant" and "stupid". I get that you often find yourself lost in Nony's glittering blue eyes, and that's okay. I respect your choice to support one player over the other. I also get that you have supported him since way back in TSL1. Personally I have formulated my opinion on the type of player he is (arrogant, confident, call it what you will) much earlier than that. since the days when he was a newbie posting videos of himself cloning probes on LT to show people how quick he is with a mouse.
I think both of these players have lots of talent and I can't wait to see them play! I only lament for poor Gregory Fields and his comparatively minuscule fanbase. I wish only that people would come to the realization, that while one player may walk with a swagger and a knowing grin, and the other with hunched shoulders and meekness that even a mouse would envy that on the digital battlefield of this glorious video game they are in fact very similar indeed!
Well I guess the good thing about IdrA and NonY facing each other this early in the tournament is that one will be out by the end of the round. I'm rooting for IdrA, but whoever wins I'll be rooting against in the semifinals. Rooting for ret, sen, jf, and fenix among the remaining 8. Still hoping for some good games though.
Yeah, that's the response I was expecting from you.
On a final note: Greg and Tyler don't care how big their fan base is. That is one similarity. Whether you love them or hate them, its money. No one pays attention to mediocrity.
I'd like to go back to the "GG" for a moment because you didn't answer my previous question.
Do you "GG" at the end of every game? Do you actually believe everyone means it when they know they played like shit? Fuck no. Unconsciously they're thinking about what they could have done better as they type out. Everyone has these unconscious thoughts. This is human nature.
So when you type "GG" at the end of the next game you play. Give pause. Ask yourself, "was there good back and forth action? Did your opponent play well? Did you play well?" Be honest.
Saying "GG" after every game is the biggest crock. You know it, I know it. It isn't honesty. It's a load of crap. I have no problem telling my opponent "GG" as long as I'm satisfied with how the game went even if I lost.
Some examples:
- someone far superior helps me train - solid back and forth action - very close game
They ban for all sorts of reasons. Hell, they would ban you just for not liking you. Good thing life isn't a popularity contest. Anyway, he's in Team Liquid, so what the fuck you expect?
Bob,
I cannot believe the amount of bets on this one. Thank Rekrul. Perhaps floor should be cheering for NonY to win because a lot of people will have reason to hate him financially. Maybe he'll get the disparity he's looking for then.
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16
Mondragon plays PvZ?
Or was there a different 3rd person that you meant to say?
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16
Mondragon plays PvZ?
Or was there a different 3rd person that you meant to say?
he does play pvz (not in tournaments), and he's quite good at it
Uh I predict 3-2 Idra, I guess Nony has prepared some more for this series but his overflow of pride will prevent him from doing risky builds (double nexus cheese? lol?) and lose to macro/suicide whole goon army to tanks.
On February 13 2010 06:37 ZZangDreamjOy wrote: Actually, I have to agree with NonY on almost all counts. White-Ra played quite badly for someone who's considered top 3-5 foreigner. TT1 choked. Kolll choked. Tarson choked epicly. But I have to disagree with NonY playing good, and the same with Fenix. NonY played very abusively, and the Terran's he played were subpar mechanically, and choked epicly. It wasn't that he played great, it was that his opponents played awfully. Same with Fenix. Fenix didn't do anything reat, didn't show good mechanics or micro, he just made marines early on, and won. Then he did a mech build, which kolll somehow fails against, and won again. lol
Yeah it's true I didn't show much skill in my matches but I didn't screw anything up. My builds were obviously very well chosen for my opponents and I executed them sufficiently. They made some unforced errors, and some forced errors, so I took the games. You can watch other series where errors are made and people don't capitalize on them.
While Fenix wasn't dominant, he showed an ability to do what it takes to win. I think gosi[terran] and brat_ok were kinda in similar positions as Fenix but Fenix adjusted and got his wins while they didn't.
I hope you didn't take offense to any of that. haha. Your a great player. I'd like to know your expectations on JF vs White-Ra and Mondragon vs Fenix though. Personally I think JF should beat White-Ra, and Mondragon is much more adaptive and smarter then Kolll, so he should take his series.
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16
Mondragon plays PvZ?
Or was there a different 3rd person that you meant to say?
he does play pvz (not in tournaments), and he's quite good at it
yeah his pvz is pretty sick. he has a great understanding of zvp/pvz
Idra has been playing everyday 10 hours a day with pros almost similar to nony's style. And its 10k on the line!!! Idra 3-0 or 3-1 NO DOUBT. Don't let a couple weeks of streaming fool you folks.
Ret is the real hope, he's much more versatile then nony. Ret 3-2 in the finals of TSL you heard it here!!!
On February 11 2010 09:09 igotmyown wrote: And do europeans ever watch WWE wrestling? They could learn something about how real athletes talk.
Don't worry Idra, the white man's always been trying to silence the brothers. You do a credit to BHM, where we honor your predecessors. People who refused "to be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate", like Muhammad Ali.
Muhammad Ali is a folk hero, one of the first truly black men to challenge America in black terms. He was not the humble Negro champion like Joe Louis, the good champion who knew his place, “a credit to his race,” whom whites could tolerate. He is neither humble nor socially amoral. He is a complex, brilliant young man, who rewrote the scenario on his terms.
And, of course, white America reacted. After he became champion in 1964, the World’s Boxing Association, largely an honorary agency with little power, stripped him of his title because of his adoption of the Black Muslim faith. And when he refused to be drafted into the Army in 1967, opposing the war in Vietnam, every state boxing commission took away his title and his right to box because his act was “detrimental to boxing.”
Ring magazine, more definitive in its “professional” judgments than any boxing commission, refused to award Ali its 1970 Fighter of the Year award (giving it to Frazier) because they felt that “. . . the winner should be a model for the Growing American Boy, that his public relation be immaculate. . . . Cassius Clay would have been the ideal example of a professional fighter if he had not refused to sing out ‘God Bless America’.”
Joe Frazier viciously pounded a no longer fleetfooted boxer in thirteen of fifteen rounds, and most of the ringside celebrities applauded the “comeuppance.” “He deserved it,” said one international film star. There were few sympathizers near the ring. Ringsiders seemed satisfied. --- Idra, you are a complex, brilliant young man, neither humble nor socially amoral. Know that if you win, the Man will snub you for not being an immaculate winner. If you lose, they will applaud your comeuppance. But those of us who can see past the color of your skin and applaud you for embracing your culture will always remember you as a champion.
