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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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wadadde
270 Posts
On December 16 2009 10:05 StorrZerg wrote: drat one more d/q woulda got lz in TT A player could still die between now and the start of the tournament *winkwink*. That would allow Lz to slide in ... or we could ask baby jesus to perform a miracle *winkwink  * | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 16 2009 08:57 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: wow incontrol. because may ppl abused we guess dreiven abused to, what kinda fucked up logic is that? dreivens PvZ is pretty good so it might be not that stupid to try a rnd vs him. especially because you aint got much to lose and a friend of yours is winning. this is not abuse even is the circumstances are good for both players. If 2 player go like 3:3 in below A- they both profit but do you check all those ecounters? THe "history" I was talking about was nationalistic abuse. Also the abuse in TSL2 doesn't help but create an atmosphere of "anything is possible." No, obviously because of all the abuse that doesn't mean Dreiven did as well. Is it even worth my time to respond to you or do you just look for the worst possible interpretation then move on? also On December 16 2009 08:57 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: dreivens PvZ is pretty good so it might be not that stupid to try a rnd vs him. especially because youaint got much to lose and a friend of yours is winning. this is not abuse even is the circumstances are good for both players. IS abuse. Sorry, playing an offrace or random vs your friend who needs to win to qualify and magically losing 0-3 IS abuse. If you didn't know this you aren't an active part of the competitive scene or you are just blaringly stupid. | ||
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BookTwo
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KwarK
United States44386 Posts
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Jaksiel
United States4130 Posts
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Lesotho777 Posts
On December 16 2009 10:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote: IS abuse. Sorry, playing an offrace or random vs your friend who needs to win to qualify and magically losing 0-3 IS abuse. If you didn't know this you aren't an active part of the competitive scene or you are just blaringly stupid. "yes it is wise master, I will never ever question your wisdom again" | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On December 16 2009 10:51 Jaksiel wrote: I'm somewhat disappointed Mamon just missed out after playing all those games. I thought he would sneak in with this final round of DQs, but the 97 point penalty killed him. Yes I agree with that. I feel the same way about LZGamer. Those two guys put in alot of effort, and it would be nice to see them in, especially since they ended up so close. Maybe they can be "substitutes" if someone somehow forfeits/are unable to play  | ||
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dranjam
Poland198 Posts
On December 16 2009 10:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Sorry, playing an offrace or random vs your friend who needs to win to qualify and magically losing 0-3 IS abuse. Playing offrace or random isn't abuse. Playing against friend isn't abuse. Dreiven didn't need to win to qualify. Those wins weren't so magical, just look at Zazu win ratio, I think he is only player in top200 under 50%. I am just pointing out your logic is flawed, decision to penalize Dreiven is based on suspicion, and made as a matter of preventing possible abuse, rather than solid and undisputable facts as you are trying to express. I am not saying this way or the other, because making judgements in a situation where you have absolutely no proof is a mark of being silly. re Mamon and LZ. Maybe if they get better next season they can sneak in. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
The deduction was only based on suspicion. There are no rules concerning nationality, friends, or offracing in the ladder. Players are allowed by the rules to have a 3 win differential against anyone. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 16 2009 11:49 dranjam wrote: Playing offrace or random isn't abuse. Playing against friend isn't abuse. Dreiven didn't need to win to qualify. Those wins weren't so magical, just look at Zazu win ratio, I think he is only player in top200 under 50%. I am just pointing out your logic is flawed, decision to penalize Dreiven is based on suspicion, and made as a matter of preventing possible abuse, rather than solid and undisputable facts as you are trying to express. I am not saying this way or the other, because making judgements in a situation where you have absolutely no proof is a mark of being silly. re Mamon and LZ. Maybe if they get better next season they can sneak in. YOu are absolutely right. Offracing isn't abuse. Playing a friend isn't abuse. Friend who can qualify winning isn't abuse. Zuzu losing games isn't surprising. Combine ALL those things and the abuse STILL isn't inherent. Bravo, you pointed out what was already stated from the beginning. However, the suspicion was high enough to warrant a point deduction. Was he banned? Was he penalized further? Warned even? Nope. But he had suspicious games removed because ALL those factors together make for a shady situation. Can they ALL be explained? Certainly. But it can also be argued that they are explained the other way. Nice try though.. I appreciate you breaking down my argument and pulling it apart out of context. | ||
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win8282
Korea (South)454 Posts
Anyways, I have huge respect for the TSL admins. I can barely imagine all the hard work they had to put in to analyze every top player's matchlist and even having to go over reps to determine ladder abuse. | ||
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Weaponx3
Canada232 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
It just doesn't make sense to argue someone who's defending the admins decisions when those same decisions were (sorta) detrimental to him as well. Just get over it he played with a friend who lost 3-0. "Okay" Zazu just wanted to play his friend who was three ranks higher and lose every time because he off-raced, I'm sure things just "turned out" that way. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 16 2009 12:28 win8282 wrote: incontrol you sound like a bitch... dreiven was deemed not to have abused under current TSL rules. Why keep the whining? I hope you're not suggesting TSL admins were soft on dreiven... (sorry inc. I have lotsa respect for you and I know you as a TSL contender may feel strongly about abusers, but you have to try see things impartially man...) Anyways, I have huge respect for the TSL admins. I can barely imagine all the hard work they had to put in to analyze every top player's matchlist and even having to go over reps to determine ladder abuse. Whining? What the FUCK am I whining about? I am arguing on behalf of a decision the admins made.. do you even fucking know the words you say, and what they mean? HE IS WHINING not ME. Holy shit dude.. my head will explode with some of this crap.. jesus. | ||
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TT1
Canada10095 Posts
and yea incs analysis on zuzu seems right | ||
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Mamon
Russian Federation6 Posts
On the other hand a day before ладдера on December, 11th I was in such situation with 9800 pts and have decided to play too against B ранк, I have lost 3-0, but could and выйграть, then me too ban? | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On December 16 2009 12:39 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Whining? What the FUCK am I whining about? I am arguing on behalf of a decision the admins made.. do you even fucking know the words you say, and what they mean? HE IS WHINING not ME. Holy shit dude.. my head will explode with some of this crap.. jesus. hey want a hug incontrol? dealing with silly people is just the worst | ||
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