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Gaspadin
Profile Joined November 2008
Russian Federation132 Posts
December 15 2009 20:44 GMT
#21
1. tsl-marw > TSL-HappyZerg, 3-0
2. TSL-Kolll > SD_DS, 3-0
3. TSL-Dreiven > TSL-Zazu(GN), 3-0

Our staff analyzed the replays and circumstnaces, and have determined that series #1 and series #2 were legitimately played, but series #3 went against the spirit of TSL competition because TSL-Zazu(GN) played with his offrace. Therefore, the three games from series #3 will be removed, penalizing TSL-Dreiven -195 points.


whats with koll and marv, are they gonna penalized too for the games or is it not sure?
got me? guess not
John49ers
Profile Joined May 2009
United States237 Posts
December 15 2009 20:45 GMT
#22
On December 16 2009 05:40 AstraBoy wrote:
good
and you can also check this : http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290755/1x1.html

castro vs achi_juachi, in the last minutes of tsl ladder xd


uh oh. Well I hope Lz makes it. TSL staff has been awesome.
“The beauty of Bill's system was that there was always a place to go with the ball, ... I was the mailman, just delivering people's mail, and there were all kinds of houses to go to.”-Joe Montana
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 21:10:02
December 15 2009 20:46 GMT
#23
No actions against Castros non TSL account play vs TSL account players (happened after castro already played TSL games)? Namely castro vs Kr.

So this means you can play TSL3 (if happens) games with your other known iccup account against TSL players while already played TSL ladder games?

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Unless [pan]castro account isn't castros...


KleinerRiese
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany18 Posts
December 15 2009 20:46 GMT
#24
Thanks to the TSL Staff. That was for sure a huge amount of work to do. Some tough decisions may be included as well.

Great appreciation to the players who tried to achieve the goal without cheating/abusing even if they didn't make it eventually.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 15 2009 20:48 GMT
#25
On December 16 2009 05:44 Gaspadin wrote:
Show nested quote +
1. tsl-marw > TSL-HappyZerg, 3-0
2. TSL-Kolll > SD_DS, 3-0
3. TSL-Dreiven > TSL-Zazu(GN), 3-0

Our staff analyzed the replays and circumstnaces, and have determined that series #1 and series #2 were legitimately played, but series #3 went against the spirit of TSL competition because TSL-Zazu(GN) played with his offrace. Therefore, the three games from series #3 will be removed, penalizing TSL-Dreiven -195 points.


whats with koll and marv, are they gonna penalized too for the games or is it not sure?


no penalisation.
I am not good with quotes
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 15 2009 20:48 GMT
#26
ive lost my respect for rox clan, used to be my favorite top clan (
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 15 2009 20:53 GMT
#27
On December 16 2009 05:39 2longbe4 wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong but subtracting 195 points from Dreiven means hes out of top 48?


Keep in mind that there's a lot of abusers above Dreiven which means that the cutoff won't be as high anymore.
We make signature, then defense it.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
December 15 2009 20:58 GMT
#28
i love you R1ch
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-15 21:02:27
December 15 2009 21:01 GMT
#29
Seriously what the fuck is this shit? How did any of those guys actually expect to get away without being caught? I mean I guess I can sort of (but not really at all) understand the motives... but I don't think I'd have the balls to go through with it. These guys are well known enough to know that their games are going to be scrutinized by some of the best event organizers in the community, so why even try it? It's not like they aren't good enough to qualify legitimately.

I'll never understand the stupidity of these kids.

edit: I'm talking about ALL of the DQs lately, and not the players who had some points taken away.
Chains none
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3420 Posts
December 15 2009 21:05 GMT
#30
Zazu offraced throughout the whole tournament...
pettter
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1032 Posts
December 15 2009 21:06 GMT
#31
On December 16 2009 05:53 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 05:39 2longbe4 wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong but subtracting 195 points from Dreiven means hes out of top 48?


Keep in mind that there's a lot of abusers above Dreiven which means that the cutoff won't be as high anymore.

If my count is correct, the deduction will place Dreiven at 9556, that is just before datoby in the standings. The amount of DQ's should just about allow these two to make top 48 at places 46 and 47. , with the cutoff landing at around 9400.

This is just a tentative calculation, mind you, and I haven't taken any other point deductions except Dreivens (only DQ's).