Its understandable to be mad when you lose in a competitive environment, every athlete goes through that (real sports or e-sports) when they lose. Here's the difference: you take your lumps like a man, look at what you could have done better and what your opponent did, and how you can prevent that in the future.
Here's what idra does: cries about losses being due to luck or cheese. Its so irritating, just like a basketball player who blames every loss on the refs.
The crying about cheese is something annoying shared by a lot of Starcraft fans, like because its unorthodox its not a "legit" strategy. If it works and is legal, why is it somehow dishonorable? Its not like people cry about how unfair and "lame" a trick play in football is. I notice this in e-sports that there is a lot more crying about "unfair" or "lame" tactics than in real life sports
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
I smile because seing someone being that cocky, arrogant and disrespectful after what we unfortunately have to call a quite huge failure, and before facing someone who will spank him 99% is quite funny.
I can imagine that in an interview any player of eStro could say "Oh yeah, this american guy. Hahaha. He blew so much that he couldn't even make courage. And he lacked so much determination that he left after one try. Yeah, they are so bad, foreigners." Nony is a good player, but so are all the player he trash talk about. And they all blow, Nony included compared to any mediocre b-teamer such as Idra. Who blow like a noob against bad A-teamer. And bad A-teamer such as Rock blow so much that everybody laugh everytime he plays against good A-teamer. And then again, good A-teamer blow compared to Flash and Jaedong.
So there is five level of players upon Nony's head who could laugh at how bad, how horrendous he is at that game. That's a good reason to show a little little bit of humility.
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
I smile because seing someone being that cocky, arrogant and disrespectful after what we unfortunately have to call a quite huge failure, and before facing someone who will spank him 99% is quite funny.
I can imagine that in an interview any player of eStro could say "Oh yeah, this american guy. Hahaha. He blew so much that he couldn't even make courage. And he lacked so much determination that he left after one try. Yeah, they are so bad, foreigners." Nony is a good player, but so are all the player he trash talk about. And they all blow, Nony included compared to any mediocre b-teamer such as Idra. Who blow like a noob against bad A-teamer. And bad A-teamer such as Rock blow so much that everybody laugh everytime he plays against good A-teamer. And then again, good A-teamer blow compared to Flash and Jaedong.
So there is five level of players upon Nony's head who could laugh at how bad, how horrendous he is at that game. That's a good reason to show a little little bit of humility.
On February 13 2010 20:14 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 09:56 selboN wrote:
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
I smile because seing someone being that cocky, arrogant and disrespectful after what we unfortunately have to call a quite huge failure, and before facing someone who will spank him 99% is quite funny.
I can imagine that in an interview any player of eStro could say "Oh yeah, this american guy. Hahaha. He blew so much that he couldn't even make courage. And he lacked so much determination that he left after one try. Yeah, they are so bad, foreigners." Nony is a good player, but so are all the player he trash talk about. And they all blow, Nony included compared to any mediocre b-teamer such as Idra. Who blow like a noob against bad A-teamer. And bad A-teamer such as Rock blow so much that everybody laugh everytime he plays against good A-teamer. And then again, good A-teamer blow compared to Flash and Jaedong.
So there is five level of players upon Nony's head who could laugh at how bad, how horrendous he is at that game. That's a good reason to show a little little bit of humility.
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
I smile because seing someone being that cocky, arrogant and disrespectful after what we unfortunately have to call a quite huge failure, and before facing someone who will spank him 99% is quite funny.
I can imagine that in an interview any player of eStro could say "Oh yeah, this american guy. Hahaha. He blew so much that he couldn't even make courage. And he lacked so much determination that he left after one try. Yeah, they are so bad, foreigners." Nony is a good player, but so are all the player he trash talk about. And they all blow, Nony included compared to any mediocre b-teamer such as Idra. Who blow like a noob against bad A-teamer. And bad A-teamer such as Rock blow so much that everybody laugh everytime he plays against good A-teamer. And then again, good A-teamer blow compared to Flash and Jaedong.
So there is five level of players upon Nony's head who could laugh at how bad, how horrendous he is at that game. That's a good reason to show a little little bit of humility.
And I smile because I like smiling. Fine?
The self-satisfaction in that post is tantamount to masturbation.
On February 13 2010 09:30 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 13 2010 02:40 Liquid`NonY wrote: Bad is below expectation. Expectations are high.
GosI[Terran] - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ra - gets pushed to a tense 5th game when Kabal is making unforced errors Kabal - bad under pressure Xiaozi - mechanics not even close Tarson - bad under pressure Brat_OK - to quote Artosis, no flair kolll - bad under pressure / couldn't adjust on the spot Ret - agreeing with Artosis here, Ret didn't play his best. Dunno why (moving back home?), but below expectation Sen - good enough mechanics but outdated style. Dreiven/Infernal/Mondragon's PvZ would've ended Sen in the Ro16 Draco - just not good enough. Taking into account his recent retirement statement, I think he just couldn't dig up enough motivation to do his best in this TSL.
JF, me, IdrA, Mondragon and Fenix all came out and did what was expected of us or better. Good performances. Everyone else - bad performances. Bad performance means bad skill means they're bad. Throw a 'fucking' in there for good measure. Ezpz summary.
The Ro16 was like a race where people enter with best times of 60 seconds or faster and 3/4 of them finish in 65+ seconds. I'm gonna call them bad. I don't want to antagonize them, so I won't say it to their faces or in an interview I know they'll read. But while making small talk in a practice game, sure I will.
I'm quite happy with Idra vs Nony. I will be happy anyway as one of them has to lose.
I hope you deliver, Nony. I don't think it will even be close, but after a post like that, better not getting spanked.
Fact is, you call everybody bad, but you didn't quite succeed in Korea, and most progamer there could be saying that you blow. Or that Idra who has spend years of his life playing this game and not doing anyhting else at all hasn't achieve anything at all except beating people who practice 6 times less than him. Oh well... You both are very good at trash talking.
