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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 11:30:08
December 16 2009 10:16 GMT
#141
editted out for butthurt.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
December 16 2009 10:17 GMT
#142
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 16 2009 14:13 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Posted this in the other thread, but can't hurt here too:


[image loading] Poland - 7
[image loading] USA - 6
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[image loading] Canada - 4
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[image loading] Ukraine - 3
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[image loading] Peru - 2
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Wow, seriously - NO one from the UK?
Really sorry the DQs messed everything up for Kwark, would have loved to see you in there.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
December 16 2009 10:20 GMT
#143
On December 16 2009 14:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 07:22 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


I am totally with you. wtf is up here, "against the spirit of TSL". WTF.

how can this gay ass dodging be the spirit of TSL?

how can it be that some players get low punishment for violating the rules (only the points taken away). this is a disgrace to all the players trying hard to get into the top 48 and running against that wall just like the other abuse.

im especially disappointet of incontrol. this dude hangs arround here and cant even follow the very simple rules. "oh I forgot, didn't count" or such a lame excuse is low in my opinion if you are playing the final stage of a 3 weeks ladder.

A completely misinformed and bad-mannered attack on Incontrol, and he's not justified in a somewhat aggressive response?


oh, in what way is it COMPLETLY misinformed? in what way is it bad mannered? get some brain then post again!
small dicks have great firepower
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 11:30:17
December 16 2009 10:34 GMT
#144
As for the point adjustments for exceeding the 3-win limit: did the losers get their points back at the same time? (Kr and Sziky being in top48, it surely matters.)

On December 16 2009 19:16 Kennigit wrote:
editted out for butthurt..

as much as you (TSL staff) like emphasising you dont make any decision based on nationality, i think this post is rather offensive. (I'm not saying you should agree with the guy, just dont post this as if it was your reason for disagreeing or just proving his point is wrong.)
BW fighting!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 16 2009 10:38 GMT
#145
On December 16 2009 19:20 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 14:05 TheYango wrote:
On December 16 2009 07:22 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


I am totally with you. wtf is up here, "against the spirit of TSL". WTF.

how can this gay ass dodging be the spirit of TSL?

how can it be that some players get low punishment for violating the rules (only the points taken away). this is a disgrace to all the players trying hard to get into the top 48 and running against that wall just like the other abuse.

im especially disappointet of incontrol. this dude hangs arround here and cant even follow the very simple rules. "oh I forgot, didn't count" or such a lame excuse is low in my opinion if you are playing the final stage of a 3 weeks ladder.

A completely misinformed and bad-mannered attack on Incontrol, and he's not justified in a somewhat aggressive response?


oh, in what way is it COMPLETLY misinformed? in what way is it bad mannered? get some brain then post again!


Misinformed because I had addressed the issue several times and you hadn't informed yourself on the whole issue. I had in fact read the rules. It wasn't a reading issue.

And it was bad mannered to go on and on about something that was already covered especially when you do it in a really negative way that is off-base as well. Also it is ironic for you to get pissy about someone saying you are lacking manner then you tell em to "get a brain" lol
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 11:43:17
December 16 2009 10:48 GMT
#146
On December 16 2009 19:34 538 wrote:
As for the point adjustments for exceeding the 3-win limit: did the losers get their points back at the same time? (Kr and Sziky being in top48, it surely matters.)

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 19:16 Kennigit wrote:
edited out for butthurt

as much as you (TSL staff) like emphasising you dont make any decision based on nationality, i think this post is rather offensive. (I'm not saying you should agree with the guy, just dont post this as if it was your reason for disagreeing or just proving his point is wrong.)

puh lease
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Trias
Profile Joined November 2007
Netherlands53 Posts
December 16 2009 11:06 GMT
#147
On December 16 2009 19:34 538 wrote:
As for the point adjustments for exceeding the 3-win limit: did the losers get their points back at the same time? (Kr and Sziky being in top48, it surely matters.)

Of course not. They where breaking the rules as well by playing that last game. They got no penalty because they did not benefit from it (losing the points is punishment enough), but they should definitely not get the points back.

That being said, I'm surprised that there were no cases found of continued play after the difference was 3 games and the other player won (reducing the difference). Those games would be illegal as well, and the points gained from them deducted.
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 11:30:25
December 16 2009 11:09 GMT
#148
On December 16 2009 19:16 Kennigit wrote:
editted out for butthurt..


Oh wow.


It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 16 2009 11:19 GMT
#149
On December 16 2009 13:05 Mamon wrote:
I would rise aside Dreiven'a in this situation as, there it is visible in a match sheet that Zazu, began to play before still for a long time protoss and terran because had not time to make the way in top, therefore here does not cause suspicion even these games.
On the other hand a day before ladder on December, 11th I was in such situation with 9800 pts and have decided to play too against B rank, I have lost 3-0(vs Whistler), but could and win, then me too ban?


