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mtmf
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Brazil420 Posts
December 15 2009 22:39 GMT
#61
On December 16 2009 07:16 pettter wrote:
The qualifier groups and final standings are up, Dreiven is still in.

And he avoided White-Ra's group with the loss of that 195 points...
(–_–)
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 15 2009 22:41 GMT
#62
I'm so glad Datoby and Naugrim qualified, but too bad Naugrim has to play a ZvZ vs kolll right from the start
We make signature, then defense it.
CoL_Drake
Profile Joined March 2005
Germany455 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 22:53:59
December 15 2009 22:53 GMT
#63
dreiven be quiet and happy ^^ perhaps other groups harder
groro
Profile Joined March 2009
67 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 23:14:30
December 15 2009 22:56 GMT
#64
some sound like drama queens here that want to criticize for the sake of criticizing. both is possible in this situation where dreiven played vs zazu.. that it was freewins or legitimate games.. that one intended it or both.. they watched the replays and looked at the background and decided this way.

there is no perfect law or holy decisions.. all is individual and when they would always decide in the other way around then in the next tournament everybody could start intentionally something like this.

but the point is in dreivens case it doesnt even make a difference for him. so calm down.. the only useful post in this matter is imo the one from dreiven himself.

all in all i am happy with all the good work the tl staff did so far and with the decisions they made.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
December 15 2009 23:02 GMT
#65
Haha yes Dreiven fucking got in! YESSSS
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 15 2009 23:02 GMT
#66
So far I've been very impressed with the anti-cheating measurements this TSL. I hope they are even better next TSL.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 15 2009 23:02 GMT
#67
On December 16 2009 07:22 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


I am totally with you. wtf is up here, "against the spirit of TSL". WTF.

how can this gay ass dodging be the spirit of TSL?

how can it be that some players get low punishment for violating the rules (only the points taken away). this is a disgrace to all the players trying hard to get into the top 48 and running against that wall just like the other abuse.

im especially disappointet of incontrol. this dude hangs arround here and cant even follow the very simple rules. "oh I forgot, didn't count" or such a lame excuse is low in my opinion if you are playing the final stage of a 3 weeks ladder.


I did read the rules as I said many times in some of the threads here I was "hanging around" in.

Thanks.

I accidentally broke them at 3:44am the night they took effect.. I was penalized and I didn't fight it or anything. SORRY IT HAPPENED BRAH lol
tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 15 2009 23:17 GMT
#68
panties around here need to be unwadded.

iNcontroL is fine. It was a minor infraction and it was admitted immediately. Dreiven seems fine, too. Was just a misunderstanding. The tourney admins are ALSO fine. They're just trying to run a clean competition.

Beers and hugs all around. We're in for a good show here.
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
December 15 2009 23:21 GMT
#69
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


Being Polish has nothing to do with it. The fact that you think this is based on nationality is offensive.
ModeratorGodfather
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5654 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 23:27:51
December 15 2009 23:24 GMT
#70
I have to disagree with the Dreiven decision to a degree. I mean, it's all fair and square, but have the TL staff inspected any other such matches? Or just Dreiven vs. Zazu because they're both from the same country? ^______^;;

Good job btw! I like the graphics, lol ;p (homepage post).

On December 16 2009 08:21 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


Being Polish has nothing to do with it. The fact that you think this is based on nationality is offensive.


He meant their both being from the same country, not Poland specifically. He's not suspecting you of being chauvinistic, but of potentially not inspecting other suspicious games because they weren't standing out as much.
tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 15 2009 23:27 GMT
#71
On December 16 2009 08:21 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


Being Polish has nothing to do with it. The fact that you think this is based on nationality is offensive.


Ummmm... Mani?


The following game series were determined to be "suspicious" due to their timing, score, and player nationalities.

1. tsl-marw > TSL-HappyZerg, 3-0
2. TSL-Kolll > SD_DS, 3-0
3. TSL-Dreiven > TSL-Zazu(GN), 3-0


Read the OP, buddy.
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 23:29:23
December 15 2009 23:28 GMT
#72
On December 16 2009 08:21 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 06:44 Dreiven wrote:
he was playing random vs me +_+.. the games were real and knowing that zazu plays a lot of all-ins and cheeses I was prepared for it. TL should look at replays 2nd time and see that there was nothing suspicious about it ^^ If we both weren't from poland this probably wouldn't be considered.


Being Polish has nothing to do with it. The fact that you think this is based on nationality is offensive.


uhh did you read the OP? it even says it's partially based on nationalities.....
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
December 15 2009 23:29 GMT
#73
Well that sucks.
ModeratorGodfather
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
December 15 2009 23:30 GMT
#74
" In addition, TSL-JuanJo_O sent only twelve replays in his replay pack out of 242 TSL ladder games, claiming his other 230 replays did not save because his "autoreplay did not work"."

lololol
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
tinman
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States287 Posts
December 15 2009 23:31 GMT
#75
On December 16 2009 08:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
Well that sucks.


Manifesto, you rock.
"Politics is an extravagance, an extravagance about grievances. And poetry is an extravagance about grief. And grievances are something that can be remedied, and griefs are irremediable."
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5654 Posts
December 15 2009 23:34 GMT
#76
On December 16 2009 08:29 Manifesto7 wrote:
Well that sucks.


Big time! ;p

Well, I'm glad he qualified. TL stff are doing a great job with everything. Let this be the greatest foreign SC event! ^___^
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 15 2009 23:35 GMT
#77
sorry guys but thinking nationalities has nothing to do with it is retarded.. and "getting offended" is crap utopian logic that doesn't apply. People have time in and time again proven that being countrymen DOES lend towards bias and eventual "help" or in this case abuse. I am friends with Dreiven and I love the guy but don't tell me that RIGHT before the season ends zazu plays random (he mostly ZvP's) vs his countrymen and loses 3-0 and he was trying as hard as he could to win.

It was the same crap with kwark and it was what lead to him being asked to NOT do that with his clanmates. If I needed wins and I suddenly 3-0'd EG.Louder a guy who wasn't going to qualify we'd all be saying the same thing... he PROBABLY wouldn't try his hardest to just crush me out of it.

Maybe they were legit games? Maybe not.. the admins had to make a gut call on this and I think given history (and the amount of abuse TSL2 has shown to inspire) we can go ahead and say that this was fine. Dreiven is still in the league, zazu is still not, but at the end of the day the draw is as pure as the admins THINK it should be.
Crt
Profile Joined November 2009
247 Posts
December 15 2009 23:38 GMT
#78
Kolll was actually 4:2 against Sziky

And the decision to take points off Dreiven. You deducted pts for something Dreiven did not do and wasn't aware. If you're against playing offrace, then DQ Zazu(GN). This has nothing to do with Dreiven. Though the pts difference won't change the group Dreiven is in, it's a pretty stupid/unfair/inappropriate/poor-decision making skill on whoever thought that was reasonable.
WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
December 15 2009 23:57 GMT
#79
wow incontrol. because may ppl abused we guess dreiven abused to, what kinda fucked up logic is that?

dreivens PvZ is pretty good so it might be not that stupid to try a rnd vs him. especially because you aint got much to lose and a friend of yours is winning. this is not abuse even is the circumstances are good for both players.

If 2 player go like 3:3 in below A- they both profit but do you check all those ecounters?
small dicks have great firepower
Mamon
Profile Joined December 2009
Russian Federation6 Posts
December 15 2009 23:58 GMT
#80
I wish to express bewilderment why me have punished on 97 pts when I played with it in different days, I am ready to argue that many too have games in different days where someone wins them with the account more than 3-0
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