...Don't make a fucking stupid smiley face after something you're directing as an insult. NonY didn't succeed in Korea because he figured out that being a pro-gamer is just fucking retarded. He obviously has many things going for him, why would he stay there? He can say they're bad all he wants, that's an opinion I assume that is what we are here to share on this forum?
I smile because seing someone being that cocky, arrogant and disrespectful after what we unfortunately have to call a quite huge failure, and before facing someone who will spank him 99% is quite funny.
I can imagine that in an interview any player of eStro could say "Oh yeah, this american guy. Hahaha. He blew so much that he couldn't even make courage. And he lacked so much determination that he left after one try. Yeah, they are so bad, foreigners." Nony is a good player, but so are all the player he trash talk about. And they all blow, Nony included compared to any mediocre b-teamer such as Idra. Who blow like a noob against bad A-teamer. And bad A-teamer such as Rock blow so much that everybody laugh everytime he plays against good A-teamer. And then again, good A-teamer blow compared to Flash and Jaedong.
So there is five level of players upon Nony's head who could laugh at how bad, how horrendous he is at that game. That's a good reason to show a little little bit of humility.
On February 13 2010 09:05 iG.SwOrD wrote: I got banned for 1 week because i said that the games between NonY-Tarson and Kolll-Fenix sucked but of course when NonY says it nobody gives a fuck.
YOU GUYS SO AWESOME AT TL.NET _____________
lol ya u totally have the same rights as a team liquid member at team liquid dot net
On February 13 2010 09:05 iG.SwOrD wrote: I got banned for 1 week because i said that the games between NonY-Tarson and Kolll-Fenix sucked but of course when NonY says it nobody gives a fuck.
YOU GUYS SO AWESOME AT TL.NET _____________
lol ya u totally have the same rights as a team liquid member at team liquid dot net
Rekrul and Nony about to run a train on IdrA and his fanboys and make BANK. That blog from Rek is the most ballsy thing I've seen in a couple weeks, and I saw Greg Oden's dick recently.. that thing is huge.
On February 14 2010 13:43 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I'm pretty sure IdrA will take this series. All top competitors are extremely confident, that's what it takes to win.
Have you ever listened to or read Nony interviews? He is just as confident that he will win.
On February 14 2010 13:18 Fzero wrote: Rekrul and Nony about to run a train on IdrA and his fanboys and make BANK. That blog from Rek is the most ballsy thing I've seen in a couple weeks, and I saw Greg Oden's dick recently.. that thing is huge.
also i love how the immediate response to idra being kinda bm in interviews about starcraft are insults about how he sux with girls and is a virgin nerd
unbelievable that anyone would be stupid enough to post something like that or to think it even matters
if tossgirl gave birth to a half-caucasian child then I think idra can return from Korea, knowing that he achieved more than a golden mouse. undoubtedly he would be celebrated as the best foreigner ever to go to Korea. and the nerds crying about him sucking with girls/being a virgin would slit their veins
On February 14 2010 13:18 Fzero wrote: Rekrul and Nony about to run a train on IdrA and his fanboys and make BANK. That blog from Rek is the most ballsy thing I've seen in a couple weeks, and I saw Greg Oden's dick recently.. that thing is huge.
On February 14 2010 19:22 Tourist wrote: if tossgirl gave birth to a half-caucasian child then I think idra can return from Korea, knowing that he achieved more than a golden mouse. undoubtedly he would be celebrated as the best foreigner ever to go to Korea. and the nerds crying about him sucking with girls/being a virgin would slit their veins
On February 13 2010 09:05 iG.SwOrD wrote: I got banned for 1 week because i said that the games between NonY-Tarson and Kolll-Fenix sucked but of course when NonY says it nobody gives a fuck.
YOU GUYS SO AWESOME AT TL.NET _____________
lol ya u totally have the same rights as a team liquid member at team liquid dot net
I don't even understand what this post means. I think I'm just going to assume that it doesn't mean anything.
On February 13 2010 09:05 iG.SwOrD wrote: I got banned for 1 week because i said that the games between NonY-Tarson and Kolll-Fenix sucked but of course when NonY says it nobody gives a fuck.
YOU GUYS SO AWESOME AT TL.NET _____________
lol ya u totally have the same rights as a team liquid member at team liquid dot net
I don't even understand what this post means. I think I'm just going to assume that it doesn't mean anything.
ig.sword: nony gets preferential treament over me.
fakesteve: nony gets preferential treatment over you.
On February 14 2010 13:43 SoLaR[i.C] wrote: I'm pretty sure IdrA will take this series. All top competitors are extremely confident, that's what it takes to win.
Have you ever listened to or read Nony interviews? He is just as confident that he will win.
But his interviews distinctly lack the cockiness and indirect insults to other players.
On February 11 2010 03:35 hyperioNsin wrote: But Hellmuth is not the best in his area xD
He's got the most WSOP bracelets out of anyone, which is on the largest stage in the world and against all the best players... so you could easily make the argument that he is (or at least was) the best. The only people who are close are Brunson, Chan and arguably Seidel... The equivalent would be having a slew of OSL/MSL golds. Granted, Hellmuth is whiny & annoying, but he's got the credentials to back it up.
That said, I'm hoping for and expecting a 3-2 match either way. I find that close games are always more entertaining than blowouts. I picked Idra in my Liquibet, at any rate.
Yeah except as has been pointed out by numerous ppl Hellmuth has entered way more WSOP comps each year than others. So that'd be like Nada playing in every comp but iloveoov and Boxer and Kingdom etc etc only playing every third one. So his total number of medals should be compared to how many comps he has entered. Brunson and everyone else you mentioned are way better than Hellmuth. As are plenty of newer players.
Hellmuth is not comparable to Idra in any way. Idra is good and the best in the foreigner scene atm. Hellmuth never was. Hellmuth is more like Leta pwning below S-class players. Except I like Leta and I feel this is pretty hard on him.
edit: if you wanted to talk about a best in the world, particularly in the tournament scene you'd have to go with someone like Ivey. Who has a good number of medals in a short period of time and is highly regarded by everyone else, especially the other good pros. That's sort of like the respect and recognition JD gets.
I think the similarities between Idra and Helmuth end at the fact that they both believe they only lose because their opponent is too dumb to know they weren't supposed to win.