I have no clue wtf you just said, but grats on playing all those ladder games!!!
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
kuku8
Profile Joined December 2009
Afghanistan6 Posts
December 16 2009 11:20 GMT
#150
On December 16 2009 19:00 mzgk wrote:
seriously, what does it mean? @The TSL does not tolerate players who abuse or players that help others abuse.@? who is @The TSL@ btw? a couple of americans with overconfident world-justice-view? take off masks-)
how the fuck u can be assured that IP address of person who has helped to abuse is 100% of certain player? not his roommate,neighbour in the same house or even district with the same external IP? There is a possibility when hundreds of people have one unique fucking IP address, isn't there??? sure, in usa every single user has got static IP, so u can be definitely right when ban americans^^
did you check who was helping in getting freewins for Yosh, or others? why are only russians and ukrainians get involved in it?
i think all rest of ukrainians must boycott this circus!

PS Does PokerStrategy.com-staff approve your decisions?



Also i think it was Advokate's girlsfriend playing against Pomi's mother. They just wanted to fun game
kuku8
Profile Joined December 2009
Afghanistan6 Posts
December 16 2009 11:24 GMT
#151
When it was huge maphack catching, many players also said some funny things. Localhost just "played with maphack training games to know timing", Hayder "just forgot to turn it off", i don't remember other words. Usually the truth is much more prosaic.
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 11:34:11
December 16 2009 11:28 GMT
#152
On December 16 2009 19:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 19:20 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 14:05 TheYango wrote:
On December 16 2009 07:22 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


I am totally with you. wtf is up here, "against the spirit of TSL". WTF.

how can this gay ass dodging be the spirit of TSL?

how can it be that some players get low punishment for violating the rules (only the points taken away). this is a disgrace to all the players trying hard to get into the top 48 and running against that wall just like the other abuse.

im especially disappointet of incontrol. this dude hangs arround here and cant even follow the very simple rules. "oh I forgot, didn't count" or such a lame excuse is low in my opinion if you are playing the final stage of a 3 weeks ladder.

A completely misinformed and bad-mannered attack on Incontrol, and he's not justified in a somewhat aggressive response?


oh, in what way is it COMPLETLY misinformed? in what way is it bad mannered? get some brain then post again!


Misinformed because I had addressed the issue several times and you hadn't informed yourself on the whole issue. I had in fact read the rules. It wasn't a reading issue.

And it was bad mannered to go on and on about something that was already covered especially when you do it in a really negative way that is off-base as well. Also it is ironic for you to get pissy about someone saying you are lacking manner then you tell em to "get a brain" lol


Oh, when did I say that you didn't address the issue? When did I ever say it was a reading issue? I said it's a lame "excuse" that you "accidentally" broke that rule.

I went on and on on what? Your case? Don't give me shit, I was expressing my disappointment about you in my first post and never brought it up again! His post was about me addressing your case all my main line was about Dreiven vs ZaZu you're really confusing stuff here.

I'm not pissed about someone telling me im bad mannered. I know my personality very well and I know it doesn't suit many ppl. He said my "attack" (wasn't even an attack) was bad mannered and I'm COMPLETLY uninformed, thats simply not true. I was simply returning the shit he gave me. Maybe you have no reading problem but a comprehension problem?

you have a really bitchy way to communicate I really dislike. You pull stuff into ridicule by adding lol as a postfix to your posts. This is a belitteling of the case and you know that very well. À la "ye it happened, but common lets all just laugh about it". thats actually why I didn't wanted to argue with you.

P.S. you can send me a PM if you wanna talk about me, dont need to do it here.




On December 16 2009 20:24 kuku8 wrote:
When it was huge maphack catching, many players also said some funny things. Localhost just "played with maphack training games to know timing", Hayder "just forgot to turn it off", i don't remember other words. Usually the truth is much more prosaic.

Hayder used it as ObsMode as there weren't any ObsMode plugins arround at that time. I did that too and so did others who are not to stupid to use an evil tool in a good way.
small dicks have great firepower
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
December 16 2009 11:31 GMT
#153
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 16 2009 11:34 GMT
#154
No one should state he's certain that giving dreiven a penalty was the right thing to do..
But then again I dont get how u can argue about the case. Dreiven made it through anyway and should he have not qualified for top 48 because of -Points for those games a discussion makes sense but as it stands - its just not that important, isnt it ?