In keeping with the topic: Great job by the staff, and props to all who made the ladder without resorting to cheating. Cheaters, lrn2honour.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 15 2009 21:07 GMT
#32
On December 16 2009 05:39 2longbe4 wrote:
Correct me if Im wrong but subtracting 195 points from Dreiven means hes out of top 48?


If I had to guess he would still be in. -195 puts him around 9550, which should be enough to qualify once all the DQs are removed.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 15 2009 21:08 GMT
#33
On December 16 2009 05:46 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
No actions againts Castros non TSL account play vs TSL account players (happened after castro already played TSL games)? Namely castro vs Kr.

So this means you can play TSL3 (if happens) games with your other known iccup account against TSL players while already played TSL ladder games?

On December 16 2009 05:45 John49ers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 05:40 AstraBoy wrote:
good
and you can also check this : http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290755/1x1.html

castro vs achi_juachi, in the last minutes of tsl ladder xd


uh oh. Well I hope Lz makes it. TSL staff has been awesome.

Didn't they say the 1st thing was a misunderstanding? and you would think that they looked into those games as well esp. considering all of the abuse they have tracked down.
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
December 15 2009 21:11 GMT
#34
Dimaga did it hardcore... so sad, too bad for TSL
Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
purgerinho
Profile Joined June 2008
Croatia919 Posts
December 15 2009 21:12 GMT
#35
not fair to dreiven!!!!!!!! i can't belive it... so many players played offrace.. what dreiven got to do with it?! he is punished for something he didn't do.. it's suspicion and coz of it you stole his points. LOL!

if he cheated then DQ him, if you have no proof then you can't deduct those points... or you can just (and just) coz you can... really not fair.. this reminds me on croatian justice... we think that you are guilty but we can't prove it.. well, no matter, we will punish you with half of punishment, just to be sure
SUMMARIZED (by DeMu): You CANNOT surprise a top level Protoss with a build
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
December 15 2009 21:19 GMT
#36
On December 16 2009 06:08 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 05:46 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
No actions againts Castros non TSL account play vs TSL account players (happened after castro already played TSL games)? Namely castro vs Kr.

So this means you can play TSL3 (if happens) games with your other known iccup account against TSL players while already played TSL ladder games?

Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 05:45 John49ers wrote:
On December 16 2009 05:40 AstraBoy wrote:
good
and you can also check this : http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290755/1x1.html

castro vs achi_juachi, in the last minutes of tsl ladder xd


uh oh. Well I hope Lz makes it. TSL staff has been awesome.

Didn't they say the 1st thing was a misunderstanding? and you would think that they looked into those games as well esp. considering all of the abuse they have tracked down.


For example, If you would be that player who is 30 points away from (or 1 win away) qualifying round 1 qualifier (or first player to not qualify). Now would you accept this "misunderstanding"?
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
December 15 2009 21:20 GMT
#37
At this stage Mamon is almost in^^
God knows he deserves it with all those games. hehe:D
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 15 2009 21:22 GMT
#38
this means Naugrim is in yes?
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 15 2009 21:24 GMT
#39
On December 16 2009 06:19 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2009 06:08 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 16 2009 05:46 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
No actions againts Castros non TSL account play vs TSL account players (happened after castro already played TSL games)? Namely castro vs Kr.

So this means you can play TSL3 (if happens) games with your other known iccup account against TSL players while already played TSL ladder games?

On December 16 2009 05:45 John49ers wrote:
On December 16 2009 05:40 AstraBoy wrote:
good
and you can also check this : http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290755/1x1.html

castro vs achi_juachi, in the last minutes of tsl ladder xd


uh oh. Well I hope Lz makes it. TSL staff has been awesome.

Didn't they say the 1st thing was a misunderstanding? and you would think that they looked into those games as well esp. considering all of the abuse they have tracked down.


For example, If you would be that player who is 30 points away from (or 1 win away) qualifying round 1 qualifier (or first player to not qualify). Now would you accept this "misunderstanding"?

Sorry, I am not trying to defend anyone or even put in an opinion about what should happen, I was just saying that I read before that it was considered a misunderstanding of the rules and that in my opinion the inquisition seems to have been thorough.
Re-Play-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Dominican Republic825 Posts
December 15 2009 21:35 GMT
#40
On December 16 2009 05:48 MorroW[MB] wrote:
ive lost my respect for rox clan, used to be my favorite top clan (


indeed
P1: Best rank? P2:1st time iccup, P1:really? P1 looks at the account of P2 WOW B+ last season ^^
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