On February 15 2010 00:26 floor exercise wrote: I think the similarities between Idra and Helmuth end at the fact that they both believe they only lose because their opponent is too dumb to know they weren't supposed to win.
agreed. And there's a whiny factor. But I actually like Greg and he's witty. Hellmuth isn't very funny. More sad.
Btw I followed your debate. The other guy was almost incoherent. Clearly it's a looks/cool image thing and not based on any realism. Totally agreed with you about IdrA similarities to NonY. Like you, I don't mind though and think they're both really cool guys.
everyone realizes if idra loses, he will lose his appreciation on his bad talk. I feel it. So lets hope idra wins, and i also hope nony wins even tho im a fan of idra, nony is gonna need it more since hes not in some financially aided team+married. Then again how do i know what his money situation is.
On February 15 2010 01:27 Sc2ggRise wrote: idra is cocky, and nony is ballsy.
put them together, what do you get?
haha nice Rise. Despite my love of Artosis, Tasteless, Day[9] and Chill - you and Cholera remain my favourite commentating duo. So much humour and entertainment. Also psyonic is a great commentator =)
I think Idra is very good, but his overconfidence is in itself a weakness. He's obviously uncomfortable with diverging from his strategy, and his bad manners are a reflection of that. I think Nony can upset Idra here with some Sen like early pressure in each game to ensure that Idra is unable to execute his perfect builds. I say Nony 3-2 , if he can get Idra out of his comfort zone.
to an extent it does, I agree. Semi-spoiler about Mondragon/Fenix game here: + Show Spoiler +
But although I previously said I thought kolll deserved the ro8 place more than Fenix i take that back. Fenix played pretty amazing vs Mondi. So i guess he deserved it.
And if Idra gets outplayed by someone doing something cheesy or weird then... even though IdrA might have the better mechanics it's like the debate about Really when Artosis said he was a great terran. IdrA is probably the more skilled and over time this will show (as it overwhelmingly has in the last year) and the same is true for Really. But the creative player deserves their shorter period in the sun for beating someone cleverly.
On February 15 2010 02:22 pioneer8 wrote: I think Idra is very good, but his overconfidence is in itself a weakness. He's obviously uncomfortable with diverging from his strategy, and his bad manners are a reflection of that. I think Nony can upset Idra here with some Sen like early pressure in each game to ensure that Idra is unable to execute his perfect builds. I say Nony 3-2 , if he can get Idra out of his comfort zone.
GG
Nony has a chance to take this series for sure... but I don't think it's IdrA's overconfidence that's the issue. He's a robot and that has inherent strengths and weaknesses.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Really unnecessary.
Actually to be cocky, and "train" in Korea for almost 2 years, and then lose to someone who wasn't active for a while is /fail. This isn't a game of only mechanics. It is a game of strategy, so rightfully so idra falls, and yes wrong profession and lolz.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Really unnecessary.
Actually to be cocky, and "train" in Korea for almost 2 years, and then lose to someone who wasn't active for a while is /fail. This isn't a game of only mechanics. It is a game of strategy, so rightfully so idra falls, and yes wrong profession and lolz.
IdrA's living his dream and he's a devoted esports athlete. Doesn't sound like wasting time to me.
Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Im very, very happy for NonY, but let´s face it, idrA cancelled his CC by mistake in game 2 after smashing Tyler in game 1. That messed with his head big time, he didn´t play well in the rest of the series imo. In game 5 he almost scout the proxy, missed it cause he passed by the other side of the wall. I´m not sure if he really deserved to loose, and this didn´t show that he is a bad player at all, i think he will keep a winning record against any foreigner. I still need to give HUGE props to NonY for being SUCH A BALLER IN GAME 5, i love him and always will.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
The amount of hatred idra brings out from butt hurt people who don't know him is awe inspiring. Seriously, it's unlikely idra has ever said a single thing to you or anybody you know; yet you're so passionate about hating him. When you have a heart attack at 36, can I have your stuff plz?
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
The amount of hatred idra brings out from butt hurt people who don't know him is awe inspiring. Seriously, it's unlikely idra has ever said a single thing to you or anybody you know; yet you're so passionate about hating him. When you have a heart attack at 36, can I have your stuff plz?
Its an SC page dude. I see no mindless all-caps hate going on, just a negative opinion of an SC player, which is perfectly fine on an SC page imo. Just because Idra is a foreigner doesnt change anything imo. People can bash on failho, mumyung and tons of other pros (who have actually accomplished far more than any foreigner nowadays) but cant bash on Idra or Nony or whatever foreigner when the opportunity arrives?
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
The amount of hatred idra brings out from butt hurt people who don't know him is awe inspiring. Seriously, it's unlikely idra has ever said a single thing to you or anybody you know; yet you're so passionate about hating him. When you have a heart attack at 36, can I have your stuff plz?
Its an SC page dude. I see no mindless all-caps hate going on, just a negative opinion of an SC player, which is perfectly fine on an SC page imo. Just because Idra is a foreigner doesnt change anything imo. People can bash on failho, mumyung and tons of other pros (who have actually accomplished far more than any foreigner nowadays) but cant bash on Idra or Nony or whatever foreigner when the opportunity arrives?
There is a distinct difference between bashing on somebody and their abilities and taking it to another level and being downright hateful towards the progamer on a personal level. It has resulted in numerous bans and doing so only shows misplaced passion.
edit: Just yesterday somebody was flaming ret for his choice to go to Korea and his time spent playing SC. People called him for being stupid and he was banned as well. But, suddenly it's idra and people are quick to look the other way.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
He has obviously improved an incredible amount in SC and anyone denying that just has no clue what they're talking about. Giving him a license isn't doing the heavy lifting for him, the big difficulty lies in getting used to progaming culture and pro team practice schedules. Can you imagine practicing Starcraft day and night while not even being able to talk to anybody on your team? He's also helped loads of people out in the strategy forum with posts much more indepth and high-level about T than any other poster on this site could have provided.