I guess it was partly right and partly unjustified decision..
hatred outlives the hateful
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
December 16 2009 11:50 GMT
#155
great work by the admins! how many of them were checking these replays?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 16 2009 12:00 GMT
#156
It's just so hard to tell whether a game is actually thrown or not, the best you can do is look for suspicious circumstances, and thats exactly what they did here. I would probably bet that Drieven didn't abuse and they were actually legit games, but just really suspicious. Enough so that taking no action would make me uneasy. It doesn't really change anything, and probably won't affect anything about the tournament, but it sends a message for the next TSL that basically means a zero-tolerance abuse policy.
RisbonArms
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)17 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:25:51
December 16 2009 12:19 GMT
#157
On December 16 2009 19:00 mzgk wrote:
seriously, what does it mean? @The TSL does not tolerate players who abuse or players that help others abuse.@? who is @The TSL@ btw? a couple of americans with overconfident world-justice-view? take off masks-)
how the fuck u can be assured that IP address of person who has helped to abuse is 100% of certain player? not his roommate,neighbour in the same house or even district with the same external IP? There is a possibility when hundreds of people have one unique fucking IP address, isn't there??? sure, in usa every single user has got static IP, so u can be definitely right when ban americans^^
did you check who was helping in getting freewins for Yosh, or others? why are only russians and ukrainians get involved in it?
i think all rest of ukrainians must boycott this circus!

PS Does PokerStrategy.com-staff approve your decisions?

Hey, i found another player that has had points deducted from his rep and has many abuse and cheating allegations - you should definitely focus your attention on him.

[image loading][image loading]TSL-VicYush
Say it like you mean it ;)
Vo-one
Profile Joined June 2003
Ukraine456 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-16 12:34:29
December 16 2009 12:33 GMT
#158
ROFL

Why do you hate Protoss so much?
Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
December 16 2009 13:08 GMT
#159
On December 16 2009 20:28 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 19:38 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
On December 16 2009 19:20 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 14:05 TheYango wrote:
On December 16 2009 07:22 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


I am totally with you. wtf is up here, "against the spirit of TSL". WTF.

how can this gay ass dodging be the spirit of TSL?

how can it be that some players get low punishment for violating the rules (only the points taken away). this is a disgrace to all the players trying hard to get into the top 48 and running against that wall just like the other abuse.

im especially disappointet of incontrol. this dude hangs arround here and cant even follow the very simple rules. "oh I forgot, didn't count" or such a lame excuse is low in my opinion if you are playing the final stage of a 3 weeks ladder.

A completely misinformed and bad-mannered attack on Incontrol, and he's not justified in a somewhat aggressive response?


oh, in what way is it COMPLETLY misinformed? in what way is it bad mannered? get some brain then post again!


Misinformed because I had addressed the issue several times and you hadn't informed yourself on the whole issue. I had in fact read the rules. It wasn't a reading issue.

And it was bad mannered to go on and on about something that was already covered especially when you do it in a really negative way that is off-base as well. Also it is ironic for you to get pissy about someone saying you are lacking manner then you tell em to "get a brain" lol


Oh, when did I say that you didn't address the issue? When did I ever say it was a reading issue? I said it's a lame "excuse" that you "accidentally" broke that rule.

I went on and on on what? Your case? Don't give me shit, I was expressing my disappointment about you in my first post and never brought it up again! His post was about me addressing your case all my main line was about Dreiven vs ZaZu you're really confusing stuff here.

I'm not pissed about someone telling me im bad mannered. I know my personality very well and I know it doesn't suit many ppl. He said my "attack" (wasn't even an attack) was bad mannered and I'm COMPLETLY uninformed, thats simply not true. I was simply returning the shit he gave me. Maybe you have no reading problem but a comprehension problem?

you have a really bitchy way to communicate I really dislike. You pull stuff into ridicule by adding lol as a postfix to your posts. This is a belitteling of the case and you know that very well. À la "ye it happened, but common lets all just laugh about it". thats actually why I didn't wanted to argue with you.

P.S. you can send me a PM if you wanna talk about me, dont need to do it here.




Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 20:24 kuku8 wrote:
When it was huge maphack catching, many players also said some funny things. Localhost just "played with maphack training games to know timing", Hayder "just forgot to turn it off", i don't remember other words. Usually the truth is much more prosaic.

Hayder used it as ObsMode as there weren't any ObsMode plugins arround at that time. I did that too and so did others who are not to stupid to use an evil tool in a good way.



Or you could have put your wall of text in a PM and then not have to tell inc to do it with his response?

lol.
you are one of the least benigtedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting.
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
December 16 2009 14:53 GMT
#160
On December 16 2009 19:16 Kennigit wrote:
editted out for butthurt.


USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST.
Get your 4chan garbage out of here.

+ Show Spoiler +
Someone probably would've done it anyway, eventually...


Anyways, great show admins, good luck with TSL! Hopefully things will go smoothly.
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