Hate Idra all you want, there's definitely enough material to dislike him, but telling him 'he's fail' after he's just suffered what must've been the most painful SC defeat of his life is just unnecessary.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
He has obviously improved an incredible amount in SC and anyone denying that just has no clue what they're talking about. Giving him a license isn't doing the heavy lifting for him, the big difficulty lies in getting used to progaming culture and pro team practice schedules. Can you imagine practicing Starcraft day and night while not even being able to talk to anybody on your team? He's also helped loads of people out in the strategy forum with posts much more indepth and high-level about T than any other poster on this site could have provided.
Hate Idra all you want, there's definitely enough material to dislike him, but telling him 'he's fail' after he's just suffered what must've been the most painful SC defeat of his life is just unnecessary.
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong since it's not something I read about recently: Idra won the competition to go and play over in Korea. Once getting there Daniel set idra up and then was basically gone. Idra wasn't given a liscene by Lee, but instead won it by winning enough games in some in-house tournament.
Yeah it's spoiler but I think everyone knows by now. + Show Spoiler +
That game 5 strat was pretty amazing. I do want to know if the Koreans ever prepared for a proxy gate against the gas less expand. It would have been interesting to know about Idra's preparation against that.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
Excuse me, but who the fuck are you to tell someone they need to improve their personality? And where exactly is IdrA asking for your respect or support? As far as I can tell, earning the respect of Craton, smug internet know-it-all, is probably pretty far down on IdrA's list of priorities, and rightfully so.
I'd take IdrA over any of you self-righteous vultures any day, acting like assholes while simultaneously deriding IdrA for "bad manners".
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
He has obviously improved an incredible amount in SC and anyone denying that just has no clue what they're talking about. Giving him a license isn't doing the heavy lifting for him, the big difficulty lies in getting used to progaming culture and pro team practice schedules. Can you imagine practicing Starcraft day and night while not even being able to talk to anybody on your team? He's also helped loads of people out in the strategy forum with posts much more indepth and high-level about T than any other poster on this site could have provided.
Hate Idra all you want, there's definitely enough material to dislike him, but telling him 'he's fail' after he's just suffered what must've been the most painful SC defeat of his life is just unnecessary.
Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong since it's not something I read about recently: Idra won the competition to go and play over in Korea. Once getting there Daniel set idra up and then was basically gone. Idra wasn't given a liscene by Lee, but instead won it by winning enough games in some in-house tournament.
Also wondering about this. Wasn't there a thread that disproved the commonly thought "Daniel Lee gave Idra everything" idea? On Idra, ya i'm glad that he lost, but he's about as good for the scene as Nony. Many have already said this, but having someone like him talk SO much trash before/after matches and usually being able to back it up provides excitement for fans and a reason to train even harder for competitors. How much better was that match because of Idra's interview? I know I was really looking forward to it as soon as Idra predicted 3-0, because of the possibility of something like this happening.
I voted for nony...but i cant beilive ppl are accaully saying idra is bad....No game was at mid game idra couldnt show his strength or what hes been really praticing over the years...who the fuck wants to play a mid-late game Game with idra?
what nony did basically is what you do when you don't believe in winning in a normal game. it's perfectly okay and reasonable to do so. his execution was well enough, and alongside the freewin idra granted him, it proved to be enough. i didnt quite like the half-hearted destination proxy, tho. i'm sure there are better cheeses to think of.
On February 15 2010 09:23 Orome wrote: Do you know the guts it takes to actually go to Korea to try to become a progamer and the endurance it takes to stay there for as long as Idra has? This obviously isn't the proudest moment of his career and there's absolutely no need to kick him when he's down. We're the most important non-korean SC community, the least we can do is support him. Him being a cocky nerd at times doesn't change that.
Not that much. Daniel Lee brought him over and did pretty much all the lifting for him, he was given a hand-out pro-licensing instead of having to win courage, and doesn't seem to have spent any effort to improve his personality, let alone advance in SC. He's as big a tool as he's always been, maybe worse.
We're under absolutely no obligation to ever support someone. If you want respect and support, you earn it.
Excuse me, but who the fuck are you to tell someone they need to improve their personality? And where exactly is IdrA asking for your respect or support? As far as I can tell, earning the respect of Craton, smug internet know-it-all, is probably pretty far down on IdrA's list of priorities, and rightfully so.
I'd take IdrA over any of you self-righteous vultures any day, acting like assholes while simultaneously deriding IdrA for "bad manners".
what nony did basically is what you do when you don't believe in winning in a normal game. it's perfectly okay and reasonable to do so. his execution was well enough, and alongside the freewin idra granted him, it proved to be enough. i didnt quite like the half-hearted destination proxy, tho. i'm sure there are better cheeses to think of.
Normal? I feel some people forget this is a RTS game, not a no rush 10 min while I build up. He won with good strategy. I guess it makes people feel better calling it "cheese" because they lose to it, but this is a "strategy" game. Just my .02.
what nony did basically is what you do when you don't believe in winning in a normal game. it's perfectly okay and reasonable to do so. his execution was well enough, and alongside the freewin idra granted him, it proved to be enough. i didnt quite like the half-hearted destination proxy, tho. i'm sure there are better cheeses to think of.
Normal? I feel some people forget this is a RTS game, not a no rush 10 min while I build up. He won with good strategy. I guess it makes people feel better calling it "cheese" because they lose to it, but this is a "strategy" game. Just my .02.
The difference between a real strategy win and cheese is that the latter requires some luck to be successful. Cheese only works if it's not scouted by the opponent. You could argue that game 5 was a strategy win, Nony definitely made it sound like that in his interview, but the rest were definitely cheese.
what nony did basically is what you do when you don't believe in winning in a normal game. it's perfectly okay and reasonable to do so. his execution was well enough, and alongside the freewin idra granted him, it proved to be enough. i didnt quite like the half-hearted destination proxy, tho. i'm sure there are better cheeses to think of.
Idra played very risky, greedy builds. Of course if he'd gotten to the mid game he'd be at an advantage... Not just because that's his supposed strength, but because he was playing greedy. Nony didn't play risky in any of these games really, except MAYBE Destination, but that seemed like just a smart meta-game choice rather than trying to steal a win. He correctly predicted Idra would not wall.
I don't really think NonY was unconfident in his mechanics. He just played against IdrA's weaknesses. NonY's strength is that he prepares really well, not that he's a macro monster. Relying on his micro is fine. I don't care what people think NonY's normal style is. If you listened to the interview you'd know he was planning for mid-game/late game strength in 3 of the maps, and it just didn't make it that far because IdrA messed up in game 2, and was 'unlucky' in game 5 (getting scouted first.
Really, the most telling part of this series is that IdrA thought NonY would be too pussy to do anything aggressive, so he wanted to take advantage. It backfired.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Ouch. Listen, it's a bit easy right now maybe.
Usually I like seing IdrA losing, but this time it just feels bitter. Just think the kid has been spending years of his life being a slave playing this game, and he keeps choking at every big occasion. IdrA is definitly more skilled overall that Kolll or Nony, and he loses 2 Bos in two big occasions.
The point is, I believe Idra is so cocky and so unbearable because he lacks hugely self confidence.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Ouch. Listen, it's a bit easy right now maybe.
Usually I like seing IdrA losing, but this time it just feels bitter. Just think the kid has been spending years of his life being a slave playing this game, and he keeps choking at every big occasion. IdrA is definitly more skilled overall that Kolll or Nony, and he loses 2 Bos in two big occasions.
The point is, I believe Idra is so cocky and so unbearable because he lacks hugely self confidence.
More skilled? I dont know how that goes together with losing to those players, seems we got a bit different definitions of skill...
On February 15 2010 11:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 15 2010 08:32 polarwolf wrote:
On February 10 2010 14:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Ouch. Listen, it's a bit easy right now maybe.
Usually I like seing IdrA losing, but this time it just feels bitter. Just think the kid has been spending years of his life being a slave playing this game, and he keeps choking at every big occasion. IdrA is definitly more skilled overall that Kolll or Nony, and he loses 2 Bos in two big occasions.
The point is, I believe Idra is so cocky and so unbearable because he lacks hugely self confidence.
More skilled? I dont know how that goes together with losing to those players, seems we got a bit different definitions of skill...
do you think shine is more skilled than bisu or even stork?
On February 15 2010 11:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 15 2010 08:32 polarwolf wrote:
On February 10 2010 14:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Ouch. Listen, it's a bit easy right now maybe.
Usually I like seing IdrA losing, but this time it just feels bitter. Just think the kid has been spending years of his life being a slave playing this game, and he keeps choking at every big occasion. IdrA is definitly more skilled overall that Kolll or Nony, and he loses 2 Bos in two big occasions.
The point is, I believe Idra is so cocky and so unbearable because he lacks hugely self confidence.
More skilled? I dont know how that goes together with losing to those players, seems we got a bit different definitions of skill...
Of course he has more skill than any other foreigner. Sure he spends twice as much time practicing wheras he's not twice as good, and he talks bullshit and I hate him and I like the fact that NonY won etc etc.
But at the moment he's the favorite against any foreigner and I would bet a million that out of 1000 games he would win more than 50% against any other foreigner, and whoever wouldn't do the same is insane. Guess that makes him more skilled.
I was extremely disapointed with idra using a 14 cc in the last set. If he's so sure that he's the better player then a 14 cc makes absolutely no sense.
lol at all the Idra fans trying to damage control for him. He'll be able to do that just fine without you all.
Nony hit him with a great strategy and denied him the mid to late game that his is strong point, and forced him to play out of his element. Idra is a player who depends more on his routines than being strong at adapting, and it hurt him.
On February 15 2010 11:48 remembervhs wrote: I was extremely disapointed with idra using a 14 cc in the last set. If he's so sure that he's the better player then a 14 cc makes absolutely no sense.
The games were overall of a very poor quality.
I would say poor in a standard metagame sense, but ripe with irony.
On February 15 2010 13:59 BlackYoshi wrote: lol at all the Idra fans trying to damage control for him. He'll be able to do that just fine without you all.
Nony hit him with a great strategy and denied him the mid to late game that his is strong point, and forced him to play out of his element. Idra is a player who depends more on his routines than being strong at adapting, and it hurt him.
Nothing he shouldn't have prepared for while using this build. It was risky play from nony and he got very lucky imo Scouting idras base off the bat.
On February 15 2010 11:48 remembervhs wrote: I was extremely disapointed with idra using a 14 cc in the last set. If he's so sure that he's the better player then a 14 cc makes absolutely no sense.
The games were overall of a very poor quality.
it wasnt rly a 14 cc...more like a modern version 14/15 cc
On February 15 2010 15:06 Insight wrote: he obviously wasn't as confident as tried to imply, you don't do risky and greedy builds if you genuinely believe you're a better player
calling marine/bunker expo on a 4-player map a "risky and greedy build" is just silly, IdrA's build was safe against most rushes—just not NonY's proxy 3-gate (!!)
On February 15 2010 02:22 pioneer8 wrote: I think Idra is very good, but his overconfidence is in itself a weakness. He's obviously uncomfortable with diverging from his strategy, and his bad manners are a reflection of that. I think Nony can upset Idra here with some Sen like early pressure in each game to ensure that Idra is unable to execute his perfect builds. I say Nony 3-2 , if he can get Idra out of his comfort zone.
GG
Called it exactly
My next prediction for the record is JF vs Mondy TSL Finals.
On February 15 2010 02:22 pioneer8 wrote: I think Idra is very good, but his overconfidence is in itself a weakness. He's obviously uncomfortable with diverging from his strategy, and his bad manners are a reflection of that. I think Nony can upset Idra here with some Sen like early pressure in each game to ensure that Idra is unable to execute his perfect builds. I say Nony 3-2 , if he can get Idra out of his comfort zone.
GG
Called it exactly
My next prediction for the record is JF vs Mondy TSL Finals.
On February 15 2010 13:59 BlackYoshi wrote: lol at all the Idra fans trying to damage control for him. He'll be able to do that just fine without you all.
Nony hit him with a great strategy and denied him the mid to late game that his is strong point, and forced him to play out of his element. Idra is a player who depends more on his routines than being strong at adapting, and it hurt him.
Nothing he shouldn't have prepared for while using this build. It was risky play from nony and he got very lucky imo Scouting idras base off the bat.
What? Nony did that strategy because he scouted, if his scout went to other way, he would have went standard.
Cheesing isn't looked down upon when the favorite player wins! What an elegant strategy you had there!
I'm not defending Idra, though I am a bit disappointed he lost, it's nice to see Nony back in action and it definitely makes me wonder how he'd be doing if he stuck around in Korea. Just thought it funny how different people's viewpoints are based entirely on Idra being known for BM.
Nony said it himself that he wanted to play a standard straight up game for game 5 but when he saw Idra's greedy build he realized there's no way there's anything he can do to stop early goon pressure, and he's had lots of success against that build in practice.
On February 15 2010 17:20 LxRogue wrote: I think the problem is that IdrA lacks confidence. Next time he should predict a 5-0 win.
Being cocky and being confident are radically different things. I would ever say that people who are cocky are usually unconfident.
I think Idra's problem is his lack of confidence, despite all his effort to look very sure of himself. Confident people don't need to trash other people in public. They know that they are very good and that's enough for them.
On February 15 2010 11:48 remembervhs wrote: I was extremely disapointed with idra using a 14 cc in the last set. If he's so sure that he's the better player then a 14 cc makes absolutely no sense.
Idra had the the hate coming. He is trashtalking a lot. He is bashing Europeans totally unprovoked (see interview) and shows some really cocky attitude. I'd be fine if he could back it up with results, but after losing like that he should think about backing off a little bit.
On February 15 2010 17:20 LxRogue wrote: I think the problem is that IdrA lacks confidence. Next time he should predict a 5-0 win.
Being cocky and being confident are radically different things. I would ever say that people who are cocky are usually unconfident.
I think Idra's problem is his lack of confidence, despite all his effort to look very sure of himself. Confident people don't need to trash other people in public. They know that they are very good and that's enough for them.
I agree. I feel a little bad for idra actually...he has a couple people post blogs (including rekrul's extremely confident blog) betting that he is going to lose. He also has this big headline saying "idra predicts 3-0" when he was kind of baited into saying that for hype. Also, he is expected to win this tournament by his peers (in korea).
So there was really a huge amount of pressure on him, and more importantly, a good portion of that pressure was fear of losing rather than desire to win.
Nony on the other hand probably doesn't care about losing as much. He is probably more pressured by the desire to win the prize money for him and his wife.
Perhaps being over-confident in interviews put a little added pressure on him to not mess up/win; I can't imagine Idra cancels his cc on accident too often, if ever. It's too bad he didn't play a little safer so we could see a longer game to get a more accurate depiction of their skill levels, and ofc more epic games.
On February 15 2010 19:51 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On February 15 2010 17:20 LxRogue wrote: I think the problem is that IdrA lacks confidence. Next time he should predict a 5-0 win.
Being cocky and being confident are radically different things. I would ever say that people who are cocky are usually unconfident.
I think Idra's problem is his lack of confidence, despite all his effort to look very sure of himself. Confident people don't need to trash other people in public. They know that they are very good and that's enough for them.
I agree. I feel a little bad for idra actually...he has a couple people post blogs (including rekrul's extremely confident blog) betting that he is going to lose. He also has this big headline saying "idra predicts 3-0" when he was kind of baited into saying that for hype. Also, he is expected to win this tournament by his peers (in korea).
So there was really a huge amount of pressure on him, and more importantly, a good portion of that pressure was fear of losing rather than desire to win.
Nony on the other hand probably doesn't care about losing as much. He is probably more pressured by the desire to win the prize money for him and his wife.
I feel bad for him too, but on the other hand you gotta learn your lesson some time when you talk so much bullshit. In this case the lesson was particularly harsh, but I hope this will change his manners.
PokerStrategy.com TSL: Hypothetically, if Nony wins, what would you say to him?
IdrA[Media]: I don't know, I've never really been a fan of thinking about situations that aren't gonna happen. Seems kinda like a waste of time.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
This is starcraft.You can lose even thought you practiced much harder than your opponents.
He won many tournaments and gained good money.Also his gaming is really improved.
Sometimes you see korean pros lose to foreigners too and you think they wasted their time just beacuse a lose to foreigner, i dont think so. You cant say it s a waste of time because of one loss.
On February 16 2010 02:14 Simple wrote: guys, its part of his gimmick. and it works. it gets people talking, and it works the hype.
Yeah, because Idra lost a whole bunch of people will get into SC, pay Incontrol for lessons, buy TL merchandise and play poker. They hype really is working!
On February 15 2010 21:30 polarwolf wrote: Idra had the the hate coming. He is trashtalking a lot. He is bashing Europeans totally unprovoked (see interview) and shows some really cocky attitude. I'd be fine if he could back it up with results, but after losing like that he should think about backing off a little bit.
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idra did make some money in the past so all the practice in korea was worth it at least a little bit... maybe it is not good for idra to stay there because he is not talented enough for e-sports and will end up being without a job and without anything he could have learned at the age of 30 but that is an issue of the future and idra has to decide himself if a life full of starcraft is worth it
Idra brought a level of quality and even a level of theatricality to the TSL that no other foreigner could have brought. He was the juggernaut, the final boss, the man-to-beat. And he conducted himself just fine, even if his shit-talk hurt your feelings.
This tournament was better for having him in it. The SC:BW scene is better for having him in it. And all you fuckers out there experiencing such glee after his loss need to fuck off and go find another hobby (especially: BiffTheUnderstudy and polarwolf who are both clearly struggling with the strangeness of their own homoerotic ardor towards Idra and need to find a more positive channel for expressing it than this public bathing in the teamliquid tub of Idra-schadenfreude that we've currently go going on here and which doesn't exactly reflect well on our community).
On February 16 2010 04:19 MapleLeafSirup wrote: idra did make some money in the past so all the practice in korea was worth it at least a little bit... maybe it is not good for idra to stay there because he is not talented enough for e-sports and will end up being without a job and without anything he could have learned at the age of 30 but that is an issue of the future and idra has to decide himself if a life full of starcraft is worth it
Let me guess. You're a high school guidance counselor?
Know what is a waste of time? To go to Korea, and to train to play a computer game for like 16 a day game and still be unable to win a foreign tournament. You took the wrong profession, thx, goodbye, i am laughing my ass off.
This is starcraft.You can lose even thought you practiced much harder than your opponents.
He won many tournaments and gained good money.Also his gaming is really improved.
Sometimes you see korean pros lose to foreigners too and you think they wasted their time just beacuse a lose to foreigner, i dont think so. You cant say it s a waste of time because of one loss.
Yeah foreigners do beat pros sometimes but not in a box series. Also this was like inactive oov or nal-ra beating jaedong...something like this shouldn't happen.
I was rooting for NonY to win but all the IdrA bashes need to give it a break. I might not agree with some of the stuff IdrA says but i certainly believe he's a good player and should have the confidence to speak about it. Most of you guys are pretty hard on your comments when i think we all should realize its just a game... (Competitive game).
I am all for the Hero/Villan stuff and it was a great series to watch but lets tone it done a bit eh?
does idra get paid as a pro gamer? i remember reading somewhere that B teamers are basically slaves because they have to play 8+ hours a day only to hope for a chance on the A team
On February 16 2010 04:20 tinman wrote: And all you fuckers out there experiencing such glee after his loss need to fuck off and go find another hobby (especially: BiffTheUnderstudy and polarwolf who are both clearly struggling with the strangeness of their own homoerotic ardor towards Idra and need to find a more positive channel for expressing it than this public bathing in the teamliquid tub of Idra-schadenfreude that we've currently go going on here and which doesn't exactly reflect well on our community).
This is the greatest post I will read this week.
Idra, it was fun watching you play this TSL. Looking forward to more tournaments!
What does someone's personality matter regarding an 'online' game? It doesn't matter when you're dealing with the top gamers. They still produce results. My coach always said, it's not bragging if you can do it. Idra has the ability to do it, so technically, he can say what he wants. If he doesn't do it, big deal. Idra lost to 1 of the 2 people who had any chance to beat him... big deal... Hats off to NonY for the vital win. He was my pick and is my favorite American player.
I love watching all the germans rooting for each other in the TSL and happy when they advanced in the groups. We look at the American fanbase.. yea Had 2 American's in Korea.. Only rooting for one to succeed, hoping the other fails... Foreign SC needs IdrA. Face it, NonY is gone, Assem gone, Rekrul gone, all top Americans are pretty much gone except G5? I'm speaking in terms of people who will actually move SC for Americans, or put us on the map in terms of foreign SC.
I love all these people bashing Idra. So what if he didn't win the TSL? He has many victories in other foreign tournaments. He played his part as the big villain very well, and he was overconfident. But who wouldn't be overconfident? We all know Nony is an excellent player. He just prepared way better than Idra did (plus game 2 happening). I wholeheartedly agree with tinmans' posts lol
On February 16 2010 04:47 johnnyspazz wrote: does idra get paid as a pro gamer? i remember reading somewhere that B teamers are basically slaves because they have to play 8+ hours a day only to hope for a chance on the A team
On February 16 2010 05:50 DanceCommander wrote: I love all these people bashing Idra. So what if he didn't win the TSL? He has many victories in other foreign tournaments. He played his part as the big villain very well, and he was overconfident. But who wouldn't be overconfident? We all know Nony is an excellent player. He just prepared way better than Idra did (plus game 2 happening). I wholeheartedly agree with tinmans' posts lol
They're "bashing" him because he basically guaranteed a dominant victory and lost. The criticism has absolutely nothing to with the mere fact that he lost, it's what he said in the interview. If IdrA was humble or even just moderately proper in the way he acted then no one would have anything negative to say. I actually like competitors in sports who are confident and not timid. There's nothing wrong with talking big, but you have to be able to follow through. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways. If you're going to engage in such talk then you are bound to face harsh mockery when you lose.
That's his problem; he talks like he's Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and plays like a journeyman.
On February 16 2010 05:50 DanceCommander wrote: I love all these people bashing Idra. So what if he didn't win the TSL? He has many victories in other foreign tournaments. He played his part as the big villain very well, and he was overconfident. But who wouldn't be overconfident? We all know Nony is an excellent player. He just prepared way better than Idra did (plus game 2 happening). I wholeheartedly agree with tinmans' posts lol
They're "bashing" him because he basically guaranteed a dominant victory and lost. The criticism has absolutely nothing to with the mere fact that he lost, it's what he said in the interview. If IdrA was humble or even just moderately proper in the way he acted then no one would have anything negative to say. I actually like competitors in sports who are confident and not timid. There's nothing wrong with talking big, but you have to be able to follow through. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways. If you're going to engage in such talk then you are bound to face harsh mockery when you lose.
That's his problem; he talks like he's Floyd Mayweather, Jr. and plays like a journeyman.
The overconfidence everyone objects to Idra isn't really 'alot of confidence' coz if it was honest confidence, it would be likable. Overconfidence here really has a meaning of forced(fake) confident persona that Idra believes he should sport for some reason.
On February 16 2010 05:50 DanceCommander wrote: There's nothing wrong with talking big, but you have to be able to follow through. I'm sorry but you can't have it both ways. If you're going to engage in such talk then you are bound to face harsh mockery when you lose.
On February 16 2010 04:19 MapleLeafSirup wrote: idra did make some money in the past so all the practice in korea was worth it at least a little bit... maybe it is not good for idra to stay there because he is not talented enough for e-sports and will end up being without a job and without anything he could have learned at the age of 30 but that is an issue of the future and idra has to decide himself if a life full of starcraft is worth it
Let me guess. You're a high school guidance counselor?
do you disagree with what i said ? then stop making the worst argument ever and make a real point
To be honest, it's satisfying to see that there is justice in the world, after how cocky Idra came through. Then again, he's known for that and he plays a character well. He probably had his own private thoughts about how this tournament would go through that were much less arrogant than what he said on paper. I still think Idra is a great player and interesting internet personality though. + Show Spoiler +
I wonder what he would do if he lost all his Starcraft skill in a single day though. (And watch, he sucks at SC2)
On February 16 2010 05:50 DanceCommander wrote: I love all these people bashing Idra. So what if he didn't win the TSL? He has many victories in other foreign tournaments. He played his part as the big villain very well, and he was overconfident. But who wouldn't be overconfident? We all know Nony is an excellent player. He just prepared way better than Idra did (plus game 2 happening). I wholeheartedly agree with tinmans' posts lol
funnily enough, he lost against nony not because he was overconfident, but because he wasnt confident enough.
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